How to tell a genuine Honda Accord (05) Bumper from After market?
 

I recently had an animal run into my car and it destroyed my bumper. I took my ride to the Honda dealer for repair and my insurance is Geico. I made sure that I requested an original OEM bumper. I was able to get an OEM on my windshield that cracked for no reason, so I want to make sure that the car stays with original parts unless of course "I" happen to actually cause damage due to my neglegnece. SO far, things just happen to this car that is beyond my control.

Is there anything to look for as far as identifying the bumper as original OEM? It is the front bumper by the way.

Re: How to tell a genuine Honda Accord (05) Bumper from After market?
 

"Guest" <llcoolj@aol.com> wrote in
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> I recently had an animal run into my car and it destroyed my bumper.
> I took my ride to the Honda dealer for repair and my insurance is
> Geico. I made sure that I requested an original OEM bumper. I was
> able to get an OEM on my windshield that cracked for no reason, so I
> want to make sure that the car stays with original parts unless of
> course "I" happen to actually cause damage due to my neglegnece. SO
> far, things just happen to this car that is beyond my control.
>
> Is there anything to look for as far as identifying the bumper as
> original OEM? It is the front bumper by the way.



Ask the bodyshop. They will have been told by the insurance company what to
use. If they've been told to use aftermarket, you can either phone Geico
and try to get them to pay for an OEM bumper (good luck!), or you can top
up the insurance company's money to have the bodyshop buy an OEM one.

OEM is considerably more expensive than aftermarket unless you get a used
one, and is considerably better quality. Used OEM is fine.

If the rebar is also being replaced, make sure that's OEM as well.
Aftermarket rebars are badly made. The bumper skin will assume the shape of
the rebar, so if the rebar is misshapen, so will be the skin.

--
Tegger

The Unofficial Honda/Acura FAQ
www.tegger.com/hondafaq/

Re: How to tell a genuine Honda Accord (05) Bumper from After market?
 

"Guest" <llcoolj@aol.com> wrote in
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> I recently had an animal run into my car and it destroyed my bumper.
> I took my ride to the Honda dealer for repair and my insurance is
> Geico. I made sure that I requested an original OEM bumper. I was
> able to get an OEM on my windshield that cracked for no reason, so I
> want to make sure that the car stays with original parts unless of
> course "I" happen to actually cause damage due to my neglegnece. SO
> far, things just happen to this car that is beyond my control.
>
> Is there anything to look for as far as identifying the bumper as
> original OEM? It is the front bumper by the way.



Ask the bodyshop. They will have been told by the insurance company what to
use. If they've been told to use aftermarket, you can either phone Geico
and try to get them to pay for an OEM bumper (good luck!), or you can top
up the insurance company's money to have the bodyshop buy an OEM one.

OEM is considerably more expensive than aftermarket unless you get a used
one, and is considerably better quality. Used OEM is fine.

If the rebar is also being replaced, make sure that's OEM as well.
Aftermarket rebars are badly made. The bumper skin will assume the shape of
the rebar, so if the rebar is misshapen, so will be the skin.

--
Tegger

The Unofficial Honda/Acura FAQ
www.tegger.com/hondafaq/

Re: How to tell a genuine Honda Accord (05) Bumper from After market?
 

"Tegger" <tegger@tegger.c0m> wrote in message
news:Xns992381D4B5C75tegger@207.14.116.130...
> "Guest" <llcoolj@aol.com> wrote in
> news:A6SdnWtysuNe-qrbnZ2dnUVZ_gGdnZ2d@comcast.com:
>
>> I recently had an animal run into my car and it destroyed my bumper.
>> I took my ride to the Honda dealer for repair and my insurance is
>> Geico. I made sure that I requested an original OEM bumper. I was
>> able to get an OEM on my windshield that cracked for no reason, so I
>> want to make sure that the car stays with original parts unless of
>> course "I" happen to actually cause damage due to my neglegnece. SO
>> far, things just happen to this car that is beyond my control.
>>
>> Is there anything to look for as far as identifying the bumper as
>> original OEM? It is the front bumper by the way.
>
>
>
> Ask the bodyshop. They will have been told by the insurance company what
> to
> use. If they've been told to use aftermarket, you can either phone Geico
> and try to get them to pay for an OEM bumper (good luck!), or you can top
> up the insurance company's money to have the bodyshop buy an OEM one.
>
> OEM is considerably more expensive than aftermarket unless you get a used
> one, and is considerably better quality. Used OEM is fine.
>
> If the rebar is also being replaced, make sure that's OEM as well.
> Aftermarket rebars are badly made. The bumper skin will assume the shape
> of
> the rebar, so if the rebar is misshapen, so will be the skin.
>
> --
> Tegger
>
> The Unofficial Honda/Acura FAQ
> www.tegger.com/hondafaq/

Well I told the Geico man I wanted OEM and he said "no problem on such a
minor thing." Since the Geico man and the Honda people seem very buddy
buddy, I need to know how to tell that it is OEM. I have a $250 deductable
and I would have to pay out of pocket for and aftermarket one when I could
buy that on my own.

Re: How to tell a genuine Honda Accord (05) Bumper from After market?
 

"Tegger" <tegger@tegger.c0m> wrote in message
news:Xns992381D4B5C75tegger@207.14.116.130...
> "Guest" <llcoolj@aol.com> wrote in
> news:A6SdnWtysuNe-qrbnZ2dnUVZ_gGdnZ2d@comcast.com:
>
>> I recently had an animal run into my car and it destroyed my bumper.
>> I took my ride to the Honda dealer for repair and my insurance is
>> Geico. I made sure that I requested an original OEM bumper. I was
>> able to get an OEM on my windshield that cracked for no reason, so I
>> want to make sure that the car stays with original parts unless of
>> course "I" happen to actually cause damage due to my neglegnece. SO
>> far, things just happen to this car that is beyond my control.
>>
>> Is there anything to look for as far as identifying the bumper as
>> original OEM? It is the front bumper by the way.
>
>
>
> Ask the bodyshop. They will have been told by the insurance company what
> to
> use. If they've been told to use aftermarket, you can either phone Geico
> and try to get them to pay for an OEM bumper (good luck!), or you can top
> up the insurance company's money to have the bodyshop buy an OEM one.
>
> OEM is considerably more expensive than aftermarket unless you get a used
> one, and is considerably better quality. Used OEM is fine.
>
> If the rebar is also being replaced, make sure that's OEM as well.
> Aftermarket rebars are badly made. The bumper skin will assume the shape
> of
> the rebar, so if the rebar is misshapen, so will be the skin.
>
> --
> Tegger
>
> The Unofficial Honda/Acura FAQ
> www.tegger.com/hondafaq/

Well I told the Geico man I wanted OEM and he said "no problem on such a
minor thing." Since the Geico man and the Honda people seem very buddy
buddy, I need to know how to tell that it is OEM. I have a $250 deductable
and I would have to pay out of pocket for and aftermarket one when I could
buy that on my own.

Re: How to tell a genuine Honda Accord (05) Bumper from After market?
 

YOu might try asking someone in the parts department at your Honda dealer if
there is a way to tell. Also if there is only one Honda dealer in your
area, the bumper would probably have had to come thru him if it is original.


