Re: Honda Fit Mileage?
 

JXStern wrote:
> On Mon, 23 Jul 2007 23:34:00 GMT, Josh S <Josh@clean.spam> wrote:
>
>
>>>Not heavy on accelleration or speed, pretty conserative driver here.
>>>70-80 on freeway (this is California, if yu don't keep up, you get
>>>creamed).
>>
>>That's far to fast for good hwy mileage.
>>Mileage falls off very rapidly over 60 mph, particularly with boxy
>>shaped vehicles.
>>My well shaped mid sized car's mileage drops 10% going from 60mph to
>>70mph.
>>I would expect a greater than 10% mileage drop with a smaller engine and
>>a boxy rear design vehicle.
>
>
> Mebbe. My 2004 Accord got the same mileage anywhere between 55 and
> 80, far as I could tell. And my 2007 gets the same, too, just lower.
> But the Fit does end rather abruptly.
>
> J.
>

Once again, it's the Fit's gearing. Our Camry sedan (with
automatic!) will get close to 40 mpg highway at 65-70 on level ground,
but it's loafing along at about 2600 RPM. It's also got a nice, smooth
shape.

Re: Honda Fit Mileage?
 

mjc13<REMOVETHIS> wrote:
> JXStern wrote:
>> On Mon, 23 Jul 2007 23:34:00 GMT, Josh S <Josh@clean.spam> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>> Not heavy on accelleration or speed, pretty conserative driver here.
>>>> 70-80 on freeway (this is California, if yu don't keep up, you get
>>>> creamed).
>>>
>>> That's far to fast for good hwy mileage.
>>> Mileage falls off very rapidly over 60 mph, particularly with boxy
>>> shaped vehicles.
>>> My well shaped mid sized car's mileage drops 10% going from 60mph to
>>> 70mph.
>>> I would expect a greater than 10% mileage drop with a smaller engine
>>> and a boxy rear design vehicle.
>>
>>
>> Mebbe. My 2004 Accord got the same mileage anywhere between 55 and
>> 80, far as I could tell. And my 2007 gets the same, too, just lower.
>> But the Fit does end rather abruptly.
>>
>> J.
>>
>
> Once again, it's the Fit's gearing. Our Camry sedan (with automatic!)
> will get close to 40 mpg highway at 65-70 on level ground, but it's
> loafing along at about 2600 RPM. It's also got a nice, smooth shape.

dude /WHAT/ is it with you and gearing??? it's not the gearing, it's
the overall equation of the motor's characteristics, the car's
characteristics, and how those two match up. simply reducing revs does
/not/ automatically reduce gas consumption - it can increase it
significantly if it's a mis-match.

Re: Honda Fit Mileage?
 

mjc13<REMOVETHIS> wrote:
> JXStern wrote:
>> On Mon, 23 Jul 2007 23:34:00 GMT, Josh S <Josh@clean.spam> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>> Not heavy on accelleration or speed, pretty conserative driver here.
>>>> 70-80 on freeway (this is California, if yu don't keep up, you get
>>>> creamed).
>>>
>>> That's far to fast for good hwy mileage.
>>> Mileage falls off very rapidly over 60 mph, particularly with boxy
>>> shaped vehicles.
>>> My well shaped mid sized car's mileage drops 10% going from 60mph to
>>> 70mph.
>>> I would expect a greater than 10% mileage drop with a smaller engine
>>> and a boxy rear design vehicle.
>>
>>
>> Mebbe. My 2004 Accord got the same mileage anywhere between 55 and
>> 80, far as I could tell. And my 2007 gets the same, too, just lower.
>> But the Fit does end rather abruptly.
>>
>> J.
>>
>
> Once again, it's the Fit's gearing. Our Camry sedan (with automatic!)
> will get close to 40 mpg highway at 65-70 on level ground, but it's
> loafing along at about 2600 RPM. It's also got a nice, smooth shape.

dude /WHAT/ is it with you and gearing??? it's not the gearing, it's
the overall equation of the motor's characteristics, the car's
characteristics, and how those two match up. simply reducing revs does
/not/ automatically reduce gas consumption - it can increase it
significantly if it's a mis-match.

