Re: Honda Service Manuals
 

"jim beam" <spamvortex@bad.example.net> wrote
> Elle wrote:
> <snip>
>>
>> Even Helms omits important info. E.g. trailing arm
>> bushing replacement can now be done with the arm in
>> place.
>>
> it's omitted because it's not a factory procedure.

Doh.

But fact is, dealerships will replace the trailing arm
bushing and not the trailing arm.

> factory procedure is to replace the arm to eliminate risk
> of it fatiguing as its mileage increases. it can easily
> survive the life of one main bushing, but two is a risk.

In the past I have asked you to cite statements like this,
and you get all upset.

So, no, without a citation, this is just bullshit from a
Usenet poster. And if you get all upset, it's more bullshit.

Re: Honda Service Manuals
 

Elle wrote:
> "jim beam" <spamvortex@bad.example.net> wrote
>> Elle wrote:
>> <snip>
>>> Even Helms omits important info. E.g. trailing arm
>>> bushing replacement can now be done with the arm in
>>> place.
>>>
>> it's omitted because it's not a factory procedure.
>
> Doh.
>
> But fact is, dealerships will replace the trailing arm
> bushing and not the trailing arm.
>
>> factory procedure is to replace the arm to eliminate risk
>> of it fatiguing as its mileage increases. it can easily
>> survive the life of one main bushing, but two is a risk.
>
> In the past I have asked you to cite statements like this,
> and you get all upset.
>
> So, no, without a citation, this is just bullshit from a
> Usenet poster. And if you get all upset, it's more bullshit.
>
>
right now, only one of us appears to be using the language of negative
emotion, and it ain't me.

fact: i have seen stamped steel suspension components like this fatigue
and break.
fact: corrosion reduces the cross section of material.
fact: corrosion causes pitting - which acts as a stress riser.

reduced cross section /and/ stress riser? that sure is something to get
upset about, but not in the way you're doing. and quitcher bleating
about citations - original source does not require it.

Re: Honda Service Manuals
 

Elle wrote:
> "jim beam" <spamvortex@bad.example.net> wrote
>> Elle wrote:
>> <snip>
>>> Even Helms omits important info. E.g. trailing arm
>>> bushing replacement can now be done with the arm in
>>> place.
>>>
>> it's omitted because it's not a factory procedure.
>
> Doh.
>
> But fact is, dealerships will replace the trailing arm
> bushing and not the trailing arm.
>
>> factory procedure is to replace the arm to eliminate risk
>> of it fatiguing as its mileage increases. it can easily
>> survive the life of one main bushing, but two is a risk.
>
> In the past I have asked you to cite statements like this,
> and you get all upset.
>
> So, no, without a citation, this is just bullshit from a
> Usenet poster. And if you get all upset, it's more bullshit.
>
>
right now, only one of us appears to be using the language of negative
emotion, and it ain't me.

fact: i have seen stamped steel suspension components like this fatigue
and break.
fact: corrosion reduces the cross section of material.
fact: corrosion causes pitting - which acts as a stress riser.

reduced cross section /and/ stress riser? that sure is something to get
upset about, but not in the way you're doing. and quitcher bleating
about citations - original source does not require it.

Re: Honda Service Manuals
 

Elle wrote:
> "jim beam" <spamvortex@bad.example.net> wrote
>> Elle wrote:
>> <snip>
>>> Even Helms omits important info. E.g. trailing arm
>>> bushing replacement can now be done with the arm in
>>> place.
>>>
>> it's omitted because it's not a factory procedure.
>
> Doh.
>
> But fact is, dealerships will replace the trailing arm
> bushing and not the trailing arm.
>
>> factory procedure is to replace the arm to eliminate risk
>> of it fatiguing as its mileage increases. it can easily
>> survive the life of one main bushing, but two is a risk.
>
> In the past I have asked you to cite statements like this,
> and you get all upset.
>
> So, no, without a citation, this is just bullshit from a
> Usenet poster. And if you get all upset, it's more bullshit.
>
>
right now, only one of us appears to be using the language of negative
emotion, and it ain't me.

fact: i have seen stamped steel suspension components like this fatigue
and break.
fact: corrosion reduces the cross section of material.
fact: corrosion causes pitting - which acts as a stress riser.

reduced cross section /and/ stress riser? that sure is something to get
upset about, but not in the way you're doing. and quitcher bleating
about citations - original source does not require it.

