abando@gmail.com

Hi All...I purchased a new 2006 honda civic sedan and after driving
like 50 odd miles the emission malfunction indicator came on and stayed
on. I also experienced my vehicle stalling and returned it to the
dealer for repairs....can anybody tell me if this is normal? Can I ask
the dealer to give me a brand new piece instead of carrying out repairs
on this vehicle?

TeGGeR®

abando@gmail.com wrote in
news:1144123600.182476.166770@t31g2000cwb.googlegr oups.com:

> Hi All...I purchased a new 2006 honda civic sedan and after driving
> like 50 odd miles the emission malfunction indicator came on and stayed
> on. I also experienced my vehicle stalling and returned it to the
> dealer for repairs....can anybody tell me if this is normal? Can I ask
> the dealer to give me a brand new piece instead of carrying out repairs
> on this vehicle?
>
>



No it's NOT "normal".

As far as you're concerned, most MIL illuminations will be covered under
the Federally-mandated 8-year, 80K-mile emissions warranty.

Let the dealer sort this out before you go ballistic on them. Emissions
controls are so unbelivably restrictive these days that it doesn't take
much to them up. And the dealers are the ones that have to handle it
for Honda, much to their frustration.

You won't get very far demanding a new car at this point. All you'll do is
**** them off and they will be less likely to cooperate with you later.
Give them time and keep bringing it back as necessary. Document EVERYTHING,
including every word that passes between you and the dealer's employees...
just in case you do eventually have to ask for a replacement car.

Ne nice. Don't give them any reason to hate you. They're doing their best
and will resent any indication that they're not, just like you would under
the same circumstances.

--
TeGGeR®

The Unofficial Honda/Acura FAQ
www.tegger.com/hondafaq/

TeGGeR®

abando@gmail.com wrote in
news:1144123600.182476.166770@t31g2000cwb.googlegr oups.com:

> Hi All...I purchased a new 2006 honda civic sedan and after driving
> like 50 odd miles the emission malfunction indicator came on and stayed
> on. I also experienced my vehicle stalling and returned it to the
> dealer for repairs....can anybody tell me if this is normal? Can I ask
> the dealer to give me a brand new piece instead of carrying out repairs
> on this vehicle?
>
>



No it's NOT "normal".

As far as you're concerned, most MIL illuminations will be covered under
the Federally-mandated 8-year, 80K-mile emissions warranty.

Let the dealer sort this out before you go ballistic on them. Emissions
controls are so unbelivably restrictive these days that it doesn't take
much to them up. And the dealers are the ones that have to handle it
for Honda, much to their frustration.

You won't get very far demanding a new car at this point. All you'll do is
**** them off and they will be less likely to cooperate with you later.
Give them time and keep bringing it back as necessary. Document EVERYTHING,
including every word that passes between you and the dealer's employees...
just in case you do eventually have to ask for a replacement car.

Ne nice. Don't give them any reason to hate you. They're doing their best
and will resent any indication that they're not, just like you would under
the same circumstances.

--
TeGGeR®

The Unofficial Honda/Acura FAQ
www.tegger.com/hondafaq/

Art

Probably some loose hose or wire under the hood. Those things happen.


<abando@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1144123600.182476.166770@t31g2000cwb.googlegr oups.com...
> Hi All...I purchased a new 2006 honda civic sedan and after driving
> like 50 odd miles the emission malfunction indicator came on and stayed
> on. I also experienced my vehicle stalling and returned it to the
> dealer for repairs....can anybody tell me if this is normal? Can I ask
> the dealer to give me a brand new piece instead of carrying out repairs
> on this vehicle?
>

Art

Probably some loose hose or wire under the hood. Those things happen.


<abando@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1144123600.182476.166770@t31g2000cwb.googlegr oups.com...
> Hi All...I purchased a new 2006 honda civic sedan and after driving
> like 50 odd miles the emission malfunction indicator came on and stayed
> on. I also experienced my vehicle stalling and returned it to the
> dealer for repairs....can anybody tell me if this is normal? Can I ask
> the dealer to give me a brand new piece instead of carrying out repairs
> on this vehicle?
>

Stewart DIBBS

<abando@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1144123600.182476.166770@t31g2000cwb.googlegr oups.com...
> new ... 50 odd miles the emission malfunction indicator came on and stayed
> on....Can I ask the dealer to give me a brand new piece

No, you can't, at least not yet. You have to realize that new cars are NOT
guaranteed to be trouble free, and that's why there's a Warranty, and
dealers to fix the problems.

