Josh S

In article <ffmvdv$gph$1@aioe.org>, "Cam" <Cams18@nospam.com> wrote:

> "EdV" <systmengr@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:1193187638.374142.303720@q3g2000prf.googlegro ups.com...
> > Use the power of the internet. First, create a short ad in youtube to
> > show off your car. After that, people can comment if its a scam or not.
>
>
> Thanks Ed, I thought about that idea too but how can you prove to people
> that your video is not a scam? It can be manipulated like photos. You
> can't video all the way to 800-900 miles of driving, you have to stop and
> start the video, this is where people will have doubt.
>
> I thought about having someone put a security tape on my gas cap to
> guarantee that I will not refuel. This security tape must come from someone
> I do not know. What do you think about this idea?
>
> Cam
First you need to submit your vehicle to a well respected test agency,
to obtain an independent realistic report from their standard test
circuit.
Consumer Reports?

> Thanks for your suggestion, I like your idea for the most part, except that
> this theory isn't just a single device, it is the integration of new
> technology and the improvement of the old technology. It won't be easy to
> undo the work, because it took me 3 days to integrate and test them
> together, so it will take equal time to undo and redo to use your method of
> measurement. I used the Fuel meter and known distance to measure the
> performance along with my calculator. It's a simple math any one can
> understand, because Distance, MPG and hours to drive are all related, plus
> you know your Tank capacity. On the Mercedes, there is a built-in Computer
> that tells you the MPG which is nice.

Your last comments above have created doubt in my mind.
Sounds a bit like the French air car, which hasn't burned up the roads.

Cam

"EdV" <systmengr@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> On Oct 24, 2:41 pm, "Cam" <Cam...@nospam.com> wrote:
>> "EdV" <systme...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>
>> news:1193240183.398113.325080@z24g2000prh.googlegr oups.com...
>>
>>
>>
>> > On Oct 24, 4:23 am, "Cam" <Cam...@nospam.com> wrote:
>> >> "EdV" <systme...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>
>> >>news:1193187638.374142.303720@q3g2000prf.googleg roups.com...
>>
>> >> > Use the power of the internet. First, create a short ad in youtube
>> >> > to
>> >> > show off your car. After that, people can comment if its a scam or
>> >> > not.
>>
>> >> Thanks Ed, I thought about that idea too but how can you prove to
>> >> people
>> >> that your video is not a scam? It can be manipulated like photos.
>> >> You
>> >> can't video all the way to 800-900 miles of driving, you have to stop
>> >> and
>> >> start the video, this is where people will have doubt.
>>
>> >> I thought about having someone put a security tape on my gas cap to
>> >> guarantee that I will not refuel. This security tape must come from
>> >> someone
>> >> I do not know. What do you think about this idea?
>>
>> >> Cam
>>
>> > Well, here are some suggestions:
>>
>> > 1. There are mpg measuring instruments that you plug into a cars ODB
>> > connector.
>> > 2. Can you hook up your device in some standalone electric generator?
>> > Pour half a gallon, or lower, of gas and run the engine and measure
>> > the time before it dies out. Compare it with the engine having no
>> > device installed.
>> > 3. Briefly explain the theory of your product.
>> > 4. Get a DMV inspection before and after, and show the results
>> > 5. The security seal on the tank is a great idea. Have some reputable
>> > third party involvement like AAA. AAA WA will seal the tank and AAA CA
>> > will verify
>> > 6. Team up with bus companies where the driver / passenger will verify
>> > the seal and mileage of your car from start to finish.
>> > 7. Get a service from Infiniti or Mercedes Benz and talk to the
>> > service manager and tell us what they think about your car.
>>
>> > Hope you like these suggestions and good luck!
>>
>> Thanks for your suggestion, I like your idea for the most part, except
>> that
>> this theory isn't just a single device, it is the integration of new
>> technology and the improvement of the old technology. It won't be easy
>> to
>> undo the work, because it took me 3 days to integrate and test them
>> together, so it will take equal time to undo and redo to use your method
>> of
>> measurement. I used the Fuel meter and known distance to measure the
>> performance along with my calculator. It's a simple math any one can
>> understand, because Distance, MPG and hours to drive are all related,
>> plus
>> you know your Tank capacity. On the Mercedes, there is a built-in
>> Computer
>> that tells you the MPG which is nice.
>
> DMV and Manufacturer's comment is important. These are always in the
I do not think DMV will not endorse any one's invention.

> FAQ's,
> 1. Will it void my car's warranty?

