jim beam

Chopface wrote:
> TeGGeR® wrote:
>
>> "Rob B" <RobB@where.on.net> wrote in
>> news:wNRzf.2651$rH5.526@newsread2.news.atl.earthli nk.net:
>>
>>> c'mon yuse guys, need some experience with these parts (crap/not crap)
>>>
>>> from these parts what do you recommend as higher quality part or maybe
>>> what to stay away from or maybe something not listed ?
>>>
>>> Front/Rear Rotors :: Honda, Brembo, Winhere, PBR, Mountain
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>> The cheaper the rotors, the worse the steel. You pays your money and
>> you takes your chances.
>
>
> Not to nitpick too much, but aren't rotors made of cast iron?

there are more different kinds of "cast iron" than you can shake a stick
at. add to that the differences in casting quality, machining quality,
material quality, heat treatment quality, etc., and suddenly, yes, you
pays your money and you takes your chances.

>
>>
>> The cheap Chinese is the worst. I've seen big potholes flaked off
>> the friction surfaces of one year-old rotors. Makes the most
>> horrendous vibration.
>>
>> Brembo is supposed to be good. Never used them, though.
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>>> Brake pads :: Honda,
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>> The Honda-branded ones are probably Sumitomo (it will say on the
>> back). Honda also uses Akebono and Nissin depending on the application.
>>
>> Nissin is now owned by Ferodo.
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>>> Nisin Prem,
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>> If you're referring to NISSIN, Nissin is an OEM to Honda. It's
>> possible the "premium" pads you list are a similar composition to OEM.
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>>> Akebono,
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>> At least some Accord calipers are Akebono.
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>>> Nisin Silver,
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>> If it were me, I'd go with Nissin and get the most expensive ones,
>> guessing they're probably closest to OEM.
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SoCalMike

Elle wrote:
> "Rob B" <RobB@where.on.net> wrote
>> c'mon yuse guys, need some experience with these parts
> (crap/not crap)
>> from these parts what do you recommend as higher quality
> part or maybe what
>> to stay away from or maybe something not listed ?
>>
>> Front/Rear Rotors :: Honda, Brembo, Winhere, PBR,
> Mountain
> Dunno.
>
>> Brake pads :: Honda, Nisin Prem, Akebono, Nisin Silver,
> PBR, NPN, Bendix
>
> In the future I plan to go with strictly Honda OEM. From my
> reading, the "lifetime" pads use material that is harder and
> so lasts longer, but also as a result shortens the life of
> the rotor. The cost of Honda OEM pads (around $40 online for
> my 91 Civic) is low enough that I think they're worth it.

rotors are cheap lifetime brake pads are cheaper! im still running
the OEM pads (51k miles) on my 98 civic hatch. dunno what ill go with
when its time.

been using the lifetime pads on the girlfriends tacoma. she gets about
30k miles out of em, which is bout average for HER style of driving, and
that its a RWD truck w/ A/T.

they seem a little noisier, and make that "grunch" sound easier when
slipping the brake at a light. lots of brake dust, but her OEM pads were
kinda dusty too.

last time i changed em, her brakes were making noise. after taking the
wheels off and pads out they still had some meat on em. called autozone,
they said theyd swap em out regardless. had the receipt, but all they
needed to look up her info was her phone #.

it was a nice feeling getting a set of new brake pads handed to us. they
kept the box for the old ones, of course. but yeah... OEM are a bit better.

over the course of 300k miles, its $400 for OEM vs. $20 for aftermarket.
doesnt factor in the cost of rotors, and if the OEM only lasted 30k and
these still have some meat after 30k, then im guessing theyre a harder
compound.

but after 30k, the OEM ones were cracked and worn down to the backing
plate.

Elle

"SoCalMike" <Mikein562athotmail@hotmail.com> wrote
> Elle wrote:
> > "Rob B" <RobB@where.on.net> wrote
> >> c'mon yuse guys, need some experience with these parts
> > (crap/not crap)
> >> from these parts what do you recommend as higher
quality
> > part or maybe what
> >> to stay away from or maybe something not listed ?
> >>
> >> Front/Rear Rotors :: Honda, Brembo, Winhere, PBR,
> > Mountain
> > Dunno.
> >
> >> Brake pads :: Honda, Nisin Prem, Akebono, Nisin
Silver,
> > PBR, NPN, Bendix
> >
> > In the future I plan to go with strictly Honda OEM. From
my
> > reading, the "lifetime" pads use material that is harder
and
> > so lasts longer, but also as a result shortens the life
of
> > the rotor. The cost of Honda OEM pads (around $40 online
for
> > my 91 Civic) is low enough that I think they're worth
it.
>
> rotors are cheap lifetime brake pads are cheaper! im
still running
> the OEM pads (51k miles) on my 98 civic hatch.

