Honda Accord Hybrid
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Re: Honda Accord Hybrid
Alan Browne wrote:
> John Horner wrote:
>
>> IMO the Accord Hybrid is a dumb marketing/engineering move. The
>> standard V-6 Accord already has more power than any reasonable North
>> American driver needs. Why add a hybrid boost on top of that?
>>
>> An ~2.0l four cylinder hybrid Accord would make much more sense for
>> fuel economy.
>
>
> I agree completely and I've posted on the subject (and the "cons"
> reflect that.
>
> I don't see hybrid "boost" as a performance item but as reuse of
> deceleration. Period.
>
> Part of the problem, I suspect, is how well would the 2 litre engine
> behave with two cylinders shut down?
>
> Cheers,
> Alan
With a small 4 cylinder motor you don't need cylinder deactivation.
Cylinder deactivation only seems to provide a minimal fuel economy boost
and is mostly be used on V-8s and V-12s (MBZ).
John
> John Horner wrote:
>
>> IMO the Accord Hybrid is a dumb marketing/engineering move. The
>> standard V-6 Accord already has more power than any reasonable North
>> American driver needs. Why add a hybrid boost on top of that?
>>
>> An ~2.0l four cylinder hybrid Accord would make much more sense for
>> fuel economy.
>
>
> I agree completely and I've posted on the subject (and the "cons"
> reflect that.
>
> I don't see hybrid "boost" as a performance item but as reuse of
> deceleration. Period.
>
> Part of the problem, I suspect, is how well would the 2 litre engine
> behave with two cylinders shut down?
>
> Cheers,
> Alan
With a small 4 cylinder motor you don't need cylinder deactivation.
Cylinder deactivation only seems to provide a minimal fuel economy boost
and is mostly be used on V-8s and V-12s (MBZ).
John
#17
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Re: Honda Accord Hybrid
I posted this elsewhere and it is appopriate here. I like the Accord
Hybrid Navi and had a Civic Hybrid before. If you were raised in the
muscle car era, the Accord Hybrid ROCKS!
I have already said:
>I have had an 03 Civic Hybrid and now have an 05' Accord Hybrid. If I
>had to have one or the other, in today's market and gas prices, I
>still choose the Accord. It is my trip vehicle and the 03 Civic did
>not cut it. Wandered, under powered (Do NOT get the CVT Civic if you
>pull out onto busy 50 mph two lane roads, regularly), and
>uncomfortable, even with the Leather interior (aftermarket) upgrade I
>had on it.
>
>Yes, I like power and my first new car was a V8 back in the day -
>'70s. The Accord Hybrid (as is true of ALL current Hybrids) will NOT
>save you money over the life of ownership, fact - read any study. The
>premium cost is too high to be made up by gas savings. Heaven help
>you should need something unique fixed. (The AC radiator/condensor is
>$750) So, why own it.
>
>It is the fastest production Honda Accord with 15 hp ('05) more than
>the non-hybrid V6. The Hybrid gets 29 mpg in town (and I do get about
>that) and I get 34.5 mpg at 80 mph average highway and the rated 37
>mpg if I average 60 - 65 mph. The non-hybrid 05 V6 comparably
>equipped, actually gets 18-22 city and 27- 32 highway.
>
>So, I ride in luxury (the Accord starts with everything and adds
>hybrid), get the best mileage of any vehicle with comparable size and
>performance, can comfortably transport 5 and have LOCKOUT-ABLE trunk
>storage (the Prius has no secure storage when you leave it for service
>or leave valuables in the "trunk").
>
>I work around and build military hybrids and chose to own one, just to
>say that I do. Status - which is the only reason to own one - today.
>That will not be the case in 5 to 10 years.
>
>BTW: Yes, I am hunting for some lightning bolt symbol magnets to put
>on the side to flaunt that it is a hybrid,
>
>Honda did just fine, by me. (except for the lack of a spare, which I
>have solved - after market.)
>
CC
On Tue, 23 May 2006 09:02:19 GMT, John Horner <jthorner@yahoo.com>
wrote:
>IMO the Accord Hybrid is a dumb marketing/engineering move. The
>standard V-6 Accord already has more power than any reasonable North
>American driver needs. Why add a hybrid boost on top of that?
