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I think my Honda dealer lied about my Fit
In early July I decided I wanted an Orange Fit, and went to my current
Honda dealer who quoted $19,000 without tax (Sport Model). I asked why it was so much over list and was told that there weren't many and that they could deliver the car and other dealers couldn't. I went to another nearby dealer and was surprised that I could order it at list, so with tax the whole thing came to just about $18,000, $2300 cheaper. I posted at the time a thread called "Will My Fit Arrive" because I was unsure. My salesperson, Mazen, gave me a card with someone else's name but wrote his name and number, so I guess he was new. Three weeks later I went to check on the car, and he was no longer working there but I was assured that the car was on order and should be in in a few weeks. I even added the choice of Silver instead of Orange because they said the Orange one was very difficult. At some point I started another thread, "My Fit NOT Arriving" and accused the dealer of bait and switch, and Elmo, properly, castigated me for being inaccurate. He was correct, I think they just had no intention of selling me the car at that price and if I bought another one, that is ok with them. But I think what happened was that Mazen did something that he shouldn't have done and they weren't going to fill the order. Yesterday I called Honda USA. They told me that 9 weeks was a long time to wait and that Paragon Honda had only one order for a Sports Fit outstanding, and it was Black and much more recent. There is no evidence that the car was ever ordered. Now I don't know if HUSA is accurate but it would seem that they would know what is being ordered. At this point I'm cancelling the order and I'm curious as to what you folks think about this chain of events. |
Re: I think my Honda dealer lied about my Fit
dgk wrote: > > In early July I decided I wanted an Orange Fit, and went to my current > Honda dealer who quoted $19,000 without tax (Sport Model). I asked why > it was so much over list and was told that there weren't many and that > they could deliver the car and other dealers couldn't. > > I went to another nearby dealer and was surprised that I could order > it at list, so with tax the whole thing came to just about $18,000, > $2300 cheaper. I posted at the time a thread called "Will My Fit > Arrive" because I was unsure. > > My salesperson, Mazen, gave me a card with someone else's name but > wrote his name and number, so I guess he was new. Three weeks later I > went to check on the car, and he was no longer working there but I was > assured that the car was on order and should be in in a few weeks. I > even added the choice of Silver instead of Orange because they said > the Orange one was very difficult. > > At some point I started another thread, "My Fit NOT Arriving" and > accused the dealer of bait and switch, and Elmo, properly, castigated > me for being inaccurate. He was correct, I think they just had no > intention of selling me the car at that price and if I bought another > one, that is ok with them. But I think what happened was that Mazen > did something that he shouldn't have done and they weren't going to > fill the order. > > Yesterday I called Honda USA. They told me that 9 weeks was a long > time to wait and that Paragon Honda had only one order for a Sports > Fit outstanding, and it was Black and much more recent. There is no > evidence that the car was ever ordered. > > Now I don't know if HUSA is accurate but it would seem that they would > know what is being ordered. At this point I'm cancelling the order and > I'm curious as to what you folks think about this chain of events. Car dealers like real estate agents, doctors, lawyers and politicians are all bottom feeders having little in the way of ethics... JT |
Re: I think my Honda dealer lied about my Fit
dgk wrote: > > In early July I decided I wanted an Orange Fit, and went to my current > Honda dealer who quoted $19,000 without tax (Sport Model). I asked why > it was so much over list and was told that there weren't many and that > they could deliver the car and other dealers couldn't. > > I went to another nearby dealer and was surprised that I could order > it at list, so with tax the whole thing came to just about $18,000, > $2300 cheaper. I posted at the time a thread called "Will My Fit > Arrive" because I was unsure. > > My salesperson, Mazen, gave me a card with someone else's name but > wrote his name and number, so I guess he was new. Three weeks later I > went to check on the car, and he was no longer working there but I was > assured that the car was on order and should be in in a few weeks. I > even added the choice of Silver instead of Orange because they said > the Orange one was very difficult. > > At some point I started another thread, "My Fit NOT Arriving" and > accused the dealer of bait and switch, and Elmo, properly, castigated > me for being inaccurate. He was correct, I think they just had no > intention of selling me the car at that price and if I bought another > one, that is ok with them. But I think what happened was that Mazen > did something that he shouldn't have done and they weren't going to > fill the order. > > Yesterday I called Honda USA. They told me that 9 weeks was a long > time to wait and that Paragon Honda had only one order for a Sports > Fit outstanding, and it was Black and much more recent. There is no > evidence that the car was ever ordered. > > Now I don't know if HUSA is accurate but it would seem that they would > know what is being ordered. At this point I'm cancelling the order and > I'm curious as to what you folks think about this chain of events. Car dealers like real estate agents, doctors, lawyers and politicians are all bottom feeders having little in the way of ethics... JT |