That's right, rub it in. :-)

> dunno what ill go with
> when its time.
>
> been using the lifetime pads on the girlfriends tacoma.
she gets about
> 30k miles out of em, which is bout average for HER style
of driving, and
> that its a RWD truck w/ A/T.

Ha ha. :-)

> they seem a little noisier, and make that "grunch" sound
easier when
> slipping the brake at a light. lots of brake dust, but her
OEM pads were
> kinda dusty too.
>
> last time i changed em, her brakes were making noise.
after taking the
> wheels off and pads out they still had some meat on em.
called autozone,
> they said theyd swap em out regardless. had the receipt,
but all they
> needed to look up her info was her phone #.
>
> it was a nice feeling getting a set of new brake pads
handed to us. they
> kept the box for the old ones, of course. but yeah... OEM
are a bit better.
>
> over the course of 300k miles, its $400 for OEM vs. $20
for aftermarket.

Oh, I get it...

My 91 Civic's original, OEM pads were gone after two years,
43k miles.

I hear you about the rotors. We had this discussion with
Steve H. and others not too long ago. I checked then at the
online parts sites and saw that OEM rotors were expensive
but aftermarkets were not, and a few people have since said
aftermarket rotors are just fine. So go ahead and take a cut
on an old rotor; t'ain't nothing to replace them. That was
ultimately my feeling after the whole thread, anyway.

'Course, I'm thinkin' my 91 Civics rotors are going to the
grave with it, given the way I drive (lotta braking with the
manual transmission and engine). I know some here do not
approve.

I paid $42 for "lifetime warranty" Raybestos pads in 2002.
Still have them. I don't think that means much. I would have
paid about the same for Honda OEMs then, but maybe they
wouldn't have lasted as long.

> doesnt factor in the cost of rotors, and if the OEM only
lasted 30k and
> these still have some meat after 30k, then im guessing
theyre a harder
> compound.
>
> but after 30k, the OEM ones were cracked and worn down to
the backing
> plate.

I reckon next brake pad change, and another 50k miles or so,
I'll have more to say, as I do plan to go OEM then.

My Civic's rotor thickness is still plenty in spec, after
173k miles. The other rotor specs (evenness, runout,
scoring) are off or I'm sure a bit off.

TeGGeR®

Chopface <thename_is_slick@yahoo.com> wrote in
news:dqpl3c$n2c$1@news.doit.wisc.edu:

> TeGGeR® wrote:

>>
>>
>> The cheaper the rotors, the worse the steel. You pays your money and
>> you takes your chances.
>
> Not to nitpick too much, but aren't rotors made of cast iron?



I don't know how to tell the difference between cast iron and cast steel.
Any tips?


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jim beam

TeGGeR® wrote:
> Chopface <thename_is_slick@yahoo.com> wrote in
> news:dqpl3c$n2c$1@news.doit.wisc.edu:
>
>
>>TeGGeR® wrote:
>
>
>
>>>
>>>The cheaper the rotors, the worse the steel. You pays your money and
>>>you takes your chances.
>>
>>Not to nitpick too much, but aren't rotors made of cast iron?
>
>
>
>
> I don't know how to tell the difference between cast iron and cast steel.
> Any tips?
>
>
ugh, that's hard except for one big thing - there's not much "cast
steel" about compared to cast iron. usually, the word "steel" is
reserved for low carbon iron/carbon alloy, with other stuff thrown in
for various reasons, and which has been worked, like rod or sheet or
strip & so on. but there are cast steels, and they're usually used for
complex shapes as an alternative to machining and where cost is less of
a factor. cast iron is high carbon [lower melting point, castability,
etc.] and used where CHEAP is the order of the day. but there's no easy
differentiator unless you have a microscope - you need to know what
you're looking for and know the component's application.

SoCalMike

jim beam wrote:
> ugh, that's hard except for one big thing - there's not much "cast
> steel" about compared to cast iron. usually, the word "steel" is
> reserved for low carbon iron/carbon alloy, with other stuff thrown in
> for various reasons, and which has been worked, like rod or sheet or
> strip & so on. but there are cast steels, and they're usually used for
> complex shapes as an alternative to machining and where cost is less of
> a factor.

so then whats "pot metal"? i know its cheap, and its cast.

Alex Rodriguez

In article <XOadnRwMG9q6-E3eRVn-ug@comcast.com>, Mikein562athotmail@hotmail.com
says...

>rotors are cheap lifetime brake pads are cheaper! im still running
>the OEM pads (51k miles) on my 98 civic hatch. dunno what ill go with
>when its time.