>
>An ~2.0l four cylinder hybrid Accord would make much more sense for fuel
>economy.
>
>John
Hybrid Navi and had a Civic Hybrid before. If you were raised in the
muscle car era, the Accord Hybrid ROCKS!
I have already said:
>I have had an 03 Civic Hybrid and now have an 05' Accord Hybrid. If I
>had to have one or the other, in today's market and gas prices, I
>still choose the Accord. It is my trip vehicle and the 03 Civic did
>not cut it. Wandered, under powered (Do NOT get the CVT Civic if you
>pull out onto busy 50 mph two lane roads, regularly), and
>uncomfortable, even with the Leather interior (aftermarket) upgrade I
>had on it.
>
>Yes, I like power and my first new car was a V8 back in the day -
>'70s. The Accord Hybrid (as is true of ALL current Hybrids) will NOT
>save you money over the life of ownership, fact - read any study. The
>premium cost is too high to be made up by gas savings. Heaven help
>you should need something unique fixed. (The AC radiator/condensor is
>$750) So, why own it.
>
>It is the fastest production Honda Accord with 15 hp ('05) more than
>the non-hybrid V6. The Hybrid gets 29 mpg in town (and I do get about
>that) and I get 34.5 mpg at 80 mph average highway and the rated 37
>mpg if I average 60 - 65 mph. The non-hybrid 05 V6 comparably
>equipped, actually gets 18-22 city and 27- 32 highway.
>
>So, I ride in luxury (the Accord starts with everything and adds
>hybrid), get the best mileage of any vehicle with comparable size and
>performance, can comfortably transport 5 and have LOCKOUT-ABLE trunk
>storage (the Prius has no secure storage when you leave it for service
>or leave valuables in the "trunk").
>
>I work around and build military hybrids and chose to own one, just to
>say that I do. Status - which is the only reason to own one - today.
>That will not be the case in 5 to 10 years.
>
>BTW: Yes, I am hunting for some lightning bolt symbol magnets to put
>on the side to flaunt that it is a hybrid,
>
>Honda did just fine, by me. (except for the lack of a spare, which I
>have solved - after market.)
>
CC
On Tue, 23 May 2006 09:02:19 GMT, John Horner <jthorner@yahoo.com>
wrote:
>IMO the Accord Hybrid is a dumb marketing/engineering move. The
>standard V-6 Accord already has more power than any reasonable North
>American driver needs. Why add a hybrid boost on top of that?
>
>An ~2.0l four cylinder hybrid Accord would make much more sense for fuel
>economy.
>
>John
#18
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Re: Honda Accord Hybrid
I posted this elsewhere and it is appopriate here. I like the Accord
Hybrid Navi and had a Civic Hybrid before. If you were raised in the
muscle car era, the Accord Hybrid ROCKS!
I have already said:
>I have had an 03 Civic Hybrid and now have an 05' Accord Hybrid. If I
>had to have one or the other, in today's market and gas prices, I
>still choose the Accord. It is my trip vehicle and the 03 Civic did
>not cut it. Wandered, under powered (Do NOT get the CVT Civic if you
>pull out onto busy 50 mph two lane roads, regularly), and
>uncomfortable, even with the Leather interior (aftermarket) upgrade I
>had on it.
>
>Yes, I like power and my first new car was a V8 back in the day -
>'70s. The Accord Hybrid (as is true of ALL current Hybrids) will NOT
>save you money over the life of ownership, fact - read any study. The
>premium cost is too high to be made up by gas savings. Heaven help
>you should need something unique fixed. (The AC radiator/condensor is
>$750) So, why own it.
>
>It is the fastest production Honda Accord with 15 hp ('05) more than
>the non-hybrid V6. The Hybrid gets 29 mpg in town (and I do get about
>that) and I get 34.5 mpg at 80 mph average highway and the rated 37
>mpg if I average 60 - 65 mph. The non-hybrid 05 V6 comparably
>equipped, actually gets 18-22 city and 27- 32 highway.
>
>So, I ride in luxury (the Accord starts with everything and adds
>hybrid), get the best mileage of any vehicle with comparable size and
>performance, can comfortably transport 5 and have LOCKOUT-ABLE trunk
>storage (the Prius has no secure storage when you leave it for service
>or leave valuables in the "trunk").
