Honda Fit, noisy
04-14-2007, 05:20 PM
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Re: Honda Fit, noisy
On Sat, 14 Apr 2007 14:46:46 -0400, Andrew Murray wrote:
> Hi. Just test drove the Fit. Really liked it, very peppy for small
> engine, but really noisy. Anybody know of good way to inulate passengers
> from engine noise, without overheating engine.
I use carpet padding under the carpeting. I usually do this on old cars,
since if there are any holes the padding will get wet. We don't want that
happeneing.
Or, you could get something like DynaMat. You have to remove the interior
and put it under the carpet and behind the door panels.
The thing would be as quiet as a Cadillac!
> Hi. Just test drove the Fit. Really liked it, very peppy for small
> engine, but really noisy. Anybody know of good way to inulate passengers
> from engine noise, without overheating engine.
I use carpet padding under the carpeting. I usually do this on old cars,
since if there are any holes the padding will get wet. We don't want that
happeneing.
Or, you could get something like DynaMat. You have to remove the interior
and put it under the carpet and behind the door panels.
The thing would be as quiet as a Cadillac!
04-15-2007, 03:18 AM
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Re: Honda Fit, noisy
| Anybody know of good way to inulate passengers from
| engine noise, without overheating engine.
1) fit a bigger muffler ; Lexus has a very big muffler
2) find ways to incr spark size (i) disable useless drain of current
e.g. bypass windows' motors relay, or diasble internal EGR's
valve & solenoid, (ii) use copper wires to conduct heat out of
transformer coils to get more amperes ; faster combustion
can really cut exhaust noise
| engine noise, without overheating engine.
1) fit a bigger muffler ; Lexus has a very big muffler
2) find ways to incr spark size (i) disable useless drain of current
e.g. bypass windows' motors relay, or diasble internal EGR's
valve & solenoid, (ii) use copper wires to conduct heat out of
transformer coils to get more amperes ; faster combustion
can really cut exhaust noise
04-16-2007, 12:17 AM
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Re: Honda Fit, noisy
On Apr 14, 2:20 pm, Hachiroku 繝上メ繝繧ｯ <Tru...@AE86.gts> wrote:
> On Sat, 14 Apr 2007 14:46:46 -0400, Andrew Murray wrote:
> > Hi. Just test drove the Fit. Really liked it, very peppy for small
> > engine, but really noisy. Anybody know of good way to inulate passengers
> > from engine noise, without overheating engine.
>
> I use carpet padding under the carpeting. I usually do this on old cars,
> since if there are any holes the padding will get wet. We don't want that
> happeneing.
>
> Or, you could get something like DynaMat. You have to remove the interior
> and put it under the carpet and behind the door panels.
>
> The thing would be as quiet as a Cadillac!
You wish.
In my experience sound deadeners work wonders for stopping rattles and
increasing bass tenfold but they don't do a dick
to decrease road noise. You get what you pay for.
If peace and quiet is high on the shopping list I suggest
to pay for a luxury or a near luxury car.
> On Sat, 14 Apr 2007 14:46:46 -0400, Andrew Murray wrote:
> > Hi. Just test drove the Fit. Really liked it, very peppy for small
> > engine, but really noisy. Anybody know of good way to inulate passengers
> > from engine noise, without overheating engine.
>
> I use carpet padding under the carpeting. I usually do this on old cars,
> since if there are any holes the padding will get wet. We don't want that
> happeneing.
>
> Or, you could get something like DynaMat. You have to remove the interior
> and put it under the carpet and behind the door panels.
>
> The thing would be as quiet as a Cadillac!
You wish.
In my experience sound deadeners work wonders for stopping rattles and
increasing bass tenfold but they don't do a dick
to decrease road noise. You get what you pay for.
If peace and quiet is high on the shopping list I suggest
to pay for a luxury or a near luxury car.
04-16-2007, 01:05 AM
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Re: Honda Fit, noisy
On Sun, 15 Apr 2007 21:17:12 -0700, isquat wrote:
> On Apr 14, 2:20 pm, Hachiroku 繝上メ繝繧ｯ <Tru...@AE86.gts> wrote:
>> On Sat, 14 Apr 2007 14:46:46 -0400, Andrew Murray wrote:
>> > Hi. Just test drove the Fit. Really liked it, very peppy for small
>> > engine, but really noisy. Anybody know of good way to inulate
>> > passengers from engine noise, without overheating engine.
>>
>> I use carpet padding under the carpeting. I usually do this on old cars,
>> since if there are any holes the padding will get wet. We don't want
>> that happeneing.