"Guest" <llcoolj@aol.com> wrote in message
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>
> "Tegger" <tegger@tegger.c0m> wrote in message
> news:Xns992381D4B5C75tegger@207.14.116.130...
>> "Guest" <llcoolj@aol.com> wrote in
>> news:A6SdnWtysuNe-qrbnZ2dnUVZ_gGdnZ2d@comcast.com:
>>
>>> I recently had an animal run into my car and it destroyed my bumper.
>>> I took my ride to the Honda dealer for repair and my insurance is
>>> Geico. I made sure that I requested an original OEM bumper. I was
>>> able to get an OEM on my windshield that cracked for no reason, so I
>>> want to make sure that the car stays with original parts unless of
>>> course "I" happen to actually cause damage due to my neglegnece. SO
>>> far, things just happen to this car that is beyond my control.
>>>
>>> Is there anything to look for as far as identifying the bumper as
>>> original OEM? It is the front bumper by the way.
>>
>>
>>
>> Ask the bodyshop. They will have been told by the insurance company what
>> to
>> use. If they've been told to use aftermarket, you can either phone Geico
>> and try to get them to pay for an OEM bumper (good luck!), or you can top
>> up the insurance company's money to have the bodyshop buy an OEM one.
>>
>> OEM is considerably more expensive than aftermarket unless you get a used
>> one, and is considerably better quality. Used OEM is fine.
>>
>> If the rebar is also being replaced, make sure that's OEM as well.
>> Aftermarket rebars are badly made. The bumper skin will assume the shape
>> of
>> the rebar, so if the rebar is misshapen, so will be the skin.
>>
>> --
>> Tegger
>>
>> The Unofficial Honda/Acura FAQ
>> www.tegger.com/hondafaq/
>
> Well I told the Geico man I wanted OEM and he said "no problem on such a
> minor thing." Since the Geico man and the Honda people seem very buddy
> buddy, I need to know how to tell that it is OEM. I have a $250
> deductable and I would have to pay out of pocket for and aftermarket one
> when I could buy that on my own.
>

Re: How to tell a genuine Honda Accord (05) Bumper from After market?
 

YOu might try asking someone in the parts department at your Honda dealer if
there is a way to tell. Also if there is only one Honda dealer in your
area, the bumper would probably have had to come thru him if it is original.


"Guest" <llcoolj@aol.com> wrote in message
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>
> "Tegger" <tegger@tegger.c0m> wrote in message
> news:Xns992381D4B5C75tegger@207.14.116.130...
>> "Guest" <llcoolj@aol.com> wrote in
>> news:A6SdnWtysuNe-qrbnZ2dnUVZ_gGdnZ2d@comcast.com:
>>
>>> I recently had an animal run into my car and it destroyed my bumper.
>>> I took my ride to the Honda dealer for repair and my insurance is
>>> Geico. I made sure that I requested an original OEM bumper. I was
>>> able to get an OEM on my windshield that cracked for no reason, so I
>>> want to make sure that the car stays with original parts unless of
>>> course "I" happen to actually cause damage due to my neglegnece. SO
>>> far, things just happen to this car that is beyond my control.
>>>
>>> Is there anything to look for as far as identifying the bumper as
>>> original OEM? It is the front bumper by the way.
>>
>>
>>
>> Ask the bodyshop. They will have been told by the insurance company what
>> to
>> use. If they've been told to use aftermarket, you can either phone Geico
>> and try to get them to pay for an OEM bumper (good luck!), or you can top
>> up the insurance company's money to have the bodyshop buy an OEM one.
>>
>> OEM is considerably more expensive than aftermarket unless you get a used
>> one, and is considerably better quality. Used OEM is fine.
>>
>> If the rebar is also being replaced, make sure that's OEM as well.
>> Aftermarket rebars are badly made. The bumper skin will assume the shape
>> of
>> the rebar, so if the rebar is misshapen, so will be the skin.
>>
>> --
>> Tegger
>>
>> The Unofficial Honda/Acura FAQ
>> www.tegger.com/hondafaq/
>
> Well I told the Geico man I wanted OEM and he said "no problem on such a
> minor thing." Since the Geico man and the Honda people seem very buddy
> buddy, I need to know how to tell that it is OEM. I have a $250
> deductable and I would have to pay out of pocket for and aftermarket one
> when I could buy that on my own.
>

Re: How to tell a genuine Honda Accord (05) Bumper from After market?
 

"Guest" <llcoolj@aol.com> wrote in message
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>
....
> Well I told the Geico man I wanted OEM and he said "no problem on
> such a minor thing." Since the Geico man and the Honda people seem
> very buddy buddy, I need to know how to tell that it is OEM. I have
> a $250 deductable and I would have to pay out of pocket for and
> aftermarket one when I could buy that on my own.
>
No reason they shouldn't be buddy buddy. Markup on parts sold to insurance
companies is huge. If you really, really want to know, tell them you want
to see the parts number sticker, bag or tag that comes with it.

Earle

Re: How to tell a genuine Honda Accord (05) Bumper from After market?
 

"Guest" <llcoolj@aol.com> wrote in message
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>
....
> Well I told the Geico man I wanted OEM and he said "no problem on
> such a minor thing." Since the Geico man and the Honda people seem
> very buddy buddy, I need to know how to tell that it is OEM. I have
> a $250 deductable and I would have to pay out of pocket for and
> aftermarket one when I could buy that on my own.
>
No reason they shouldn't be buddy buddy. Markup on parts sold to insurance
companies is huge. If you really, really want to know, tell them you want
to see the parts number sticker, bag or tag that comes with it.

Earle

Re: How to tell a genuine Honda Accord (05) Bumper from After market?
 

"Guest" <llcoolj@aol.com> wrote in
news:obGdnfbUFfX75KrbnZ2dnUVZ_sapnZ2d@comcast.com:


>
> Well I told the Geico man I wanted OEM and he said "no problem on such
> a minor thing." Since the Geico man and the Honda people seem very
> buddy buddy, I need to know how to tell that it is OEM.



There will be a Honda parts sticker on the back, plus the molding die is
marked up a certain way. You won't be able to see this without removing the
bumper from the car.

You can do one of two things:
1) ask the bodyshop to give you a copy of the invoice for the bumper (price
removed of course), or
2) ask to see the bumper when it comes in.

Anyway, I don't think you have anything to worry about. If you were told
you were getting an OEM bumper, then you're getting one. The "buddy buddy"
thing is probably just because they deal with each other all the time on
business.




--
Tegger

The Unofficial Honda/Acura FAQ
www.tegger.com/hondafaq/

Re: How to tell a genuine Honda Accord (05) Bumper from After market?
 

"Guest" <llcoolj@aol.com> wrote in
news:obGdnfbUFfX75KrbnZ2dnUVZ_sapnZ2d@comcast.com:


>
> Well I told the Geico man I wanted OEM and he said "no problem on such
> a minor thing." Since the Geico man and the Honda people seem very
> buddy buddy, I need to know how to tell that it is OEM.



There will be a Honda parts sticker on the back, plus the molding die is
marked up a certain way. You won't be able to see this without removing the
bumper from the car.

You can do one of two things:
1) ask the bodyshop to give you a copy of the invoice for the bumper (price
removed of course), or
2) ask to see the bumper when it comes in.

Anyway, I don't think you have anything to worry about. If you were told
you were getting an OEM bumper, then you're getting one. The "buddy buddy"
thing is probably just because they deal with each other all the time on
business.




--
Tegger

The Unofficial Honda/Acura FAQ
www.tegger.com/hondafaq/

Re: How to tell a genuine Honda Accord (05) Bumper from After market?
 

