I broke off my Oxygen sensor
 

In the process of trying to replace my O2 (Oxygen) sensor on my 1993
honda civic EX, I broke the old one off. I tried some usual stuff,
knocking it with a hammer, liberal WD-40, running the car for a bit to
heat up the manifold. Anyway, TINK! it broke. Any suggestions?

Two pictures of the sensor and manifold
http://img416.imageshack.us/my.php?i...anifold7eh.jpg
http://img416.imageshack.us/my.php?i...2sensor9it.jpg

Re: I broke off my Oxygen sensor
 

Danny Beardsley wrote:
> In the process of trying to replace my O2 (Oxygen) sensor on my 1993
> honda civic EX, I broke the old one off. I tried some usual stuff,
> knocking it with a hammer, liberal WD-40, running the car for a bit to
> heat up the manifold. Anyway, TINK! it broke. Any suggestions?
>
> Two pictures of the sensor and manifold
> http://img416.imageshack.us/my.php?i...anifold7eh.jpg
> http://img416.imageshack.us/my.php?i...2sensor9it.jpg
>

First of all, WD-40 is not a penetrating oil, claims to the contrary by
the manufacturer and thousands of users notwithstanding. It's a little
late now, but really, you should have used Kroil, PB Blaster, or one of
the other purpose-made penetrating oils rather than WD-40. Guess you
will remember that next time :/

Now as to your immediate situation - that sucker is broken off in a very
difficult way. I would personally suggest, if you have access, dropping
the downpipe so the bottom of the manifold is open, and then trying to
drill it out with successively larger drill bits. If you are lucky the
drill bit will "catch" and spin the remaining piece out into the
manifold (this is why I suggested dropping the downpipe.) If you are
less than lucky, you'll end up drilling it out to the threads, in which
case a spark plug thread chaser tap should clean them up.

You may find it easier to remove the manifold from the car; I haven't
ever worked on a Honda so I don't know how difficult access is vs.
manifold removal.

Needless to say, put some anti-seize on the threads of the new O2
sensor, and next time you go to replace one, before you get to the point
of breakage, try heating the manifold around the sensor with a torch,
pref. oxyacetylene if you have access to one.

good luck,

nate

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Re: I broke off my Oxygen sensor
 

On 31 Dec 2005 13:07:38 -0800, "Danny Beardsley" <dbeardsl@gmail.com>
wrote:

>In the process of trying to replace my O2 (Oxygen) sensor on my 1993
>honda civic EX, I broke the old one off. I tried some usual stuff,
>knocking it with a hammer, liberal WD-40, running the car for a bit to
>heat up the manifold. Anyway, TINK! it broke. Any suggestions?
>
>Two pictures of the sensor and manifold
>http://img416.imageshack.us/my.php?i...anifold7eh.jpg
>http://img416.imageshack.us/my.php?i...2sensor9it.jpg

Liquid Wrench penetrating oil. Soak repeatedly. Then pull all the
garbage out of the center of the O2 sensor that is still in the
manifold, and use an EZ OUT, or just drill the sucker with a large
drill bit until it spins off on its own.

Lg

WD 40 is $hit in a can.

Re: I broke off my Oxygen sensor
 

"Lawrence Glickman" <Lawrence_Glickman@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:2audr15j8gcs2lfc5p15plffrupe3tnbti@4ax.com...
> On 31 Dec 2005 13:07:38 -0800, "Danny Beardsley" <dbeardsl@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>>In the process of trying to replace my O2 (Oxygen) sensor on my 1993
>>honda civic EX, I broke the old one off. I tried some usual stuff,
>>knocking it with a hammer, liberal WD-40, running the car for a bit to
>>heat up the manifold. Anyway, TINK! it broke. Any suggestions?
>>
>>Two pictures of the sensor and manifold
>>http://img416.imageshack.us/my.php?i...anifold7eh.jpg
>>http://img416.imageshack.us/my.php?i...2sensor9it.jpg
>
> Liquid Wrench penetrating oil. Soak repeatedly. Then pull all the
> garbage out of the center of the O2 sensor that is still in the
> manifold, and use an EZ OUT, or just drill the sucker with a large
> drill bit until it spins off on its own.
>
> Lg
>
> WD 40 is $hit in a can.

Or you can also use a pipe tool that when you turn it counterclockwise,
will grab the inside of whatever is left in there and will come out. I had
a similar problem with my lawn tractor.... the drain pipe for the oil was
way too short and wanted to lenghten it. Well somehow, it broke off right at
the edge of the engine block and I used one of those pipe tools that goes
inside. I got it at home repo (depot) for not too much.