>>
>> Or, you could get something like DynaMat. You have to remove the
>> interior and put it under the carpet and behind the door panels.
>>
>> The thing would be as quiet as a Cadillac!
>
> You wish.
> In my experience sound deadeners work wonders for stopping rattles and
> increasing bass tenfold but they don't do a dick to decrease road noise.
> You get what you pay for. If peace and quiet is high on the shopping list
> I suggest to pay for a luxury or a near luxury car.
I put foam carpet padding in a Corolla and the quietness was
deafening.
> On Apr 14, 2:20 pm, Hachiroku 繝上メ繝繧ｯ <Tru...@AE86.gts> wrote:
>> On Sat, 14 Apr 2007 14:46:46 -0400, Andrew Murray wrote:
>> > Hi. Just test drove the Fit. Really liked it, very peppy for small
>> > engine, but really noisy. Anybody know of good way to inulate
>> > passengers from engine noise, without overheating engine.
>>
>> I use carpet padding under the carpeting. I usually do this on old cars,
>> since if there are any holes the padding will get wet. We don't want
>> that happeneing.
>>
>> Or, you could get something like DynaMat. You have to remove the
>> interior and put it under the carpet and behind the door panels.
>>
>> The thing would be as quiet as a Cadillac!
>
> You wish.
> In my experience sound deadeners work wonders for stopping rattles and
> increasing bass tenfold but they don't do a dick to decrease road noise.
> You get what you pay for. If peace and quiet is high on the shopping list
> I suggest to pay for a luxury or a near luxury car.
I put foam carpet padding in a Corolla and the quietness was
deafening.
04-16-2007, 02:40 AM
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Re: Honda Fit, noisy
On 15 Apr 2007 21:17:12 -0700, isquat@gmail.com wrote:
>If peace and quiet is high on the shopping list I suggest
>to pay for a luxury or a near luxury car.
Like an Accord or Camry.
My 07 is notably quieter than the 04, which was already quiet, and
generally the Camrys are quieter yet.
J.
>If peace and quiet is high on the shopping list I suggest
>to pay for a luxury or a near luxury car.
Like an Accord or Camry.
My 07 is notably quieter than the 04, which was already quiet, and
generally the Camrys are quieter yet.
J.
04-16-2007, 06:42 PM
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Re: Honda Fit, noisy
On Sun, 15 Apr 2007 15:18:18 +0800, "TE Chea" <4ws@gmail.com> wrote:
>| Anybody know of good way to inulate passengers from
>| engine noise, without overheating engine.
>
>1) fit a bigger muffler ; Lexus has a very big muffler
>2) find ways to incr spark size (i) disable useless drain of current
> e.g. bypass windows' motors relay, or diasble internal EGR's
> valve & solenoid, (ii) use copper wires to conduct heat out of
> transformer coils to get more amperes ; faster combustion
> can really cut exhaust noise
Chea, all you have to do to reduce the noise is to take those pills
that make the voices in your head go away.
>| Anybody know of good way to inulate passengers from
>| engine noise, without overheating engine.
>
>1) fit a bigger muffler ; Lexus has a very big muffler
>2) find ways to incr spark size (i) disable useless drain of current
> e.g. bypass windows' motors relay, or diasble internal EGR's
> valve & solenoid, (ii) use copper wires to conduct heat out of
> transformer coils to get more amperes ; faster combustion
> can really cut exhaust noise
Chea, all you have to do to reduce the noise is to take those pills
that make the voices in your head go away.
04-17-2007, 01:00 AM
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Re: Honda Fit, noisy
On Apr 15, 10:05 pm, Hachiroku 繝上メ繝繧ｯ <Tru...@AE86.gts> wrote:
> On Sun, 15 Apr 2007 21:17:12 -0700, isquat wrote:
> > On Apr 14, 2:20 pm, Hachiroku 繝上メ繝繧ｯ <Tru....@AE86.gts> wrote:
> >> On Sat, 14 Apr 2007 14:46:46 -0400, Andrew Murray wrote:
> >> > Hi. Just test drove the Fit. Really liked it, very peppy for small
> >> > engine, but really noisy. Anybody know of good way to inulate
> >> > passengers from engine noise, without overheating engine.
>
> >> I use carpet padding under the carpeting. I usually do this on old cars,
> >> since if there are any holes the padding will get wet. We don't want
> >> that happeneing.
>
> >> Or, you could get something like DynaMat. You have to remove the
> >> interior and put it under the carpet and behind the door panels.
>
> >> The thing would be as quiet as a Cadillac!
>
> > You wish.
> > In my experience sound deadeners work wonders for stopping rattles and
> > increasing bass tenfold but they don't do a dick to decrease road noise.