"Tegger" <tegger@tegger.c0m> wrote in message
news:Xns9923956F1B1ABtegger@207.14.116.130...
> "Guest" <llcoolj@aol.com> wrote in
> news:obGdnfbUFfX75KrbnZ2dnUVZ_sapnZ2d@comcast.com:
>
>
>>
>> Well I told the Geico man I wanted OEM and he said "no problem on such
>> a minor thing." Since the Geico man and the Honda people seem very
>> buddy buddy, I need to know how to tell that it is OEM.
>
>
>
> There will be a Honda parts sticker on the back, plus the molding die is
> marked up a certain way. You won't be able to see this without removing
> the
> bumper from the car.
>
> You can do one of two things:
> 1) ask the bodyshop to give you a copy of the invoice for the bumper
> (price
> removed of course), or
> 2) ask to see the bumper when it comes in.
>
> Anyway, I don't think you have anything to worry about. If you were told
> you were getting an OEM bumper, then you're getting one. The "buddy buddy"
> thing is probably just because they deal with each other all the time on
> business.
>

Thanks. I was thinking about asking them to let me see the parts before
they begin. If it is painted already (was order today and they said it will
be in tomorrow), then it will more likely than not be on mine. I just like
it to be as it was. There are cruelty to animal laws, but you can't sue
anyone when they decide to committ suicide with your car!

Re: How to tell a genuine Honda Accord (05) Bumper from After market?
 

"Tegger" <tegger@tegger.c0m> wrote in message
news:Xns9923956F1B1ABtegger@207.14.116.130...
> "Guest" <llcoolj@aol.com> wrote in
> news:obGdnfbUFfX75KrbnZ2dnUVZ_sapnZ2d@comcast.com:
>
>
>>
>> Well I told the Geico man I wanted OEM and he said "no problem on such
>> a minor thing." Since the Geico man and the Honda people seem very
>> buddy buddy, I need to know how to tell that it is OEM.
>
>
>
> There will be a Honda parts sticker on the back, plus the molding die is
> marked up a certain way. You won't be able to see this without removing
> the
> bumper from the car.
>
> You can do one of two things:
> 1) ask the bodyshop to give you a copy of the invoice for the bumper
> (price
> removed of course), or
> 2) ask to see the bumper when it comes in.
>
> Anyway, I don't think you have anything to worry about. If you were told
> you were getting an OEM bumper, then you're getting one. The "buddy buddy"
> thing is probably just because they deal with each other all the time on
> business.
>

Thanks. I was thinking about asking them to let me see the parts before
they begin. If it is painted already (was order today and they said it will
be in tomorrow), then it will more likely than not be on mine. I just like
it to be as it was. There are cruelty to animal laws, but you can't sue
anyone when they decide to committ suicide with your car!

Re: How to tell a genuine Honda Accord (05) Bumper from After market?
 

"Guest" <llcoolj@aol.com> wrote
> I was thinking about asking them to let me see the parts
> before they begin. If it is painted already (was order
> today and they said it will be in tomorrow), then it will
> more likely than not be on mine. I just like it to be as
> it was. There are cruelty to animal laws, but you can't
> sue anyone when they decide to committ suicide with your
> car!

Ask Geico what exactly the contract says about using OEM
body parts. Because as you continue to insist none of this
was your fault, I can only think you are also rationalizing
what Geico should give you vs. what the contract /you
signed/ says it should give you.

Start flames. Then post the contract terms and take
responsibility for agreeing to them.

Re: How to tell a genuine Honda Accord (05) Bumper from After market?
 

"Guest" <llcoolj@aol.com> wrote
> I was thinking about asking them to let me see the parts
> before they begin. If it is painted already (was order
> today and they said it will be in tomorrow), then it will
> more likely than not be on mine. I just like it to be as
> it was. There are cruelty to animal laws, but you can't
> sue anyone when they decide to committ suicide with your
> car!

Ask Geico what exactly the contract says about using OEM
body parts. Because as you continue to insist none of this
was your fault, I can only think you are also rationalizing
what Geico should give you vs. what the contract /you
signed/ says it should give you.

Start flames. Then post the contract terms and take
responsibility for agreeing to them.

Re: How to tell a genuine Honda Accord (05) Bumper from After market?
 

"Guest" <llcoolj@aol.com> wrote in
news:aYadnWjxfJ5zE6rbnZ2dnUVZ_qWvnZ2d@comcast.com:

>
> "Tegger" <tegger@tegger.c0m> wrote in message
> news:Xns9923956F1B1ABtegger@207.14.116.130...
>> "Guest" <llcoolj@aol.com> wrote in
>> news:obGdnfbUFfX75KrbnZ2dnUVZ_sapnZ2d@comcast.com:
>>
>>
>>>
>>> Well I told the Geico man I wanted OEM and he said "no problem on
>>> such a minor thing." Since the Geico man and the Honda people seem
>>> very buddy buddy, I need to know how to tell that it is OEM.
>>
>>
>>
>> There will be a Honda parts sticker on the back, plus the molding die
>> is marked up a certain way. You won't be able to see this without
>> removing the
>> bumper from the car.
>>
>> You can do one of two things:
>> 1) ask the bodyshop to give you a copy of the invoice for the bumper
>> (price
>> removed of course), or
>> 2) ask to see the bumper when it comes in.
>>
>> Anyway, I don't think you have anything to worry about. If you were
>> told you were getting an OEM bumper, then you're getting one. The
>> "buddy buddy" thing is probably just because they deal with each
>> other all the time on business.
>>
>
> Thanks. I was thinking about asking them to let me see the parts
> before they begin. If it is painted already (was order today and they
> said it will be in tomorrow), then it will more likely than not be on
> mine. I just like it to be as it was. There are cruelty to animal
> laws, but you can't sue anyone when they decide to committ suicide
> with your car!
>
>
>

Seems like you could sue the pet's owner in small claims court for allowing
their pet to run loose and causing damage to your property.
Many locales have leash laws.

You would need proof like a photo of the killed pet and it's dog tags,the
paperwork from the body shop,etc.;the more evidence,the better chances of
success. Probably too late for all that,though.

your monetary award would be limited bacause your insurance is paying all
but the deductible.(it's fraud to claim more than what you actually paid)
That might make it not worth the trouble,then again,if the deductible is
$500 or $1000,then it's possibly worthwhile.

I'm not a lawyer.

--
Jim Yanik
jyanik
at
kua.net

Re: How to tell a genuine Honda Accord (05) Bumper from After market?
 

"Guest" <llcoolj@aol.com> wrote in
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>
> "Tegger" <tegger@tegger.c0m> wrote in message
> news:Xns9923956F1B1ABtegger@207.14.116.130...
>> "Guest" <llcoolj@aol.com> wrote in
>> news:obGdnfbUFfX75KrbnZ2dnUVZ_sapnZ2d@comcast.com:
>>
>>
>>>
>>> Well I told the Geico man I wanted OEM and he said "no problem on
>>> such a minor thing." Since the Geico man and the Honda people seem
>>> very buddy buddy, I need to know how to tell that it is OEM.
>>
>>
>>
>> There will be a Honda parts sticker on the back, plus the molding die
>> is marked up a certain way. You won't be able to see this without
>> removing the
>> bumper from the car.
>>
>> You can do one of two things:
>> 1) ask the bodyshop to give you a copy of the invoice for the bumper
>> (price
>> removed of course), or
>> 2) ask to see the bumper when it comes in.
>>
>> Anyway, I don't think you have anything to worry about. If you were
>> told you were getting an OEM bumper, then you're getting one. The
>> "buddy buddy" thing is probably just because they deal with each
>> other all the time on business.
>>
>
> Thanks. I was thinking about asking them to let me see the parts
> before they begin. If it is painted already (was order today and they
> said it will be in tomorrow), then it will more likely than not be on
> mine. I just like it to be as it was. There are cruelty to animal
> laws, but you can't sue anyone when they decide to committ suicide
> with your car!
>
>
>

Seems like you could sue the pet's owner in small claims court for allowing
their pet to run loose and causing damage to your property.
Many locales have leash laws.