Buyer's have occasionally menaged to get new cars, but there has to be a
major manufacturing fault that cannot be resolved any other way. For
example, GMH (Australia) some 18 years ago had a set of about 5 Commodores
that had a portion of the rear cabin structure not welded across a 20" seam,
due to a welding robot glitch. These could have been welded by hand, but GMH
pulled all the cars and replaced them.

Other manufacturers (including Honda) have replaced complete engines and/or
transmissions when necessary.

Stewart DIBBS

Stewart DIBBS

<abando@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1144123600.182476.166770@t31g2000cwb.googlegr oups.com...
> new ... 50 odd miles the emission malfunction indicator came on and stayed
> on....Can I ask the dealer to give me a brand new piece

No, you can't, at least not yet. You have to realize that new cars are NOT
guaranteed to be trouble free, and that's why there's a Warranty, and
dealers to fix the problems.

Buyer's have occasionally menaged to get new cars, but there has to be a
major manufacturing fault that cannot be resolved any other way. For
example, GMH (Australia) some 18 years ago had a set of about 5 Commodores
that had a portion of the rear cabin structure not welded across a 20" seam,
due to a welding robot glitch. These could have been welded by hand, but GMH
pulled all the cars and replaced them.

Other manufacturers (including Honda) have replaced complete engines and/or
transmissions when necessary.

Stewart DIBBS

chip

On 4 Apr 2006 08:28:21 GMT, "TeGGeR®" <tegger@tegger.c0m> wrote:

>abando@gmail.com wrote in
>news:1144123600.182476.166770@t31g2000cwb.googleg roups.com:
>
>> Hi All...I purchased a new 2006 honda civic sedan and after driving
>> like 50 odd miles the emission malfunction indicator came on and stayed
>> on. I also experienced my vehicle stalling and returned it to the
>> dealer for repairs....can anybody tell me if this is normal? Can I ask
>> the dealer to give me a brand new piece instead of carrying out repairs
>> on this vehicle?
>>
>>
>
>
>
>No it's NOT "normal".
>
>As far as you're concerned, most MIL illuminations will be covered under
>the Federally-mandated 8-year, 80K-mile emissions warranty.
>
>Let the dealer sort this out before you go ballistic on them. Emissions
>controls are so unbelivably restrictive these days that it doesn't take
>much to them up. And the dealers are the ones that have to handle it
>for Honda, much to their frustration.
>
>You won't get very far demanding a new car at this point. All you'll do is
>**** them off and they will be less likely to cooperate with you later.
>Give them time and keep bringing it back as necessary. Document EVERYTHING,
>including every word that passes between you and the dealer's employees...
>just in case you do eventually have to ask for a replacement car.
>
>Ne nice. Don't give them any reason to hate you. They're doing their best
>and will resent any indication that they're not, just like you would under
>the same circumstances.



the 8 80 only applies to catalytic converter and the PCM. everything
else is standard warranty.

It could be as simple as a looses gas cap
Chip

chip

On 4 Apr 2006 08:28:21 GMT, "TeGGeR®" <tegger@tegger.c0m> wrote:

>abando@gmail.com wrote in
>news:1144123600.182476.166770@t31g2000cwb.googleg roups.com:
>
>> Hi All...I purchased a new 2006 honda civic sedan and after driving
>> like 50 odd miles the emission malfunction indicator came on and stayed
>> on. I also experienced my vehicle stalling and returned it to the
>> dealer for repairs....can anybody tell me if this is normal? Can I ask
>> the dealer to give me a brand new piece instead of carrying out repairs
>> on this vehicle?
>>
>>
>
>
>
>No it's NOT "normal".
>
>As far as you're concerned, most MIL illuminations will be covered under
>the Federally-mandated 8-year, 80K-mile emissions warranty.
>
>Let the dealer sort this out before you go ballistic on them. Emissions
>controls are so unbelivably restrictive these days that it doesn't take
>much to them up. And the dealers are the ones that have to handle it
>for Honda, much to their frustration.
>
>You won't get very far demanding a new car at this point. All you'll do is
>**** them off and they will be less likely to cooperate with you later.
>Give them time and keep bringing it back as necessary. Document EVERYTHING,
>including every word that passes between you and the dealer's employees...
>just in case you do eventually have to ask for a replacement car.
>
>Ne nice. Don't give them any reason to hate you. They're doing their best
>and will resent any indication that they're not, just like you would under
>the same circumstances.



the 8 80 only applies to catalytic converter and the PCM. everything
else is standard warranty.

It could be as simple as a looses gas cap
Chip

TeGGeR®

chip <hs4797@brevard.net> wrote in
news:3k09325gld0839jhhgvgt6a86239kvurtu@4ax.com:


>
>
>
> the 8 80 only applies to catalytic converter and the PCM. everything
> else is standard warranty.