> > You get what you pay for. If peace and quiet is high on the shopping list
> > I suggest to pay for a luxury or a near luxury car.
>
> I put foam carpet padding in a Corolla and the quietness was
> deafening.
Okay, you managed to treat the window glass too???
I still don't understand how that would help with the ENGINE
noise the OP is drying to drown. You can treat the floor all you want
and I might even believe it would drown the cacophony of pebbles
on an unpaved section of a road but how would that help with the
ENGINE noise? To drown the engine noise there are two options:
1. Treat the firewall with prodigious amounts of sound deadeners
(including liquid ones because firewall is a bitch to get to
and a bunch of piping going back and forth thru it does not help)
2. Install a quieter engine (such as a six or an eight) and operate
it at half the potential at low rpm.
> On Sun, 15 Apr 2007 21:17:12 -0700, isquat wrote:
> > On Apr 14, 2:20 pm, Hachiroku 繝上メ繝繧ｯ <Tru....@AE86.gts> wrote:
> >> On Sat, 14 Apr 2007 14:46:46 -0400, Andrew Murray wrote:
> >> > Hi. Just test drove the Fit. Really liked it, very peppy for small
> >> > engine, but really noisy. Anybody know of good way to inulate
> >> > passengers from engine noise, without overheating engine.
>
> >> I use carpet padding under the carpeting. I usually do this on old cars,
> >> since if there are any holes the padding will get wet. We don't want
> >> that happeneing.
>
> >> Or, you could get something like DynaMat. You have to remove the
> >> interior and put it under the carpet and behind the door panels.
>
> >> The thing would be as quiet as a Cadillac!
>
> > You wish.
> > In my experience sound deadeners work wonders for stopping rattles and
> > increasing bass tenfold but they don't do a dick to decrease road noise.
> > You get what you pay for. If peace and quiet is high on the shopping list
> > I suggest to pay for a luxury or a near luxury car.
>
> I put foam carpet padding in a Corolla and the quietness was
> deafening.
Okay, you managed to treat the window glass too???
I still don't understand how that would help with the ENGINE
noise the OP is drying to drown. You can treat the floor all you want
and I might even believe it would drown the cacophony of pebbles
on an unpaved section of a road but how would that help with the
ENGINE noise? To drown the engine noise there are two options:
1. Treat the firewall with prodigious amounts of sound deadeners
(including liquid ones because firewall is a bitch to get to
and a bunch of piping going back and forth thru it does not help)
2. Install a quieter engine (such as a six or an eight) and operate
it at half the potential at low rpm.
04-17-2007, 03:43 PM
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Re: Honda Fit, noisy
On Mon, 16 Apr 2007 22:00:52 -0700, isquat wrote:
> On Apr 15, 10:05 pm, Hachiroku 繝上メ繝繧ｯ <Tru...@AE86.gts> wrote:
>> On Sun, 15 Apr 2007 21:17:12 -0700, isquat wrote:
>> > On Apr 14, 2:20 pm, Hachiroku 繝上メ繝繧ｯ <Tru...@AE86.gts> wrote:
>> >> On Sat, 14 Apr 2007 14:46:46 -0400, Andrew Murray wrote:
>> >> > Hi. Just test drove the Fit. Really liked it, very peppy for
>> >> > small engine, but really noisy. Anybody know of good way to
>> >> > inulate passengers from engine noise, without overheating engine.
>>
>> >> I use carpet padding under the carpeting. I usually do this on old
>> >> cars, since if there are any holes the padding will get wet. We don't
>> >> want that happeneing.
>>
>> >> Or, you could get something like DynaMat. You have to remove the
>> >> interior and put it under the carpet and behind the door panels.
>>
>> >> The thing would be as quiet as a Cadillac!
>>
>> > You wish.
>> > In my experience sound deadeners work wonders for stopping rattles and
>> > increasing bass tenfold but they don't do a dick to decrease road
>> > noise. You get what you pay for. If peace and quiet is high on the
>> > shopping list I suggest to pay for a luxury or a near luxury car.
>>
>> I put foam carpet padding in a Corolla and the quietness was deafening.
>
> Okay, you managed to treat the window glass too???
>
> I still don't understand how that would help with the ENGINE noise the OP
> is drying to drown. You can treat the floor all you want and I might even
> believe it would drown the cacophony of pebbles on an unpaved section of a
> road but how would that help with the ENGINE noise? To drown the engine
> noise there are two options: 1. Treat the firewall with prodigious amounts
> of sound deadeners (including liquid ones because firewall is a bitch to
> get to and a bunch of piping going back and forth thru it does not help)
> 2. Install a quieter engine (such as a six or an eight) and operate it at
> half the potential at low rpm.