>
>I work around and build military hybrids and chose to own one, just to
>say that I do. Status - which is the only reason to own one - today.
>That will not be the case in 5 to 10 years.
>
>BTW: Yes, I am hunting for some lightning bolt symbol magnets to put
>on the side to flaunt that it is a hybrid,
>
>Honda did just fine, by me. (except for the lack of a spare, which I
>have solved - after market.)
>
CC
On Tue, 23 May 2006 09:02:19 GMT, John Horner <jthorner@yahoo.com>
wrote:
>IMO the Accord Hybrid is a dumb marketing/engineering move. The
>standard V-6 Accord already has more power than any reasonable North
>American driver needs. Why add a hybrid boost on top of that?
>
>An ~2.0l four cylinder hybrid Accord would make much more sense for fuel
>economy.
>
>John
Hybrid Navi and had a Civic Hybrid before. If you were raised in the
muscle car era, the Accord Hybrid ROCKS!
I have already said:
>I have had an 03 Civic Hybrid and now have an 05' Accord Hybrid. If I
>had to have one or the other, in today's market and gas prices, I
>still choose the Accord. It is my trip vehicle and the 03 Civic did
>not cut it. Wandered, under powered (Do NOT get the CVT Civic if you
>pull out onto busy 50 mph two lane roads, regularly), and
>uncomfortable, even with the Leather interior (aftermarket) upgrade I
>had on it.
>
>Yes, I like power and my first new car was a V8 back in the day -
>'70s. The Accord Hybrid (as is true of ALL current Hybrids) will NOT
>save you money over the life of ownership, fact - read any study. The
>premium cost is too high to be made up by gas savings. Heaven help
>you should need something unique fixed. (The AC radiator/condensor is
>$750) So, why own it.
>
>It is the fastest production Honda Accord with 15 hp ('05) more than
>the non-hybrid V6. The Hybrid gets 29 mpg in town (and I do get about
>that) and I get 34.5 mpg at 80 mph average highway and the rated 37
>mpg if I average 60 - 65 mph. The non-hybrid 05 V6 comparably
>equipped, actually gets 18-22 city and 27- 32 highway.
>
>So, I ride in luxury (the Accord starts with everything and adds
>hybrid), get the best mileage of any vehicle with comparable size and
>performance, can comfortably transport 5 and have LOCKOUT-ABLE trunk
>storage (the Prius has no secure storage when you leave it for service
>or leave valuables in the "trunk").
>
>I work around and build military hybrids and chose to own one, just to
>say that I do. Status - which is the only reason to own one - today.
>That will not be the case in 5 to 10 years.
>
>BTW: Yes, I am hunting for some lightning bolt symbol magnets to put
>on the side to flaunt that it is a hybrid,
>
>Honda did just fine, by me. (except for the lack of a spare, which I
>have solved - after market.)
>
CC
On Tue, 23 May 2006 09:02:19 GMT, John Horner <jthorner@yahoo.com>
wrote:
>IMO the Accord Hybrid is a dumb marketing/engineering move. The
>standard V-6 Accord already has more power than any reasonable North
>American driver needs. Why add a hybrid boost on top of that?
>
>An ~2.0l four cylinder hybrid Accord would make much more sense for fuel
>economy.
>
>John
#19
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Re: Honda Accord Hybrid
I posted this elsewhere and it is appopriate here. I like the Accord
Hybrid Navi and had a Civic Hybrid before. If you were raised in the
muscle car era, the Accord Hybrid ROCKS!
I have already said:
>I have had an 03 Civic Hybrid and now have an 05' Accord Hybrid. If I
>had to have one or the other, in today's market and gas prices, I
>still choose the Accord. It is my trip vehicle and the 03 Civic did
>not cut it. Wandered, under powered (Do NOT get the CVT Civic if you
>pull out onto busy 50 mph two lane roads, regularly), and
>uncomfortable, even with the Leather interior (aftermarket) upgrade I
>had on it.
