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98' Camaro 10-24-2004 01:05 AM

Hondas SUCK!
 
I like to come to alt.autos.honda- I don't own a Honda (and thank God,
after reading all these posts of what's going wrong with them.) The
reason I like to come to the Honda message board is because: I have
NEVER seen anyone in so much defense of their vehicles, as Honda owners
are. Is it because you realize that Hondas are junk (which, would appear
you do, from the wide array of posts of what has gone wrong with
Hondas?) Now, I realize that SOME (notice I said "some") Hondas can beat
a Camaro of ANY type- stock or not- which is fine (I could careless,
really.) However, when it comes to which vehicle is "junk," take a look
at your very own board: alt.autos.honda.


john 10-24-2004 06:55 AM

Re: Hondas SUCK!
 
98' Camaro wrote:
> I like to come to alt.autos.honda- I don't own a Honda (and thank God,
> after reading all these posts of what's going wrong with them.) The
> reason I like to come to the Honda message board is because: I have
> NEVER seen anyone in so much defense of their vehicles, as Honda owners
> are. Is it because you realize that Hondas are junk (which, would appear
> you do, from the wide array of posts of what has gone wrong with
> Hondas?) Now, I realize that SOME (notice I said "some") Hondas can beat
> a Camaro of ANY type- stock or not- which is fine (I could careless,
> really.) However, when it comes to which vehicle is "junk," take a look
> at your very own board: alt.autos.honda.
>


Since this was not crossposted I feel comfortable to reply.

Friends of mine have vets camoros mustangs and other muscle low-rev
torque developing engine cars, even subaru wrx is low-rev torque engine
compared to most honda products.

They are all nice car if you enjoy them, if I was richer, I would own
most of them a take a drive on a different one depending on how I feel.

I have been following honda for years and what I like about honda is
that they are usally ligther than any other car in their category, do
not need turbos to compete with the cars in the same category, and
reminds me my motocross bike when I drive around town.

Yes, not much torque, high hp at high rev with low weight/hp ratio,
reminds me a little of a formula car ;-)

On that matter, I am glad honda is doing better with BAR in F-1. Which
F-1 team uses camaro engine already ? ;-)

-john





john 10-24-2004 06:55 AM

Re: Hondas SUCK!
 
98' Camaro wrote:
> I like to come to alt.autos.honda- I don't own a Honda (and thank God,
> after reading all these posts of what's going wrong with them.) The
> reason I like to come to the Honda message board is because: I have
> NEVER seen anyone in so much defense of their vehicles, as Honda owners
> are. Is it because you realize that Hondas are junk (which, would appear
> you do, from the wide array of posts of what has gone wrong with
> Hondas?) Now, I realize that SOME (notice I said "some") Hondas can beat
> a Camaro of ANY type- stock or not- which is fine (I could careless,
> really.) However, when it comes to which vehicle is "junk," take a look
> at your very own board: alt.autos.honda.
>


Since this was not crossposted I feel comfortable to reply.

Friends of mine have vets camoros mustangs and other muscle low-rev
torque developing engine cars, even subaru wrx is low-rev torque engine
compared to most honda products.

They are all nice car if you enjoy them, if I was richer, I would own
most of them a take a drive on a different one depending on how I feel.

I have been following honda for years and what I like about honda is
that they are usally ligther than any other car in their category, do
not need turbos to compete with the cars in the same category, and
reminds me my motocross bike when I drive around town.

Yes, not much torque, high hp at high rev with low weight/hp ratio,
reminds me a little of a formula car ;-)

On that matter, I am glad honda is doing better with BAR in F-1. Which
F-1 team uses camaro engine already ? ;-)

-john





Larry B 10-24-2004 08:20 AM

Re: Hondas SUCK!
 

"98' Camaro" <icruzn@webtv.net> wrote in message
news:7993-417B380C-120@storefull-3175.bay.webtv.net...
> I like to come to alt.autos.honda- I don't own a Honda (and thank God,
> after reading all these posts of what's going wrong with them.) The
> reason I like to come to the Honda message board is because: I have
> NEVER seen anyone in so much defense of their vehicles, as Honda owners
> are. Is it because you realize that Hondas are junk (which, would appear
> you do, from the wide array of posts of what has gone wrong with
> Hondas?) Now, I realize that SOME (notice I said "some") Hondas can beat
> a Camaro of ANY type- stock or not- which is fine (I could careless,
> really.) However, when it comes to which vehicle is "junk," take a look
> at your very own board: alt.autos.honda.
>


You need to recognize that you are looking at a board that focuses on
solving problems. So, that is predominantly what your are going to find when
you come here. Considering that there a seemingly millions of Hondas out
there driving billions of miles and that this board seems to get under ten
new threads a day, I'd say that an extremely high level of build quality is
indicated.



Larry B 10-24-2004 08:20 AM

Re: Hondas SUCK!
 

"98' Camaro" <icruzn@webtv.net> wrote in message
news:7993-417B380C-120@storefull-3175.bay.webtv.net...
> I like to come to alt.autos.honda- I don't own a Honda (and thank God,
> after reading all these posts of what's going wrong with them.) The
> reason I like to come to the Honda message board is because: I have
> NEVER seen anyone in so much defense of their vehicles, as Honda owners
> are. Is it because you realize that Hondas are junk (which, would appear
> you do, from the wide array of posts of what has gone wrong with
> Hondas?) Now, I realize that SOME (notice I said "some") Hondas can beat
> a Camaro of ANY type- stock or not- which is fine (I could careless,
> really.) However, when it comes to which vehicle is "junk," take a look
> at your very own board: alt.autos.honda.
>


You need to recognize that you are looking at a board that focuses on
solving problems. So, that is predominantly what your are going to find when
you come here. Considering that there a seemingly millions of Hondas out
there driving billions of miles and that this board seems to get under ten
new threads a day, I'd say that an extremely high level of build quality is
indicated.