You would need proof like a photo of the killed pet and it's dog tags,the
paperwork from the body shop,etc.;the more evidence,the better chances of
success. Probably too late for all that,though.

your monetary award would be limited bacause your insurance is paying all
but the deductible.(it's fraud to claim more than what you actually paid)
That might make it not worth the trouble,then again,if the deductible is
$500 or $1000,then it's possibly worthwhile.

I'm not a lawyer.

--
Jim Yanik
jyanik
at
kua.net

Re: How to tell a genuine Honda Accord (05) Bumper from After market?
 

"Jim Yanik" <jyanik@abuse.gov> wrote
> "Guest" <llcoolj@aol.com> wrote
>> There are cruelty to animal
>> laws, but you can't sue anyone when they decide to
>> committ suicide
>> with your car!
>>
>>
>>
>
> Seems like you could sue the pet's owner in small claims
> court for allowing
> their pet to run loose and causing damage to your
> property.
> Many locales have leash laws.
>
> You would need proof like a photo of the killed pet and
> it's dog tags,the
> paperwork from the body shop,etc.;the more evidence,the
> better chances of
> success.

Plus proof of being sober; driving within the speed limit;
driving on the road and not off it; not having a grudge
against the pet's owner; not having poisoned said pet and
thrown it against the car to get a new bumper when the old
one had a little scratch; etc. I encourage the pet's owner
to countersue at this point, because the OP looks like
sharkbait to me.

Why are you encouraging this guy in his whine about the
inevitable "stuff happens"? Cars get damaged. You can try to
milk the insurance cos. for more than what the contract
provides, and so push up rates for all, or you can read the
contract BEFORE signing.

> I'm not a lawyer.

Just supportive of their trade. :-)

Re: How to tell a genuine Honda Accord (05) Bumper from After market?
 

"Jim Yanik" <jyanik@abuse.gov> wrote
> "Guest" <llcoolj@aol.com> wrote
>> There are cruelty to animal
>> laws, but you can't sue anyone when they decide to
>> committ suicide
>> with your car!
>>
>>
>>
>
> Seems like you could sue the pet's owner in small claims
> court for allowing
> their pet to run loose and causing damage to your
> property.
> Many locales have leash laws.
>
> You would need proof like a photo of the killed pet and
> it's dog tags,the
> paperwork from the body shop,etc.;the more evidence,the
> better chances of
> success.

Plus proof of being sober; driving within the speed limit;
driving on the road and not off it; not having a grudge
against the pet's owner; not having poisoned said pet and
thrown it against the car to get a new bumper when the old
one had a little scratch; etc. I encourage the pet's owner
to countersue at this point, because the OP looks like
sharkbait to me.

Why are you encouraging this guy in his whine about the
inevitable "stuff happens"? Cars get damaged. You can try to
milk the insurance cos. for more than what the contract
provides, and so push up rates for all, or you can read the
contract BEFORE signing.

> I'm not a lawyer.

Just supportive of their trade. :-)

Re: How to tell a genuine Honda Accord (05) Bumper from After market?
 

"Jim Yanik" <jyanik@abuse.gov> wrote in message
news:Xns9923A218A77A1jyanikkuanet@64.209.0.85...
> "Guest" <llcoolj@aol.com> wrote in
> news:aYadnWjxfJ5zE6rbnZ2dnUVZ_qWvnZ2d@comcast.com:
>
>>
>> "Tegger" <tegger@tegger.c0m> wrote in message
>> news:Xns9923956F1B1ABtegger@207.14.116.130...
>>> "Guest" <llcoolj@aol.com> wrote in
>>> news:obGdnfbUFfX75KrbnZ2dnUVZ_sapnZ2d@comcast.com:
>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Well I told the Geico man I wanted OEM and he said "no problem on
>>>> such a minor thing." Since the Geico man and the Honda people seem
>>>> very buddy buddy, I need to know how to tell that it is OEM.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> There will be a Honda parts sticker on the back, plus the molding die
>>> is marked up a certain way. You won't be able to see this without
>>> removing the
>>> bumper from the car.
>>>
>>> You can do one of two things:
>>> 1) ask the bodyshop to give you a copy of the invoice for the bumper
>>> (price
>>> removed of course), or
>>> 2) ask to see the bumper when it comes in.
>>>
>>> Anyway, I don't think you have anything to worry about. If you were
>>> told you were getting an OEM bumper, then you're getting one. The
>>> "buddy buddy" thing is probably just because they deal with each
>>> other all the time on business.
>>>
>>
>> Thanks. I was thinking about asking them to let me see the parts
>> before they begin. If it is painted already (was order today and they
>> said it will be in tomorrow), then it will more likely than not be on
>> mine. I just like it to be as it was. There are cruelty to animal
>> laws, but you can't sue anyone when they decide to committ suicide
>> with your car!
>>
>>
>>
>
> Seems like you could sue the pet's owner in small claims court for
> allowing
> their pet to run loose and causing damage to your property.
> Many locales have leash laws.
>
> You would need proof like a photo of the killed pet and it's dog tags,the
> paperwork from the body shop,etc.;the more evidence,the better chances of
> success. Probably too late for all that,though.
>
> your monetary award would be limited bacause your insurance is paying all
> but the deductible.(it's fraud to claim more than what you actually paid)
> That might make it not worth the trouble,then again,if the deductible is
> $500 or $1000,then it's possibly worthwhile.
>
> I'm not a lawyer.
>
> --
> Jim Yanik
> jyanik
> at
> kua.net

Well, this was a wild animal that came out of the woods. It is dead of
course and I can't sue it or anyone.

Re: How to tell a genuine Honda Accord (05) Bumper from After market?
 

"Jim Yanik" <jyanik@abuse.gov> wrote in message
news:Xns9923A218A77A1jyanikkuanet@64.209.0.85...
> "Guest" <llcoolj@aol.com> wrote in
> news:aYadnWjxfJ5zE6rbnZ2dnUVZ_qWvnZ2d@comcast.com:
>
>>
>> "Tegger" <tegger@tegger.c0m> wrote in message
>> news:Xns9923956F1B1ABtegger@207.14.116.130...
>>> "Guest" <llcoolj@aol.com> wrote in
>>> news:obGdnfbUFfX75KrbnZ2dnUVZ_sapnZ2d@comcast.com:
>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Well I told the Geico man I wanted OEM and he said "no problem on
>>>> such a minor thing." Since the Geico man and the Honda people seem
>>>> very buddy buddy, I need to know how to tell that it is OEM.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> There will be a Honda parts sticker on the back, plus the molding die
>>> is marked up a certain way. You won't be able to see this without
>>> removing the
>>> bumper from the car.
>>>
>>> You can do one of two things:
>>> 1) ask the bodyshop to give you a copy of the invoice for the bumper
>>> (price
>>> removed of course), or
>>> 2) ask to see the bumper when it comes in.
>>>
>>> Anyway, I don't think you have anything to worry about. If you were
>>> told you were getting an OEM bumper, then you're getting one. The
>>> "buddy buddy" thing is probably just because they deal with each
>>> other all the time on business.
>>>
>>
>> Thanks. I was thinking about asking them to let me see the parts
>> before they begin. If it is painted already (was order today and they
>> said it will be in tomorrow), then it will more likely than not be on
>> mine. I just like it to be as it was. There are cruelty to animal
>> laws, but you can't sue anyone when they decide to committ suicide
>> with your car!
>>
>>
>>
>
> Seems like you could sue the pet's owner in small claims court for
> allowing
> their pet to run loose and causing damage to your property.
> Many locales have leash laws.
>
> You would need proof like a photo of the killed pet and it's dog tags,the
> paperwork from the body shop,etc.;the more evidence,the better chances of
> success. Probably too late for all that,though.
>
> your monetary award would be limited bacause your insurance is paying all
> but the deductible.(it's fraud to claim more than what you actually paid)
> That might make it not worth the trouble,then again,if the deductible is
> $500 or $1000,then it's possibly worthwhile.
>
> I'm not a lawyer.
>
> --
> Jim Yanik
> jyanik
> at
> kua.net

Well, this was a wild animal that came out of the woods. It is dead of
course and I can't sue it or anyone.