Good Luck,

Fwed

Re: I broke off my Oxygen sensor
 

Danny Beardsley wrote:
> In the process of trying to replace my O2 (Oxygen) sensor on my 1993
> honda civic EX, I broke the old one off. I tried some usual stuff,
> knocking it with a hammer, liberal WD-40, running the car for a bit to
> heat up the manifold. Anyway, TINK! it broke. Any suggestions?
>
> Two pictures of the sensor and manifold
> http://img416.imageshack.us/my.php?i...anifold7eh.jpg
> http://img416.imageshack.us/my.php?i...2sensor9it.jpg
>

yeesh. some options, in no particular order-

junkyard manifold
new manifold
new header
take it to a machine shop- let them get it out and rethread it
you drill it out/rethread it
hammer big flathead screwdriver into it, try to turn
judicious use of an air chisel, big flathead, try to turn

Re: I broke off my Oxygen sensor
 

fweddybear wrote:
> "Lawrence Glickman" <Lawrence_Glickman@comcast.net> wrote in message
> news:2audr15j8gcs2lfc5p15plffrupe3tnbti@4ax.com...
>
>>On 31 Dec 2005 13:07:38 -0800, "Danny Beardsley" <dbeardsl@gmail.com>
>>wrote:
>>
>>
>>>In the process of trying to replace my O2 (Oxygen) sensor on my 1993
>>>honda civic EX, I broke the old one off. I tried some usual stuff,
>>>knocking it with a hammer, liberal WD-40, running the car for a bit to
>>>heat up the manifold. Anyway, TINK! it broke. Any suggestions?
>>>
>>>Two pictures of the sensor and manifold
>>>http://img416.imageshack.us/my.php?i...anifold7eh.jpg
>>>http://img416.imageshack.us/my.php?i...2sensor9it.jpg
>>
>>Liquid Wrench penetrating oil. Soak repeatedly. Then pull all the
>>garbage out of the center of the O2 sensor that is still in the
>>manifold, and use an EZ OUT, or just drill the sucker with a large
>>drill bit until it spins off on its own.
>>
>>Lg
>>
>>WD 40 is $hit in a can.
>
>
> Or you can also use a pipe tool that when you turn it counterclockwise,
> will grab the inside of whatever is left in there and will come out. I had
> a similar problem with my lawn tractor.... the drain pipe for the oil was
> way too short and wanted to lenghten it. Well somehow, it broke off right at
> the edge of the engine block and I used one of those pipe tools that goes
> inside. I got it at home repo (depot) for not too much.
>
> Good Luck,
>
> Fwed
>
>

Hmm, I've never seen what you're describing, but it sounds like
something to add to the bag o' tricks. Is this a plumbing tool? I will
have to look next time I'm at Home Despot.

nate

PS - I have never had any luck with EZ-outs. They always seem to break
on me.

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Re: I broke off my Oxygen sensor
 

On Sat, 31 Dec 2005 16:41:53 -0500, "fweddybear" <fweddybear@cox.net>
wrote:

>
>"Lawrence Glickman" <Lawrence_Glickman@comcast.net> wrote in message
>news:2audr15j8gcs2lfc5p15plffrupe3tnbti@4ax.com.. .
>> On 31 Dec 2005 13:07:38 -0800, "Danny Beardsley" <dbeardsl@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>>In the process of trying to replace my O2 (Oxygen) sensor on my 1993
>>>honda civic EX, I broke the old one off. I tried some usual stuff,
>>>knocking it with a hammer, liberal WD-40, running the car for a bit to
>>>heat up the manifold. Anyway, TINK! it broke. Any suggestions?
>>>
>>>Two pictures of the sensor and manifold
>>>http://img416.imageshack.us/my.php?i...anifold7eh.jpg
>>>http://img416.imageshack.us/my.php?i...2sensor9it.jpg
>>
>> Liquid Wrench penetrating oil. Soak repeatedly. Then pull all the
>> garbage out of the center of the O2 sensor that is still in the
>> manifold, and use an EZ OUT, or just drill the sucker with a large
>> drill bit until it spins off on its own.
>>
>> Lg
>>
>> WD 40 is $hit in a can.
>
> Or you can also use a pipe tool that when you turn it counterclockwise,
>will grab the inside of whatever is left in there and will come out. I had
>a similar problem with my lawn tractor.... the drain pipe for the oil was
>way too short and wanted to lenghten it. Well somehow, it broke off right at
>the edge of the engine block and I used one of those pipe tools that goes
>inside. I got it at home repo (depot) for not too much.
>
>Good Luck,
>
>Fwed
>

Excellent idea. LEVERAGE IS YOUR FRIEND. Long handles are in
fashion.