Re: Honda Fit Mileage?
 

mjc13<REMOVETHIS> wrote:
> JXStern wrote:
>> On Mon, 23 Jul 2007 23:34:00 GMT, Josh S <Josh@clean.spam> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>> Not heavy on accelleration or speed, pretty conserative driver here.
>>>> 70-80 on freeway (this is California, if yu don't keep up, you get
>>>> creamed).
>>>
>>> That's far to fast for good hwy mileage.
>>> Mileage falls off very rapidly over 60 mph, particularly with boxy
>>> shaped vehicles.
>>> My well shaped mid sized car's mileage drops 10% going from 60mph to
>>> 70mph.
>>> I would expect a greater than 10% mileage drop with a smaller engine
>>> and a boxy rear design vehicle.
>>
>>
>> Mebbe. My 2004 Accord got the same mileage anywhere between 55 and
>> 80, far as I could tell. And my 2007 gets the same, too, just lower.
>> But the Fit does end rather abruptly.
>>
>> J.
>>
>
> Once again, it's the Fit's gearing. Our Camry sedan (with automatic!)
> will get close to 40 mpg highway at 65-70 on level ground, but it's
> loafing along at about 2600 RPM. It's also got a nice, smooth shape.

dude /WHAT/ is it with you and gearing??? it's not the gearing, it's
the overall equation of the motor's characteristics, the car's
characteristics, and how those two match up. simply reducing revs does
/not/ automatically reduce gas consumption - it can increase it
significantly if it's a mis-match.

Re: Honda Fit Mileage?
 

"mjc13" wrote:

> TomP wrote:
> > All current model Honda's turn the A/C compressor off during spirited
> > acceleration. The Myth Busters proved that car's get better mileage with
> > the A/C on and windows closed.
>
> First, you can save even more gas by turning the A/C off during
> normal acceleration, not just "spirited." Second, the A/C uses more
> power than just the ventilation system, with the windows closed. I don't
> believe anyone mentioned driving with the windows open. If you leave the
> A/C on and the windows closed and think that's enough, you'll lose 2-5
> MPG. depending on driving conditions.

I filled my wife's Fit last week and she managed 22.5MPG. The best recorded
mileage is 25.00. last September. This is ALL in town, short trip driving.

It is what it is... Why have a car with A/C if you're not going to use it?
Personally, I run the A/C 365 days a year.

People that are fanatics about MPG, maybe should consider an Insight or Prius.




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Re: Honda Fit Mileage?
 

"mjc13" wrote:

> TomP wrote:
> > All current model Honda's turn the A/C compressor off during spirited
> > acceleration. The Myth Busters proved that car's get better mileage with
> > the A/C on and windows closed.
>
> First, you can save even more gas by turning the A/C off during
> normal acceleration, not just "spirited." Second, the A/C uses more
> power than just the ventilation system, with the windows closed. I don't
> believe anyone mentioned driving with the windows open. If you leave the
> A/C on and the windows closed and think that's enough, you'll lose 2-5
> MPG. depending on driving conditions.

I filled my wife's Fit last week and she managed 22.5MPG. The best recorded
mileage is 25.00. last September. This is ALL in town, short trip driving.

It is what it is... Why have a car with A/C if you're not going to use it?
Personally, I run the A/C 365 days a year.

People that are fanatics about MPG, maybe should consider an Insight or Prius.




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Re: Honda Fit Mileage?
 

"mjc13" wrote:

> TomP wrote:
> > All current model Honda's turn the A/C compressor off during spirited
> > acceleration. The Myth Busters proved that car's get better mileage with
> > the A/C on and windows closed.
>
> First, you can save even more gas by turning the A/C off during
> normal acceleration, not just "spirited." Second, the A/C uses more
> power than just the ventilation system, with the windows closed. I don't
> believe anyone mentioned driving with the windows open. If you leave the
> A/C on and the windows closed and think that's enough, you'll lose 2-5
> MPG. depending on driving conditions.

I filled my wife's Fit last week and she managed 22.5MPG. The best recorded
mileage is 25.00. last September. This is ALL in town, short trip driving.

It is what it is... Why have a car with A/C if you're not going to use it?
Personally, I run the A/C 365 days a year.

People that are fanatics about MPG, maybe should consider an Insight or Prius.




