Honda vs Toyota ??
 

It seems to me like these two companies make the best cars. I'm retired and
need to get a good four door and my main concerns are reliabliity, low cost
maintenance and initial cost. I would consider a year or two year old also.
I hear of Honda Civics going to 300,000 miles with few problems. Which is
better, the Accord or the Camry or did I miss one?

--

73
Hank WD5JFR

2006 Pilot
 

I'm thinking about getting a new Pilot but I want the side curtain
airbags and the 2006 model might have them. Anyone know? When is the
2006 Pilot going to be available.

SG

2006 Pilot
 

I'm thinking about getting a new Pilot but I want the side curtain
airbags and the 2006 model might have them. Anyone know? When is the
2006 Pilot going to be available.

SG

Re: Honda vs Toyota ??
 

Check out the Audi A6. Very reliable and a thrill to drive.





"Henry Kolesnik" <kolesnik@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
news:w3mke.500$TJ2.5@newssvr11.news.prodigy.com...
> It seems to me like these two companies make the best cars. I'm retired
and
> need to get a good four door and my main concerns are reliabliity, low
cost
> maintenance and initial cost. I would consider a year or two year old
also.
> I hear of Honda Civics going to 300,000 miles with few problems. Which is
> better, the Accord or the Camry or did I miss one?
>
> --
>
> 73
> Hank WD5JFR
>
>

Re: Honda vs Toyota ??
 

Check out the Audi A6. Very reliable and a thrill to drive.





"Henry Kolesnik" <kolesnik@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
news:w3mke.500$TJ2.5@newssvr11.news.prodigy.com...
> It seems to me like these two companies make the best cars. I'm retired
and
> need to get a good four door and my main concerns are reliabliity, low
cost
> maintenance and initial cost. I would consider a year or two year old
also.
> I hear of Honda Civics going to 300,000 miles with few problems. Which is
> better, the Accord or the Camry or did I miss one?
>
> --
>
> 73
> Hank WD5JFR
>
>

Re: Honda vs Toyota ??
 

Audi, isn't that a Volkswagen, terrible reliability.

Tom


"ja" <__jame_sayton@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
news:clpke.23130$CR5.18828@bignews1.bellsouth.net. ..
> Check out the Audi A6. Very reliable and a thrill to drive.
>
>
>
>
>
> "Henry Kolesnik" <kolesnik@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
> news:w3mke.500$TJ2.5@newssvr11.news.prodigy.com...
>> It seems to me like these two companies make the best cars. I'm retired
> and
>> need to get a good four door and my main concerns are reliabliity, low
> cost
>> maintenance and initial cost. I would consider a year or two year old
> also.
>> I hear of Honda Civics going to 300,000 miles with few problems. Which is
>> better, the Accord or the Camry or did I miss one?
>>
>> --
>>
>> 73
>> Hank WD5JFR
>>
>>
>
>

Re: Honda vs Toyota ??
 

Audi, isn't that a Volkswagen, terrible reliability.

Tom


"ja" <__jame_sayton@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
news:clpke.23130$CR5.18828@bignews1.bellsouth.net. ..
> Check out the Audi A6. Very reliable and a thrill to drive.
>
>
>
>
>
> "Henry Kolesnik" <kolesnik@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
> news:w3mke.500$TJ2.5@newssvr11.news.prodigy.com...
>> It seems to me like these two companies make the best cars. I'm retired
> and
>> need to get a good four door and my main concerns are reliabliity, low
> cost
>> maintenance and initial cost. I would consider a year or two year old
> also.
>> I hear of Honda Civics going to 300,000 miles with few problems. Which is
>> better, the Accord or the Camry or did I miss one?
>>
>> --
>>
>> 73
>> Hank WD5JFR
>>
>>
>
>

Re: Honda vs Toyota ??
 

On 2005-05-23 kolesnik@sbcglobal.net said:
>Newsgroups: alt.autos.honda
>It seems to me like these two companies make the best cars. I'm
>retired and need to get a good four door and my main concerns are
>reliabliity, low cost maintenance and initial cost. I would
>consider a year or two year old also. I hear of Honda Civics going
>to 300,000 miles with few problems. Which is better, the Accord or
>the Camry or did I miss one?
>--
>73
>Hank WD5JFR
Ny '85 Honda Civic wagon is still going strong at 282,956 mi.
Near-identical '84, at 215,459 mi., presently laid-up while I get
around to checking drive-end of cam for suspected cracking, replace
it. (I've had several of these failures - bad design - sharp corner
produces stress concentration cracking. Honda should know better.
Any mechanical designer worth his salt does!)

But... reading what you guys are posting, I'd probably not buy Honda
today - looks like a lot of trouble.