Lg

Re: I broke off my Oxygen sensor
 

Might try a radial cut with a small hacksaw blade.

Re: I broke off my Oxygen sensor
 

On 31 Dec 2005 14:01:50 -0800, "Misterbeets" <misterbeets@gmail.com>
wrote:

>Might try a radial cut with a small hacksaw blade.

That's what I had to do with my 40 year old bathtub drain. I had to
make 2 cuts, one on each side, about 120 degrees apart from eachother,
and then the entire affair collapsed in on itself with a little help
from a screwdriver and a hammer.

Re: I broke off my Oxygen sensor
 

On Sat, 31 Dec 2005 16:49:23 -0500, Nate Nagel <njnagel@flycast.net>
wrote:

>fweddybear wrote:
>> "Lawrence Glickman" <Lawrence_Glickman@comcast.net> wrote in message
>> news:2audr15j8gcs2lfc5p15plffrupe3tnbti@4ax.com...
>>
>>>On 31 Dec 2005 13:07:38 -0800, "Danny Beardsley" <dbeardsl@gmail.com>
>>>wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>In the process of trying to replace my O2 (Oxygen) sensor on my 1993
>>>>honda civic EX, I broke the old one off. I tried some usual stuff,
>>>>knocking it with a hammer, liberal WD-40, running the car for a bit to
>>>>heat up the manifold. Anyway, TINK! it broke. Any suggestions?
>>>>
>>>>Two pictures of the sensor and manifold
>>>>http://img416.imageshack.us/my.php?i...anifold7eh.jpg
>>>>http://img416.imageshack.us/my.php?i...2sensor9it.jpg
>>>
>>>Liquid Wrench penetrating oil. Soak repeatedly. Then pull all the
>>>garbage out of the center of the O2 sensor that is still in the
>>>manifold, and use an EZ OUT, or just drill the sucker with a large
>>>drill bit until it spins off on its own.
>>>
>>>Lg
>>>
>>>WD 40 is $hit in a can.
>>
>>
>> Or you can also use a pipe tool that when you turn it counterclockwise,
>> will grab the inside of whatever is left in there and will come out. I had
>> a similar problem with my lawn tractor.... the drain pipe for the oil was
>> way too short and wanted to lenghten it. Well somehow, it broke off right at
>> the edge of the engine block and I used one of those pipe tools that goes
>> inside. I got it at home repo (depot) for not too much.
>>
>> Good Luck,
>>
>> Fwed
>>
>>
>
>Hmm, I've never seen what you're describing, but it sounds like
>something to add to the bag o' tricks. Is this a plumbing tool? I will
>have to look next time I'm at Home Despot.
>
>nate
>
>PS - I have never had any luck with EZ-outs. They always seem to break
>on me.

Because I have to *anneal* mine first, the big ones, by heating with a
propane tourch and then letting them air cool. It takes the
brittleness out of them.

Lg

Re: I broke off my Oxygen sensor
 

"Nate Nagel" <njnagel@flycast.net> wrote in message
news:dp6uf5021kh@news2.newsguy.com...
> fweddybear wrote:
>> "Lawrence Glickman" <Lawrence_Glickman@comcast.net> wrote in message
>> news:2audr15j8gcs2lfc5p15plffrupe3tnbti@4ax.com...
>>
>>>On 31 Dec 2005 13:07:38 -0800, "Danny Beardsley" <dbeardsl@gmail.com>
>>>wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>In the process of trying to replace my O2 (Oxygen) sensor on my 1993
>>>>honda civic EX, I broke the old one off. I tried some usual stuff,
>>>>knocking it with a hammer, liberal WD-40, running the car for a bit to
>>>>heat up the manifold. Anyway, TINK! it broke. Any suggestions?
>>>>
>>>>Two pictures of the sensor and manifold
>>>>http://img416.imageshack.us/my.php?i...anifold7eh.jpg
>>>>http://img416.imageshack.us/my.php?i...2sensor9it.jpg
>>>
>>>Liquid Wrench penetrating oil. Soak repeatedly. Then pull all the
>>>garbage out of the center of the O2 sensor that is still in the
>>>manifold, and use an EZ OUT, or just drill the sucker with a large
>>>drill bit until it spins off on its own.
>>>
>>>Lg
>>>
>>>WD 40 is $hit in a can.
>>
>>
>> Or you can also use a pipe tool that when you turn it
>> counterclockwise, will grab the inside of whatever is left in there and
>> will come out. I had a similar problem with my lawn tractor.... the
>> drain pipe for the oil was way too short and wanted to lenghten it. Well
>> somehow, it broke off right at the edge of the engine block and I used
>> one of those pipe tools that goes inside. I got it at home repo (depot)
>> for not too much.
>>
>> Good Luck,
>>
>> Fwed
>
> Hmm, I've never seen what you're describing, but it sounds like something
> to add to the bag o' tricks. Is this a plumbing tool? I will have to
> look next time I'm at Home Despot.
>
> nate
>
> PS - I have never had any luck with EZ-outs. They always seem to break on
> me.