Re: How to tell a genuine Honda Accord (05) Bumper from After market?
 

"Elle" <honda.lioness@nospam.earthlink.net> wrote in message
news:lVMZh.2701$296.2678@newsread4.news.pas.earthl ink.net...
> "Guest" <llcoolj@aol.com> wrote
>> I was thinking about asking them to let me see the parts before they
>> begin. If it is painted already (was order today and they said it will
>> be in tomorrow), then it will more likely than not be on mine. I just
>> like it to be as it was. There are cruelty to animal laws, but you can't
>> sue anyone when they decide to committ suicide with your car!
>
> Ask Geico what exactly the contract says about using OEM body parts.
> Because as you continue to insist none of this was your fault, I can only
> think you are also rationalizing what Geico should give you vs. what the
> contract /you signed/ says it should give you.
>
> Start flames. Then post the contract terms and take responsibility for
> agreeing to them.
>

I assume that I can because I had a windshield replaced and they approved a
Honda glass. I did ask the Geico man about OEM and he said yes. If he did
not, I would have raised hell.

Re: How to tell a genuine Honda Accord (05) Bumper from After market?
 

"Elle" <honda.lioness@nospam.earthlink.net> wrote in message
news:lVMZh.2701$296.2678@newsread4.news.pas.earthl ink.net...
> "Guest" <llcoolj@aol.com> wrote
>> I was thinking about asking them to let me see the parts before they
>> begin. If it is painted already (was order today and they said it will
>> be in tomorrow), then it will more likely than not be on mine. I just
>> like it to be as it was. There are cruelty to animal laws, but you can't
>> sue anyone when they decide to committ suicide with your car!
>
> Ask Geico what exactly the contract says about using OEM body parts.
> Because as you continue to insist none of this was your fault, I can only
> think you are also rationalizing what Geico should give you vs. what the
> contract /you signed/ says it should give you.
>
> Start flames. Then post the contract terms and take responsibility for
> agreeing to them.
>

I assume that I can because I had a windshield replaced and they approved a
Honda glass. I did ask the Geico man about OEM and he said yes. If he did
not, I would have raised hell.

Re: How to tell a genuine Honda Accord (05) Bumper from After market?
 

"Elle" <honda.lioness@nospam.earthlink.net> wrote in message
news:lVMZh.2701$296.2678@newsread4.news.pas.earthl ink.net...
> "Guest" <llcoolj@aol.com> wrote
> > I was thinking about asking them to let me see the parts
> > before they begin. If it is painted already (was order
> > today and they said it will be in tomorrow), then it will
> > more likely than not be on mine. I just like it to be as
> > it was. There are cruelty to animal laws, but you can't
> > sue anyone when they decide to committ suicide with your
> > car!
>
> Ask Geico what exactly the contract says about using OEM
> body parts. Because as you continue to insist none of this
> was your fault, I can only think you are also rationalizing
> what Geico should give you vs. what the contract /you
> signed/ says it should give you.
>
> Start flames. Then post the contract terms and take
> responsibility for agreeing to them.
>
A bumper too might not be enough of a savings to justify the inevitable
increase in insurance premiums that will occur. He says "I recently had an
animal run into my car" but it's hard to conceive of any animal doing much
damage to the bumper of a car that isn't moving. Whether it's "your fault"
or not, insurance companies have actuarial tables, that say that people who
get in accidents, get in more accidents.

Earle

Re: How to tell a genuine Honda Accord (05) Bumper from After market?
 

"Elle" <honda.lioness@nospam.earthlink.net> wrote in message
news:lVMZh.2701$296.2678@newsread4.news.pas.earthl ink.net...
> "Guest" <llcoolj@aol.com> wrote
> > I was thinking about asking them to let me see the parts
> > before they begin. If it is painted already (was order
> > today and they said it will be in tomorrow), then it will
> > more likely than not be on mine. I just like it to be as
> > it was. There are cruelty to animal laws, but you can't
> > sue anyone when they decide to committ suicide with your
> > car!
>
> Ask Geico what exactly the contract says about using OEM
> body parts. Because as you continue to insist none of this
> was your fault, I can only think you are also rationalizing
> what Geico should give you vs. what the contract /you
> signed/ says it should give you.
>
> Start flames. Then post the contract terms and take
> responsibility for agreeing to them.
>
A bumper too might not be enough of a savings to justify the inevitable
increase in insurance premiums that will occur. He says "I recently had an
animal run into my car" but it's hard to conceive of any animal doing much
damage to the bumper of a car that isn't moving. Whether it's "your fault"
or not, insurance companies have actuarial tables, that say that people who
get in accidents, get in more accidents.

Earle

Re: How to tell a genuine Honda Accord (05) Bumper from After market?
 

"Guest" <llcoolj@aol.com> wrote in
news:FPKdnc3o4ejtN6rbnZ2dnUVZ_qGjnZ2d@comcast.com:


>>
>
> I assume that I can because I had a windshield replaced and they
> approved a Honda glass. I did ask the Geico man about OEM and he said
> yes. If he did not, I would have raised hell.
>
>
>


Depends on the age of the car, too. Many insurance companies have a policy
of using OEM until the car is three years old.

Also I understand some states mandate the use of OEM parts on insurance
replacements, no matter what.

--
Tegger

The Unofficial Honda/Acura FAQ
www.tegger.com/hondafaq/

Re: How to tell a genuine Honda Accord (05) Bumper from After market?
 

"Guest" <llcoolj@aol.com> wrote in
news:FPKdnc3o4ejtN6rbnZ2dnUVZ_qGjnZ2d@comcast.com:


>>
>
> I assume that I can because I had a windshield replaced and they
> approved a Honda glass. I did ask the Geico man about OEM and he said
> yes. If he did not, I would have raised hell.
>
>
>


Depends on the age of the car, too. Many insurance companies have a policy
of using OEM until the car is three years old.

Also I understand some states mandate the use of OEM parts on insurance
replacements, no matter what.

--
Tegger

The Unofficial Honda/Acura FAQ
www.tegger.com/hondafaq/

Re: How to tell a genuine Honda Accord (05) Bumper from After market?
 

"Guest" <llcoolj@aol.com> wrote in message
news:A6SdnWtysuNe-qrbnZ2dnUVZ_gGdnZ2d@comcast.com...
I recently had an animal run into my car and it destroyed my bumper. I took
my ride to the Honda dealer for repair and my insurance is Geico. I made
sure that I requested an original OEM bumper. I was able to get an OEM on
my windshield that cracked for no reason, so I want to make sure that the
car stays with original parts unless of course "I" happen to actually cause
damage due to my neglegnece. SO far, things just happen to this car that is
beyond my control.