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Re: Honda Fit Mileage?
 

TomP wrote:
>
> "mjc13" wrote:
>
>> TomP wrote:
>>> All current model Honda's turn the A/C compressor off during spirited
>>> acceleration. The Myth Busters proved that car's get better mileage with
>>> the A/C on and windows closed.
>> First, you can save even more gas by turning the A/C off during
>> normal acceleration, not just "spirited." Second, the A/C uses more
>> power than just the ventilation system, with the windows closed. I don't
>> believe anyone mentioned driving with the windows open. If you leave the
>> A/C on and the windows closed and think that's enough, you'll lose 2-5
>> MPG. depending on driving conditions.
>
> I filled my wife's Fit last week and she managed 22.5MPG. The best recorded
> mileage is 25.00. last September. This is ALL in town, short trip driving.
>
> It is what it is... Why have a car with A/C if you're not going to use it?
> Personally, I run the A/C 365 days a year.
>
> People that are fanatics about MPG, maybe should consider an Insight or Prius.
>

or an old civic. mine will do 40+mpg on the freeway driven legally. or
better yet, a crx hf. that will do 50+.

Re: Honda Fit Mileage?
 

TomP wrote:
>
> "mjc13" wrote:
>
>> TomP wrote:
>>> All current model Honda's turn the A/C compressor off during spirited
>>> acceleration. The Myth Busters proved that car's get better mileage with
>>> the A/C on and windows closed.
>> First, you can save even more gas by turning the A/C off during
>> normal acceleration, not just "spirited." Second, the A/C uses more
>> power than just the ventilation system, with the windows closed. I don't
>> believe anyone mentioned driving with the windows open. If you leave the
>> A/C on and the windows closed and think that's enough, you'll lose 2-5
>> MPG. depending on driving conditions.
>
> I filled my wife's Fit last week and she managed 22.5MPG. The best recorded
> mileage is 25.00. last September. This is ALL in town, short trip driving.
>
> It is what it is... Why have a car with A/C if you're not going to use it?
> Personally, I run the A/C 365 days a year.
>
> People that are fanatics about MPG, maybe should consider an Insight or Prius.
>

or an old civic. mine will do 40+mpg on the freeway driven legally. or
better yet, a crx hf. that will do 50+.

Re: Honda Fit Mileage?
 

TomP wrote:
>
> "mjc13" wrote:
>
>> TomP wrote:
>>> All current model Honda's turn the A/C compressor off during spirited
>>> acceleration. The Myth Busters proved that car's get better mileage with
>>> the A/C on and windows closed.
>> First, you can save even more gas by turning the A/C off during
>> normal acceleration, not just "spirited." Second, the A/C uses more
>> power than just the ventilation system, with the windows closed. I don't
>> believe anyone mentioned driving with the windows open. If you leave the
>> A/C on and the windows closed and think that's enough, you'll lose 2-5
>> MPG. depending on driving conditions.
>
> I filled my wife's Fit last week and she managed 22.5MPG. The best recorded
> mileage is 25.00. last September. This is ALL in town, short trip driving.
>
> It is what it is... Why have a car with A/C if you're not going to use it?
> Personally, I run the A/C 365 days a year.
>
> People that are fanatics about MPG, maybe should consider an Insight or Prius.
>

or an old civic. mine will do 40+mpg on the freeway driven legally. or
better yet, a crx hf. that will do 50+.

Re: Honda Fit Mileage?
 

TomP wrote:
>
> "mjc13" wrote:
>
>
>>TomP wrote:
>>
>>>All current model Honda's turn the A/C compressor off during spirited
>>>acceleration. The Myth Busters proved that car's get better mileage with
>>>the A/C on and windows closed.
>>
>> First, you can save even more gas by turning the A/C off during
>>normal acceleration, not just "spirited." Second, the A/C uses more
>>power than just the ventilation system, with the windows closed. I don't
>>believe anyone mentioned driving with the windows open. If you leave the
>>A/C on and the windows closed and think that's enough, you'll lose 2-5
>>MPG. depending on driving conditions.
>
>
> I filled my wife's Fit last week and she managed 22.5MPG. The best recorded
> mileage is 25.00. last September. This is ALL in town, short trip driving.
>
> It is what it is... Why have a car with A/C if you're not going to use it?
> Personally, I run the A/C 365 days a year.
>
> People that are fanatics about MPG, maybe should consider an Insight or Prius.



