Re: Hunting for my next car
 

Joe LaVigne wrote:
> On Sun, 17 Dec 2006 18:44:01 -0800, jim beam wrote:
>
>> personally, i'm a good deal more concerned about hydrogen. i had the
>> "privilege" to witness a gas cylinder fire with subsequent explosions
>> one time, from a safe distance, and that was pretty impressive. bits of
>> metal were flying at least 100m vertically each time one went off and
>> the evacuation radius was a good two blocks. in a good hydrogen tank
>> explosion, i wouldn't want to be inside 10 blocks. getting into an
>> accident with one of those things on the highway? there wouldn't be
>> much /scene/ left for accident investigation, let alone bits of car.
>> probably not much point even fitting air bags to one of those things!
>
> And what's the point of an investigation if everyone involved in the crash
> is placed into buckets?

dude, there wouldn't be enough bits left to put in a bucket...

the point of accident investigation, whether it be plane crashes, car
crashes, crane collapses, whatever, is to prevent recurrence. it's hard
to do that when evidence is vaporized.

Re: Hunting for my next car
 

Joe LaVigne wrote:
> On Sun, 17 Dec 2006 18:44:01 -0800, jim beam wrote:
>
>> personally, i'm a good deal more concerned about hydrogen. i had the
>> "privilege" to witness a gas cylinder fire with subsequent explosions
>> one time, from a safe distance, and that was pretty impressive. bits of
>> metal were flying at least 100m vertically each time one went off and
>> the evacuation radius was a good two blocks. in a good hydrogen tank
>> explosion, i wouldn't want to be inside 10 blocks. getting into an
>> accident with one of those things on the highway? there wouldn't be
>> much /scene/ left for accident investigation, let alone bits of car.
>> probably not much point even fitting air bags to one of those things!
>
> And what's the point of an investigation if everyone involved in the crash
> is placed into buckets?

dude, there wouldn't be enough bits left to put in a bucket...

the point of accident investigation, whether it be plane crashes, car
crashes, crane collapses, whatever, is to prevent recurrence. it's hard
to do that when evidence is vaporized.

Re: Hunting for my next car
 

Joe LaVigne wrote:
> On Sun, 17 Dec 2006 18:44:01 -0800, jim beam wrote:
>
>> personally, i'm a good deal more concerned about hydrogen. i had the
>> "privilege" to witness a gas cylinder fire with subsequent explosions
>> one time, from a safe distance, and that was pretty impressive. bits of
>> metal were flying at least 100m vertically each time one went off and
>> the evacuation radius was a good two blocks. in a good hydrogen tank
>> explosion, i wouldn't want to be inside 10 blocks. getting into an
>> accident with one of those things on the highway? there wouldn't be
>> much /scene/ left for accident investigation, let alone bits of car.
>> probably not much point even fitting air bags to one of those things!
>
> And what's the point of an investigation if everyone involved in the crash
> is placed into buckets?

dude, there wouldn't be enough bits left to put in a bucket...

the point of accident investigation, whether it be plane crashes, car
crashes, crane collapses, whatever, is to prevent recurrence. it's hard
to do that when evidence is vaporized.

Re: Hunting for my next car
 

Joe LaVigne wrote:
> On Sun, 17 Dec 2006 18:44:01 -0800, jim beam wrote:
>
>> personally, i'm a good deal more concerned about hydrogen. i had the
>> "privilege" to witness a gas cylinder fire with subsequent explosions
>> one time, from a safe distance, and that was pretty impressive. bits of
>> metal were flying at least 100m vertically each time one went off and
>> the evacuation radius was a good two blocks. in a good hydrogen tank
>> explosion, i wouldn't want to be inside 10 blocks. getting into an
>> accident with one of those things on the highway? there wouldn't be
>> much /scene/ left for accident investigation, let alone bits of car.
>> probably not much point even fitting air bags to one of those things!
>
> And what's the point of an investigation if everyone involved in the crash
> is placed into buckets?

dude, there wouldn't be enough bits left to put in a bucket...

the point of accident investigation, whether it be plane crashes, car
crashes, crane collapses, whatever, is to prevent recurrence. it's hard
to do that when evidence is vaporized.