Is there anything to look for as far as identifying the bumper as original
OEM? It is the front bumper by the way.

---

For what its worth, I've been told that after market body parts are not made
to exactly match the OEM parts by design. Something about patents and such.
My brother fixes cars at a body shop and tells me that quite often when
working with non-oem parts he needs to modify them to make them fit. (cut
off a bit here and there, drill extra holes, bend something, etc...) He
agrees with another poster saying that used oem is preferable to after
market.

Re: How to tell a genuine Honda Accord (05) Bumper from After market?
 

"Guest" <llcoolj@aol.com> wrote in message
news:A6SdnWtysuNe-qrbnZ2dnUVZ_gGdnZ2d@comcast.com...
I recently had an animal run into my car and it destroyed my bumper. I took
my ride to the Honda dealer for repair and my insurance is Geico. I made
sure that I requested an original OEM bumper. I was able to get an OEM on
my windshield that cracked for no reason, so I want to make sure that the
car stays with original parts unless of course "I" happen to actually cause
damage due to my neglegnece. SO far, things just happen to this car that is
beyond my control.

Is there anything to look for as far as identifying the bumper as original
OEM? It is the front bumper by the way.

---

For what its worth, I've been told that after market body parts are not made
to exactly match the OEM parts by design. Something about patents and such.
My brother fixes cars at a body shop and tells me that quite often when
working with non-oem parts he needs to modify them to make them fit. (cut
off a bit here and there, drill extra holes, bend something, etc...) He
agrees with another poster saying that used oem is preferable to after
market.

Re: How to tell a genuine Honda Accord (05) Bumper from After market?
 

"Earle Horton" <earle@vascongado.usa> wrote in message
news:4637aa86$0$31790$a82e2bb9@reader.athenanews.c om...
> "Elle" <honda.lioness@nospam.earthlink.net> wrote in message
> news:lVMZh.2701$296.2678@newsread4.news.pas.earthl ink.net...
>> "Guest" <llcoolj@aol.com> wrote
>> > I was thinking about asking them to let me see the parts
>> > before they begin. If it is painted already (was order
>> > today and they said it will be in tomorrow), then it will
>> > more likely than not be on mine. I just like it to be as
>> > it was. There are cruelty to animal laws, but you can't
>> > sue anyone when they decide to committ suicide with your
>> > car!
>>
>> Ask Geico what exactly the contract says about using OEM
>> body parts. Because as you continue to insist none of this
>> was your fault, I can only think you are also rationalizing
>> what Geico should give you vs. what the contract /you
>> signed/ says it should give you.
>>
>> Start flames. Then post the contract terms and take
>> responsibility for agreeing to them.
>>
> A bumper too might not be enough of a savings to justify the inevitable
> increase in insurance premiums that will occur. He says "I recently had
> an
> animal run into my car" but it's hard to conceive of any animal doing much
> damage to the bumper of a car that isn't moving. Whether it's "your
> fault"
> or not, insurance companies have actuarial tables, that say that people
> who
> get in accidents, get in more accidents.
>
> Earle
>
>

I am sorry. "An animal waited and jumped into my MOVING car that was going
at east 60 mph." I hope that they do not raise my premium since I have a
clean driving record. This is only my second time utilizing their services.
The first was a windshield that cracked for no reason.

Re: How to tell a genuine Honda Accord (05) Bumper from After market?
 

"Earle Horton" <earle@vascongado.usa> wrote in message
news:4637aa86$0$31790$a82e2bb9@reader.athenanews.c om...
> "Elle" <honda.lioness@nospam.earthlink.net> wrote in message
> news:lVMZh.2701$296.2678@newsread4.news.pas.earthl ink.net...
>> "Guest" <llcoolj@aol.com> wrote
>> > I was thinking about asking them to let me see the parts
>> > before they begin. If it is painted already (was order
>> > today and they said it will be in tomorrow), then it will
>> > more likely than not be on mine. I just like it to be as
>> > it was. There are cruelty to animal laws, but you can't
>> > sue anyone when they decide to committ suicide with your
>> > car!
>>
>> Ask Geico what exactly the contract says about using OEM
>> body parts. Because as you continue to insist none of this
>> was your fault, I can only think you are also rationalizing
>> what Geico should give you vs. what the contract /you
>> signed/ says it should give you.
>>
>> Start flames. Then post the contract terms and take
>> responsibility for agreeing to them.
>>
> A bumper too might not be enough of a savings to justify the inevitable
> increase in insurance premiums that will occur. He says "I recently had
> an
> animal run into my car" but it's hard to conceive of any animal doing much
> damage to the bumper of a car that isn't moving. Whether it's "your
> fault"
> or not, insurance companies have actuarial tables, that say that people
> who
> get in accidents, get in more accidents.
>
> Earle
>
>

I am sorry. "An animal waited and jumped into my MOVING car that was going
at east 60 mph." I hope that they do not raise my premium since I have a
clean driving record. This is only my second time utilizing their services.
The first was a windshield that cracked for no reason.

Re: How to tell a genuine Honda Accord (05) Bumper from After market?
 

"Elle" <honda.lioness@nospam.earthlink.net> wrote in message
news:63NZh.10674$3P3.9934@newsread3.news.pas.earth link.net...
> "Jim Yanik" <jyanik@abuse.gov> wrote
>> "Guest" <llcoolj@aol.com> wrote
>>> There are cruelty to animal
>>> laws, but you can't sue anyone when they decide to committ suicide
>>> with your car!
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>> Seems like you could sue the pet's owner in small claims court for
>> allowing
>> their pet to run loose and causing damage to your property.
>> Many locales have leash laws.
>>
>> You would need proof like a photo of the killed pet and it's dog tags,the
>> paperwork from the body shop,etc.;the more evidence,the better chances of
>> success.
>
> Plus proof of being sober; driving within the speed limit; driving on the
> road and not off it; not having a grudge against the pet's owner; not
> having poisoned said pet and thrown it against the car to get a new bumper
> when the old one had a little scratch; etc. I encourage the pet's owner to
> countersue at this point, because the OP looks like sharkbait to me.

Deepnds on the state one is in. IN New York we have a leash law. If my car
is damaged due to hitting a loose pet it is the owner of the pet that is at
fault. All I need to prove it is the dead animal and the damage. For the
pet owner to countersue in your above scenario, I DON'T have to prove I was
sober, grudged, etc... They have to prove it is true.

> Why are you encouraging this guy in his whine about the inevitable "stuff
> happens"? Cars get damaged. You can try to milk the insurance cos. for
> more than what the contract provides, and so push up rates for all, or you
> can read the contract BEFORE signing.

But if it is someone else's fault, why should one be out anything? I'm not
saying look for blame when there isn't any, but if there is blame, that's
the one who should pay.

>> I'm not a lawyer.
>
> Just supportive of their trade. :-)

No, just FAIR trade.

Re: How to tell a genuine Honda Accord (05) Bumper from After market?
 