Elmo P. Shagnasty 10-24-2004 08:40 AM

Re: Hondas SUCK!
 
In article <J6Ned.5583$KJ6.2156@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink. net>,
"Larry B" <hatespam@hatespam.gov> wrote:

> this board seems to get under ten
> new threads a day, I'd say that an extremely high level of build quality is
> indicated.


As opposed to the Camaro boards--which, while also getting fewer than
ten new threads a day, are filled with complete illiterates. And that
explains their lack of activity. If you can't read or write, you tend
not to go to places like that.


Elmo P. Shagnasty 10-24-2004 08:40 AM

Re: Hondas SUCK!
 
In article <J6Ned.5583$KJ6.2156@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink. net>,
"Larry B" <hatespam@hatespam.gov> wrote:

> this board seems to get under ten
> new threads a day, I'd say that an extremely high level of build quality is
> indicated.


As opposed to the Camaro boards--which, while also getting fewer than
ten new threads a day, are filled with complete illiterates. And that
explains their lack of activity. If you can't read or write, you tend
not to go to places like that.


Grumpy au Contraire 10-24-2004 10:14 AM

Re: Hondas SUCK!
 


98' Camaro wrote:
>
> I like to come to alt.autos.honda- I don't own a Honda (and thank God,
> after reading all these posts of what's going wrong with them.) The
> reason I like to come to the Honda message board is because: I have
> NEVER seen anyone in so much defense of their vehicles, as Honda owners
> are. Is it because you realize that Hondas are junk (which, would appear
> you do, from the wide array of posts of what has gone wrong with
> Hondas?) Now, I realize that SOME (notice I said "some") Hondas can beat
> a Camaro of ANY type- stock or not- which is fine (I could careless,
> really.) However, when it comes to which vehicle is "junk," take a look
> at your very own board: alt.autos.honda.




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--
JT

Just tooling through cyberspace in my ancient G4

Grumpy au Contraire 10-24-2004 10:14 AM

Re: Hondas SUCK!
 


98' Camaro wrote:
>
> I like to come to alt.autos.honda- I don't own a Honda (and thank God,
> after reading all these posts of what's going wrong with them.) The
> reason I like to come to the Honda message board is because: I have
> NEVER seen anyone in so much defense of their vehicles, as Honda owners
> are. Is it because you realize that Hondas are junk (which, would appear
> you do, from the wide array of posts of what has gone wrong with
> Hondas?) Now, I realize that SOME (notice I said "some") Hondas can beat
> a Camaro of ANY type- stock or not- which is fine (I could careless,
> really.) However, when it comes to which vehicle is "junk," take a look
> at your very own board: alt.autos.honda.




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--
JT

Just tooling through cyberspace in my ancient G4

J. Perry 10-24-2004 10:14 AM

Re: Hondas SUCK!
 
"98' Camaro" <icruzn@webtv.net> wrote in message
news:7993-417B380C-120@storefull-3175.bay.webtv.net...
> I like to come to alt.autos.honda- I don't own a Honda (and thank God,
> after reading all these posts of what's going wrong with them.) The
> reason I like to come to the Honda message board is because: I have
> NEVER seen anyone in so much defense of their vehicles, as Honda owners
> are. Is it because you realize that Hondas are junk (which, would appear
> you do, from the wide array of posts of what has gone wrong with
> Hondas?) Now, I realize that SOME (notice I said "some") Hondas can beat
> a Camaro of ANY type- stock or not- which is fine (I could careless,
> really.) However, when it comes to which vehicle is "junk," take a look
> at your very own board: alt.autos.honda.


Obviously this post is from an imbecilic, foolish troll. No human being in
their right mind would even remotely think about comparing GM's Chevrolet
product line's overall quality to that of Honda's. That's probably one of
the most absurd comparisons in the history of the automotive industry. How
many Camaros do you see on the road today compared to the number of Accords
and Civics alone? Do you think all of these Accord and Civic drivers have
purchased their vehicles due to their reputations as being junk as you
stated? FOOL! I've visited several of your beloved GM boards and the myriad
problems reported there are downright scary. Same for Edmunds.com. Sure
Honda has their fare share of problems too, but over the years Honda has
developed a reputation for making high quality cars. The same simply cannot
be said for 'The Heartbeat of America', 'Like A Rock' Chevrolet product
line. Like a rock, right, their resale value drops like a rock compared to
Hondas!!!

Oh, want to talk about speed? Take a look at how many Honda engines were
used in the top 6 finishers' cars at Indy this year. I rest my case--FOOL!

J. Perry



J. Perry 10-24-2004 10:14 AM

Re: Hondas SUCK!
 
"98' Camaro" <icruzn@webtv.net> wrote in message
news:7993-417B380C-120@storefull-3175.bay.webtv.net...
> I like to come to alt.autos.honda- I don't own a Honda (and thank God,
> after reading all these posts of what's going wrong with them.) The
> reason I like to come to the Honda message board is because: I have
> NEVER seen anyone in so much defense of their vehicles, as Honda owners
> are. Is it because you realize that Hondas are junk (which, would appear
> you do, from the wide array of posts of what has gone wrong with
> Hondas?) Now, I realize that SOME (notice I said "some") Hondas can beat
> a Camaro of ANY type- stock or not- which is fine (I could careless,
> really.) However, when it comes to which vehicle is "junk," take a look
> at your very own board: alt.autos.honda.