Wonder if there are any decent VeeDubs around? Had several real
goodies in the '60's. Always lusted for a crew-cab pickup, canoe on
top, dirt bike in the back, junk-yard dog nearby. <G>

Gawd, don't I sound like an old hippie!


Tom Willmon
near Mountainair, (mid) New Mexico, USA

Bug free, cheap, on time, works. Pick two.

Net-Tamer V 1.12.0 - Registered

Re: Honda vs Toyota ??
 

On 2005-05-23 kolesnik@sbcglobal.net said:
>Newsgroups: alt.autos.honda
>It seems to me like these two companies make the best cars. I'm
>retired and need to get a good four door and my main concerns are
>reliabliity, low cost maintenance and initial cost. I would
>consider a year or two year old also. I hear of Honda Civics going
>to 300,000 miles with few problems. Which is better, the Accord or
>the Camry or did I miss one?
>--
>73
>Hank WD5JFR
Ny '85 Honda Civic wagon is still going strong at 282,956 mi.
Near-identical '84, at 215,459 mi., presently laid-up while I get
around to checking drive-end of cam for suspected cracking, replace
it. (I've had several of these failures - bad design - sharp corner
produces stress concentration cracking. Honda should know better.
Any mechanical designer worth his salt does!)

But... reading what you guys are posting, I'd probably not buy Honda
today - looks like a lot of trouble.

Wonder if there are any decent VeeDubs around? Had several real
goodies in the '60's. Always lusted for a crew-cab pickup, canoe on
top, dirt bike in the back, junk-yard dog nearby. <G>

Gawd, don't I sound like an old hippie!


Tom Willmon
near Mountainair, (mid) New Mexico, USA

Bug free, cheap, on time, works. Pick two.

Net-Tamer V 1.12.0 - Registered

Re: Honda vs Toyota ??
 

In article <d6tqk7$4f8$2@reader2.nmix.net>, twillmon@cybermesa.net
wrote:

> Wonder if there are any decent VeeDubs around?

Nope.

In fact, I'd buy a Chevy or a Ford long, long before I'd buy a German
car. That's from direct experience.

Re: Honda vs Toyota ??
 

In article <d6tqk7$4f8$2@reader2.nmix.net>, twillmon@cybermesa.net
wrote:

> Wonder if there are any decent VeeDubs around?

Nope.

In fact, I'd buy a Chevy or a Ford long, long before I'd buy a German
car. That's from direct experience.

Re: Honda vs Toyota ??
 

"Henry Kolesnik" <kolesnik@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
news:w3mke.500$TJ2.5@newssvr11.news.prodigy.com...
> It seems to me like these two companies make the best cars. I'm retired
> and need to get a good four door and my main concerns are reliabliity, low
> cost maintenance and initial cost. I would consider a year or two year
> old also. I hear of Honda Civics going to 300,000 miles with few problems.
> Which is better, the Accord or the Camry or did I miss one?
>
> --
>
> 73
> Hank WD5JFR
>
IMHO either one will be a fine car for you. There has been some concern here
about recent Honda automatic transmissions, but frankly I have no direct
knowledge. It is something to learn about.

Mike (former WA6TDG... many years ago)

Re: Honda vs Toyota ??
 

"Henry Kolesnik" <kolesnik@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
news:w3mke.500$TJ2.5@newssvr11.news.prodigy.com...
> It seems to me like these two companies make the best cars. I'm retired
> and need to get a good four door and my main concerns are reliabliity, low
> cost maintenance and initial cost. I would consider a year or two year
> old also. I hear of Honda Civics going to 300,000 miles with few problems.
> Which is better, the Accord or the Camry or did I miss one?
>
> --
>
> 73
> Hank WD5JFR
>
IMHO either one will be a fine car for you. There has been some concern here
about recent Honda automatic transmissions, but frankly I have no direct
knowledge. It is something to learn about.

Mike (former WA6TDG... many years ago)

Re: Honda vs Toyota ??
 

Elmo P. Shagnasty wrote:
> In article <d6tqk7$4f8$2@reader2.nmix.net>, twillmon@cybermesa.net
> wrote:
>
>
>>Wonder if there are any decent VeeDubs around?
>
>
> Nope.
>
> In fact, I'd buy a Chevy or a Ford long, long before I'd buy a German
> car. That's from direct experience.

most of the small fords & chevy's are designed in germany & use german
parts extensively. focus, cavalier...

in terms of parts quality, even though i don't care for vw either, their
standards are definitely higher than our domestics.

Re: Honda vs Toyota ??
 