Car Manufacturers will always want no one to tamper with their design even
though they have lots of errors in their own design. For instance, when I
first bought my infiniti, I smell motor oil every time I went to have an oil
change, it's typical for Japanese cars and for American car. Do you know
why? they didn't seal the engine comparment very well, so I went ahead and
seal it (to block some oil spill by the technician), so does it mean I break
their warranty? Very likely the car maker will say Yes, but I don't care
since I am doing the right thing. German cars are well made, you won't
smell the oil at all. In any cases, I have NEVER benefit anything from the
car's warranty. Warranty = Guarantee with condition, if your car is new
then they will give you a prompt attention.

> 2. Is this damage my vehicle?
Definitely NO, if it had the ability to damage the car then I would have
been dead long time ago. I put my cars to test on the high-way (up to
100mph) for over a year now, I got speedy tickets while testing, I drove
what I invented. So do you think I want to die? I worked in Engineering
field for over 20 years, everything I do has to be safe and well computed.
The answer is No It will not damage your vehicle, it will extend the life of
your car, because your car will work less hard.

> 3. Will my car pass inspection?
Of course your car will pass the inspection. In fact I already went through
DMV inspection once, it passed without any problem. There is no smoke
whatsoever from the exhaust pipe.

Cam

"EdV" <systmengr@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> On Oct 24, 2:41 pm, "Cam" <Cam...@nospam.com> wrote:
>> "EdV" <systme...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>
>> news:1193240183.398113.325080@z24g2000prh.googlegr oups.com...
>>
>>
>>
>> > On Oct 24, 4:23 am, "Cam" <Cam...@nospam.com> wrote:
>> >> "EdV" <systme...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>
>> >>news:1193187638.374142.303720@q3g2000prf.googleg roups.com...
>>
>> >> > Use the power of the internet. First, create a short ad in youtube
>> >> > to
>> >> > show off your car. After that, people can comment if its a scam or
>> >> > not.
>>
>> >> Thanks Ed, I thought about that idea too but how can you prove to
>> >> people
>> >> that your video is not a scam? It can be manipulated like photos.
>> >> You
>> >> can't video all the way to 800-900 miles of driving, you have to stop
>> >> and
>> >> start the video, this is where people will have doubt.
>>
>> >> I thought about having someone put a security tape on my gas cap to
>> >> guarantee that I will not refuel. This security tape must come from
>> >> someone
>> >> I do not know. What do you think about this idea?
>>
>> >> Cam
>>
>> > Well, here are some suggestions:
>>
>> > 1. There are mpg measuring instruments that you plug into a cars ODB
>> > connector.
>> > 2. Can you hook up your device in some standalone electric generator?
>> > Pour half a gallon, or lower, of gas and run the engine and measure
>> > the time before it dies out. Compare it with the engine having no
>> > device installed.
>> > 3. Briefly explain the theory of your product.
>> > 4. Get a DMV inspection before and after, and show the results
>> > 5. The security seal on the tank is a great idea. Have some reputable
>> > third party involvement like AAA. AAA WA will seal the tank and AAA CA
>> > will verify
>> > 6. Team up with bus companies where the driver / passenger will verify
>> > the seal and mileage of your car from start to finish.
>> > 7. Get a service from Infiniti or Mercedes Benz and talk to the
>> > service manager and tell us what they think about your car.
>>
>> > Hope you like these suggestions and good luck!
>>
>> Thanks for your suggestion, I like your idea for the most part, except
>> that
>> this theory isn't just a single device, it is the integration of new
>> technology and the improvement of the old technology. It won't be easy
>> to
>> undo the work, because it took me 3 days to integrate and test them
>> together, so it will take equal time to undo and redo to use your method
>> of
>> measurement. I used the Fuel meter and known distance to measure the
>> performance along with my calculator. It's a simple math any one can
>> understand, because Distance, MPG and hours to drive are all related,
>> plus
>> you know your Tank capacity. On the Mercedes, there is a built-in
>> Computer
>> that tells you the MPG which is nice.
>
> DMV and Manufacturer's comment is important. These are always in the
I do not think DMV will not endorse any one's invention.

> FAQ's,
> 1. Will it void my car's warranty?

Car Manufacturers will always want no one to tamper with their design even
though they have lots of errors in their own design. For instance, when I
first bought my infiniti, I smell motor oil every time I went to have an oil
change, it's typical for Japanese cars and for American car. Do you know
why? they didn't seal the engine comparment very well, so I went ahead and
seal it (to block some oil spill by the technician), so does it mean I break
their warranty? Very likely the car maker will say Yes, but I don't care
since I am doing the right thing. German cars are well made, you won't
smell the oil at all. In any cases, I have NEVER benefit anything from the
car's warranty. Warranty = Guarantee with condition, if your car is new
then they will give you a prompt attention.