Yes, they are sold at home depot....when i had this problem, i didn't
know what to do either until I went there and started asking around..... one
of the people there showed me it....and told me it works wonders...forgot
how much it is, but I don't think it was too much.... it comes in three
sizes....well the one i have did...

good luck,

Fwed

Re: I broke off my Oxygen sensor
 

"Nate Nagel" <njnagel@flycast.net> wrote in message
news:dp6uf5021kh@news2.newsguy.com...
> PS - I have never had any luck with EZ-outs. They always seem to break on
> me.
>
I share your frustration. If they grip, they love to break... but often they
just don't bite well enough.

I had a thought, though. The threads are jammed because they have tried to
weld together, with the "pull" direction being the main force. When the
EZ-out is seated, how about a few judicious taps with a hammer (or whatever
will fit in the space available) on the end of the EZ-out to try to weaken
those welds?

MIke

Re: I broke off my Oxygen sensor
 

"Misterbeets" <misterbeets@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1136064598.855275.191980@g14g2000cwa.googlegr oups.com...
> Might try a radial cut with a small hacksaw blade.
>
That sounds like a good idea, if there is room to get it.

Mike

Re: I broke off my Oxygen sensor
 

Soak with PB Blaster an hour. Try an EZ-Out, some tapping
(vibrations work wonders, like Michael suggests). EZ-Outs
often fail, but they often work, too. They may be had at
Autozone. Otherwise, what others said.

In my experience, PB Blaster is superior to Liquid Wrench,
by a lot. They are about the same price. PB Blaster worked
great on my exhaust system bolts last year, though the
closer I got to the manifold, the tougher freeing bolts
became.

Updates are welcome. Good luck.

"Danny Beardsley" <dbeardsl@gmail.com> wrote
> In the process of trying to replace my O2 (Oxygen) sensor
on my 1993
> honda civic EX, I broke the old one off. I tried some
usual stuff,
> knocking it with a hammer, liberal WD-40, running the car
for a bit to
> heat up the manifold. Anyway, TINK! it broke. Any
suggestions?

Re: I broke off my Oxygen sensor
 

HEAT. Grab a torch (MAPP or propane will work just take a bit longer)
Heat the remaining part and the manifold till it is red hot and then
spray it with some good lube(Kroil, PB Blaster or the like NOT WD40). It
will smoke like crazy. Let it cool and wipe it off. Now heat it again
and drive a tapered square style EZ OUT in good. let it set a bit and
turn it out. should come out easily this way.

--
Steve Williams
Near Cooperstown, New York

"Danny Beardsley" <dbeardsl@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1136063258.216352.276710@z14g2000cwz.googlegr oups.com...
> In the process of trying to replace my O2 (Oxygen) sensor on my 1993
> honda civic EX, I broke the old one off. I tried some usual stuff,
> knocking it with a hammer, liberal WD-40, running the car for a bit to
> heat up the manifold. Anyway, TINK! it broke. Any suggestions?
>
> Two pictures of the sensor and manifold
> http://img416.imageshack.us/my.php?i...anifold7eh.jpg
> http://img416.imageshack.us/my.php?i...2sensor9it.jpg
>
>



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Re: I broke off my Oxygen sensor
 

Danny Beardsley wrote:
>
> In the process of trying to replace my O2 (Oxygen) sensor on my 1993
> honda civic EX, I broke the old one off. I tried some usual stuff,
> knocking it with a hammer, liberal WD-40, running the car for a bit to
> heat up the manifold. Anyway, TINK! it broke. Any suggestions?
>
> Two pictures of the sensor and manifold
> http://img416.imageshack.us/my.php?i...anifold7eh.jpg
> http://img416.imageshack.us/my.php?i...2sensor9it.jpg

If it were my car I would:
Not bother with any sort of solvent - IMO it's a waste of time.
1) Knock the center of it down into the exhaust pipe.
2) Use a hacksaw blade to saw slits into the remaining threads.
3) Knock the slit pieces into the exhaust pipe.
4) Install new O2 sensor.

WD40 no good ( Re: I broke off my Oxygen sensor )
 

| WD 40 is $hit in a can.

Popular Mechanic's article says it's good, so I bought a can :
it cannot loosen rusty bolts.