Obviously this post is from an imbecilic, foolish troll. No human being in
their right mind would even remotely think about comparing GM's Chevrolet
product line's overall quality to that of Honda's. That's probably one of
the most absurd comparisons in the history of the automotive industry. How
many Camaros do you see on the road today compared to the number of Accords
and Civics alone? Do you think all of these Accord and Civic drivers have
purchased their vehicles due to their reputations as being junk as you
stated? FOOL! I've visited several of your beloved GM boards and the myriad
problems reported there are downright scary. Same for Edmunds.com. Sure
Honda has their fare share of problems too, but over the years Honda has
developed a reputation for making high quality cars. The same simply cannot
be said for 'The Heartbeat of America', 'Like A Rock' Chevrolet product
line. Like a rock, right, their resale value drops like a rock compared to
Hondas!!!

Oh, want to talk about speed? Take a look at how many Honda engines were
used in the top 6 finishers' cars at Indy this year. I rest my case--FOOL!

J. Perry



Grumpy au Contraire 10-24-2004 10:16 AM

Re: Hondas SUCK!
 


"Elmo P. Shagnasty" wrote:
>
> In article <J6Ned.5583$KJ6.2156@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink. net>,
> "Larry B" <hatespam@hatespam.gov> wrote:
>
> > this board seems to get under ten
> > new threads a day, I'd say that an extremely high level of build quality is
> > indicated.

>
> As opposed to the Camaro boards--which, while also getting fewer than
> ten new threads a day, are filled with complete illiterates. And that
> explains their lack of activity. If you can't read or write, you tend
> not to go to places like that.





Fewer than ten a day, eh?

Brings tears to my old eyes... As I chiefly hang out in
alt.autos.studebaker where the posts number at least a couple hundred
daily and we're reasonably civilized too...



--
JT

Just tooling through cyberspace in my ancient G4

Grumpy au Contraire 10-24-2004 10:16 AM

Re: Hondas SUCK!
 


"Elmo P. Shagnasty" wrote:
>
> In article <J6Ned.5583$KJ6.2156@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink. net>,
> "Larry B" <hatespam@hatespam.gov> wrote:
>
> > this board seems to get under ten
> > new threads a day, I'd say that an extremely high level of build quality is
> > indicated.

>
> As opposed to the Camaro boards--which, while also getting fewer than
> ten new threads a day, are filled with complete illiterates. And that
> explains their lack of activity. If you can't read or write, you tend
> not to go to places like that.





Fewer than ten a day, eh?

Brings tears to my old eyes... As I chiefly hang out in
alt.autos.studebaker where the posts number at least a couple hundred
daily and we're reasonably civilized too...



--
JT

Just tooling through cyberspace in my ancient G4

Chris 10-24-2004 10:35 AM

Re: Hondas SUCK!
 
ATTENTION ALL HONDA OWNERS:
Due to the insidious content of the post from '98 Camaro, please realize
that it needs no response:
=> Firstly, it's likely from a disgruntled Chevy/Ford/CRYsler owner that is
simply trying to get a reaction from a group where the RESEARCH DATA states
exactly the opposite of his/her claims;
=> Secondly, he/she is likely a member of the F.E.S. (ie: Flat Earth
Society).


"98' Camaro" <icruzn@webtv.net> wrote in message
news:7993-417B380C-120@storefull-3175.bay.webtv.net...
>I like to come to alt.autos.honda- I don't own a Honda (and thank God,
> after reading all these posts of what's going wrong with them.) The
> reason I like to come to the Honda message board is because: I have
> NEVER seen anyone in so much defense of their vehicles, as Honda owners
> are. Is it because you realize that Hondas are junk (which, would appear
> you do, from the wide array of posts of what has gone wrong with
> Hondas?) Now, I realize that SOME (notice I said "some") Hondas can beat
> a Camaro of ANY type- stock or not- which is fine (I could careless,
> really.) However, when it comes to which vehicle is "junk," take a look
> at your very own board: alt.autos.honda.
>




Chris 10-24-2004 10:35 AM

Re: Hondas SUCK!
 
ATTENTION ALL HONDA OWNERS:
Due to the insidious content of the post from '98 Camaro, please realize
that it needs no response:
=> Firstly, it's likely from a disgruntled Chevy/Ford/CRYsler owner that is
simply trying to get a reaction from a group where the RESEARCH DATA states
exactly the opposite of his/her claims;
=> Secondly, he/she is likely a member of the F.E.S. (ie: Flat Earth
Society).


"98' Camaro" <icruzn@webtv.net> wrote in message
news:7993-417B380C-120@storefull-3175.bay.webtv.net...
>I like to come to alt.autos.honda- I don't own a Honda (and thank God,
> after reading all these posts of what's going wrong with them.) The
> reason I like to come to the Honda message board is because: I have
> NEVER seen anyone in so much defense of their vehicles, as Honda owners
> are. Is it because you realize that Hondas are junk (which, would appear
> you do, from the wide array of posts of what has gone wrong with
> Hondas?) Now, I realize that SOME (notice I said "some") Hondas can beat
> a Camaro of ANY type- stock or not- which is fine (I could careless,
> really.) However, when it comes to which vehicle is "junk," take a look
> at your very own board: alt.autos.honda.
>




zonie 10-24-2004 12:53 PM

Re: Hondas SUCK!
 