Rotors can be had cheap. What you need to watch out for is that on some
Honda/Acura cars they installed the rotor behind the hub. This means that
a what should be a simple 1/2 hour rotor swap turns into a 1.5 hour rotor
swap. That assumes you can undo the axle bolt easiley. If your car has
this stupid design, I would stick with the softer pads that don't eat
through the rotors as quickly.
------------
Alex

John Horner

Rob B wrote:
> from these parts what do you recommend as higher quality part or maybe what
> to stay away from maybe something not listed ?
>
> Front/Rear Rotors :: Honda, Brembo, Winhere, PBR, Mountain
>

I've used Brembo rotors on many vehciles with excellent results. In
fact, I replace the factor warp-masters on my '03 Accord with Brembos
and have been enjoying excellent braking ever since.


> Brake pads :: Honda, Nisin Prem, Akebono, Nisin Silver, PBR, NPN, Bendix

Of those I have only tried PBRs and they were fine. Generally I install
top of the line Raybestos or Wagner pads when I do brake jobs on my
cars. Every company makes several grades of pads these days. Get one
of the top end pads from any major maker and you are probably ok.


>
> HO2S :: Honda, NTK, Denso, Bosch, Walker

I would use the Honda, NTK or Densos myself. For some reason my luck
with Bosch parts has been very hit-and-miss. Never tried Walker.

John

Rob B

great, thanks for advice

probably go Brembo + nisin Premium + Denso

can't find ho2s NTK for less than 260 denso about 70

"John Horner" <jthorner@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:IM9Af.26$Me5.1@trnddc05...
> Rob B wrote:
> > from these parts what do you recommend as higher quality part or maybe
what
> > to stay away from maybe something not listed ?
> >
> > Front/Rear Rotors :: Honda, Brembo, Winhere, PBR, Mountain
>
> I've used Brembo rotors on many vehciles with excellent results. In
> fact, I replace the factor warp-masters on my '03 Accord with Brembos
> and have been enjoying excellent braking ever since.
>
> > Brake pads :: Honda, Nisin Prem, Akebono, Nisin Silver, PBR, NPN,
Bendix
>
> Of those I have only tried PBRs and they were fine. Generally I install
> top of the line Raybestos or Wagner pads when I do brake jobs on my
> cars. Every company makes several grades of pads these days. Get one
> of the top end pads from any major maker and you are probably ok.
>
> > HO2S :: Honda, NTK, Denso, Bosch, Walker
>
> I would use the Honda, NTK or Densos myself. For some reason my luck
> with Bosch parts has been very hit-and-miss. Never tried Walker.
>
> John

jim beam

SoCalMike wrote:
> jim beam wrote:
>
>> ugh, that's hard except for one big thing - there's not much "cast
>> steel" about compared to cast iron. usually, the word "steel" is
>> reserved for low carbon iron/carbon alloy, with other stuff thrown in
>> for various reasons, and which has been worked, like rod or sheet or
>> strip & so on. but there are cast steels, and they're usually used
>> for complex shapes as an alternative to machining and where cost is
>> less of a factor.
>
>
> so then whats "pot metal"? i know its cheap, and its cast.

http://www.thefreedictionary.com/pot+metal

what's the application?

TeGGeR®

jim beam <nospam@example.net> wrote in
news:Rrudndjl5rG_MUzenZ2dnUVZ_tGdnZ2d@speakeasy.ne t:

> SoCalMike wrote:
>> jim beam wrote:
>>
>>> ugh, that's hard except for one big thing - there's not much "cast
>>> steel" about compared to cast iron. usually, the word "steel" is
>>> reserved for low carbon iron/carbon alloy, with other stuff thrown in
>>> for various reasons, and which has been worked, like rod or sheet or
>>> strip & so on. but there are cast steels, and they're usually used
>>> for complex shapes as an alternative to machining and where cost is
>>> less of a factor.
>>
>>
>> so then whats "pot metal"? i know its cheap, and its cast.
>
> http://www.thefreedictionary.com/pot+metal
>
> what's the application?
>



Honda brake discs.

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Don Allen

I guess no one has answered the basic question yet?? In my experience
using Brembo rotors on my Honda, two SAABs, my son's Mitsubishi, and our
Volvo, I would say "yes", Brembo makes good rotors. The finish is
excellent and I've not had any problems with any of the cars that I've
installed Brembo rotors.

w9cw@yahoo.com

I usually buy all of my Brembo parts from one of the various internet
sources, such as www.thepartsbin.com. Decent prices, and excellent
delivery.

TeGGeR®

Don Allen <w9cw@yahoo.com> wrote in
news:MPG.1e3df7bfb8dedaab989686@netnews.insightbb. com:

> I guess no one has answered the basic question yet??


Maybe no one knows.



> In my experience
> using Brembo rotors on my Honda, two SAABs, my son's Mitsubishi, and our
> Volvo, I would say "yes", Brembo makes good rotors. The finish is
> excellent and I've not had any problems with any of the cars that I've
> installed Brembo rotors.



Well there y'go. You just answered the question for the OP.
Here's your Kewpie doll.



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