Re: Honda Service Manuals
 

"jim beam" <spamvortex@bad.example.net> wrote
> Elle wrote:
>> "jim beam" <spamvortex@bad.example.net> wrote
>>> Elle wrote:
>>> <snip>
>>>> Even Helms omits important info. E.g. trailing arm
>>>> bushing replacement can now be done with the arm in
>>>> place.
>>>>
>>> it's omitted because it's not a factory procedure.
>>
>> Doh.
>>
>> But fact is, dealerships will replace the trailing arm
>> bushing and not the trailing arm.
>>
>>> factory procedure is to replace the arm to eliminate
>>> risk of it fatiguing as its mileage increases. it can
>>> easily survive the life of one main bushing, but two is
>>> a risk.
>>
>> In the past I have asked you to cite statements like
>> this, and you get all upset.
>>
>> So, no, without a citation, this is just bullshit from a
>> Usenet poster. And if you get all upset, it's more
>> bullshit.
> right now, only one of us appears to be using the language
> of negative emotion, and it ain't me.

Beamer: No citation, no sell. Your calling that emotion
shows what a weak-ego'd bullshit artist you try to be.

Re: Honda Service Manuals
 

"jim beam" <spamvortex@bad.example.net> wrote
> Elle wrote:
>> "jim beam" <spamvortex@bad.example.net> wrote
>>> Elle wrote:
>>> <snip>
>>>> Even Helms omits important info. E.g. trailing arm
>>>> bushing replacement can now be done with the arm in
>>>> place.
>>>>
>>> it's omitted because it's not a factory procedure.
>>
>> Doh.
>>
>> But fact is, dealerships will replace the trailing arm
>> bushing and not the trailing arm.
>>
>>> factory procedure is to replace the arm to eliminate
>>> risk of it fatiguing as its mileage increases. it can
>>> easily survive the life of one main bushing, but two is
>>> a risk.
>>
>> In the past I have asked you to cite statements like
>> this, and you get all upset.
>>
>> So, no, without a citation, this is just bullshit from a
>> Usenet poster. And if you get all upset, it's more
>> bullshit.
> right now, only one of us appears to be using the language
> of negative emotion, and it ain't me.

Beamer: No citation, no sell. Your calling that emotion
shows what a weak-ego'd bullshit artist you try to be.

Re: Honda Service Manuals
 

"jim beam" <spamvortex@bad.example.net> wrote
> Elle wrote:
>> "jim beam" <spamvortex@bad.example.net> wrote
>>> Elle wrote:
>>> <snip>
>>>> Even Helms omits important info. E.g. trailing arm
>>>> bushing replacement can now be done with the arm in
>>>> place.
>>>>
>>> it's omitted because it's not a factory procedure.
>>
>> Doh.
>>
>> But fact is, dealerships will replace the trailing arm
>> bushing and not the trailing arm.
>>
>>> factory procedure is to replace the arm to eliminate
>>> risk of it fatiguing as its mileage increases. it can
>>> easily survive the life of one main bushing, but two is
>>> a risk.
>>
>> In the past I have asked you to cite statements like
>> this, and you get all upset.
>>
>> So, no, without a citation, this is just bullshit from a
>> Usenet poster. And if you get all upset, it's more
>> bullshit.
> right now, only one of us appears to be using the language
> of negative emotion, and it ain't me.

Beamer: No citation, no sell. Your calling that emotion
shows what a weak-ego'd bullshit artist you try to be.