I have worked in a chevy dealership part dept for 33 years , and that is
probably the reasons we drive Hondas, As far as performance, a 5700 cc v-8
should be able to out run a 2400 cc Accord like mine. I have had some junk
cars in my life too-- all of them had bow-ties on the front, the camaro is
such a good car that they do not build the piece of crap anymore, Ha.
Hondas are just too far advanced for your mind to understand. One day you
will see the error of your ways and buy something decent, if you dont get
hurt trying to push that chevy out of the road


zonie 10-24-2004 12:53 PM

Re: Hondas SUCK!
 
I have worked in a chevy dealership part dept for 33 years , and that is
probably the reasons we drive Hondas, As far as performance, a 5700 cc v-8
should be able to out run a 2400 cc Accord like mine. I have had some junk
cars in my life too-- all of them had bow-ties on the front, the camaro is
such a good car that they do not build the piece of crap anymore, Ha.
Hondas are just too far advanced for your mind to understand. One day you
will see the error of your ways and buy something decent, if you dont get
hurt trying to push that chevy out of the road


RAO 10-24-2004 04:11 PM

Re: Hondas SUCK!
 
I own a Honda Accord LX 98 with 72,000 KM on it; most of my driving is done
in downtown Ottawa Canada, I drive my car six to seven days a week. Recently
I had a type3 inspection done on my car.

The result of the inspection indicate 40% left on the front brakes and 70%
on the rear brakes, by the way these are the original brakes, maybe I should
also mention that everything else is original (muffler, shocks,
transmission, tires etc).

I just follow the regular schedule inspection , oil changes ($30.00 can) and
wiper blades refill ($5.00 can) twice a year. This car will be in its 7th
winter and believe me the weather condition are very harsh down here. My car
still runs flawless and is in perfect condition. There is no rattle inside
the car or wind noise on the highway etc.

It always starts immediately on the first attempt it's cheap on gas and is
corrosion free, would you describe this car as a peace of junk or a very
reliable car!



By the way 98' camaro there is a good chance that your car was build in
Bromont Quebec Canada, further more we bought our in 1998, do you seriously
think that your car has maintain the same value as mine! I don't think so.





R.A.O





"98' Camaro" <icruzn@webtv.net> wrote in message
news:7993-417B380C-120@storefull-3175.bay.webtv.net...
>I like to come to alt.autos.honda- I don't own a Honda (and thank God,
> after reading all these posts of what's going wrong with them.) The
> reason I like to come to the Honda message board is because: I have
> NEVER seen anyone in so much defense of their vehicles, as Honda owners
> are. Is it because you realize that Hondas are junk (which, would appear
> you do, from the wide array of posts of what has gone wrong with
> Hondas?) Now, I realize that SOME (notice I said "some") Hondas can beat
> a Camaro of ANY type- stock or not- which is fine (I could careless,
> really.) However, when it comes to which vehicle is "junk," take a look
> at your very own board: alt.autos.honda.
>




RAO 10-24-2004 04:11 PM

Re: Hondas SUCK!
 
I own a Honda Accord LX 98 with 72,000 KM on it; most of my driving is done
in downtown Ottawa Canada, I drive my car six to seven days a week. Recently
I had a type3 inspection done on my car.

The result of the inspection indicate 40% left on the front brakes and 70%
on the rear brakes, by the way these are the original brakes, maybe I should
also mention that everything else is original (muffler, shocks,
transmission, tires etc).

I just follow the regular schedule inspection , oil changes ($30.00 can) and
wiper blades refill ($5.00 can) twice a year. This car will be in its 7th
winter and believe me the weather condition are very harsh down here. My car
still runs flawless and is in perfect condition. There is no rattle inside
the car or wind noise on the highway etc.

It always starts immediately on the first attempt it's cheap on gas and is
corrosion free, would you describe this car as a peace of junk or a very
reliable car!



By the way 98' camaro there is a good chance that your car was build in
Bromont Quebec Canada, further more we bought our in 1998, do you seriously
think that your car has maintain the same value as mine! I don't think so.





R.A.O





"98' Camaro" <icruzn@webtv.net> wrote in message
news:7993-417B380C-120@storefull-3175.bay.webtv.net...
>I like to come to alt.autos.honda- I don't own a Honda (and thank God,
> after reading all these posts of what's going wrong with them.) The
> reason I like to come to the Honda message board is because: I have
> NEVER seen anyone in so much defense of their vehicles, as Honda owners
> are. Is it because you realize that Hondas are junk (which, would appear
> you do, from the wide array of posts of what has gone wrong with
> Hondas?) Now, I realize that SOME (notice I said "some") Hondas can beat
> a Camaro of ANY type- stock or not- which is fine (I could careless,
> really.) However, when it comes to which vehicle is "junk," take a look
> at your very own board: alt.autos.honda.
>




Robert Mozeleski 10-24-2004 06:54 PM

Re: Hondas SUCK!
 
The funny thing is, you're posting from web tv...hahahahaha.

"98' Camaro" <icruzn@webtv.net> wrote in message news:7993-417B380C-120@storefull-3175.bay.webtv.net...
> I like to come to alt.autos.honda- I don't own a Honda (and thank God,
> after reading all these posts of what's going wrong with them.) The
> reason I like to come to the Honda message board is because: I have
> NEVER seen anyone in so much defense of their vehicles, as Honda owners
> are. Is it because you realize that Hondas are junk (which, would appear
> you do, from the wide array of posts of what has gone wrong with
> Hondas?) Now, I realize that SOME (notice I said "some") Hondas can beat
> a Camaro of ANY type- stock or not- which is fine (I could careless,
> really.) However, when it comes to which vehicle is "junk," take a look
> at your very own board: alt.autos.honda.
>




Robert Mozeleski 10-24-2004 06:54 PM

Re: Hondas SUCK!
 