Well, the overall level of noise in the car came down immediately.
What happened was, the car was stolen and gutted on the interior. When I
got it back the carpeting was still there, but the seats, console, etc
were all removed. I removed the lower part of the dash and the carpeting,
laid the carpeting out on the ground and cut the carpet padding in
patterns to match the carpet. This covered the entire floor panel from the
top of the firewall all the way to the back of the car ('85 Corolla Hatch).
I used 1/2" padding with a 'vapor barrier' on one side, and put the vapor
barrier towards the floor. The car was incredibly more quite then it had
ever been before. I was amazed. I had bought the car in '86, so it wasn't
like it was new to me. I did the rebuild in '91, so I was well familiar
with how loud the car was.
> On Apr 15, 10:05 pm, Hachiroku 繝上メ繝繧ｯ <Tru...@AE86.gts> wrote:
>> On Sun, 15 Apr 2007 21:17:12 -0700, isquat wrote:
>> > On Apr 14, 2:20 pm, Hachiroku 繝上メ繝繧ｯ <Tru...@AE86.gts> wrote:
>> >> On Sat, 14 Apr 2007 14:46:46 -0400, Andrew Murray wrote:
>> >> > Hi. Just test drove the Fit. Really liked it, very peppy for
>> >> > small engine, but really noisy. Anybody know of good way to
>> >> > inulate passengers from engine noise, without overheating engine.
>>
>> >> I use carpet padding under the carpeting. I usually do this on old
>> >> cars, since if there are any holes the padding will get wet. We don't
>> >> want that happeneing.
>>
>> >> Or, you could get something like DynaMat. You have to remove the
>> >> interior and put it under the carpet and behind the door panels.
>>
>> >> The thing would be as quiet as a Cadillac!
>>
>> > You wish.
>> > In my experience sound deadeners work wonders for stopping rattles and
>> > increasing bass tenfold but they don't do a dick to decrease road
>> > noise. You get what you pay for. If peace and quiet is high on the
>> > shopping list I suggest to pay for a luxury or a near luxury car.
>>
>> I put foam carpet padding in a Corolla and the quietness was deafening.
>
> Okay, you managed to treat the window glass too???
>
> I still don't understand how that would help with the ENGINE noise the OP
> is drying to drown. You can treat the floor all you want and I might even
> believe it would drown the cacophony of pebbles on an unpaved section of a
> road but how would that help with the ENGINE noise? To drown the engine
> noise there are two options: 1. Treat the firewall with prodigious amounts
> of sound deadeners (including liquid ones because firewall is a bitch to
> get to and a bunch of piping going back and forth thru it does not help)
> 2. Install a quieter engine (such as a six or an eight) and operate it at
> half the potential at low rpm.
Well, the overall level of noise in the car came down immediately.
What happened was, the car was stolen and gutted on the interior. When I
got it back the carpeting was still there, but the seats, console, etc
were all removed. I removed the lower part of the dash and the carpeting,
laid the carpeting out on the ground and cut the carpet padding in
patterns to match the carpet. This covered the entire floor panel from the
top of the firewall all the way to the back of the car ('85 Corolla Hatch).
I used 1/2" padding with a 'vapor barrier' on one side, and put the vapor
barrier towards the floor. The car was incredibly more quite then it had
ever been before. I was amazed. I had bought the car in '86, so it wasn't
like it was new to me. I did the rebuild in '91, so I was well familiar
with how loud the car was.
04-18-2007, 04:07 PM
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Re: Honda Fit, noisy
On Wed, 18 Apr 2007 15:08:50 +0000, John Horner wrote:
> Interior noise levels are one place where Honda doesn't do a great job.
>
> Professional undercoating helps quite a bit to reduce road noise and also
> damps the conduction of engine noise through the floorpan.
But can also lead to trapping moisture and causing premature rusting.
I bought a Corolla in '86 from the Service Manager at a Toy dealer. He
didn't undercoat it, and I asked him about it, and he shot back at me,
"You want it to rust?"
That car went the longest without rust of any Toyota I had previously and
had undercoated.
> Interior noise levels are one place where Honda doesn't do a great job.
>
> Professional undercoating helps quite a bit to reduce road noise and also
> damps the conduction of engine noise through the floorpan.
But can also lead to trapping moisture and causing premature rusting.
I bought a Corolla in '86 from the Service Manager at a Toy dealer. He
didn't undercoat it, and I asked him about it, and he shot back at me,
"You want it to rust?"
That car went the longest without rust of any Toyota I had previously and
had undercoated.
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