Re: Honda Service Manuals
 

Elle wrote:
> "jim beam" <spamvortex@bad.example.net> wrote
>> Elle wrote:
>>> "jim beam" <spamvortex@bad.example.net> wrote
>>>> Elle wrote:
>>>> <snip>
>>>>> Even Helms omits important info. E.g. trailing arm
>>>>> bushing replacement can now be done with the arm in
>>>>> place.
>>>>>
>>>> it's omitted because it's not a factory procedure.
>>> Doh.
>>>
>>> But fact is, dealerships will replace the trailing arm
>>> bushing and not the trailing arm.
>>>
>>>> factory procedure is to replace the arm to eliminate
>>>> risk of it fatiguing as its mileage increases. it can
>>>> easily survive the life of one main bushing, but two is
>>>> a risk.
>>> In the past I have asked you to cite statements like
>>> this, and you get all upset.
>>>
>>> So, no, without a citation, this is just bullshit from a
>>> Usenet poster. And if you get all upset, it's more
>>> bullshit.
>> right now, only one of us appears to be using the language
>> of negative emotion, and it ain't me.
>
> Beamer: No citation, no sell. Your calling that emotion
> shows what a weak-ego'd bullshit artist you try to be.
>
elle, what are you trying to get out of this exchange? you're evidently
not speaking from knowledge or experience here, so why dig yourself even
deeper? get yourself to a junk yard and see where rusty springs have
fatigued and failed - [other] suspension member failure is exactly the
same thing, and you may even see one if you look long enough. i'm kinda
shocked as to why this would be such a conceptual hurdle for an engineer.

Re: Honda Service Manuals
 

Elle wrote:
> "jim beam" <spamvortex@bad.example.net> wrote
>> Elle wrote:
>>> "jim beam" <spamvortex@bad.example.net> wrote
>>>> Elle wrote:
>>>> <snip>
>>>>> Even Helms omits important info. E.g. trailing arm
>>>>> bushing replacement can now be done with the arm in
>>>>> place.
>>>>>
>>>> it's omitted because it's not a factory procedure.
>>> Doh.
>>>
>>> But fact is, dealerships will replace the trailing arm
>>> bushing and not the trailing arm.
>>>
>>>> factory procedure is to replace the arm to eliminate
>>>> risk of it fatiguing as its mileage increases. it can
>>>> easily survive the life of one main bushing, but two is
>>>> a risk.
>>> In the past I have asked you to cite statements like
>>> this, and you get all upset.
>>>
>>> So, no, without a citation, this is just bullshit from a
>>> Usenet poster. And if you get all upset, it's more
>>> bullshit.
>> right now, only one of us appears to be using the language
>> of negative emotion, and it ain't me.
>
> Beamer: No citation, no sell. Your calling that emotion
> shows what a weak-ego'd bullshit artist you try to be.
>
elle, what are you trying to get out of this exchange? you're evidently
not speaking from knowledge or experience here, so why dig yourself even
deeper? get yourself to a junk yard and see where rusty springs have
fatigued and failed - [other] suspension member failure is exactly the
same thing, and you may even see one if you look long enough. i'm kinda
shocked as to why this would be such a conceptual hurdle for an engineer.

Re: Honda Service Manuals
 

Elle wrote:
> "jim beam" <spamvortex@bad.example.net> wrote
>> Elle wrote:
>>> "jim beam" <spamvortex@bad.example.net> wrote
>>>> Elle wrote:
>>>> <snip>
>>>>> Even Helms omits important info. E.g. trailing arm
>>>>> bushing replacement can now be done with the arm in
>>>>> place.
>>>>>
>>>> it's omitted because it's not a factory procedure.
>>> Doh.
>>>
>>> But fact is, dealerships will replace the trailing arm
>>> bushing and not the trailing arm.
>>>
>>>> factory procedure is to replace the arm to eliminate
>>>> risk of it fatiguing as its mileage increases. it can
>>>> easily survive the life of one main bushing, but two is
>>>> a risk.
>>> In the past I have asked you to cite statements like
>>> this, and you get all upset.
>>>
>>> So, no, without a citation, this is just bullshit from a
>>> Usenet poster. And if you get all upset, it's more
>>> bullshit.
>> right now, only one of us appears to be using the language
>> of negative emotion, and it ain't me.
>
> Beamer: No citation, no sell. Your calling that emotion
> shows what a weak-ego'd bullshit artist you try to be.
>
elle, what are you trying to get out of this exchange? you're evidently
not speaking from knowledge or experience here, so why dig yourself even
deeper? get yourself to a junk yard and see where rusty springs have
fatigued and failed - [other] suspension member failure is exactly the
same thing, and you may even see one if you look long enough. i'm kinda
shocked as to why this would be such a conceptual hurdle for an engineer.