The funny thing is, you're posting from web tv...hahahahaha.

"98' Camaro" <icruzn@webtv.net> wrote in message news:7993-417B380C-120@storefull-3175.bay.webtv.net...
> I like to come to alt.autos.honda- I don't own a Honda (and thank God,
> after reading all these posts of what's going wrong with them.) The
> reason I like to come to the Honda message board is because: I have
> NEVER seen anyone in so much defense of their vehicles, as Honda owners
> are. Is it because you realize that Hondas are junk (which, would appear
> you do, from the wide array of posts of what has gone wrong with
> Hondas?) Now, I realize that SOME (notice I said "some") Hondas can beat
> a Camaro of ANY type- stock or not- which is fine (I could careless,
> really.) However, when it comes to which vehicle is "junk," take a look
> at your very own board: alt.autos.honda.
>




Grumpy au Contraire 10-24-2004 07:51 PM

Re: Hondas SUCK!
 
Geeeeeeeeez, give the poor sack a break...

<G>

JT




Robert Mozeleski wrote:
>
> The funny thing is, you're posting from web tv...hahahahaha.
>
> "98' Camaro" <icruzn@webtv.net> wrote in message news:7993-417B380C-120@storefull-3175.bay.webtv.net...
> > I like to come to alt.autos.honda- I don't own a Honda (and thank God,
> > after reading all these posts of what's going wrong with them.) The
> > reason I like to come to the Honda message board is because: I have
> > NEVER seen anyone in so much defense of their vehicles, as Honda owners
> > are. Is it because you realize that Hondas are junk (which, would appear
> > you do, from the wide array of posts of what has gone wrong with
> > Hondas?) Now, I realize that SOME (notice I said "some") Hondas can beat
> > a Camaro of ANY type- stock or not- which is fine (I could careless,
> > really.) However, when it comes to which vehicle is "junk," take a look
> > at your very own board: alt.autos.honda.
> >


-

Grumpy au Contraire 10-24-2004 07:51 PM

Re: Hondas SUCK!
 
Geeeeeeeeez, give the poor sack a break...

<G>

JT




Robert Mozeleski wrote:
>
> The funny thing is, you're posting from web tv...hahahahaha.
>
> "98' Camaro" <icruzn@webtv.net> wrote in message news:7993-417B380C-120@storefull-3175.bay.webtv.net...
> > I like to come to alt.autos.honda- I don't own a Honda (and thank God,
> > after reading all these posts of what's going wrong with them.) The
> > reason I like to come to the Honda message board is because: I have
> > NEVER seen anyone in so much defense of their vehicles, as Honda owners
> > are. Is it because you realize that Hondas are junk (which, would appear
> > you do, from the wide array of posts of what has gone wrong with
> > Hondas?) Now, I realize that SOME (notice I said "some") Hondas can beat
> > a Camaro of ANY type- stock or not- which is fine (I could careless,
> > really.) However, when it comes to which vehicle is "junk," take a look
> > at your very own board: alt.autos.honda.
> >


-

Jason 10-24-2004 08:40 PM

Re: Hondas SUCK!
 
In article <SSLed.102$Qs6.11183@news20.bellglobal.com>, john
<rsx1877@mistralaero.com> wrote:

> 98' Camaro wrote:
> > I like to come to alt.autos.honda- I don't own a Honda (and thank God,
> > after reading all these posts of what's going wrong with them.) The
> > reason I like to come to the Honda message board is because: I have
> > NEVER seen anyone in so much defense of their vehicles, as Honda owners
> > are. Is it because you realize that Hondas are junk (which, would appear
> > you do, from the wide array of posts of what has gone wrong with
> > Hondas?) Now, I realize that SOME (notice I said "some") Hondas can beat
> > a Camaro of ANY type- stock or not- which is fine (I could careless,
> > really.) However, when it comes to which vehicle is "junk," take a look
> > at your very own board: alt.autos.honda.
> >

>
> Since this was not crossposted I feel comfortable to reply.
>
> Friends of mine have vets camoros mustangs and other muscle low-rev
> torque developing engine cars, even subaru wrx is low-rev torque engine
> compared to most honda products.
>
> They are all nice car if you enjoy them, if I was richer, I would own
> most of them a take a drive on a different one depending on how I feel.
>
> I have been following honda for years and what I like about honda is
> that they are usally ligther than any other car in their category, do
> not need turbos to compete with the cars in the same category, and
> reminds me my motocross bike when I drive around town.
>
> Yes, not much torque, high hp at high rev with low weight/hp ratio,
> reminds me a little of a formula car ;-)
>
> On that matter, I am glad honda is doing better with BAR in F-1. Which
> F-1 team uses camaro engine already ? ;-)
>
> -john


Hello,
I read many of the posts on this subject and agree with the posts made by
Honda owners. I just wanted to add that everyone interested in automobiles
should buy an issue of "Car and Driver" or "Motor Trend" on a regular
basis or even subscribe to one or more of them. Those magazines compare
various cars made by various companies and in most cases Honda or Toyota
cars win. If you don't believe me--read the magazines.

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Jason 10-24-2004 08:40 PM

Re: Hondas SUCK!
 