Re: I broke off my Oxygen sensor
 

"Steve W." wrote:
>
> HEAT. Grab a torch (MAPP or propane will work just take a bit longer)
> Heat the remaining part and the manifold till it is red hot and then
> spray it with some good lube(Kroil, PB Blaster or the like NOT WD40). It
> will smoke like crazy. Let it cool and wipe it off. Now heat it again
> and drive a tapered square style EZ OUT in good. let it set a bit and
> turn it out. should come out easily this way.
>

Heat was going to be my recommendation as well (though without spraying it
with penetrating oil while it was hot). Once it's hot, try using the EZ
out. Though, I tend to prefer the spiral fluted extractors over the taper
square style. In addition, make sure that you're not putting a side load on
the extractor, just a twisting load. Side loads tend to make them brake.
If you're going to drill it, then be sure to use left handed drill bits
since they will help to loosen the remaining piece from the threads. Still,
it looks like there's enough rust in there to require heating with a torch.

Eric

Re: WD40 no good ( Re: I broke off my Oxygen sensor )
 

TE Cheah wrote:
> | WD 40 is $hit in a can.
>
> Popular Mechanic's article says it's good, so I bought a can :
> it cannot loosen rusty bolts.
>

Probably because it's become "common knowledge" that it works; kind of
like "Budweiser is good beer."

nate

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Re: WD40 no good ( Re: I broke off my Oxygen sensor )
 

Nate Nagel <njnagel@flycast.net> writes:
>TE Cheah wrote:
>> | WD 40 is $hit in a can.
>>
>> Popular Mechanic's article says it's good, so I bought a can :
>> it cannot loosen rusty bolts.

>Probably because it's become "common knowledge" that it works; kind of
>like "Budweiser is good beer."

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Re: I broke off my Oxygen sensor
 

I'd be tempted to forget removing it and simply drill a new hole and
tap it. I think I would be done in an hour including a trip to the
store for the tap if I didn't have one, but I do.

Re: WD40 no good ( Re: I broke off my Oxygen sensor )
 

"TE Cheah" <no@spam.biz> wrote in message news:43b7b966_1@news.tm.net.my...
>| WD 40 is $hit in a can.
>
> Popular Mechanic's article says it's good, so I bought a can :
> it cannot loosen rusty bolts.
>
>
WD-40 is good, but not as a lubricant or penetrant (unless you have no real
option available, then it's better than nothing in a pinch). It works well
for cleaning up oily tools, for getting wet ignitions going, and leaves a
nice smell on your hands; manly (sorry, Elle) and pleasant. It will also
restore ribbons if you have a dot matrix printer around. Some people have
used it as diesel starting fluid, but I've never had the occasion.

When I was a cyclist I used the WD-40 chain lube system. Every weekend I'd
spray the "power train" (chain and everything) with Gunk, hose it off, and
spray it with WD-40. It's a lazy way to keep the chain clean and lubricated
enough for light use, but the chain does wear faster than it does with real
chain lube. Oddly, sometimes bicycle brakes work better (don't chatter, more
even grip) if the rim is wiped with a bit of WD-40... testament to the
limitations of WD-40 as a lubricant.

Mike

Re: I broke off my Oxygen sensor
 

In article
<1136122410.266996.37710@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups. com>,
"Al Bundy" <MSfortune@mcpmail.com> wrote:

> I'd be tempted to forget removing it and simply drill a new hole and
> tap it. I think I would be done in an hour including a trip to the
> store for the tap if I didn't have one, but I do.

Did you even bother to look at the pictures?

If he leaves it as is, he's going to have a hell of an exhaust
leak, not to mention that there's not likely to be sufficient
meat in any other area of the manifold to mount an O2 sensor.

Re: I broke off my Oxygen sensor
 

aarcuda69062 wrote:
> In article
> <1136122410.266996.37710@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups. com>,
> "Al Bundy" <MSfortune@mcpmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>>I'd be tempted to forget removing it and simply drill a new hole and
>>tap it. I think I would be done in an hour including a trip to the
>>store for the tap if I didn't have one, but I do.
>
>
> Did you even bother to look at the pictures?
>
> If he leaves it as is, he's going to have a hell of an exhaust
> leak, not to mention that there's not likely to be sufficient
> meat in any other area of the manifold to mount an O2 sensor.

Maybe he can just take the whole manifold off and take it to a welding
shop or such and have them remove it, and then re install it?