> 2. Is this damage my vehicle?
Definitely NO, if it had the ability to damage the car then I would have
been dead long time ago. I put my cars to test on the high-way (up to
100mph) for over a year now, I got speedy tickets while testing, I drove
what I invented. So do you think I want to die? I worked in Engineering
field for over 20 years, everything I do has to be safe and well computed.
The answer is No It will not damage your vehicle, it will extend the life of
your car, because your car will work less hard.

> 3. Will my car pass inspection?
Of course your car will pass the inspection. In fact I already went through
DMV inspection once, it passed without any problem. There is no smoke
whatsoever from the exhaust pipe.

Cam

"Josh S" <Josh@clean.spam> wrote in message
news:Josh-CEE1DB.00293125102007@news.telus.net...
> In article <ffmvdv$gph$1@aioe.org>, "Cam" <Cams18@nospam.com> wrote:
>
>> "EdV" <systmengr@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:1193187638.374142.303720@q3g2000prf.googlegro ups.com...
>> > Use the power of the internet. First, create a short ad in youtube to
>> > show off your car. After that, people can comment if its a scam or not.
>>
>>
>> Thanks Ed, I thought about that idea too but how can you prove to people
>> that your video is not a scam? It can be manipulated like photos. You
>> can't video all the way to 800-900 miles of driving, you have to stop and
>> start the video, this is where people will have doubt.
>>
>> I thought about having someone put a security tape on my gas cap to
>> guarantee that I will not refuel. This security tape must come from
>> someone
>> I do not know. What do you think about this idea?
>>
>> Cam
> First you need to submit your vehicle to a well respected test agency,
> to obtain an independent realistic report from their standard test
> circuit.
> Consumer Reports?
>
>> Thanks for your suggestion, I like your idea for the most part, except
>> that
>> this theory isn't just a single device, it is the integration of new
>> technology and the improvement of the old technology. It won't be easy
>> to
>> undo the work, because it took me 3 days to integrate and test them
>> together, so it will take equal time to undo and redo to use your method
>> of
>> measurement. I used the Fuel meter and known distance to measure the
>> performance along with my calculator. It's a simple math any one can
>> understand, because Distance, MPG and hours to drive are all related,
>> plus
>> you know your Tank capacity. On the Mercedes, there is a built-in
>> Computer
>> that tells you the MPG which is nice.
>
> Your last comments above have created doubt in my mind.
> Sounds a bit like the French air car, which hasn't burned up the roads.



It's your own imagination. Do not let your faulty imagination drive you
nuts. I agree, I do not like the French cars, however their math is much
more easier to handle the complexity. I am not French but I went to French
schools when I was little. My English is not perfect, because I was not born
with it. If you judge people by their tongues, then you are looking at
their tongues rather than their brains.

Cam

"Josh S" <Josh@clean.spam> wrote in message
news:Josh-CEE1DB.00293125102007@news.telus.net...
> In article <ffmvdv$gph$1@aioe.org>, "Cam" <Cams18@nospam.com> wrote:
>
>> "EdV" <systmengr@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:1193187638.374142.303720@q3g2000prf.googlegro ups.com...
>> > Use the power of the internet. First, create a short ad in youtube to
>> > show off your car. After that, people can comment if its a scam or not.
>>
>>
>> Thanks Ed, I thought about that idea too but how can you prove to people
>> that your video is not a scam? It can be manipulated like photos. You
>> can't video all the way to 800-900 miles of driving, you have to stop and
>> start the video, this is where people will have doubt.
>>
>> I thought about having someone put a security tape on my gas cap to
>> guarantee that I will not refuel. This security tape must come from
>> someone
>> I do not know. What do you think about this idea?
>>
>> Cam
> First you need to submit your vehicle to a well respected test agency,
> to obtain an independent realistic report from their standard test
> circuit.
> Consumer Reports?
>
>> Thanks for your suggestion, I like your idea for the most part, except
>> that
>> this theory isn't just a single device, it is the integration of new
>> technology and the improvement of the old technology. It won't be easy
>> to
>> undo the work, because it took me 3 days to integrate and test them
>> together, so it will take equal time to undo and redo to use your method
>> of
>> measurement. I used the Fuel meter and known distance to measure the
>> performance along with my calculator. It's a simple math any one can
>> understand, because Distance, MPG and hours to drive are all related,
>> plus
>> you know your Tank capacity. On the Mercedes, there is a built-in
>> Computer
>> that tells you the MPG which is nice.
>
> Your last comments above have created doubt in my mind.
> Sounds a bit like the French air car, which hasn't burned up the roads.



It's your own imagination. Do not let your faulty imagination drive you
nuts. I agree, I do not like the French cars, however their math is much
more easier to handle the complexity. I am not French but I went to French
schools when I was little. My English is not perfect, because I was not born
with it. If you judge people by their tongues, then you are looking at
their tongues rather than their brains.

