Re: Hunting for my next car
Joe LaVigne wrote:
> On Sun, 17 Dec 2006 09:25:55 -0800, jim beam wrote: > >> Joe LaVigne wrote: >>> On Sun, 17 Dec 2006 02:33:32 -0800, ElisabethBaker wrote: >>> >>>> Thanks for your responses! >>>> >>>> I have international experience with manual transmission, and a year's >>>> experience with CNG, >>>> so Andy & Carol I know I want manual, and Art, JXStern and Jim Beam I >>>> know I don't want CNG (=natural gas =Civic GX food) >>>> CNG is too inconvenient to find -- I have to spend a lot of time >>>> driving out of my way to get it. >>>> >>>> I have driven with LPG (=LP Gas =autogas) in Europe and wonder, Jim >>>> Beam, how you find it more expensive. >>>> I have understood it to be better for the wallet as well as for the >>>> environment. >>>> >>>> Maybe worldlpgas.com can give me an idea when/where such a car will be >>>> available here in the US, or if you find anything, please do post me! >>>> >>>> Thanks again for your time! >>>> Elisabeth >>>> >>>> On Dec 16, 10:55 am, "ElisabethBaker" <Elisabeth.G.Ba...@gmail.com> >>>> wrote: >>>>> Honda vehicle...manual transmission...built (not modified) to >>>>> run on LPG...want to buy it (new or used) in the United States. >>>>> Where should I look? >>> As far as I can tell, Honda does not make a LPG propelled vehicle >>> (production). At least for the US market. >>> >>> And the GX does not come in a manual. >>> >>> I am kind of leary of driving any vehicle with an explosive pressurized >>> tank, though. Just my own thing, I guess... >> if you're leery of lpg, how do you feel about hydrogen??? > > The same. Anything that puts a pressurized tank of explosive material in > a position to be impacted in a crash is a little scary to me. > > Just having a pressurized tanks of anything is dangerous in a crash. Even > a highly pressurized tank of air being impacted would not be very safe. personally, i'm a good deal more concerned about hydrogen. i had the "privilege" to witness a gas cylinder fire with subsequent explosions one time, from a safe distance, and that was pretty impressive. bits of metal were flying at least 100m vertically each time one went off and the evacuation radius was a good two blocks. in a good hydrogen tank explosion, i wouldn't want to be inside 10 blocks. getting into an accident with one of those things on the highway? there wouldn't be much /scene/ left for accident investigation, let alone bits of car. probably not much point even fitting air bags to one of those things! |
Re: Hunting for my next car
On Sun, 17 Dec 2006 18:44:01 -0800, jim beam wrote:
> personally, i'm a good deal more concerned about hydrogen. i had the > "privilege" to witness a gas cylinder fire with subsequent explosions > one time, from a safe distance, and that was pretty impressive. bits of > metal were flying at least 100m vertically each time one went off and > the evacuation radius was a good two blocks. in a good hydrogen tank > explosion, i wouldn't want to be inside 10 blocks. getting into an > accident with one of those things on the highway? there wouldn't be > much /scene/ left for accident investigation, let alone bits of car. > probably not much point even fitting air bags to one of those things! And what's the point of an investigation if everyone involved in the crash is placed into buckets? |
Re: Hunting for my next car
On Sun, 17 Dec 2006 18:44:01 -0800, jim beam wrote:
> personally, i'm a good deal more concerned about hydrogen. i had the > "privilege" to witness a gas cylinder fire with subsequent explosions > one time, from a safe distance, and that was pretty impressive. bits of > metal were flying at least 100m vertically each time one went off and > the evacuation radius was a good two blocks. in a good hydrogen tank > explosion, i wouldn't want to be inside 10 blocks. getting into an > accident with one of those things on the highway? there wouldn't be > much /scene/ left for accident investigation, let alone bits of car. > probably not much point even fitting air bags to one of those things! And what's the point of an investigation if everyone involved in the crash is placed into buckets? |
Re: Hunting for my next car
On Sun, 17 Dec 2006 18:44:01 -0800, jim beam wrote:
> personally, i'm a good deal more concerned about hydrogen. i had the > "privilege" to witness a gas cylinder fire with subsequent explosions > one time, from a safe distance, and that was pretty impressive. bits of > metal were flying at least 100m vertically each time one went off and > the evacuation radius was a good two blocks. in a good hydrogen tank > explosion, i wouldn't want to be inside 10 blocks. getting into an > accident with one of those things on the highway? there wouldn't be > much /scene/ left for accident investigation, let alone bits of car. > probably not much point even fitting air bags to one of those things! And what's the point of an investigation if everyone involved in the crash is placed into buckets? |
Re: Hunting for my next car
On Sun, 17 Dec 2006 18:44:01 -0800, jim beam wrote:
> personally, i'm a good deal more concerned about hydrogen. i had the > "privilege" to witness a gas cylinder fire with subsequent explosions > one time, from a safe distance, and that was pretty impressive. bits of > metal were flying at least 100m vertically each time one went off and > the evacuation radius was a good two blocks. in a good hydrogen tank > explosion, i wouldn't want to be inside 10 blocks. getting into an > accident with one of those things on the highway? there wouldn't be > much /scene/ left for accident investigation, let alone bits of car. > probably not much point even fitting air bags to one of those things! And what's the point of an investigation if everyone involved in the crash is placed into buckets? |
Re: Hunting for my next car
Joe LaVigne wrote:
> On Sun, 17 Dec 2006 18:44:01 -0800, jim beam wrote: > >> personally, i'm a good deal more concerned about hydrogen. i had the >> "privilege" to witness a gas cylinder fire with subsequent explosions >> one time, from a safe distance, and that was pretty impressive. bits of >> metal were flying at least 100m vertically each time one went off and >> the evacuation radius was a good two blocks. in a good hydrogen tank >> explosion, i wouldn't want to be inside 10 blocks. getting into an >> accident with one of those things on the highway? there wouldn't be >> much /scene/ left for accident investigation, let alone bits of car. >> probably not much point even fitting air bags to one of those things! > > And what's the point of an investigation if everyone involved in the crash > is placed into buckets? dude, there wouldn't be enough bits left to put in a bucket... the point of accident investigation, whether it be plane crashes, car crashes, crane collapses, whatever, is to prevent recurrence. it's hard to do that when evidence is vaporized. |
Re: Hunting for my next car
Joe LaVigne wrote:
> On Sun, 17 Dec 2006 18:44:01 -0800, jim beam wrote: > >> personally, i'm a good deal more concerned about hydrogen. i had the >> "privilege" to witness a gas cylinder fire with subsequent explosions >> one time, from a safe distance, and that was pretty impressive. bits of >> metal were flying at least 100m vertically each time one went off and >> the evacuation radius was a good two blocks. in a good hydrogen tank >> explosion, i wouldn't want to be inside 10 blocks. getting into an >> accident with one of those things on the highway? there wouldn't be >> much /scene/ left for accident investigation, let alone bits of car. >> probably not much point even fitting air bags to one of those things! > > And what's the point of an investigation if everyone involved in the crash > is placed into buckets? dude, there wouldn't be enough bits left to put in a bucket... the point of accident investigation, whether it be plane crashes, car crashes, crane collapses, whatever, is to prevent recurrence. it's hard to do that when evidence is vaporized. |
Re: Hunting for my next car
Joe LaVigne wrote:
> On Sun, 17 Dec 2006 18:44:01 -0800, jim beam wrote: > >> personally, i'm a good deal more concerned about hydrogen. i had the >> "privilege" to witness a gas cylinder fire with subsequent explosions >> one time, from a safe distance, and that was pretty impressive. bits of >> metal were flying at least 100m vertically each time one went off and >> the evacuation radius was a good two blocks. in a good hydrogen tank >> explosion, i wouldn't want to be inside 10 blocks. getting into an >> accident with one of those things on the highway? there wouldn't be >> much /scene/ left for accident investigation, let alone bits of car. >> probably not much point even fitting air bags to one of those things! > > And what's the point of an investigation if everyone involved in the crash > is placed into buckets? dude, there wouldn't be enough bits left to put in a bucket... the point of accident investigation, whether it be plane crashes, car crashes, crane collapses, whatever, is to prevent recurrence. it's hard to do that when evidence is vaporized. |
Re: Hunting for my next car
Joe LaVigne wrote:
> On Sun, 17 Dec 2006 18:44:01 -0800, jim beam wrote: > >> personally, i'm a good deal more concerned about hydrogen. i had the >> "privilege" to witness a gas cylinder fire with subsequent explosions >> one time, from a safe distance, and that was pretty impressive. bits of >> metal were flying at least 100m vertically each time one went off and >> the evacuation radius was a good two blocks. in a good hydrogen tank >> explosion, i wouldn't want to be inside 10 blocks. getting into an >> accident with one of those things on the highway? there wouldn't be >> much /scene/ left for accident investigation, let alone bits of car. >> probably not much point even fitting air bags to one of those things! > > And what's the point of an investigation if everyone involved in the crash > is placed into buckets? dude, there wouldn't be enough bits left to put in a bucket... the point of accident investigation, whether it be plane crashes, car crashes, crane collapses, whatever, is to prevent recurrence. it's hard to do that when evidence is vaporized. |