Bob

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Re: WD40 no good ( Re: I broke off my Oxygen sensor )
 

Michael Pardee wrote:
> "TE Cheah" <no@spam.biz> wrote in message news:43b7b966_1@news.tm.net.my...
> >| WD 40 is $hit in a can.
> >
> > Popular Mechanic's article says it's good, so I bought a can :
> > it cannot loosen rusty bolts.
> >
> >
> WD-40 is good, but not as a lubricant or penetrant (unless you have no real
> option available, then it's better than nothing in a pinch). It works well
> for cleaning up oily tools, for getting wet ignitions going, and leaves a
> nice smell on your hands; manly (sorry, Elle) and pleasant. It will also
> restore ribbons if you have a dot matrix printer around. Some people have
> used it as diesel starting fluid, but I've never had the occasion.
>
> When I was a cyclist I used the WD-40 chain lube system. Every weekend I'd
> spray the "power train" (chain and everything) with Gunk, hose it off, and
> spray it with WD-40. It's a lazy way to keep the chain clean and lubricated
> enough for light use, but the chain does wear faster than it does with real
> chain lube. Oddly, sometimes bicycle brakes work better (don't chatter, more
> even grip) if the rim is wiped with a bit of WD-40... testament to the
> limitations of WD-40 as a lubricant.
>

I agree with Mike.
It cleans up tools really well.

I am restoring an old VW bug and its rust just laughs at WD40.
A much better choice is PB blaster or Kroil for penetrating oil.

Remco

Re: WD40 no good ( Re: I broke off my Oxygen sensor )
 

TE Cheah wrote:
>
> | WD 40 is $hit in a can.
>
> Popular Mechanic's article says it's good, so I bought a can :
> it cannot loosen rusty bolts.

WD-40 = Water Displacement formula #40.
It never was meant for loosening rusty bolts.

Re: I broke off my Oxygen sensor
 

« Paul » wrote:
> If it were my car I would:
> Not bother with any sort of solvent - IMO it's a waste of time.
> 1) Knock the center of it down into the exhaust pipe.
> 2) Use a hacksaw blade to saw slits into the remaining threads.

if room permits, a sawzall would make quick work of that

> 3) Knock the slit pieces into the exhaust pipe.
> 4) Install new O2 sensor.

Re: WD40 no good ( Re: I broke off my Oxygen sensor )
 

"Michael Pardee" <michaeltnull@cybertrails.com> wrote
> "TE Cheah" <no@spam.biz> wrote
> >| WD 40 is $hit in a can.
> >
> > Popular Mechanic's article says it's good, so I bought a
can :
> > it cannot loosen rusty bolts.
> >
> >
> WD-40 is good, but not as a lubricant or penetrant (unless
you have no real
> option available, then it's better than nothing in a
pinch). It works well
> for cleaning up oily tools, for getting wet ignitions
going, and leaves a
> nice smell on your hands; manly (sorry, Elle) and
pleasant.

Sure, if all a man wants around him is other manly
technicians.

I advise "Goop" or similar, followed by ordinary soap, then,
for men, cologne or aftershave. (Tip: Amazing how huggable
men are when the scent of even a little aftershave is in the
air--I'm not proud of it, but with enough aftershave, I'll
swoon even before men of a different political party
affiliation.)

Anything but that WD-40 (or PB Blaster, etc.) odor...

Brandy? Rav?

I've stopped bringing penetrating oils into the house for
even little cleanup jobs at the kitchen sink, because they
make the whole house reek for a day.

Happiest of New Years to all. Be safe, find peace.

Re: WD40 no good ( Re: I broke off my Oxygen sensor )
 

Bernd Felsche wrote:
> Nate Nagel <njnagel@flycast.net> writes:
>
>>TE Cheah wrote:
>>
>>>| WD 40 is $hit in a can.
>>>
>>>Popular Mechanic's article says it's good, so I bought a can :
>>>it cannot loosen rusty bolts.
>
>
>>Probably because it's become "common knowledge" that it works; kind of
>>like "Budweiser is good beer."
>
>
> Budweiser is beer?

LOL. Reminds me of that joke about having sex in a canoe.

Ulf

Re: I broke off my Oxygen sensor
 

SoCalMike wrote:
>
> « Paul » wrote:
> > If it were my car I would:
> > Not bother with any sort of solvent - IMO it's a waste of time.
> > 1) Knock the center of it down into the exhaust pipe.
> > 2) Use a hacksaw blade to saw slits into the remaining threads.
>
> if room permits, a sawzall would make quick work of that
>
> > 3) Knock the slit pieces into the exhaust pipe.
> > 4) Install new O2 sensor.

Yes. That never even dawned on me.
And I'm usually the first one to reach for my air or electric tools.

Re: WD40 no good ( Re: I broke off my Oxygen sensor )
 

On Sun, 1 Jan 2006, TE Cheah wrote:

> | WD 40 is $hit in a can. Popular Mechanic's article says it's good, so
> I bought a can : it cannot loosen rusty bolts.