Cam

"Geoff Miller" <geoffm@lava.net> wrote in message
news:13hv7qncn5r0734@corp.supernews.com...
>
>
> Cam <Cams18@nospam.com> wrote:
>
> [to "Tegger"]
>
>>> And I'm not from the USA.
>
>> You're right, sorry about that.
>
>
> What you _should_ be apologizing for is being chauvinistic
> about Americans, not mistaking somebody for one.
>
>
>
> Geoff
>
> --
> "When his life was ruined, his family killed, his farm destroyed,
> Job knelt down on the ground and yelled up to the heavens, 'Why,
> God? Why me?' and the thundering voice of God answered, 'There's
> just something about you that pisses me off.'" -- Stephen King



I think you need to trace where the fire started, and fix it at the root
level. Some of you started to make fun of me first without any evidence.
This is not the first time, back in April 2007, I claimed I have
successfully accomplished a 50mpg, some of you called me Mr.. snake oil, now
I went to 65-73mpg, you still called me Mr. snake oil.


The golden rule is:
"Do not do unto others as you would they should do unto you."

Cam

"Geoff Miller" <geoffm@lava.net> wrote in message
news:13hv7qncn5r0734@corp.supernews.com...
>
>
> Cam <Cams18@nospam.com> wrote:
>
> [to "Tegger"]
>
>>> And I'm not from the USA.
>
>> You're right, sorry about that.
>
>
> What you _should_ be apologizing for is being chauvinistic
> about Americans, not mistaking somebody for one.
>
>
>
> Geoff
>
> --
> "When his life was ruined, his family killed, his farm destroyed,
> Job knelt down on the ground and yelled up to the heavens, 'Why,
> God? Why me?' and the thundering voice of God answered, 'There's
> just something about you that pisses me off.'" -- Stephen King



I think you need to trace where the fire started, and fix it at the root
level. Some of you started to make fun of me first without any evidence.
This is not the first time, back in April 2007, I claimed I have
successfully accomplished a 50mpg, some of you called me Mr.. snake oil, now
I went to 65-73mpg, you still called me Mr. snake oil.


The golden rule is:
"Do not do unto others as you would they should do unto you."

Geoff Miller

Cam <Cams18@nospam.com> writes:

: What you _should_ be apologizing for is being chauvinistic
: about Americans, not mistaking somebody for one.

> I think you need to trace where the fire started, and fix it
> at the root level. Some of you started to make fun of me
> first without any evidence. This is not the first time, back
> in April 2007, I claimed I have successfully accomplished a
> 50mpg, some of you called me Mr.. snake oil, now I went to
> 65-73mpg, you still called me Mr. snake oil.


Nice attempt at diversion. What's that got to do with your being
chauvinistic toward Americans?



Geoff

--
"When his life was ruined, his family killed, his farm destroyed,
Job knelt down on the ground and yelled up to the heavens, 'Why,
God? Why me?' and the thundering voice of God answered, 'There's
just something about you that pisses me off.'" -- Stephen King

Geoff Miller

Cam <Cams18@nospam.com> writes:

: What you _should_ be apologizing for is being chauvinistic
: about Americans, not mistaking somebody for one.

> I think you need to trace where the fire started, and fix it
> at the root level. Some of you started to make fun of me
> first without any evidence. This is not the first time, back
> in April 2007, I claimed I have successfully accomplished a
> 50mpg, some of you called me Mr.. snake oil, now I went to
> 65-73mpg, you still called me Mr. snake oil.


Nice attempt at diversion. What's that got to do with your being
chauvinistic toward Americans?



Geoff

--
"When his life was ruined, his family killed, his farm destroyed,
Job knelt down on the ground and yelled up to the heavens, 'Why,
God? Why me?' and the thundering voice of God answered, 'There's
just something about you that pisses me off.'" -- Stephen King

Edward W. Thompson

On Thu, 25 Oct 2007 07:29:31 GMT, Josh S <Josh@clean.spam> wrote:

>In article <ffmvdv$gph$1@aioe.org>, "Cam" <Cams18@nospam.com> wrote:
>
>> "EdV" <systmengr@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:1193187638.374142.303720@q3g2000prf.googlegro ups.com...
>> > Use the power of the internet. First, create a short ad in youtube to
>> > show off your car. After that, people can comment if its a scam or not.
>>
>>
>> Thanks Ed, I thought about that idea too but how can you prove to people
>> that your video is not a scam? It can be manipulated like photos. You
>> can't video all the way to 800-900 miles of driving, you have to stop and
>> start the video, this is where people will have doubt.
>>
>> I thought about having someone put a security tape on my gas cap to
>> guarantee that I will not refuel. This security tape must come from someone
>> I do not know. What do you think about this idea?
>>
>> Cam
>First you need to submit your vehicle to a well respected test agency,
>to obtain an independent realistic report from their standard test
>circuit.
>Consumer Reports?
>
>> Thanks for your suggestion, I like your idea for the most part, except that
>> this theory isn't just a single device, it is the integration of new
>> technology and the improvement of the old technology. It won't be easy to
>> undo the work, because it took me 3 days to integrate and test them
>> together, so it will take equal time to undo and redo to use your method of
>> measurement. I used the Fuel meter and known distance to measure the
>> performance along with my calculator. It's a simple math any one can
>> understand, because Distance, MPG and hours to drive are all related, plus
>> you know your Tank capacity. On the Mercedes, there is a built-in Computer
>> that tells you the MPG which is nice.
>
>Your last comments above have created doubt in my mind.
>Sounds a bit like the French air car, which hasn't burned up the roads.

I really can't understand how you guys can give this claim any
credibility. Simply think it through. Without modifying the basic
engine and by simply modifying timing and the fuel injection
characteristics a very substantial invcrease in fuel consumption can
be achieved. If significant improvement in fuel consumption can so
easily be achieved why are manufacturers spending substantail money on
trying to improve fuel consumption by designing ever more economical
vehicles, hybrids, fuel cells and the like? The manufacturers'
engineers must be truly incompetent!

Edward W. Thompson

On Thu, 25 Oct 2007 07:29:31 GMT, Josh S <Josh@clean.spam> wrote:

>In article <ffmvdv$gph$1@aioe.org>, "Cam" <Cams18@nospam.com> wrote:
>
>> "EdV" <systmengr@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:1193187638.374142.303720@q3g2000prf.googlegro ups.com...
>> > Use the power of the internet. First, create a short ad in youtube to
>> > show off your car. After that, people can comment if its a scam or not.
>>
>>
>> Thanks Ed, I thought about that idea too but how can you prove to people
>> that your video is not a scam? It can be manipulated like photos. You
>> can't video all the way to 800-900 miles of driving, you have to stop and
>> start the video, this is where people will have doubt.
>>
>> I thought about having someone put a security tape on my gas cap to
>> guarantee that I will not refuel. This security tape must come from someone
>> I do not know. What do you think about this idea?
>>
>> Cam
>First you need to submit your vehicle to a well respected test agency,
>to obtain an independent realistic report from their standard test
>circuit.
>Consumer Reports?
>
>> Thanks for your suggestion, I like your idea for the most part, except that
>> this theory isn't just a single device, it is the integration of new
>> technology and the improvement of the old technology. It won't be easy to
>> undo the work, because it took me 3 days to integrate and test them
>> together, so it will take equal time to undo and redo to use your method of
>> measurement. I used the Fuel meter and known distance to measure the
>> performance along with my calculator. It's a simple math any one can
>> understand, because Distance, MPG and hours to drive are all related, plus
>> you know your Tank capacity. On the Mercedes, there is a built-in Computer
>> that tells you the MPG which is nice.
>
>Your last comments above have created doubt in my mind.
>Sounds a bit like the French air car, which hasn't burned up the roads.

I really can't understand how you guys can give this claim any
credibility. Simply think it through. Without modifying the basic
engine and by simply modifying timing and the fuel injection
characteristics a very substantial invcrease in fuel consumption can
be achieved. If significant improvement in fuel consumption can so
easily be achieved why are manufacturers spending substantail money on
trying to improve fuel consumption by designing ever more economical
vehicles, hybrids, fuel cells and the like? The manufacturers'
engineers must be truly incompetent!