Re: I think my Honda dealer lied about my Fit
dgk wrote: > > In early July I decided I wanted an Orange Fit, and went to my current > Honda dealer who quoted $19,000 without tax (Sport Model). I asked why > it was so much over list and was told that there weren't many and that > they could deliver the car and other dealers couldn't. > > I went to another nearby dealer and was surprised that I could order > it at list, so with tax the whole thing came to just about $18,000, > $2300 cheaper. I posted at the time a thread called "Will My Fit > Arrive" because I was unsure. > > My salesperson, Mazen, gave me a card with someone else's name but > wrote his name and number, so I guess he was new. Three weeks later I > went to check on the car, and he was no longer working there but I was > assured that the car was on order and should be in in a few weeks. I > even added the choice of Silver instead of Orange because they said > the Orange one was very difficult. > > At some point I started another thread, "My Fit NOT Arriving" and > accused the dealer of bait and switch, and Elmo, properly, castigated > me for being inaccurate. He was correct, I think they just had no > intention of selling me the car at that price and if I bought another > one, that is ok with them. But I think what happened was that Mazen > did something that he shouldn't have done and they weren't going to > fill the order. > > Yesterday I called Honda USA. They told me that 9 weeks was a long > time to wait and that Paragon Honda had only one order for a Sports > Fit outstanding, and it was Black and much more recent. There is no > evidence that the car was ever ordered. > > Now I don't know if HUSA is accurate but it would seem that they would > know what is being ordered. At this point I'm cancelling the order and > I'm curious as to what you folks think about this chain of events. Car dealers like real estate agents, doctors, lawyers and politicians are all bottom feeders having little in the way of ethics... JT |
Re: I think my Honda dealer lied about my Fit
On Tue, 26 Sep 2006 13:31:26 GMT, Grumpy AuContraire
<Grumpster@GrumpyvilleNOT.com> wrote: > > >dgk wrote: >> >> In early July I decided I wanted an Orange Fit, and went to my current >> Honda dealer who quoted $19,000 without tax (Sport Model). I asked why >> it was so much over list and was told that there weren't many and that >> they could deliver the car and other dealers couldn't. >> >> I went to another nearby dealer and was surprised that I could order >> it at list, so with tax the whole thing came to just about $18,000, >> $2300 cheaper. I posted at the time a thread called "Will My Fit >> Arrive" because I was unsure. >> >> My salesperson, Mazen, gave me a card with someone else's name but >> wrote his name and number, so I guess he was new. Three weeks later I >> went to check on the car, and he was no longer working there but I was >> assured that the car was on order and should be in in a few weeks. I >> even added the choice of Silver instead of Orange because they said >> the Orange one was very difficult. >> >> At some point I started another thread, "My Fit NOT Arriving" and >> accused the dealer of bait and switch, and Elmo, properly, castigated >> me for being inaccurate. He was correct, I think they just had no >> intention of selling me the car at that price and if I bought another >> one, that is ok with them. But I think what happened was that Mazen >> did something that he shouldn't have done and they weren't going to >> fill the order. >> >> Yesterday I called Honda USA. They told me that 9 weeks was a long >> time to wait and that Paragon Honda had only one order for a Sports >> Fit outstanding, and it was Black and much more recent. There is no >> evidence that the car was ever ordered. >> >> Now I don't know if HUSA is accurate but it would seem that they would >> know what is being ordered. At this point I'm cancelling the order and >> I'm curious as to what you folks think about this chain of events. > > > >Car dealers like real estate agents, doctors, lawyers and politicians >are all bottom feeders having little in the way of ethics... > >JT Too general. In most things there are good and bad. My doctor is a dedicated guy who is simply one of the best people I know. I work for a public defender office and the lawyers here are also very good people, working for less than they could get elsewhere. My aunt was a real estate person and did her best to sell houses fairly, without regard to racial steering or other crap. There are also decent politicians who really care about the public good, but they get corrupted by money pretty quickly. There are probably also decent car dealers but I haven't found one yet. |