From this we learn a few things:

1) Yes, WD40 is mostly good at loosening money that was stuck in your
wallet.

2) Popular Mechanics is full of shite.

There are two and *only* two penetrants I mess with any more: Kroil and
Chrysler P/N 4318039.

Re: I broke off my Oxygen sensor
 

"« Paul »" <"=?x-user-defined?Q?=AB?= Paul
=?x-user-defined?Q?=BB?="@houston.rr.com> wrote in message
news:43B80AB8.711365AA@houston.rr.com...
SoCalMike wrote:
>
> « Paul » wrote:
> > If it were my car I would:
> > Not bother with any sort of solvent - IMO it's a waste of time.
> > 1) Knock the center of it down into the exhaust pipe.
> > 2) Use a hacksaw blade to saw slits into the remaining threads.
>
> if room permits, a sawzall would make quick work of that
>
> > 3) Knock the slit pieces into the exhaust pipe.
> > 4) Install new O2 sensor.

Yes. That never even dawned on me.
And I'm usually the first one to reach for my air or electric tools.

This poses another problem..... you will get one hell of a rattle in the
exhaust pipe until its removed...

Fwed

Re: WD40 no good ( Re: I broke off my Oxygen sensor )
 

Elle wrote:
> Sure, if all a man wants around him is other manly
> technicians.
>
> I advise "Goop" or similar, followed by ordinary soap, then,
> for men, cologne or aftershave. (Tip: Amazing how huggable
> men are when the scent of even a little aftershave is in the
> air--I'm not proud of it, but with enough aftershave, I'll
> swoon even before men of a different political party
> affiliation.)
>
> Anything but that WD-40 (or PB Blaster, etc.) odor...
>
> Brandy? Rav?
>
> I've stopped bringing penetrating oils into the house for
> even little cleanup jobs at the kitchen sink, because they
> make the whole house reek for a day.
>
> Happiest of New Years to all. Be safe, find peace.

So using that handy dandy WD40 spray can as room refresher is out,
then? :)
May all your Hondas keep running.

Remco

Re: WD40 no good ( Re: I broke off my Oxygen sensor )
 

On 2006-01-01, Daniel J. Stern <dastern@127.0.0.1> wrote:

> From this we learn a few things:

> 2) Popular Mechanics is full of shite.

Mainly, that you don't know how to spell !

nb

Re: WD40 no good ( Re: I broke off my Oxygen sensor )
 

notbob wrote:

> On 2006-01-01, Daniel J. Stern <dastern@127.0.0.1> wrote:
>
> > From this we learn a few things:
>
> > 2) Popular Mechanics is full of shite.
>
> Mainly, that you don't know how to spell !
>



It's a legitimate spelling.
http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=shite

Re: I broke off my Oxygen sensor
 

Wow, that can be a tuff one.

My first choice; ox-ace heat, followed by the wrench
Another option that was said to me was try to tighten first, then back out.
This tip was from a old master tech that teaches tech courses. Now I tried
it once and it didn't work for me, but we still try (I think I used heat on
that one.)
He also said ATf is a good penetrate. get the part hot and pun some on it
and let it set overnight, the dissipating heat will wick it into the
threads.
I also have in my box a tap that is the 02 sensor size, wasn't easy to find,
but I ordered it before I needed it.
There also is an heli-coil set for thread repairs, sometimes they screw
themselves up on the way out
If you remove the manifold you could carry it to a vise or a machine shop.
Heat is always the best choice.


--
Stephen W. Hansen
ASE Certified Master Automobile Technician
ASE Automobile Advanced Engine Performance
ASE Undercar Specialist

http://autorepair.about.com/cs/troub...l_obd_main.htm
http://www.troublecodes.net/technical/


"Danny Beardsley" <dbeardsl@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1136063258.216352.276710@z14g2000cwz.googlegr oups.com...
> In the process of trying to replace my O2 (Oxygen) sensor on my 1993
> honda civic EX, I broke the old one off. I tried some usual stuff,
> knocking it with a hammer, liberal WD-40, running the car for a bit to
> heat up the manifold. Anyway, TINK! it broke. Any suggestions?
>
> Two pictures of the sensor and manifold
> http://img416.imageshack.us/my.php?i...anifold7eh.jpg
> http://img416.imageshack.us/my.php?i...2sensor9it.jpg
>

Re: WD40 no good ( Re: I broke off my Oxygen sensor )
 

Michael Pardee wrote:
> restore ribbons if you have a dot matrix printer around. Some people have
> used it as diesel starting fluid, but I've never had the occasion.

I've used it as a gas starting fluid (old worn out carburetted cars,
sub-zero temps). It's good because it's not nearly as explosive as
ether, but it will still ignite easily enough to turn your engine over
and get it going.