EdV

On Oct 25, 11:59 am, "Cam" <Cam...@nospam.com> wrote:
> "EdV" <systme...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>
> news:1193252276.156045.254150@t8g2000prg.googlegro ups.com...
>
> > On Oct 24, 2:41 pm, "Cam" <Cam...@nospam.com> wrote:
> >> "EdV" <systme...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>
> >>news:1193240183.398113.325080@z24g2000prh.google groups.com...
>
> >> > On Oct 24, 4:23 am, "Cam" <Cam...@nospam.com> wrote:
> >> >> "EdV" <systme...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>
> >> >>news:1193187638.374142.303720@q3g2000prf.googleg roups.com...
>
> >> >> > Use the power of the internet. First, create a short ad in youtube
> >> >> > to
> >> >> > show off your car. After that, people can comment if its a scam or
> >> >> > not.
>
> >> >> Thanks Ed, I thought about that idea too but how can you prove to
> >> >> people
> >> >> that your video is not a scam? It can be manipulated like photos.
> >> >> You
> >> >> can't video all the way to 800-900 miles of driving, you have to stop
> >> >> and
> >> >> start the video, this is where people will have doubt.
>
> >> >> I thought about having someone put a security tape on my gas cap to
> >> >> guarantee that I will not refuel. This security tape must come from
> >> >> someone
> >> >> I do not know. What do you think about this idea?
>
> >> >> Cam
>
> >> > Well, here are some suggestions:
>
> >> > 1. There are mpg measuring instruments that you plug into a cars ODB
> >> > connector.
> >> > 2. Can you hook up your device in some standalone electric generator?
> >> > Pour half a gallon, or lower, of gas and run the engine and measure
> >> > the time before it dies out. Compare it with the engine having no
> >> > device installed.
> >> > 3. Briefly explain the theory of your product.
> >> > 4. Get a DMV inspection before and after, and show the results
> >> > 5. The security seal on the tank is a great idea. Have some reputable
> >> > third party involvement like AAA. AAA WA will seal the tank and AAA CA
> >> > will verify
> >> > 6. Team up with bus companies where the driver / passenger will verify
> >> > the seal and mileage of your car from start to finish.
> >> > 7. Get a service from Infiniti or Mercedes Benz and talk to the
> >> > service manager and tell us what they think about your car.
>
> >> > Hope you like these suggestions and good luck!
>
> >> Thanks for your suggestion, I like your idea for the most part, except
> >> that
> >> this theory isn't just a single device, it is the integration of new
> >> technology and the improvement of the old technology. It won't be easy
> >> to
> >> undo the work, because it took me 3 days to integrate and test them
> >> together, so it will take equal time to undo and redo to use your method
> >> of
> >> measurement. I used the Fuel meter and known distance to measure the
> >> performance along with my calculator. It's a simple math any one can
> >> understand, because Distance, MPG and hours to drive are all related,
> >> plus
> >> you know your Tank capacity. On the Mercedes, there is a built-in
> >> Computer
> >> that tells you the MPG which is nice.
>
> > DMV and Manufacturer's comment is important. These are always in the
>
> I do not think DMV will not endorse any one's invention.
>
> > FAQ's,
> > 1. Will it void my car's warranty?
>
> Car Manufacturers will always want no one to tamper with their design even
> though they have lots of errors in their own design. For instance, when I
> first bought my infiniti, I smell motor oil every time I went to have an oil
> change, it's typical for Japanese cars and for American car. Do you know
> why? they didn't seal the engine comparment very well, so I went ahead and
> seal it (to block some oil spill by the technician), so does it mean I break
> their warranty? Very likely the car maker will say Yes, but I don't care
> since I am doing the right thing. German cars are well made, you won't
> smell the oil at all. In any cases, I have NEVER benefit anything from the
> car's warranty. Warranty = Guarantee with condition, if your car is new
> then they will give you a prompt attention.

You have never seen the oil on my BMW E34 =) Anyway, warranty is
important as long as the car doesn't breakdown because of the add on
modification.

>
> > 2. Is this damage my vehicle?
>
> Definitely NO, if it had the ability to damage the car then I would have
> been dead long time ago. I put my cars to test on the high-way (up to
> 100mph) for over a year now, I got speedy tickets while testing, I drove
> what I invented. So do you think I want to die? I worked in Engineering
> field for over 20 years, everything I do has to be safe and well computed.
> The answer is No It will not damage your vehicle, it will extend the life of
> your car, because your car will work less hard.

What's holding you back, for $99 but 50% inc in MPG people will buy
them. Some still use acetone in their fuel. Tornados and other devices
are still popular even if EPA test reveal no savings.

Just make sure you offer a 30 day money back guarantee and it will not
be busted by discovery channels mythbusters =) If the principle
behind the method will stand the criticisms here in this news group
then for sure you already have an idea on what the actual market will
say.

By the way, when you buy the book it comes with the device?