Re: I think my Honda dealer lied about my Fit
On Tue, 26 Sep 2006 13:31:26 GMT, Grumpy AuContraire
<Grumpster@GrumpyvilleNOT.com> wrote: > > >dgk wrote: >> >> In early July I decided I wanted an Orange Fit, and went to my current >> Honda dealer who quoted $19,000 without tax (Sport Model). I asked why >> it was so much over list and was told that there weren't many and that >> they could deliver the car and other dealers couldn't. >> >> I went to another nearby dealer and was surprised that I could order >> it at list, so with tax the whole thing came to just about $18,000, >> $2300 cheaper. I posted at the time a thread called "Will My Fit >> Arrive" because I was unsure. >> >> My salesperson, Mazen, gave me a card with someone else's name but >> wrote his name and number, so I guess he was new. Three weeks later I >> went to check on the car, and he was no longer working there but I was >> assured that the car was on order and should be in in a few weeks. I >> even added the choice of Silver instead of Orange because they said >> the Orange one was very difficult. >> >> At some point I started another thread, "My Fit NOT Arriving" and >> accused the dealer of bait and switch, and Elmo, properly, castigated >> me for being inaccurate. He was correct, I think they just had no >> intention of selling me the car at that price and if I bought another >> one, that is ok with them. But I think what happened was that Mazen >> did something that he shouldn't have done and they weren't going to >> fill the order. >> >> Yesterday I called Honda USA. They told me that 9 weeks was a long >> time to wait and that Paragon Honda had only one order for a Sports >> Fit outstanding, and it was Black and much more recent. There is no >> evidence that the car was ever ordered. >> >> Now I don't know if HUSA is accurate but it would seem that they would >> know what is being ordered. At this point I'm cancelling the order and >> I'm curious as to what you folks think about this chain of events. > > > >Car dealers like real estate agents, doctors, lawyers and politicians >are all bottom feeders having little in the way of ethics... > >JT Too general. In most things there are good and bad. My doctor is a dedicated guy who is simply one of the best people I know. I work for a public defender office and the lawyers here are also very good people, working for less than they could get elsewhere. My aunt was a real estate person and did her best to sell houses fairly, without regard to racial steering or other crap. There are also decent politicians who really care about the public good, but they get corrupted by money pretty quickly. There are probably also decent car dealers but I haven't found one yet. |
Re: I think my Honda dealer lied about my Fit
On Tue, 26 Sep 2006 13:31:26 GMT, Grumpy AuContraire
<Grumpster@GrumpyvilleNOT.com> wrote: > > >dgk wrote: >> >> In early July I decided I wanted an Orange Fit, and went to my current >> Honda dealer who quoted $19,000 without tax (Sport Model). I asked why >> it was so much over list and was told that there weren't many and that >> they could deliver the car and other dealers couldn't. >> >> I went to another nearby dealer and was surprised that I could order >> it at list, so with tax the whole thing came to just about $18,000, >> $2300 cheaper. I posted at the time a thread called "Will My Fit >> Arrive" because I was unsure. >> >> My salesperson, Mazen, gave me a card with someone else's name but >> wrote his name and number, so I guess he was new. Three weeks later I >> went to check on the car, and he was no longer working there but I was >> assured that the car was on order and should be in in a few weeks. I >> even added the choice of Silver instead of Orange because they said >> the Orange one was very difficult. >> >> At some point I started another thread, "My Fit NOT Arriving" and >> accused the dealer of bait and switch, and Elmo, properly, castigated >> me for being inaccurate. He was correct, I think they just had no >> intention of selling me the car at that price and if I bought another >> one, that is ok with them. But I think what happened was that Mazen >> did something that he shouldn't have done and they weren't going to >> fill the order. >> >> Yesterday I called Honda USA. They told me that 9 weeks was a long >> time to wait and that Paragon Honda had only one order for a Sports >> Fit outstanding, and it was Black and much more recent. There is no >> evidence that the car was ever ordered. >> >> Now I don't know if HUSA is accurate but it would seem that they would >> know what is being ordered. At this point I'm cancelling the order and >> I'm curious as to what you folks think about this chain of events. > > > >Car dealers like real estate agents, doctors, lawyers and politicians >are all bottom feeders having little in the way of ethics... > >JT Too general. In most things there are good and bad. My doctor is a dedicated guy who is simply one of the best people I know. I work for a public defender office and the lawyers here are also very good people, working for less than they could get elsewhere. My aunt was a real estate person and did her best to sell houses fairly, without regard to racial steering or other crap. There are also decent politicians who really care about the public good, but they get corrupted by money pretty quickly. There are probably also decent car dealers but I haven't found one yet. |