I also never said not to run the A/C. Let me spell it out,
carefully: in city driving, press the A/C button when you're up to speed
or decellerating. Leave it on while stopped. Turn it off only to
accelerate. If that's too hard, then don't do it. We won't be waiting to
hear the next installment.



....

Re: Honda Fit Mileage?
 

TomP wrote:
>
> "mjc13" wrote:
>
>
>>TomP wrote:
>>
>>>All current model Honda's turn the A/C compressor off during spirited
>>>acceleration. The Myth Busters proved that car's get better mileage with
>>>the A/C on and windows closed.
>>
>> First, you can save even more gas by turning the A/C off during
>>normal acceleration, not just "spirited." Second, the A/C uses more
>>power than just the ventilation system, with the windows closed. I don't
>>believe anyone mentioned driving with the windows open. If you leave the
>>A/C on and the windows closed and think that's enough, you'll lose 2-5
>>MPG. depending on driving conditions.
>
>
> I filled my wife's Fit last week and she managed 22.5MPG. The best recorded
> mileage is 25.00. last September. This is ALL in town, short trip driving.
>
> It is what it is... Why have a car with A/C if you're not going to use it?
> Personally, I run the A/C 365 days a year.
>
> People that are fanatics about MPG, maybe should consider an Insight or Prius.



I also never said not to run the A/C. Let me spell it out,
carefully: in city driving, press the A/C button when you're up to speed
or decellerating. Leave it on while stopped. Turn it off only to
accelerate. If that's too hard, then don't do it. We won't be waiting to
hear the next installment.



....

Re: Honda Fit Mileage?
 

TomP wrote:
>
> "mjc13" wrote:
>
>
>>TomP wrote:
>>
>>>All current model Honda's turn the A/C compressor off during spirited
>>>acceleration. The Myth Busters proved that car's get better mileage with
>>>the A/C on and windows closed.
>>
>> First, you can save even more gas by turning the A/C off during
>>normal acceleration, not just "spirited." Second, the A/C uses more
>>power than just the ventilation system, with the windows closed. I don't
>>believe anyone mentioned driving with the windows open. If you leave the
>>A/C on and the windows closed and think that's enough, you'll lose 2-5
>>MPG. depending on driving conditions.
>
>
> I filled my wife's Fit last week and she managed 22.5MPG. The best recorded
> mileage is 25.00. last September. This is ALL in town, short trip driving.
>
> It is what it is... Why have a car with A/C if you're not going to use it?
> Personally, I run the A/C 365 days a year.
>
> People that are fanatics about MPG, maybe should consider an Insight or Prius.



I also never said not to run the A/C. Let me spell it out,
carefully: in city driving, press the A/C button when you're up to speed
or decellerating. Leave it on while stopped. Turn it off only to
accelerate. If that's too hard, then don't do it. We won't be waiting to
hear the next installment.



....

Re: Honda Fit Mileage?
 

"mjc13" wrote:

> Let me spell it out, carefully:

I promise to read carefully....

> in city driving, press the A/C button when you're up to speed
> or decellerating.

> Leave it on while stopped.

> Turn it off only to accelerate. If that's too hard, then don't do it. We won't be
> waiting to
> hear the next installment....

Your driving suggestion (above) is proof of your fanaticism. But it's your
right...

Just admit, you bought the wrong car, sell it and end the torture.

On the other hand you can probably sell it for what you paid, less tax, tags and the
stomach lining you've lost from worrying about the fuel economy.

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Re: Honda Fit Mileage?
 

"mjc13" wrote:

> Let me spell it out, carefully:

I promise to read carefully....

> in city driving, press the A/C button when you're up to speed
> or decellerating.

> Leave it on while stopped.

> Turn it off only to accelerate. If that's too hard, then don't do it. We won't be
> waiting to
> hear the next installment....

Your driving suggestion (above) is proof of your fanaticism. But it's your
right...

Just admit, you bought the wrong car, sell it and end the torture.

On the other hand you can probably sell it for what you paid, less tax, tags and the
stomach lining you've lost from worrying about the fuel economy.

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