Elmo P. Shagnasty wrote:
> In article <d6tqk7$4f8$2@reader2.nmix.net>, twillmon@cybermesa.net
> wrote:
>
>
>>Wonder if there are any decent VeeDubs around?
>
>
> Nope.
>
> In fact, I'd buy a Chevy or a Ford long, long before I'd buy a German
> car. That's from direct experience.

most of the small fords & chevy's are designed in germany & use german
parts extensively. focus, cavalier...

in terms of parts quality, even though i don't care for vw either, their
standards are definitely higher than our domestics.

Re: Honda vs Toyota ??
 

agree get a honda
"twfsa" <uksatw@qwest.net> wrote in message
news:l7tke.16$8A4.5@lakeread07...
> Audi, isn't that a Volkswagen, terrible reliability.
>
> Tom
>
>
> "ja" <__jame_sayton@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
> news:clpke.23130$CR5.18828@bignews1.bellsouth.net. ..
> > Check out the Audi A6. Very reliable and a thrill to drive.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > "Henry Kolesnik" <kolesnik@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
> > news:w3mke.500$TJ2.5@newssvr11.news.prodigy.com...
> >> It seems to me like these two companies make the best cars. I'm
retired
> > and
> >> need to get a good four door and my main concerns are reliabliity, low
> > cost
> >> maintenance and initial cost. I would consider a year or two year old
> > also.
> >> I hear of Honda Civics going to 300,000 miles with few problems. Which
is
> >> better, the Accord or the Camry or did I miss one?
> >>
> >> --
> >>
> >> 73
> >> Hank WD5JFR
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
>
>

Re: Honda vs Toyota ??
 

agree get a honda
"twfsa" <uksatw@qwest.net> wrote in message
news:l7tke.16$8A4.5@lakeread07...
> Audi, isn't that a Volkswagen, terrible reliability.
>
> Tom
>
>
> "ja" <__jame_sayton@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
> news:clpke.23130$CR5.18828@bignews1.bellsouth.net. ..
> > Check out the Audi A6. Very reliable and a thrill to drive.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > "Henry Kolesnik" <kolesnik@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
> > news:w3mke.500$TJ2.5@newssvr11.news.prodigy.com...
> >> It seems to me like these two companies make the best cars. I'm
retired
> > and
> >> need to get a good four door and my main concerns are reliabliity, low
> > cost
> >> maintenance and initial cost. I would consider a year or two year old
> > also.
> >> I hear of Honda Civics going to 300,000 miles with few problems. Which
is
> >> better, the Accord or the Camry or did I miss one?
> >>
> >> --
> >>
> >> 73
> >> Hank WD5JFR
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
>
>

Re: Honda vs Toyota ??
 

In article <6vKdnX_Oy7O_Aw_fRVn-rA@speakeasy.net>,
jim beam <nospam@example.net> wrote:

> > In fact, I'd buy a Chevy or a Ford long, long before I'd buy a German
> > car. That's from direct experience.
>
> most of the small fords & chevy's are designed in germany & use german
> parts extensively. focus, cavalier...

Cavalier? Nope. Pure American.

But I wasn't thinking Focus when I was thinking Ford.

Re: Honda vs Toyota ??
 

In article <6vKdnX_Oy7O_Aw_fRVn-rA@speakeasy.net>,
jim beam <nospam@example.net> wrote:

> > In fact, I'd buy a Chevy or a Ford long, long before I'd buy a German
> > car. That's from direct experience.
>
> most of the small fords & chevy's are designed in germany & use german
> parts extensively. focus, cavalier...

Cavalier? Nope. Pure American.

But I wasn't thinking Focus when I was thinking Ford.

Re: Honda vs Toyota ??
 

Elmo P. Shagnasty wrote:
> In article <6vKdnX_Oy7O_Aw_fRVn-rA@speakeasy.net>,
> jim beam <nospam@example.net> wrote:
>
>
>>>In fact, I'd buy a Chevy or a Ford long, long before I'd buy a German
>>>car. That's from direct experience.
>>
>>most of the small fords & chevy's are designed in germany & use german
>>parts extensively. focus, cavalier...
>
>
> Cavalier? Nope. Pure American.

nope, pure german. may be assembled here, but i assure you, it wasn't
designed here. checking out opel.de gives you an idea of how much gm
europe has invested in an entirely euro product range, some of which
finds its way here.

>
> But I wasn't thinking Focus when I was thinking Ford.

true, not the first to come to mind, but there's a number of euro fords
sold here - essentially all the small ones.

fwiw, the dodge stratus was/is german too, even before chrysler was
bought by daimler.

Re: Honda vs Toyota ??
 