"Elle" <honda.lioness@nospam.earthlink.net> wrote in message
news:63NZh.10674$3P3.9934@newsread3.news.pas.earth link.net...
> "Jim Yanik" <jyanik@abuse.gov> wrote
>> "Guest" <llcoolj@aol.com> wrote
>>> There are cruelty to animal
>>> laws, but you can't sue anyone when they decide to committ suicide
>>> with your car!
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>> Seems like you could sue the pet's owner in small claims court for
>> allowing
>> their pet to run loose and causing damage to your property.
>> Many locales have leash laws.
>>
>> You would need proof like a photo of the killed pet and it's dog tags,the
>> paperwork from the body shop,etc.;the more evidence,the better chances of
>> success.
>
> Plus proof of being sober; driving within the speed limit; driving on the
> road and not off it; not having a grudge against the pet's owner; not
> having poisoned said pet and thrown it against the car to get a new bumper
> when the old one had a little scratch; etc. I encourage the pet's owner to
> countersue at this point, because the OP looks like sharkbait to me.

Deepnds on the state one is in. IN New York we have a leash law. If my car
is damaged due to hitting a loose pet it is the owner of the pet that is at
fault. All I need to prove it is the dead animal and the damage. For the
pet owner to countersue in your above scenario, I DON'T have to prove I was
sober, grudged, etc... They have to prove it is true.

> Why are you encouraging this guy in his whine about the inevitable "stuff
> happens"? Cars get damaged. You can try to milk the insurance cos. for
> more than what the contract provides, and so push up rates for all, or you
> can read the contract BEFORE signing.

But if it is someone else's fault, why should one be out anything? I'm not
saying look for blame when there isn't any, but if there is blame, that's
the one who should pay.

>> I'm not a lawyer.
>
> Just supportive of their trade. :-)

No, just FAIR trade.

Re: How to tell a genuine Honda Accord (05) Bumper from After market?
 

"jrk" <BC80009mm@yahoo.com> wrote in
news:4637afa4$0$3579$815e3792@news.qwest.net:


>
>
>
> For what its worth, I've been told that after market body parts are
> not made to exactly match the OEM parts by design. Something about
> patents and such.



Nah, it's just that the aftermarket simply does not have the budget to
engineer the molds and dies the way Honda did. The appeal of aftermarket
direct-replacement is economy, not quality. They have to find ways of
making the parts cheaper than OEM, and that means cutting all the corners
they can.

Their materials are cheaper as well. Quality control is much laxer in the
aftermarket. They simply can't afford to throw away all the production that
the OEMs do.

The aftermarket does not have access to the OEM engineering CAD files and
blueprints, which are heavily guarded and protected. They have to get hold
of actual examples of the parts, then work backwards to obtain their own
specs. This is a terribly inaccurate way of engineering a part, especially
something as large and floppy as a bumper skin. And then they're only going
to spend so long welding up and grinding down the molds, since that takes
time and money, so...

I've been involved in the OEM process. The detailed engineering of OEM
parts is astoundingly expensive, exhaustingly intricate, and is only
justifiable in huge production quantities. Low-volume OEM parts are
developed the same way as high-volume OEM ones, but with a price that
reflects the small amortization base.

Remember, Honda made hundreds of thousands of bumpers. The aftermarket
makes a few thousand. Big, BIG difference.



--
Tegger

The Unofficial Honda/Acura FAQ
www.tegger.com/hondafaq/

Re: How to tell a genuine Honda Accord (05) Bumper from After market?
 

"jrk" <BC80009mm@yahoo.com> wrote in
news:4637afa4$0$3579$815e3792@news.qwest.net:


>
>
>
> For what its worth, I've been told that after market body parts are
> not made to exactly match the OEM parts by design. Something about
> patents and such.



Nah, it's just that the aftermarket simply does not have the budget to
engineer the molds and dies the way Honda did. The appeal of aftermarket
direct-replacement is economy, not quality. They have to find ways of
making the parts cheaper than OEM, and that means cutting all the corners
they can.

Their materials are cheaper as well. Quality control is much laxer in the
aftermarket. They simply can't afford to throw away all the production that
the OEMs do.

The aftermarket does not have access to the OEM engineering CAD files and
blueprints, which are heavily guarded and protected. They have to get hold
of actual examples of the parts, then work backwards to obtain their own
specs. This is a terribly inaccurate way of engineering a part, especially
something as large and floppy as a bumper skin. And then they're only going
to spend so long welding up and grinding down the molds, since that takes
time and money, so...

I've been involved in the OEM process. The detailed engineering of OEM
parts is astoundingly expensive, exhaustingly intricate, and is only
justifiable in huge production quantities. Low-volume OEM parts are
developed the same way as high-volume OEM ones, but with a price that
reflects the small amortization base.

Remember, Honda made hundreds of thousands of bumpers. The aftermarket
makes a few thousand. Big, BIG difference.



--
Tegger

The Unofficial Honda/Acura FAQ
www.tegger.com/hondafaq/

Re: How to tell a genuine Honda Accord (05) Bumper from After market?
 

"Guest" <llcoolj@aol.com> wrote in message
news:mYmdnWutILu_KqrbnZ2dnUVZ_hKdnZ2d@comcast.com. ..
>
> "Earle Horton" <earle@vascongado.usa> wrote in message
> news:4637aa86$0$31790$a82e2bb9@reader.athenanews.c om...
> > "Elle" <honda.lioness@nospam.earthlink.net> wrote in message
> > news:lVMZh.2701$296.2678@newsread4.news.pas.earthl ink.net...
> >> "Guest" <llcoolj@aol.com> wrote
> >> > I was thinking about asking them to let me see the parts
> >> > before they begin. If it is painted already (was order
> >> > today and they said it will be in tomorrow), then it will
> >> > more likely than not be on mine. I just like it to be as
> >> > it was. There are cruelty to animal laws, but you can't
> >> > sue anyone when they decide to committ suicide with your
> >> > car!
> >>
> >> Ask Geico what exactly the contract says about using OEM
> >> body parts. Because as you continue to insist none of this
> >> was your fault, I can only think you are also rationalizing
> >> what Geico should give you vs. what the contract /you
> >> signed/ says it should give you.
> >>
> >> Start flames. Then post the contract terms and take
> >> responsibility for agreeing to them.
> >>
> > A bumper too might not be enough of a savings to justify the inevitable
> > increase in insurance premiums that will occur. He says "I recently had
> > an
> > animal run into my car" but it's hard to conceive of any animal doing
much
> > damage to the bumper of a car that isn't moving. Whether it's "your
> > fault"
> > or not, insurance companies have actuarial tables, that say that people
> > who
> > get in accidents, get in more accidents.
> >
> > Earle
> >
> >
>
> I am sorry. "An animal waited and jumped into my MOVING car that was
going
> at east 60 mph." I hope that they do not raise my premium since I have a
> clean driving record. This is only my second time utilizing their
services.
> The first was a windshield that cracked for no reason.
>
Windshields are different. They just break, for no apparent reason. But
what insurance companies don't like, are claims. If you want to keep your
premiums down, pay for small repairs yourself. Or if you are a good driver,
save your pennies with a high deductible or no collision insurance at all
and you will eventually have enough to buy a new car. On a 2005 model the
bank probably made you get insurance, but most companies have a $1,000
deductible available.

Cheers,

Earle

Re: How to tell a genuine Honda Accord (05) Bumper from After market?
 