Re: Hunting for my next car
 

"jim beam" <spamvortex@bad.example.net> wrote in message
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>
> personally, i'm a good deal more concerned about hydrogen. i had the
> "privilege" to witness a gas cylinder fire with subsequent explosions one
> time, from a safe distance, and that was pretty impressive. bits of metal
> were flying at least 100m vertically each time one went off and the
> evacuation radius was a good two blocks. in a good hydrogen tank
> explosion, i wouldn't want to be inside 10 blocks. getting into an
> accident with one of those things on the highway? there wouldn't be much
> /scene/ left for accident investigation, let alone bits of car. probably
> not much point even fitting air bags to one of those things!

In the late '70s there was a hydrogen leak at a transfer station in uptown
Phoenix (Indian School near 21st Ave, for the locals). A cryo tanker was on-
or off-loading when the leak appeared. The fire department evacuated a half
mile radius IIRC. The big concern was a BLEVE, which is not literally a
concern with pressurized gases but is a concern with liquified gases. A
propane BLEVE involving a railroad tank car in Kingman in July 1973 helped
everybody take that seriously.

Mike

Re: Hunting for my next car
 

"jim beam" <spamvortex@bad.example.net> wrote in message
news:b9qdncC3Zc7vnRvYnZ2dnUVZ_oernZ2d@speakeasy.ne t...
>
> personally, i'm a good deal more concerned about hydrogen. i had the
> "privilege" to witness a gas cylinder fire with subsequent explosions one
> time, from a safe distance, and that was pretty impressive. bits of metal
> were flying at least 100m vertically each time one went off and the
> evacuation radius was a good two blocks. in a good hydrogen tank
> explosion, i wouldn't want to be inside 10 blocks. getting into an
> accident with one of those things on the highway? there wouldn't be much
> /scene/ left for accident investigation, let alone bits of car. probably
> not much point even fitting air bags to one of those things!

In the late '70s there was a hydrogen leak at a transfer station in uptown
Phoenix (Indian School near 21st Ave, for the locals). A cryo tanker was on-
or off-loading when the leak appeared. The fire department evacuated a half
mile radius IIRC. The big concern was a BLEVE, which is not literally a
concern with pressurized gases but is a concern with liquified gases. A
propane BLEVE involving a railroad tank car in Kingman in July 1973 helped
everybody take that seriously.

Mike

Re: Hunting for my next car
 

"jim beam" <spamvortex@bad.example.net> wrote in message
news:b9qdncC3Zc7vnRvYnZ2dnUVZ_oernZ2d@speakeasy.ne t...
>
> personally, i'm a good deal more concerned about hydrogen. i had the
> "privilege" to witness a gas cylinder fire with subsequent explosions one
> time, from a safe distance, and that was pretty impressive. bits of metal
> were flying at least 100m vertically each time one went off and the
> evacuation radius was a good two blocks. in a good hydrogen tank
> explosion, i wouldn't want to be inside 10 blocks. getting into an
> accident with one of those things on the highway? there wouldn't be much
> /scene/ left for accident investigation, let alone bits of car. probably
> not much point even fitting air bags to one of those things!

In the late '70s there was a hydrogen leak at a transfer station in uptown
Phoenix (Indian School near 21st Ave, for the locals). A cryo tanker was on-
or off-loading when the leak appeared. The fire department evacuated a half
mile radius IIRC. The big concern was a BLEVE, which is not literally a
concern with pressurized gases but is a concern with liquified gases. A
propane BLEVE involving a railroad tank car in Kingman in July 1973 helped
everybody take that seriously.

Mike

Re: Hunting for my next car
 

"jim beam" <spamvortex@bad.example.net> wrote in message
news:b9qdncC3Zc7vnRvYnZ2dnUVZ_oernZ2d@speakeasy.ne t...
>
> personally, i'm a good deal more concerned about hydrogen. i had the
> "privilege" to witness a gas cylinder fire with subsequent explosions one
> time, from a safe distance, and that was pretty impressive. bits of metal
> were flying at least 100m vertically each time one went off and the
> evacuation radius was a good two blocks. in a good hydrogen tank
> explosion, i wouldn't want to be inside 10 blocks. getting into an
> accident with one of those things on the highway? there wouldn't be much
> /scene/ left for accident investigation, let alone bits of car. probably
> not much point even fitting air bags to one of those things!

In the late '70s there was a hydrogen leak at a transfer station in uptown
Phoenix (Indian School near 21st Ave, for the locals). A cryo tanker was on-
or off-loading when the leak appeared. The fire department evacuated a half
mile radius IIRC. The big concern was a BLEVE, which is not literally a
concern with pressurized gases but is a concern with liquified gases. A
propane BLEVE involving a railroad tank car in Kingman in July 1973 helped
everybody take that seriously.

Mike