Elmo P. Shagnasty wrote:
> In article <6vKdnX_Oy7O_Aw_fRVn-rA@speakeasy.net>,
> jim beam <nospam@example.net> wrote:
>
>
>>>In fact, I'd buy a Chevy or a Ford long, long before I'd buy a German
>>>car. That's from direct experience.
>>
>>most of the small fords & chevy's are designed in germany & use german
>>parts extensively. focus, cavalier...
>
>
> Cavalier? Nope. Pure American.

nope, pure german. may be assembled here, but i assure you, it wasn't
designed here. checking out opel.de gives you an idea of how much gm
europe has invested in an entirely euro product range, some of which
finds its way here.

>
> But I wasn't thinking Focus when I was thinking Ford.

true, not the first to come to mind, but there's a number of euro fords
sold here - essentially all the small ones.

fwiw, the dodge stratus was/is german too, even before chrysler was
bought by daimler.

Re: Honda vs Toyota ??
 

On Mon, 23 May 2005 14:49:00 GMT, "Henry Kolesnik"
<kolesnik@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

>It seems to me like these two companies make the best cars. I'm retired and
>need to get a good four door and my main concerns are reliabliity, low cost
>maintenance and initial cost. I would consider a year or two year old also.
>I hear of Honda Civics going to 300,000 miles with few problems. Which is
>better, the Accord or the Camry or did I miss one?

I'd give the camry a miss. Friends got an 05, in 6 months, its had a
headlight unit replaced, been in 3 times with the airbags, another
time with the ABS, paints already chipping, because of rust
underneith. This car is about 6 months old, and in georgia. hardly
salt+spray central.

Re: Honda vs Toyota ??
 

On Mon, 23 May 2005 14:49:00 GMT, "Henry Kolesnik"
<kolesnik@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

>It seems to me like these two companies make the best cars. I'm retired and
>need to get a good four door and my main concerns are reliabliity, low cost
>maintenance and initial cost. I would consider a year or two year old also.
>I hear of Honda Civics going to 300,000 miles with few problems. Which is
>better, the Accord or the Camry or did I miss one?

I'd give the camry a miss. Friends got an 05, in 6 months, its had a
headlight unit replaced, been in 3 times with the airbags, another
time with the ABS, paints already chipping, because of rust
underneith. This car is about 6 months old, and in georgia. hardly
salt+spray central.

Re: Honda vs Toyota ??
 

Henry Kolesnik wrote:
> It seems to me like these two companies make the best cars.

I agree.

The same companies make Acura & Lexus so consider them also.

> I'm retired and
> need to get a good four door and my main concerns are reliabliity, low cost
> maintenance and initial cost.

These will be higher initial cost. Much lower on Excedrin bills later.

> I would consider a year or two year old also.

Yes, get used - even older - and save on initial cost.

> I hear of Honda Civics going to 300,000 miles with few problems. Which is
> better, the Accord or the Camry or did I miss one?
>

My first choice is either brand if the serial number starts with a "J".

After that, I'd prefer a timing chain over a timing belt.

Certain Toyota engines can burn oil and some get lower gas mileage than Honda, but other than that, Toyotas are better built and last longer IMHO.

Good luck.

Re: Honda vs Toyota ??
 

Henry Kolesnik wrote:
> It seems to me like these two companies make the best cars.

I agree.

The same companies make Acura & Lexus so consider them also.

> I'm retired and
> need to get a good four door and my main concerns are reliabliity, low cost
> maintenance and initial cost.

These will be higher initial cost. Much lower on Excedrin bills later.

> I would consider a year or two year old also.

Yes, get used - even older - and save on initial cost.

> I hear of Honda Civics going to 300,000 miles with few problems. Which is
> better, the Accord or the Camry or did I miss one?
>

My first choice is either brand if the serial number starts with a "J".

After that, I'd prefer a timing chain over a timing belt.

Certain Toyota engines can burn oil and some get lower gas mileage than Honda, but other than that, Toyotas are better built and last longer IMHO.

Good luck.

Re: Honda vs Toyota ??
 

toyotas are junk. get a honda they have higher resale value. you won't be
disappointed.



-jeff
"Martin Yanagisawa" <nospam@nospam.edu> wrote in message
news:O-2dnTuWBr2hfw7fRVn-oA@rcn.net...
> Henry Kolesnik wrote:
>> It seems to me like these two companies make the best cars.
>
> I agree.
>
> The same companies make Acura & Lexus so consider them also.
>
>> I'm retired and need to get a good four door and my main concerns are
>> reliabliity, low cost maintenance and initial cost.
>
> These will be higher initial cost. Much lower on Excedrin bills later.
>
>> I would consider a year or two year old also.
>
> Yes, get used - even older - and save on initial cost.
>> I hear of Honda Civics going to 300,000 miles with few problems. Which is
>> better, the Accord or the Camry or did I miss one?
>>
>
> My first choice is either brand if the serial number starts with a "J".
>
> After that, I'd prefer a timing chain over a timing belt.
>
> Certain Toyota engines can burn oil and some get lower gas mileage than
> Honda, but other than that, Toyotas are better built and last longer IMHO.
> Good luck.
>
>

Re: Honda vs Toyota ??
 

toyotas are junk. get a honda they have higher resale value. you won't be
disappointed.