Yep, you're right. The EPA's own Web site, says "specified major emission
control components" are warranted for 8/80 after 1995. The others are 2/24,
or even less if the manufacturer states that there is a more frequent
replacement period.

http://www.epa.gov/obd/warranties.htm

The EPA defines these three parts as "major":
* Catalytic converters.
* The electronic emissions control unit or computer (ECU).
* The onboard emissions diagnostic device or computer (OBD).

It looks like any related sensors, including the oxygen sensors, are NOT
considered "major", so would be 2/24 unless Honda specifies a more frequent
replacement interval.

Interestingly, the warranty in ANY case ONLY covers initial replacement,
not subsequent replacements.

I'm going to add this site and info to the FAQ.





>
> It could be as simple as a looses gas cap
>



Would a loose gas cap ALWAYS set a P1456, or would there be times it would
set a different code?



--
TeGGeR®

The Unofficial Honda/Acura FAQ
www.tegger.com/hondafaq/

TeGGeR®

chip <hs4797@brevard.net> wrote in
news:3k09325gld0839jhhgvgt6a86239kvurtu@4ax.com:


>
>
>
> the 8 80 only applies to catalytic converter and the PCM. everything
> else is standard warranty.



Yep, you're right. The EPA's own Web site, says "specified major emission
control components" are warranted for 8/80 after 1995. The others are 2/24,
or even less if the manufacturer states that there is a more frequent
replacement period.

http://www.epa.gov/obd/warranties.htm

The EPA defines these three parts as "major":
* Catalytic converters.
* The electronic emissions control unit or computer (ECU).
* The onboard emissions diagnostic device or computer (OBD).

It looks like any related sensors, including the oxygen sensors, are NOT
considered "major", so would be 2/24 unless Honda specifies a more frequent
replacement interval.

Interestingly, the warranty in ANY case ONLY covers initial replacement,
not subsequent replacements.

I'm going to add this site and info to the FAQ.





>
> It could be as simple as a looses gas cap
>



Would a loose gas cap ALWAYS set a P1456, or would there be times it would
set a different code?



--
TeGGeR®

The Unofficial Honda/Acura FAQ
www.tegger.com/hondafaq/

Art

Chrysler replaced a bunch of Plymouth Prowlers when they discovered a
supplier had not heated treated some suspension components properly. They
required significant disassembly.


"Stewart DIBBS" <sjd@pixcl.com> wrote in message
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>
> <abando@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:1144123600.182476.166770@t31g2000cwb.googlegr oups.com...
>> new ... 50 odd miles the emission malfunction indicator came on and
>> stayed
>> on....Can I ask the dealer to give me a brand new piece
>
> No, you can't, at least not yet. You have to realize that new cars are NOT
> guaranteed to be trouble free, and that's why there's a Warranty, and
> dealers to fix the problems.
>
> Buyer's have occasionally menaged to get new cars, but there has to be a
> major manufacturing fault that cannot be resolved any other way. For
> example, GMH (Australia) some 18 years ago had a set of about 5 Commodores
> that had a portion of the rear cabin structure not welded across a 20"
> seam, due to a welding robot glitch. These could have been welded by hand,
> but GMH pulled all the cars and replaced them.
>
> Other manufacturers (including Honda) have replaced complete engines
> and/or transmissions when necessary.
>
> Stewart DIBBS
>

Art

Chrysler replaced a bunch of Plymouth Prowlers when they discovered a
supplier had not heated treated some suspension components properly. They
required significant disassembly.


"Stewart DIBBS" <sjd@pixcl.com> wrote in message
news:I_adnSNX55XUzanZRVn-tw@magma.ca...
>
> <abando@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:1144123600.182476.166770@t31g2000cwb.googlegr oups.com...
>> new ... 50 odd miles the emission malfunction indicator came on and
>> stayed
>> on....Can I ask the dealer to give me a brand new piece
>
> No, you can't, at least not yet. You have to realize that new cars are NOT
> guaranteed to be trouble free, and that's why there's a Warranty, and
> dealers to fix the problems.
>
> Buyer's have occasionally menaged to get new cars, but there has to be a
> major manufacturing fault that cannot be resolved any other way. For
> example, GMH (Australia) some 18 years ago had a set of about 5 Commodores
> that had a portion of the rear cabin structure not welded across a 20"
> seam, due to a welding robot glitch. These could have been welded by hand,
> but GMH pulled all the cars and replaced them.
>
> Other manufacturers (including Honda) have replaced complete engines
> and/or transmissions when necessary.
>
> Stewart DIBBS
>