In article <SSLed.102$Qs6.11183@news20.bellglobal.com>, john
<rsx1877@mistralaero.com> wrote:

> 98' Camaro wrote:
> > I like to come to alt.autos.honda- I don't own a Honda (and thank God,
> > after reading all these posts of what's going wrong with them.) The
> > reason I like to come to the Honda message board is because: I have
> > NEVER seen anyone in so much defense of their vehicles, as Honda owners
> > are. Is it because you realize that Hondas are junk (which, would appear
> > you do, from the wide array of posts of what has gone wrong with
> > Hondas?) Now, I realize that SOME (notice I said "some") Hondas can beat
> > a Camaro of ANY type- stock or not- which is fine (I could careless,
> > really.) However, when it comes to which vehicle is "junk," take a look
> > at your very own board: alt.autos.honda.
> >

>
> Since this was not crossposted I feel comfortable to reply.
>
> Friends of mine have vets camoros mustangs and other muscle low-rev
> torque developing engine cars, even subaru wrx is low-rev torque engine
> compared to most honda products.
>
> They are all nice car if you enjoy them, if I was richer, I would own
> most of them a take a drive on a different one depending on how I feel.
>
> I have been following honda for years and what I like about honda is
> that they are usally ligther than any other car in their category, do
> not need turbos to compete with the cars in the same category, and
> reminds me my motocross bike when I drive around town.
>
> Yes, not much torque, high hp at high rev with low weight/hp ratio,
> reminds me a little of a formula car ;-)
>
> On that matter, I am glad honda is doing better with BAR in F-1. Which
> F-1 team uses camaro engine already ? ;-)
>
> -john


Hello,
I read many of the posts on this subject and agree with the posts made by
Honda owners. I just wanted to add that everyone interested in automobiles
should buy an issue of "Car and Driver" or "Motor Trend" on a regular
basis or even subscribe to one or more of them. Those magazines compare
various cars made by various companies and in most cases Honda or Toyota
cars win. If you don't believe me--read the magazines.

--
NEWSGROUP SUBSCRIBERS MOTTO
We respect those subscribers that ask for advice or provide advice.
We do NOT respect the subscribers that enjoy criticizing people.




TE Cheah 10-27-2004 05:01 AM

Re: Hondas SUCK!
 
| a reputation for making high quality cars.
My '90 accord 's rustproofing is very good ( still no rust in this humid climate
) & great 4ws, but I've found 5 minor design*flaws ( same in other brands too
), & replaced cheapo / inefficient parts ( manifold, plug cables, steel wheels ).
Now average 14.2 km / litre of RON97, if 70% of trip is highway, despite its
1.3 ton weight !
Honda has many good qualities, but design & assembly are not 100% perfect :
my [i] starter switch failed @68800km, [ii] Mitsuba radiator fan motor
needed oil @75900 km ( not in service schedule ) & 1 bolt @ bottom of
radiator rusted & jammed ( like no oil / grease was used on bolts during
assembly ) [iii] left rear wheel bearing too lacked grease & whined by 65000
km.



TE Cheah 10-27-2004 05:01 AM

Re: Hondas SUCK!
 
| a reputation for making high quality cars.
My '90 accord 's rustproofing is very good ( still no rust in this humid climate
) & great 4ws, but I've found 5 minor design*flaws ( same in other brands too
), & replaced cheapo / inefficient parts ( manifold, plug cables, steel wheels ).
Now average 14.2 km / litre of RON97, if 70% of trip is highway, despite its
1.3 ton weight !
Honda has many good qualities, but design & assembly are not 100% perfect :
my [i] starter switch failed @68800km, [ii] Mitsuba radiator fan motor
needed oil @75900 km ( not in service schedule ) & 1 bolt @ bottom of
radiator rusted & jammed ( like no oil / grease was used on bolts during
assembly ) [iii] left rear wheel bearing too lacked grease & whined by 65000
km.



Jamco 10-27-2004 12:44 PM

Re: Hondas SUCK!
 
why do you rerfer to Canada as Down here? where would you have to live to
have Canada below you?

"RAO" <rene1@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:W%Ted.1681$Qs6.181679@news20.bellglobal.com.. .
>I own a Honda Accord LX 98 with 72,000 KM on it; most of my driving is done
>in downtown Ottawa Canada, I drive my car six to seven days a week.
>Recently I had a type3 inspection done on my car.
>
> The result of the inspection indicate 40% left on the front brakes and 70%
> on the rear brakes, by the way these are the original brakes, maybe I
> should also mention that everything else is original (muffler, shocks,
> transmission, tires etc).
>
> I just follow the regular schedule inspection , oil changes ($30.00 can)
> and wiper blades refill ($5.00 can) twice a year. This car will be in its
> 7th winter and believe me the weather condition are very harsh down here.
> My car still runs flawless and is in perfect condition. There is no rattle
> inside the car or wind noise on the highway etc.
>
> It always starts immediately on the first attempt it's cheap on gas and is
> corrosion free, would you describe this car as a peace of junk or a very
> reliable car!
>
>
>
> By the way 98' camaro there is a good chance that your car was build in
> Bromont Quebec Canada, further more we bought our in 1998, do you
> seriously think that your car has maintain the same value as mine! I don't
> think so.
>
>
>
>
>
> R.A.O
>
>
>
>
>
> "98' Camaro" <icruzn@webtv.net> wrote in message
> news:7993-417B380C-120@storefull-3175.bay.webtv.net...
>>I like to come to alt.autos.honda- I don't own a Honda (and thank God,
>> after reading all these posts of what's going wrong with them.) The
>> reason I like to come to the Honda message board is because: I have
>> NEVER seen anyone in so much defense of their vehicles, as Honda owners
>> are. Is it because you realize that Hondas are junk (which, would appear
>> you do, from the wide array of posts of what has gone wrong with
>> Hondas?) Now, I realize that SOME (notice I said "some") Hondas can beat
>> a Camaro of ANY type- stock or not- which is fine (I could careless,
>> really.) However, when it comes to which vehicle is "junk," take a look
>> at your very own board: alt.autos.honda.
>>

>
>




Jamco 10-27-2004 12:44 PM

Re: Hondas SUCK!
 
why do you rerfer to Canada as Down here? where would you have to live to
have Canada below you?