-jeff
"Martin Yanagisawa" <nospam@nospam.edu> wrote in message
news:O-2dnTuWBr2hfw7fRVn-oA@rcn.net...
> Henry Kolesnik wrote:
>> It seems to me like these two companies make the best cars.
>
> I agree.
>
> The same companies make Acura & Lexus so consider them also.
>
>> I'm retired and need to get a good four door and my main concerns are
>> reliabliity, low cost maintenance and initial cost.
>
> These will be higher initial cost. Much lower on Excedrin bills later.
>
>> I would consider a year or two year old also.
>
> Yes, get used - even older - and save on initial cost.
>> I hear of Honda Civics going to 300,000 miles with few problems. Which is
>> better, the Accord or the Camry or did I miss one?
>>
>
> My first choice is either brand if the serial number starts with a "J".
>
> After that, I'd prefer a timing chain over a timing belt.
>
> Certain Toyota engines can burn oil and some get lower gas mileage than
> Honda, but other than that, Toyotas are better built and last longer IMHO.
> Good luck.
>
>

Re: Honda vs Toyota ??
 

We have been very happy with both Toyotas and Hondas. Our current Toyota is
a 2002 Prius and is in very strong demand on the used market, leading to
used Prius cars sometimes selling for more than they cost originally.

Mike

"hondaman" <jeffscomp@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
news:0xOle.2286$uu.243@newssvr33.news.prodigy.com. ..
> toyotas are junk. get a honda they have higher resale value. you won't be
> disappointed.
>
>
>
> -jeff
> "Martin Yanagisawa" <nospam@nospam.edu> wrote in message
> news:O-2dnTuWBr2hfw7fRVn-oA@rcn.net...
>> Henry Kolesnik wrote:
>>> It seems to me like these two companies make the best cars.
>>
>> I agree.
>>
>> The same companies make Acura & Lexus so consider them also.
>>
>>> I'm retired and need to get a good four door and my main concerns are
>>> reliabliity, low cost maintenance and initial cost.
>>
>> These will be higher initial cost. Much lower on Excedrin bills later.
>>
>>> I would consider a year or two year old also.
>>
>> Yes, get used - even older - and save on initial cost.
>>> I hear of Honda Civics going to 300,000 miles with few problems. Which
>>> is better, the Accord or the Camry or did I miss one?
>>>
>>
>> My first choice is either brand if the serial number starts with a "J".
>>
>> After that, I'd prefer a timing chain over a timing belt.
>>
>> Certain Toyota engines can burn oil and some get lower gas mileage than
>> Honda, but other than that, Toyotas are better built and last longer
>> IMHO.
>> Good luck.
>>
>>
>
>

Re: Honda vs Toyota ??
 

We have been very happy with both Toyotas and Hondas. Our current Toyota is
a 2002 Prius and is in very strong demand on the used market, leading to
used Prius cars sometimes selling for more than they cost originally.

Mike

"hondaman" <jeffscomp@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
news:0xOle.2286$uu.243@newssvr33.news.prodigy.com. ..
> toyotas are junk. get a honda they have higher resale value. you won't be
> disappointed.
>
>
>
> -jeff
> "Martin Yanagisawa" <nospam@nospam.edu> wrote in message
> news:O-2dnTuWBr2hfw7fRVn-oA@rcn.net...
>> Henry Kolesnik wrote:
>>> It seems to me like these two companies make the best cars.
>>
>> I agree.
>>
>> The same companies make Acura & Lexus so consider them also.
>>
>>> I'm retired and need to get a good four door and my main concerns are
>>> reliabliity, low cost maintenance and initial cost.
>>
>> These will be higher initial cost. Much lower on Excedrin bills later.
>>
>>> I would consider a year or two year old also.
>>
>> Yes, get used - even older - and save on initial cost.
>>> I hear of Honda Civics going to 300,000 miles with few problems. Which
>>> is better, the Accord or the Camry or did I miss one?
>>>
>>
>> My first choice is either brand if the serial number starts with a "J".
>>
>> After that, I'd prefer a timing chain over a timing belt.
>>
>> Certain Toyota engines can burn oil and some get lower gas mileage than
>> Honda, but other than that, Toyotas are better built and last longer
>> IMHO.
>> Good luck.
>>
>>
>
>

Re: Honda vs Toyota ??
 