EdV

On Oct 25, 11:59 am, "Cam" <Cam...@nospam.com> wrote:
> "EdV" <systme...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>
> news:1193252276.156045.254150@t8g2000prg.googlegro ups.com...
>
> > On Oct 24, 2:41 pm, "Cam" <Cam...@nospam.com> wrote:
> >> "EdV" <systme...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>
> >>news:1193240183.398113.325080@z24g2000prh.google groups.com...
>
> >> > On Oct 24, 4:23 am, "Cam" <Cam...@nospam.com> wrote:
> >> >> "EdV" <systme...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>
> >> >>news:1193187638.374142.303720@q3g2000prf.googleg roups.com...
>
> >> >> > Use the power of the internet. First, create a short ad in youtube
> >> >> > to
> >> >> > show off your car. After that, people can comment if its a scam or
> >> >> > not.
>
> >> >> Thanks Ed, I thought about that idea too but how can you prove to
> >> >> people
> >> >> that your video is not a scam? It can be manipulated like photos.
> >> >> You
> >> >> can't video all the way to 800-900 miles of driving, you have to stop
> >> >> and
> >> >> start the video, this is where people will have doubt.
>
> >> >> I thought about having someone put a security tape on my gas cap to
> >> >> guarantee that I will not refuel. This security tape must come from
> >> >> someone
> >> >> I do not know. What do you think about this idea?
>
> >> >> Cam
>
> >> > Well, here are some suggestions:
>
> >> > 1. There are mpg measuring instruments that you plug into a cars ODB
> >> > connector.
> >> > 2. Can you hook up your device in some standalone electric generator?
> >> > Pour half a gallon, or lower, of gas and run the engine and measure
> >> > the time before it dies out. Compare it with the engine having no
> >> > device installed.
> >> > 3. Briefly explain the theory of your product.
> >> > 4. Get a DMV inspection before and after, and show the results
> >> > 5. The security seal on the tank is a great idea. Have some reputable
> >> > third party involvement like AAA. AAA WA will seal the tank and AAA CA
> >> > will verify
> >> > 6. Team up with bus companies where the driver / passenger will verify
> >> > the seal and mileage of your car from start to finish.
> >> > 7. Get a service from Infiniti or Mercedes Benz and talk to the
> >> > service manager and tell us what they think about your car.
>
> >> > Hope you like these suggestions and good luck!
>
> >> Thanks for your suggestion, I like your idea for the most part, except
> >> that
> >> this theory isn't just a single device, it is the integration of new
> >> technology and the improvement of the old technology. It won't be easy
> >> to
> >> undo the work, because it took me 3 days to integrate and test them
> >> together, so it will take equal time to undo and redo to use your method
> >> of
> >> measurement. I used the Fuel meter and known distance to measure the
> >> performance along with my calculator. It's a simple math any one can
> >> understand, because Distance, MPG and hours to drive are all related,
> >> plus
> >> you know your Tank capacity. On the Mercedes, there is a built-in
> >> Computer
> >> that tells you the MPG which is nice.
>
> > DMV and Manufacturer's comment is important. These are always in the
>
> I do not think DMV will not endorse any one's invention.
>
> > FAQ's,
> > 1. Will it void my car's warranty?
>
> Car Manufacturers will always want no one to tamper with their design even
> though they have lots of errors in their own design. For instance, when I
> first bought my infiniti, I smell motor oil every time I went to have an oil
> change, it's typical for Japanese cars and for American car. Do you know
> why? they didn't seal the engine comparment very well, so I went ahead and
> seal it (to block some oil spill by the technician), so does it mean I break
> their warranty? Very likely the car maker will say Yes, but I don't care
> since I am doing the right thing. German cars are well made, you won't
> smell the oil at all. In any cases, I have NEVER benefit anything from the
> car's warranty. Warranty = Guarantee with condition, if your car is new
> then they will give you a prompt attention.

You have never seen the oil on my BMW E34 =) Anyway, warranty is
important as long as the car doesn't breakdown because of the add on
modification.

>
> > 2. Is this damage my vehicle?
>
> Definitely NO, if it had the ability to damage the car then I would have
> been dead long time ago. I put my cars to test on the high-way (up to
> 100mph) for over a year now, I got speedy tickets while testing, I drove
> what I invented. So do you think I want to die? I worked in Engineering
> field for over 20 years, everything I do has to be safe and well computed.
> The answer is No It will not damage your vehicle, it will extend the life of
> your car, because your car will work less hard.

What's holding you back, for $99 but 50% inc in MPG people will buy
them. Some still use acetone in their fuel. Tornados and other devices
are still popular even if EPA test reveal no savings.

Just make sure you offer a 30 day money back guarantee and it will not
be busted by discovery channels mythbusters =) If the principle
behind the method will stand the criticisms here in this news group
then for sure you already have an idea on what the actual market will
say.