>
>Yes, I like power and my first new car was a V8 back in the day -
>'70s. The Accord Hybrid (as is true of ALL current Hybrids) will NOT
>save you money over the life of ownership, fact - read any study. The
>premium cost is too high to be made up by gas savings. Heaven help
>you should need something unique fixed. (The AC radiator/condensor is
>$750) So, why own it.
>
>It is the fastest production Honda Accord with 15 hp ('05) more than
>the non-hybrid V6. The Hybrid gets 29 mpg in town (and I do get about
>that) and I get 34.5 mpg at 80 mph average highway and the rated 37
>mpg if I average 60 - 65 mph. The non-hybrid 05 V6 comparably
>equipped, actually gets 18-22 city and 27- 32 highway.
>
>So, I ride in luxury (the Accord starts with everything and adds
>hybrid), get the best mileage of any vehicle with comparable size and
>performance, can comfortably transport 5 and have LOCKOUT-ABLE trunk
>storage (the Prius has no secure storage when you leave it for service
>or leave valuables in the "trunk").
>
>I work around and build military hybrids and chose to own one, just to
>say that I do. Status - which is the only reason to own one - today.
>That will not be the case in 5 to 10 years.
>
>BTW: Yes, I am hunting for some lightning bolt symbol magnets to put
>on the side to flaunt that it is a hybrid,
>
>Honda did just fine, by me. (except for the lack of a spare, which I
>have solved - after market.)
>
CC
On Tue, 23 May 2006 09:02:19 GMT, John Horner <jthorner@yahoo.com>
wrote:
>IMO the Accord Hybrid is a dumb marketing/engineering move. The
>standard V-6 Accord already has more power than any reasonable North
>American driver needs. Why add a hybrid boost on top of that?
>
>An ~2.0l four cylinder hybrid Accord would make much more sense for fuel
>economy.
>
>John
Hybrid Navi and had a Civic Hybrid before. If you were raised in the
muscle car era, the Accord Hybrid ROCKS!
I have already said:
>I have had an 03 Civic Hybrid and now have an 05' Accord Hybrid. If I
>had to have one or the other, in today's market and gas prices, I
>still choose the Accord. It is my trip vehicle and the 03 Civic did
>not cut it. Wandered, under powered (Do NOT get the CVT Civic if you
>pull out onto busy 50 mph two lane roads, regularly), and
>uncomfortable, even with the Leather interior (aftermarket) upgrade I
>had on it.
>
>Yes, I like power and my first new car was a V8 back in the day -
>'70s. The Accord Hybrid (as is true of ALL current Hybrids) will NOT
>save you money over the life of ownership, fact - read any study. The
>premium cost is too high to be made up by gas savings. Heaven help
>you should need something unique fixed. (The AC radiator/condensor is
>$750) So, why own it.
>
>It is the fastest production Honda Accord with 15 hp ('05) more than
>the non-hybrid V6. The Hybrid gets 29 mpg in town (and I do get about
>that) and I get 34.5 mpg at 80 mph average highway and the rated 37
>mpg if I average 60 - 65 mph. The non-hybrid 05 V6 comparably
>equipped, actually gets 18-22 city and 27- 32 highway.
>
>So, I ride in luxury (the Accord starts with everything and adds
>hybrid), get the best mileage of any vehicle with comparable size and
>performance, can comfortably transport 5 and have LOCKOUT-ABLE trunk
>storage (the Prius has no secure storage when you leave it for service
>or leave valuables in the "trunk").
>
>I work around and build military hybrids and chose to own one, just to
>say that I do. Status - which is the only reason to own one - today.
>That will not be the case in 5 to 10 years.
>
>BTW: Yes, I am hunting for some lightning bolt symbol magnets to put
>on the side to flaunt that it is a hybrid,
>
>Honda did just fine, by me. (except for the lack of a spare, which I
>have solved - after market.)
>
CC
On Tue, 23 May 2006 09:02:19 GMT, John Horner <jthorner@yahoo.com>
wrote:
>IMO the Accord Hybrid is a dumb marketing/engineering move. The
>standard V-6 Accord already has more power than any reasonable North
>American driver needs. Why add a hybrid boost on top of that?
>
>An ~2.0l four cylinder hybrid Accord would make much more sense for fuel
>economy.
>
>John
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