"RAO" <rene1@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:W%Ted.1681$Qs6.181679@news20.bellglobal.com.. .
>I own a Honda Accord LX 98 with 72,000 KM on it; most of my driving is done
>in downtown Ottawa Canada, I drive my car six to seven days a week.
>Recently I had a type3 inspection done on my car.
>
> The result of the inspection indicate 40% left on the front brakes and 70%
> on the rear brakes, by the way these are the original brakes, maybe I
> should also mention that everything else is original (muffler, shocks,
> transmission, tires etc).
>
> I just follow the regular schedule inspection , oil changes ($30.00 can)
> and wiper blades refill ($5.00 can) twice a year. This car will be in its
> 7th winter and believe me the weather condition are very harsh down here.
> My car still runs flawless and is in perfect condition. There is no rattle
> inside the car or wind noise on the highway etc.
>
> It always starts immediately on the first attempt it's cheap on gas and is
> corrosion free, would you describe this car as a peace of junk or a very
> reliable car!
>
>
>
> By the way 98' camaro there is a good chance that your car was build in
> Bromont Quebec Canada, further more we bought our in 1998, do you
> seriously think that your car has maintain the same value as mine! I don't
> think so.
>
>
>
>
>
> R.A.O
>
>
>
>
>
> "98' Camaro" <icruzn@webtv.net> wrote in message
> news:7993-417B380C-120@storefull-3175.bay.webtv.net...
>>I like to come to alt.autos.honda- I don't own a Honda (and thank God,
>> after reading all these posts of what's going wrong with them.) The
>> reason I like to come to the Honda message board is because: I have
>> NEVER seen anyone in so much defense of their vehicles, as Honda owners
>> are. Is it because you realize that Hondas are junk (which, would appear
>> you do, from the wide array of posts of what has gone wrong with
>> Hondas?) Now, I realize that SOME (notice I said "some") Hondas can beat
>> a Camaro of ANY type- stock or not- which is fine (I could careless,
>> really.) However, when it comes to which vehicle is "junk," take a look
>> at your very own board: alt.autos.honda.
>>

>
>




Cosmin N. 10-27-2004 01:15 PM

Re: Hondas SUCK!
 
Well, if you live in certain US states, you could have Canada below you.
Not the entire country, but Ottawa and all the other major cities.

Cosmin

Jamco wrote:
> why do you rerfer to Canada as Down here? where would you have to live to
> have Canada below you?
>


Cosmin N. 10-27-2004 01:15 PM

Re: Hondas SUCK!
 
Well, if you live in certain US states, you could have Canada below you.
Not the entire country, but Ottawa and all the other major cities.

Cosmin

Jamco wrote:
> why do you rerfer to Canada as Down here? where would you have to live to
> have Canada below you?
>


Nobody 10-27-2004 08:10 PM

Re: Hondas SUCK!
 
"TE Cheah" <no@spam.biz> wrote in news:417fd871_1@news.tm.net.my:

>| a reputation for making high quality cars.
> My '90 accord 's rustproofing is very good ( still no rust in this
> humid climate ) & great 4ws, but I've found 5 minor design*flaws (
> same in other brands too ), & replaced cheapo / inefficient parts (
> manifold, plug cables, steel wheels ). Now average 14.2 km / litre of
> RON97, if 70% of trip is highway, despite its 1.3 ton weight !
> Honda has many good qualities, but design & assembly are not 100%
> perfect : my [i] starter switch failed @68800km, [ii] Mitsuba radiator
> fan motor needed oil @75900 km ( not in service schedule ) & 1 bolt @
> bottom of radiator rusted & jammed ( like no oil / grease was used on
> bolts during assembly ) [iii] left rear wheel bearing too lacked
> grease & whined by 65000 km.
>
>
>


Every new Honda off the truck needs an alignment. 1 Acura and 3 new Hondas
for me and every one had a screwed up alignment.

Nobody 10-27-2004 08:10 PM

Re: Hondas SUCK!
 
"TE Cheah" <no@spam.biz> wrote in news:417fd871_1@news.tm.net.my:

>| a reputation for making high quality cars.
> My '90 accord 's rustproofing is very good ( still no rust in this
> humid climate ) & great 4ws, but I've found 5 minor design*flaws (
> same in other brands too ), & replaced cheapo / inefficient parts (
> manifold, plug cables, steel wheels ). Now average 14.2 km / litre of
> RON97, if 70% of trip is highway, despite its 1.3 ton weight !
> Honda has many good qualities, but design & assembly are not 100%
> perfect : my [i] starter switch failed @68800km, [ii] Mitsuba radiator
> fan motor needed oil @75900 km ( not in service schedule ) & 1 bolt @
> bottom of radiator rusted & jammed ( like no oil / grease was used on
> bolts during assembly ) [iii] left rear wheel bearing too lacked
> grease & whined by 65000 km.
>
>
>


Every new Honda off the truck needs an alignment. 1 Acura and 3 new Hondas
for me and every one had a screwed up alignment.