By the way, when you buy the book it comes with the device?

cognite tute

Edward W. Thompson wrote:
> On Thu, 25 Oct 2007 07:29:31 GMT, Josh S <Josh@clean.spam> wrote:
>
>
>>In article <ffmvdv$gph$1@aioe.org>, "Cam" <Cams18@nospam.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>"EdV" <systmengr@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>>news:1193187638.374142.303720@q3g2000prf.google groups.com...
>>>
>>>>Use the power of the internet. First, create a short ad in youtube to
>>>>show off your car. After that, people can comment if its a scam or not.
>>>
>>>
>>>Thanks Ed, I thought about that idea too but how can you prove to people
>>>that your video is not a scam? It can be manipulated like photos. You
>>>can't video all the way to 800-900 miles of driving, you have to stop and
>>>start the video, this is where people will have doubt.
>>>
>>>I thought about having someone put a security tape on my gas cap to
>>>guarantee that I will not refuel. This security tape must come from someone
>>>I do not know. What do you think about this idea?
>>>
>>>Cam
>>
>>First you need to submit your vehicle to a well respected test agency,
>>to obtain an independent realistic report from their standard test
>>circuit.
>>Consumer Reports?
>>
>>
>>>Thanks for your suggestion, I like your idea for the most part, except that
>>>this theory isn't just a single device, it is the integration of new
>>>technology and the improvement of the old technology. It won't be easy to
>>>undo the work, because it took me 3 days to integrate and test them
>>>together, so it will take equal time to undo and redo to use your method of
>>>measurement. I used the Fuel meter and known distance to measure the
>>>performance along with my calculator. It's a simple math any one can
>>>understand, because Distance, MPG and hours to drive are all related, plus
>>>you know your Tank capacity. On the Mercedes, there is a built-in Computer
>>>that tells you the MPG which is nice.
>>
>>Your last comments above have created doubt in my mind.
>>Sounds a bit like the French air car, which hasn't burned up the roads.
>
>
> I really can't understand how you guys can give this claim any
> credibility. Simply think it through. Without modifying the basic
> engine and by simply modifying timing and the fuel injection
> characteristics a very substantial invcrease in fuel consumption can
> be achieved. If significant improvement in fuel consumption can so
> easily be achieved why are manufacturers spending substantail money on
> trying to improve fuel consumption by designing ever more economical
> vehicles, hybrids, fuel cells and the like? The manufacturers'
> engineers must be truly incompetent!

You know, that's the problem, they are not.

They are the best that money can buy.

So, if the choice is either you are right and they are wrong, or you are
wrong and they are right, well, I will go with the latter.

Extreme claims require extreme proof.

j.

cognite tute

Edward W. Thompson wrote:
> On Thu, 25 Oct 2007 07:29:31 GMT, Josh S <Josh@clean.spam> wrote:
>
>
>>In article <ffmvdv$gph$1@aioe.org>, "Cam" <Cams18@nospam.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>"EdV" <systmengr@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>>news:1193187638.374142.303720@q3g2000prf.google groups.com...
>>>
>>>>Use the power of the internet. First, create a short ad in youtube to
>>>>show off your car. After that, people can comment if its a scam or not.
>>>
>>>
>>>Thanks Ed, I thought about that idea too but how can you prove to people
>>>that your video is not a scam? It can be manipulated like photos. You
>>>can't video all the way to 800-900 miles of driving, you have to stop and
>>>start the video, this is where people will have doubt.
>>>
>>>I thought about having someone put a security tape on my gas cap to
>>>guarantee that I will not refuel. This security tape must come from someone
>>>I do not know. What do you think about this idea?
>>>
>>>Cam
>>
>>First you need to submit your vehicle to a well respected test agency,
>>to obtain an independent realistic report from their standard test
>>circuit.
>>Consumer Reports?
>>
>>
>>>Thanks for your suggestion, I like your idea for the most part, except that
>>>this theory isn't just a single device, it is the integration of new
>>>technology and the improvement of the old technology. It won't be easy to
>>>undo the work, because it took me 3 days to integrate and test them
>>>together, so it will take equal time to undo and redo to use your method of
>>>measurement. I used the Fuel meter and known distance to measure the
>>>performance along with my calculator. It's a simple math any one can
>>>understand, because Distance, MPG and hours to drive are all related, plus
>>>you know your Tank capacity. On the Mercedes, there is a built-in Computer
>>>that tells you the MPG which is nice.
>>
>>Your last comments above have created doubt in my mind.
>>Sounds a bit like the French air car, which hasn't burned up the roads.
>
>
> I really can't understand how you guys can give this claim any
> credibility. Simply think it through. Without modifying the basic
> engine and by simply modifying timing and the fuel injection
> characteristics a very substantial invcrease in fuel consumption can
> be achieved. If significant improvement in fuel consumption can so
> easily be achieved why are manufacturers spending substantail money on
> trying to improve fuel consumption by designing ever more economical
> vehicles, hybrids, fuel cells and the like? The manufacturers'
> engineers must be truly incompetent!

You know, that's the problem, they are not.

They are the best that money can buy.

So, if the choice is either you are right and they are wrong, or you are
wrong and they are right, well, I will go with the latter.

Extreme claims require extreme proof.

j.