In article <0xOle.2286$uu.243@newssvr33.news.prodigy.com>,
"hondaman" <jeffscomp@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

> toyotas are junk. get a honda they have higher resale value.

um, no and no...

Re: Honda vs Toyota ??
 

In article <0xOle.2286$uu.243@newssvr33.news.prodigy.com>,
"hondaman" <jeffscomp@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

> toyotas are junk. get a honda they have higher resale value.

um, no and no...

Re: Honda vs Toyota ??
 

"Shawn Taylor" <accordpower99@cox.net> wrote in message
news:sexke.3330$%Z2.865@lakeread08...
> agree get a honda
> "twfsa" <uksatw@qwest.net> wrote in message
> news:l7tke.16$8A4.5@lakeread07...
>> Audi, isn't that a Volkswagen, terrible reliability.
>>
>> Tom
>>
>>
>> "ja" <__jame_sayton@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
>> news:clpke.23130$CR5.18828@bignews1.bellsouth.net. ..
>> > Check out the Audi A6. Very reliable and a thrill to drive.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > "Henry Kolesnik" <kolesnik@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
>> > news:w3mke.500$TJ2.5@newssvr11.news.prodigy.com...
>> >> It seems to me like these two companies make the best cars. I'm
> retired
>> > and
>> >> need to get a good four door and my main concerns are reliabliity, low
>> > cost
>> >> maintenance and initial cost. I would consider a year or two year old
>> > also.
>> >> I hear of Honda Civics going to 300,000 miles with few problems. Which
> is
>> >> better, the Accord or the Camry or did I miss one?
>> >>
>> >> --
>> >>
>> >> 73
>> >> Hank WD5JFR
>> >>
>> >>
I don't think you can really go wrong with either a Honda or Toyota. I have
had many Toyota's and they have all been rock solid reliable. Just bought
my first Honda (2005 Pilot) today so we will see if their reputation holds
up. Another car you might want to consider is Nissan Maxima. I had a
Maxima for eight years and 128,000 miles and never had to do ANYTHING to it
other than routine maintenance (oil changes,brake pads,etc.). I would still
have it if it had not been totaled in an accident . If you look at JD
Powers quality and reliability rankings Toyota has better initial quality
scores but Honda has a slight edge in long term dependability ranking. I
think with the quality level here you would not go wrong with any of these
choices and it comes down to personal preference of styling, layout, fun to
drive, proximity to dealer, which dealer will make a better deal, etc.

Others to consider:
Infiniti G35
Hyundai Sonata
Nissan Altima

Brett Rohlfing

Re: Honda vs Toyota ??
 

"Shawn Taylor" <accordpower99@cox.net> wrote in message
news:sexke.3330$%Z2.865@lakeread08...
> agree get a honda
> "twfsa" <uksatw@qwest.net> wrote in message
> news:l7tke.16$8A4.5@lakeread07...
>> Audi, isn't that a Volkswagen, terrible reliability.
>>
>> Tom
>>
>>
>> "ja" <__jame_sayton@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
>> news:clpke.23130$CR5.18828@bignews1.bellsouth.net. ..
>> > Check out the Audi A6. Very reliable and a thrill to drive.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > "Henry Kolesnik" <kolesnik@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
>> > news:w3mke.500$TJ2.5@newssvr11.news.prodigy.com...
>> >> It seems to me like these two companies make the best cars. I'm
> retired
>> > and
>> >> need to get a good four door and my main concerns are reliabliity, low
>> > cost
>> >> maintenance and initial cost. I would consider a year or two year old
>> > also.
>> >> I hear of Honda Civics going to 300,000 miles with few problems. Which
> is
>> >> better, the Accord or the Camry or did I miss one?
>> >>
>> >> --
>> >>
>> >> 73
>> >> Hank WD5JFR
>> >>
>> >>
I don't think you can really go wrong with either a Honda or Toyota. I have
had many Toyota's and they have all been rock solid reliable. Just bought
my first Honda (2005 Pilot) today so we will see if their reputation holds
up. Another car you might want to consider is Nissan Maxima. I had a
Maxima for eight years and 128,000 miles and never had to do ANYTHING to it
other than routine maintenance (oil changes,brake pads,etc.). I would still
have it if it had not been totaled in an accident . If you look at JD
Powers quality and reliability rankings Toyota has better initial quality
scores but Honda has a slight edge in long term dependability ranking. I
think with the quality level here you would not go wrong with any of these
choices and it comes down to personal preference of styling, layout, fun to
drive, proximity to dealer, which dealer will make a better deal, etc.

Others to consider:
Infiniti G35
Hyundai Sonata
Nissan Altima

Brett Rohlfing

Re: Honda vs Toyota ??
 