Re: I broke off my Oxygen sensor
 

On Sun, 1 Jan 2006 12:09:10 -0500, "fweddybear" <fweddybear@cox.net>
wrote:

>
>"« Paul »" <"=?x-user-defined?Q?=AB?= Paul
>=?x-user-defined?Q?=BB?="@houston.rr.com> wrote in message
>news:43B80AB8.711365AA@houston.rr.com...
>SoCalMike wrote:
>>
>> « Paul » wrote:
>> > If it were my car I would:
>> > Not bother with any sort of solvent - IMO it's a waste of time.
>> > 1) Knock the center of it down into the exhaust pipe.
>> > 2) Use a hacksaw blade to saw slits into the remaining threads.
>>
>> if room permits, a sawzall would make quick work of that
>>
>> > 3) Knock the slit pieces into the exhaust pipe.
>> > 4) Install new O2 sensor.
>
>Yes. That never even dawned on me.
>And I'm usually the first one to reach for my air or electric tools.
>
> This poses another problem..... you will get one hell of a rattle in the
>exhaust pipe until its removed...
>
>Fwed
>

He could trying using a magnetic retrieval tool to pick up any pieces
left in the pipe.

It looks like the sawblade suggestion is worth a try, but personally I
would consider it as the last resort. Twisting it out with some kind
of long-handled tool would be my first attempt. We can see what
happened with his first attempt. It broke the sensor off. Now you
just have to twist it out with that pipe gizmo you said you can buy at
Home Depot or somesuch.

In fact, I am going there tomorrow just to look for such a thing.
What is it called? Maybe I will see it in the plumbing department.

Lg

Re: WD40 no good ( Re: I broke off my Oxygen sensor )
 

"Elle" <honda.lioness@earthlink.net> wrote in message
news:YLTtf.1066$%W1.878@newsread2.news.atl.earthli nk.net...
> "Michael Pardee" <michaeltnull@cybertrails.com> wrote
>> WD-40 is good, but not as a lubricant or penetrant (unless
> you have no real
>> option available, then it's better than nothing in a
> pinch). It works well
>> for cleaning up oily tools, for getting wet ignitions
> going, and leaves a
>> nice smell on your hands; manly (sorry, Elle) and
> pleasant.
>
> Sure, if all a man wants around him is other manly
> technicians.
>
Elle: 1 Mike: 0

Mike

Re: I broke off my Oxygen sensor
 

"Lawrence Glickman" <Lawrence_Glickman@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:a8agr1tdq97eeh2b9glla93evbu5tqi393@4ax.com...
> On Sun, 1 Jan 2006 12:09:10 -0500, "fweddybear" <fweddybear@cox.net>
> wrote:
>
>>
>>"« Paul »" <"=?x-user-defined?Q?=AB?= Paul
>>=?x-user-defined?Q?=BB?="@houston.rr.com> wrote in message
>>news:43B80AB8.711365AA@houston.rr.com...
>>SoCalMike wrote:
>>>
>>> « Paul » wrote:
>>> > If it were my car I would:
>>> > Not bother with any sort of solvent - IMO it's a waste of time.
>>> > 1) Knock the center of it down into the exhaust pipe.
>>> > 2) Use a hacksaw blade to saw slits into the remaining threads.
>>>
>>> if room permits, a sawzall would make quick work of that
>>>
>>> > 3) Knock the slit pieces into the exhaust pipe.
>>> > 4) Install new O2 sensor.
>>
>>Yes. That never even dawned on me.
>>And I'm usually the first one to reach for my air or electric tools.
>>
>> This poses another problem..... you will get one hell of a rattle in
>> the
>>exhaust pipe until its removed...
>>
>>Fwed
>>
>
> He could trying using a magnetic retrieval tool to pick up any pieces
> left in the pipe.
>
> It looks like the sawblade suggestion is worth a try, but personally I
> would consider it as the last resort. Twisting it out with some kind
> of long-handled tool would be my first attempt. We can see what
> happened with his first attempt. It broke the sensor off. Now you
> just have to twist it out with that pipe gizmo you said you can buy at
> Home Depot or somesuch.
>
> In fact, I am going there tomorrow just to look for such a thing.
> What is it called? Maybe I will see it in the plumbing department.
>
> Lg

Earlier on, I had recommended a tool that is used for metal piping. Its
a plumbers tool and when turned counterclockwise, it grabs the inside of
whats left and turns it out. It works so simply, its like you were just
taking the thing out without any effort. I think since he hasn't posted
back, he is probably out looking for the item....the set i have comes in 3
different sizes.

Fwed