Re: Hunting for my next car
"jim beam" <spamvortex@bad.example.net> wrote in message
news:b9qdncC3Zc7vnRvYnZ2dnUVZ_oernZ2d@speakeasy.ne t... > > personally, i'm a good deal more concerned about hydrogen. i had the > "privilege" to witness a gas cylinder fire with subsequent explosions one > time, from a safe distance, and that was pretty impressive. bits of metal > were flying at least 100m vertically each time one went off and the > evacuation radius was a good two blocks. in a good hydrogen tank > explosion, i wouldn't want to be inside 10 blocks. getting into an > accident with one of those things on the highway? there wouldn't be much > /scene/ left for accident investigation, let alone bits of car. probably > not much point even fitting air bags to one of those things! In the late '70s there was a hydrogen leak at a transfer station in uptown Phoenix (Indian School near 21st Ave, for the locals). A cryo tanker was on- or off-loading when the leak appeared. The fire department evacuated a half mile radius IIRC. The big concern was a BLEVE, which is not literally a concern with pressurized gases but is a concern with liquified gases. A propane BLEVE involving a railroad tank car in Kingman in July 1973 helped everybody take that seriously. Mike |
Re: Hunting for my next car
"jim beam" <spamvortex@bad.example.net> wrote in message
news:b9qdncC3Zc7vnRvYnZ2dnUVZ_oernZ2d@speakeasy.ne t... > > personally, i'm a good deal more concerned about hydrogen. i had the > "privilege" to witness a gas cylinder fire with subsequent explosions one > time, from a safe distance, and that was pretty impressive. bits of metal > were flying at least 100m vertically each time one went off and the > evacuation radius was a good two blocks. in a good hydrogen tank > explosion, i wouldn't want to be inside 10 blocks. getting into an > accident with one of those things on the highway? there wouldn't be much > /scene/ left for accident investigation, let alone bits of car. probably > not much point even fitting air bags to one of those things! In the late '70s there was a hydrogen leak at a transfer station in uptown Phoenix (Indian School near 21st Ave, for the locals). A cryo tanker was on- or off-loading when the leak appeared. The fire department evacuated a half mile radius IIRC. The big concern was a BLEVE, which is not literally a concern with pressurized gases but is a concern with liquified gases. A propane BLEVE involving a railroad tank car in Kingman in July 1973 helped everybody take that seriously. Mike |
Re: Hunting for my next car
"jim beam" <spamvortex@bad.example.net> wrote in message
news:b9qdncC3Zc7vnRvYnZ2dnUVZ_oernZ2d@speakeasy.ne t... > > personally, i'm a good deal more concerned about hydrogen. i had the > "privilege" to witness a gas cylinder fire with subsequent explosions one > time, from a safe distance, and that was pretty impressive. bits of metal > were flying at least 100m vertically each time one went off and the > evacuation radius was a good two blocks. in a good hydrogen tank > explosion, i wouldn't want to be inside 10 blocks. getting into an > accident with one of those things on the highway? there wouldn't be much > /scene/ left for accident investigation, let alone bits of car. probably > not much point even fitting air bags to one of those things! In the late '70s there was a hydrogen leak at a transfer station in uptown Phoenix (Indian School near 21st Ave, for the locals). A cryo tanker was on- or off-loading when the leak appeared. The fire department evacuated a half mile radius IIRC. The big concern was a BLEVE, which is not literally a concern with pressurized gases but is a concern with liquified gases. A propane BLEVE involving a railroad tank car in Kingman in July 1973 helped everybody take that seriously. Mike |
Re: Hunting for my next car
"jim beam" <spamvortex@bad.example.net> wrote in message
news:b9qdncC3Zc7vnRvYnZ2dnUVZ_oernZ2d@speakeasy.ne t... > > personally, i'm a good deal more concerned about hydrogen. i had the > "privilege" to witness a gas cylinder fire with subsequent explosions one > time, from a safe distance, and that was pretty impressive. bits of metal > were flying at least 100m vertically each time one went off and the > evacuation radius was a good two blocks. in a good hydrogen tank > explosion, i wouldn't want to be inside 10 blocks. getting into an > accident with one of those things on the highway? there wouldn't be much > /scene/ left for accident investigation, let alone bits of car. probably > not much point even fitting air bags to one of those things! In the late '70s there was a hydrogen leak at a transfer station in uptown Phoenix (Indian School near 21st Ave, for the locals). A cryo tanker was on- or off-loading when the leak appeared. The fire department evacuated a half mile radius IIRC. The big concern was a BLEVE, which is not literally a concern with pressurized gases but is a concern with liquified gases. A propane BLEVE involving a railroad tank car in Kingman in July 1973 helped everybody take that seriously. Mike |
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