In article <elmop-FEA536.05063228052005@nntp3.usenetserver.com>, "Elmo P.
Shagnasty" <elmop@nastydesigns.com> wrote:

> In article <0xOle.2286$uu.243@newssvr33.news.prodigy.com>,
> "hondaman" <jeffscomp@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>
> > toyotas are junk. get a honda they have higher resale value.
>
> um, no and no...

Someone mentioned the exhaust pipes on new Toyota Cambry cars. He said
that they look terrible. The following day after I read his post, I was
behind a new Toyota Cambry while driving down a local road. The poster was
right. One section of the exhaust pipe was really close to the road. It's
amazing that Toyota enginers did not do a better job related to the
exhaust system.

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Re: Honda vs Toyota ??
 

In article <elmop-FEA536.05063228052005@nntp3.usenetserver.com>, "Elmo P.
Shagnasty" <elmop@nastydesigns.com> wrote:

> In article <0xOle.2286$uu.243@newssvr33.news.prodigy.com>,
> "hondaman" <jeffscomp@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>
> > toyotas are junk. get a honda they have higher resale value.
>
> um, no and no...

Someone mentioned the exhaust pipes on new Toyota Cambry cars. He said
that they look terrible. The following day after I read his post, I was
behind a new Toyota Cambry while driving down a local road. The poster was
right. One section of the exhaust pipe was really close to the road. It's
amazing that Toyota enginers did not do a better job related to the
exhaust system.

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Re: Honda vs Toyota ??
 

"Brett W. Rohlfing" <brett.rohlfing@verizon.net> wrote in message
news:LYZle.3389$zb.2670@trndny02...
> I don't think you can really go wrong with either a Honda or Toyota. I
> have had many Toyota's and they have all been rock solid reliable. Just
> bought my first Honda (2005 Pilot) today so we will see if their
> reputation holds up. Another car you might want to consider is Nissan
> Maxima. I had a Maxima for eight years and 128,000 miles and never had to
> do ANYTHING to it other than routine maintenance (oil changes,brake
> pads,etc.). I would still have it if it had not been totaled in an
> accident . If you look at JD Powers quality and reliability rankings
> Toyota has better initial quality scores but Honda has a slight edge in
> long term dependability ranking. I think with the quality level here you
> would not go wrong with any of these choices and it comes down to personal
> preference of styling, layout, fun to drive, proximity to dealer, which
> dealer will make a better deal, etc.
>
> Others to consider:
> Infiniti G35
> Hyundai Sonata
> Nissan Altima
>
> Brett Rohlfing
>
I'm soured on Nissan as the '84 300ZX we traded for the Toyota was nothing
but trouble. I bought it at 115K miles and it was pretty good for a couple
years. Then the electrical system became a bundle of intermittents. I fixed
a dozen of them or so (three lighting, one immobilizer, one ignition, one
window switch, one fuel pump control, one at the ECU, and a few others) but
there were two that were still making life miserable when we traded the car
away around 150K miles. At that point I was working on it at least once a
week and had the intake plemum off about once a month. In comparison my
daughter's '93 Accord LX is well over 200K and I have to pry it out of her
hands to do the routine service. My '85 turbo Volvo is still a reliable
daily driver at 235K (in spite of the interior disintegrating.)

Mike

Re: Honda vs Toyota ??
 

"Brett W. Rohlfing" <brett.rohlfing@verizon.net> wrote in message
news:LYZle.3389$zb.2670@trndny02...
> I don't think you can really go wrong with either a Honda or Toyota. I
> have had many Toyota's and they have all been rock solid reliable. Just
> bought my first Honda (2005 Pilot) today so we will see if their
> reputation holds up. Another car you might want to consider is Nissan
> Maxima. I had a Maxima for eight years and 128,000 miles and never had to
> do ANYTHING to it other than routine maintenance (oil changes,brake
> pads,etc.). I would still have it if it had not been totaled in an
> accident . If you look at JD Powers quality and reliability rankings
> Toyota has better initial quality scores but Honda has a slight edge in
> long term dependability ranking. I think with the quality level here you
> would not go wrong with any of these choices and it comes down to personal
> preference of styling, layout, fun to drive, proximity to dealer, which
> dealer will make a better deal, etc.
>
> Others to consider:
> Infiniti G35
> Hyundai Sonata
> Nissan Altima
>
> Brett Rohlfing
>
I'm soured on Nissan as the '84 300ZX we traded for the Toyota was nothing
but trouble. I bought it at 115K miles and it was pretty good for a couple
years. Then the electrical system became a bundle of intermittents. I fixed
a dozen of them or so (three lighting, one immobilizer, one ignition, one
window switch, one fuel pump control, one at the ECU, and a few others) but
there were two that were still making life miserable when we traded the car
away around 150K miles. At that point I was working on it at least once a
week and had the intake plemum off about once a month. In comparison my
daughter's '93 Accord LX is well over 200K and I have to pry it out of her
hands to do the routine service. My '85 turbo Volvo is still a reliable
daily driver at 235K (in spite of the interior disintegrating.)