"Guest" <llcoolj@aol.com> wrote in message
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>
> "Earle Horton" <earle@vascongado.usa> wrote in message
> news:4637aa86$0$31790$a82e2bb9@reader.athenanews.c om...
> > "Elle" <honda.lioness@nospam.earthlink.net> wrote in message
> > news:lVMZh.2701$296.2678@newsread4.news.pas.earthl ink.net...
> >> "Guest" <llcoolj@aol.com> wrote
> >> > I was thinking about asking them to let me see the parts
> >> > before they begin. If it is painted already (was order
> >> > today and they said it will be in tomorrow), then it will
> >> > more likely than not be on mine. I just like it to be as
> >> > it was. There are cruelty to animal laws, but you can't
> >> > sue anyone when they decide to committ suicide with your
> >> > car!
> >>
> >> Ask Geico what exactly the contract says about using OEM
> >> body parts. Because as you continue to insist none of this
> >> was your fault, I can only think you are also rationalizing
> >> what Geico should give you vs. what the contract /you
> >> signed/ says it should give you.
> >>
> >> Start flames. Then post the contract terms and take
> >> responsibility for agreeing to them.
> >>
> > A bumper too might not be enough of a savings to justify the inevitable
> > increase in insurance premiums that will occur. He says "I recently had
> > an
> > animal run into my car" but it's hard to conceive of any animal doing
much
> > damage to the bumper of a car that isn't moving. Whether it's "your
> > fault"
> > or not, insurance companies have actuarial tables, that say that people
> > who
> > get in accidents, get in more accidents.
> >
> > Earle
> >
> >
>
> I am sorry. "An animal waited and jumped into my MOVING car that was
going
> at east 60 mph." I hope that they do not raise my premium since I have a
> clean driving record. This is only my second time utilizing their
services.
> The first was a windshield that cracked for no reason.
>
Windshields are different. They just break, for no apparent reason. But
what insurance companies don't like, are claims. If you want to keep your
premiums down, pay for small repairs yourself. Or if you are a good driver,
save your pennies with a high deductible or no collision insurance at all
and you will eventually have enough to buy a new car. On a 2005 model the
bank probably made you get insurance, but most companies have a $1,000
deductible available.

Cheers,

Earle

Re: How to tell a genuine Honda Accord (05) Bumper from After market?
 

"Elle" <honda.lioness@nospam.earthlink.net> wrote in
news:63NZh.10674$3P3.9934@newsread3.news.pas.earth link.net:

> "Jim Yanik" <jyanik@abuse.gov> wrote
>> "Guest" <llcoolj@aol.com> wrote
>>> There are cruelty to animal
>>> laws, but you can't sue anyone when they decide to
>>> committ suicide
>>> with your car!
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>> Seems like you could sue the pet's owner in small claims
>> court for allowing
>> their pet to run loose and causing damage to your
>> property.
>> Many locales have leash laws.
>>
>> You would need proof like a photo of the killed pet and
>> it's dog tags,the
>> paperwork from the body shop,etc.;the more evidence,the
>> better chances of
>> success.
>
> Plus proof of being sober; driving within the speed limit;
> driving on the road and not off it; not having a grudge
> against the pet's owner; not having poisoned said pet and
> thrown it against the car to get a new bumper when the old
> one had a little scratch; etc.

Wrong;you do NOT have to prove you are innocent or not at fault.

> I encourage the pet's owner
> to countersue at this point, because the OP looks like
> sharkbait to me.
>
> Why are you encouraging this guy in his whine about the
> inevitable "stuff happens"? Cars get damaged. You can try to
> milk the insurance cos. for more than what the contract
> provides, and so push up rates for all, or you can read the
> contract BEFORE signing.

Suing in small claims court does NOT affect auto insurance rates.
>
>> I'm not a lawyer.
>
> Just supportive of their trade. :-)
>
>
>
No,PET OWNERS need to be responsible for their pets,and that includes when
they are allowed to run loose and cause damage to other people's property.
Then they should pay for what their animal has caused.

In any case,the JUDGE would decide if the suit was worthy.


--
Jim Yanik
jyanik
at
kua.net

Re: How to tell a genuine Honda Accord (05) Bumper from After market?
 

"Elle" <honda.lioness@nospam.earthlink.net> wrote in
news:63NZh.10674$3P3.9934@newsread3.news.pas.earth link.net:

> "Jim Yanik" <jyanik@abuse.gov> wrote
>> "Guest" <llcoolj@aol.com> wrote
>>> There are cruelty to animal
>>> laws, but you can't sue anyone when they decide to
>>> committ suicide
>>> with your car!
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>> Seems like you could sue the pet's owner in small claims
>> court for allowing
>> their pet to run loose and causing damage to your
>> property.
>> Many locales have leash laws.
>>
>> You would need proof like a photo of the killed pet and
>> it's dog tags,the
>> paperwork from the body shop,etc.;the more evidence,the
>> better chances of
>> success.
>
> Plus proof of being sober; driving within the speed limit;
> driving on the road and not off it; not having a grudge
> against the pet's owner; not having poisoned said pet and
> thrown it against the car to get a new bumper when the old
> one had a little scratch; etc.

Wrong;you do NOT have to prove you are innocent or not at fault.

> I encourage the pet's owner
> to countersue at this point, because the OP looks like
> sharkbait to me.
>
> Why are you encouraging this guy in his whine about the
> inevitable "stuff happens"? Cars get damaged. You can try to
> milk the insurance cos. for more than what the contract
> provides, and so push up rates for all, or you can read the
> contract BEFORE signing.

Suing in small claims court does NOT affect auto insurance rates.
>
>> I'm not a lawyer.
>
> Just supportive of their trade. :-)
>
>
>
No,PET OWNERS need to be responsible for their pets,and that includes when
they are allowed to run loose and cause damage to other people's property.
Then they should pay for what their animal has caused.

In any case,the JUDGE would decide if the suit was worthy.


--
Jim Yanik
jyanik
at
kua.net

Re: How to tell a genuine Honda Accord (05) Bumper from After market?
 

Tegger <tegger@tegger.c0m> wrote in
news:Xns9923CE64CF111tegger@207.14.116.130:

> "jrk" <BC80009mm@yahoo.com> wrote in
> news:4637afa4$0$3579$815e3792@news.qwest.net:
>
>
>>
>>
>>
>> For what its worth, I've been told that after market body parts are
>> not made to exactly match the OEM parts by design. Something about
>> patents and such.
>
>
>
> Nah, it's just that the aftermarket simply does not have the budget to
> engineer the molds and dies the way Honda did. The appeal of
> aftermarket direct-replacement is economy, not quality. They have to
> find ways of making the parts cheaper than OEM, and that means cutting
> all the corners they can.
>
> Their materials are cheaper as well. Quality control is much laxer in
> the aftermarket. They simply can't afford to throw away all the
> production that the OEMs do.
>
> The aftermarket does not have access to the OEM engineering CAD files
> and blueprints, which are heavily guarded and protected. They have to
> get hold of actual examples of the parts, then work backwards to
> obtain their own specs. This is a terribly inaccurate way of
> engineering a part, especially something as large and floppy as a
> bumper skin. And then they're only going to spend so long welding up
> and grinding down the molds, since that takes time and money, so...
>
> I've been involved in the OEM process. The detailed engineering of OEM
> parts is astoundingly expensive, exhaustingly intricate, and is only
> justifiable in huge production quantities. Low-volume OEM parts are
> developed the same way as high-volume OEM ones, but with a price that
> reflects the small amortization base.
>
> Remember, Honda made hundreds of thousands of bumpers. The aftermarket
> makes a few thousand. Big, BIG difference.
>
>
>

Actually,some other company probably makes the bumpers FOR Honda under
contract.
Honda buys lots of parts from local sources.Cats,exhaust parts,sensors,...
that's how they keep the US domestic content high enough to qualify as US-
made.

No reason why they can't make extra bumpers and sell them thru their own
distribution networks.

--
Jim Yanik
jyanik
at
kua.net