J. Perry 10-27-2004 09:34 PM

Re: Hondas SUCK!
 
"Nobody" <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote in message
news:Xns958FCD5A3ADE3XZLKJOIDUKLJ098098@24.24.2.16 7...
> "TE Cheah" <no@spam.biz> wrote in news:417fd871_1@news.tm.net.my:
>
> >| a reputation for making high quality cars.
> > My '90 accord 's rustproofing is very good ( still no rust in this
> > humid climate ) & great 4ws, but I've found 5 minor design*flaws (
> > same in other brands too ), & replaced cheapo / inefficient parts (
> > manifold, plug cables, steel wheels ). Now average 14.2 km / litre of
> > RON97, if 70% of trip is highway, despite its 1.3 ton weight !
> > Honda has many good qualities, but design & assembly are not 100%
> > perfect : my [i] starter switch failed @68800km, [ii] Mitsuba radiator
> > fan motor needed oil @75900 km ( not in service schedule ) & 1 bolt @
> > bottom of radiator rusted & jammed ( like no oil / grease was used on
> > bolts during assembly ) [iii] left rear wheel bearing too lacked
> > grease & whined by 65000 km.
> >
> >
> >

>
> Every new Honda off the truck needs an alignment. 1 Acura and 3 new

Hondas
> for me and every one had a screwed up alignment.


Then why do you keep purchasing them?

J. Perry



J. Perry 10-27-2004 09:34 PM

Re: Hondas SUCK!
 
"Nobody" <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote in message
news:Xns958FCD5A3ADE3XZLKJOIDUKLJ098098@24.24.2.16 7...
> "TE Cheah" <no@spam.biz> wrote in news:417fd871_1@news.tm.net.my:
>
> >| a reputation for making high quality cars.
> > My '90 accord 's rustproofing is very good ( still no rust in this
> > humid climate ) & great 4ws, but I've found 5 minor design*flaws (
> > same in other brands too ), & replaced cheapo / inefficient parts (
> > manifold, plug cables, steel wheels ). Now average 14.2 km / litre of
> > RON97, if 70% of trip is highway, despite its 1.3 ton weight !
> > Honda has many good qualities, but design & assembly are not 100%
> > perfect : my [i] starter switch failed @68800km, [ii] Mitsuba radiator
> > fan motor needed oil @75900 km ( not in service schedule ) & 1 bolt @
> > bottom of radiator rusted & jammed ( like no oil / grease was used on
> > bolts during assembly ) [iii] left rear wheel bearing too lacked
> > grease & whined by 65000 km.
> >
> >
> >

>
> Every new Honda off the truck needs an alignment. 1 Acura and 3 new

Hondas
> for me and every one had a screwed up alignment.


Then why do you keep purchasing them?

J. Perry



bob zee 10-27-2004 10:01 PM

Re: Hondas SUCK!
 
On Sun, 24 Oct 2004 00:05:16 -0500, 98' Camaro <icruzn@webtv.net> wrote:

98 foot camaro?
the apostrophe behind the number indicates FEET.

hello? am i the only one that is bothered by this?



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bob zee 10-27-2004 10:01 PM

Re: Hondas SUCK!
 
On Sun, 24 Oct 2004 00:05:16 -0500, 98' Camaro <icruzn@webtv.net> wrote:

98 foot camaro?
the apostrophe behind the number indicates FEET.

hello? am i the only one that is bothered by this?



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fish 10-27-2004 10:26 PM

Re: Hondas SUCK!
 
now that you mention it, yes, this is troubling. i am so disappointed
in the US school system, and this 98 foot camaro is a classic victim.
poor guy.

he is such a good sport for exposing his ignorance to this ng, this is
getting fun.

hehe...


On Thu, 28 Oct 2004 02:01:12 GMT, "bob zee" <cam509@linuxmail.org>
wrote:

>On Sun, 24 Oct 2004 00:05:16 -0500, 98' Camaro <icruzn@webtv.net> wrote:
>
>98 foot camaro?
>the apostrophe behind the number indicates FEET.
>
>hello? am i the only one that is bothered by this?



fish 10-27-2004 10:26 PM

Re: Hondas SUCK!
 
now that you mention it, yes, this is troubling. i am so disappointed
in the US school system, and this 98 foot camaro is a classic victim.
poor guy.

he is such a good sport for exposing his ignorance to this ng, this is
getting fun.

hehe...


On Thu, 28 Oct 2004 02:01:12 GMT, "bob zee" <cam509@linuxmail.org>
wrote:

>On Sun, 24 Oct 2004 00:05:16 -0500, 98' Camaro <icruzn@webtv.net> wrote:
>
>98 foot camaro?
>the apostrophe behind the number indicates FEET.
>
>hello? am i the only one that is bothered by this?



fish 10-27-2004 10:27 PM

Re: Hondas SUCK!
 
now that you mention it, yes, this is troubling. i am so disappointed
in the US school system, and this 98 foot camaro is a classic victim.
poor guy.

he is such a good sport for exposing his ignorance to this ng, this is
getting fun.

hehe...


On Thu, 28 Oct 2004 02:01:12 GMT, "bob zee" <cam509@linuxmail.org>
wrote:

>On Sun, 24 Oct 2004 00:05:16 -0500, 98' Camaro <icruzn@webtv.net> wrote:
>
>98 foot camaro?
>the apostrophe behind the number indicates FEET.
>
>hello? am i the only one that is bothered by this?




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