Mike

Re: Honda vs Toyota ??
 

Jason wrote:
> In article <elmop-FEA536.05063228052005@nntp3.usenetserver.com>, "Elmo P.
> Shagnasty" <elmop@nastydesigns.com> wrote:
>
>
>>In article <0xOle.2286$uu.243@newssvr33.news.prodigy.com>,
>> "hondaman" <jeffscomp@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>toyotas are junk. get a honda they have higher resale value.
>>
>>um, no and no...
>
>
> Someone mentioned the exhaust pipes on new Toyota Cambry cars. He said
> that they look terrible. The following day after I read his post, I was
> behind a new Toyota Cambry while driving down a local road. The poster was
> right. One section of the exhaust pipe was really close to the road. It's
> amazing that Toyota enginers did not do a better job related to the
> exhaust system.
>
if you get up underneath & measure, the pipe is parallel with the road,
it doesn't dip. it /looks/ like it from behind because of the way it's
routed, but it's an optical illusion. and it's actually better than a
honda mdx, which really /does/ dip down.

Re: Honda vs Toyota ??
 

Jason wrote:
> In article <elmop-FEA536.05063228052005@nntp3.usenetserver.com>, "Elmo P.
> Shagnasty" <elmop@nastydesigns.com> wrote:
>
>
>>In article <0xOle.2286$uu.243@newssvr33.news.prodigy.com>,
>> "hondaman" <jeffscomp@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>toyotas are junk. get a honda they have higher resale value.
>>
>>um, no and no...
>
>
> Someone mentioned the exhaust pipes on new Toyota Cambry cars. He said
> that they look terrible. The following day after I read his post, I was
> behind a new Toyota Cambry while driving down a local road. The poster was
> right. One section of the exhaust pipe was really close to the road. It's
> amazing that Toyota enginers did not do a better job related to the
> exhaust system.
>
if you get up underneath & measure, the pipe is parallel with the road,
it doesn't dip. it /looks/ like it from behind because of the way it's
routed, but it's an optical illusion. and it's actually better than a
honda mdx, which really /does/ dip down.

Re: Honda vs Toyota ??
 

"Michael Pardee" <michaeltnull@cybertrails.com> wrote in message
news:n-SdnaBzirHvKgXfRVn-1w@sedona.net...
> "Brett W. Rohlfing" <brett.rohlfing@verizon.net> wrote in message
> news:LYZle.3389$zb.2670@trndny02...
>> I don't think you can really go wrong with either a Honda or Toyota. I
>> have had many Toyota's and they have all been rock solid reliable. Just
>> bought my first Honda (2005 Pilot) today so we will see if their
>> reputation holds up. Another car you might want to consider is Nissan
>> Maxima. I had a Maxima for eight years and 128,000 miles and never had
>> to do ANYTHING to it other than routine maintenance (oil changes,brake
>> pads,etc.). I would still have it if it had not been totaled in an
>> accident . If you look at JD Powers quality and reliability rankings
>> Toyota has better initial quality scores but Honda has a slight edge in
>> long term dependability ranking. I think with the quality level here you
>> would not go wrong with any of these choices and it comes down to
>> personal preference of styling, layout, fun to drive, proximity to
>> dealer, which dealer will make a better deal, etc.
>>
>> Others to consider:
>> Infiniti G35
>> Hyundai Sonata
>> Nissan Altima
>>
>> Brett Rohlfing
>>
> I'm soured on Nissan as the '84 300ZX we traded for the Toyota was nothing
> but trouble. I bought it at 115K miles and it was pretty good for a couple
> years. Then the electrical system became a bundle of intermittents. I
> fixed a dozen of them or so (three lighting, one immobilizer, one
> ignition, one window switch, one fuel pump control, one at the ECU, and a
> few others) but there were two that were still making life miserable when
> we traded the car away around 150K miles. At that point I was working on
> it at least once a week and had the intake plemum off about once a month.
> In comparison my daughter's '93 Accord LX is well over 200K and I have to
> pry it out of her hands to do the routine service. My '85 turbo Volvo is
> still a reliable daily driver at 235K (in spite of the interior
> disintegrating.)
>
> Mike
>
You bought a car with 115K miles on it and it was good for a couple of
years....and this is a bad thing??? The other difference I see is that a
300ZX being the type of car it is, is more likely to have been abused or at
least have hard driven miles on it after 115k+ miles.

Brett Rohlfing