Re: I think my Honda dealer lied about my Fit
"dgk" <dgk@somewhere.com> wrote
> There are probably also decent car dealers but I haven't > found one > yet. I think the decent ones for one thing will be found among those who deal online. We're getting some reports here of positive, price-competitive experiences using this approach. Not all, but more than if one shows up at the dealership proper. |
Re: I think my Honda dealer lied about my Fit
"dgk" <dgk@somewhere.com> wrote
> There are probably also decent car dealers but I haven't > found one > yet. I think the decent ones for one thing will be found among those who deal online. We're getting some reports here of positive, price-competitive experiences using this approach. Not all, but more than if one shows up at the dealership proper. |
Re: I think my Honda dealer lied about my Fit
"dgk" <dgk@somewhere.com> wrote
> There are probably also decent car dealers but I haven't > found one > yet. I think the decent ones for one thing will be found among those who deal online. We're getting some reports here of positive, price-competitive experiences using this approach. Not all, but more than if one shows up at the dealership proper. |
Re: I think my Honda dealer lied about my Fit
We had a similar situation - and the dealer wanted to add $500
'theft-proof wheels' because the FIT wheels were such a high-risk item (though few were/are on the road). We let our fingers do the walking, and found a car in the desired color and trim at MSRP (even got the IPOD connection thrown in) a reasonable distance from home. We were treated okay, though the 'closer' wanted us to buy the long warranty at an inflated price. My point is that the telephone is your friend... it's far better than online, because on the phone you can get a salesperson to actively help you. Online you just get in queue. Good luck! |
Re: I think my Honda dealer lied about my Fit
We had a similar situation - and the dealer wanted to add $500
'theft-proof wheels' because the FIT wheels were such a high-risk item (though few were/are on the road). We let our fingers do the walking, and found a car in the desired color and trim at MSRP (even got the IPOD connection thrown in) a reasonable distance from home. We were treated okay, though the 'closer' wanted us to buy the long warranty at an inflated price. My point is that the telephone is your friend... it's far better than online, because on the phone you can get a salesperson to actively help you. Online you just get in queue. Good luck! |
Re: I think my Honda dealer lied about my Fit
We had a similar situation - and the dealer wanted to add $500
'theft-proof wheels' because the FIT wheels were such a high-risk item (though few were/are on the road). We let our fingers do the walking, and found a car in the desired color and trim at MSRP (even got the IPOD connection thrown in) a reasonable distance from home. We were treated okay, though the 'closer' wanted us to buy the long warranty at an inflated price. My point is that the telephone is your friend... it's far better than online, because on the phone you can get a salesperson to actively help you. Online you just get in queue. Good luck! |
Re: I think my Honda dealer lied about my Fit
On Tue, 26 Sep 2006 08:27:06 -0400, dgk <dgk@somewhere.com> wrote:
>In early July I decided I wanted an Orange Fit, and went to my current >Honda dealer who quoted $19,000 without tax (Sport Model). I asked why >it was so much over list and was told that there weren't many and that .... More information. I just found out (from talking to the general manager of the dealership) that usually cars are not ordered directly. Mostly they "look" for them by seeing what is coming in to them and other dealers and trading around. It seems an odd way to do things in the computer age but this way cars are available for immediate purchase. It sort of makes sense. But if you want a car that isn't available that way, you would think they would just place an order with the factory. This would explain why Honda-US doesn't have any orders for my car from the dealer. It also explains why I don't have a car. |
Re: I think my Honda dealer lied about my Fit
On Tue, 26 Sep 2006 08:27:06 -0400, dgk <dgk@somewhere.com> wrote:
>In early July I decided I wanted an Orange Fit, and went to my current >Honda dealer who quoted $19,000 without tax (Sport Model). I asked why >it was so much over list and was told that there weren't many and that .... More information. I just found out (from talking to the general manager of the dealership) that usually cars are not ordered directly. Mostly they "look" for them by seeing what is coming in to them and other dealers and trading around. It seems an odd way to do things in the computer age but this way cars are available for immediate purchase. It sort of makes sense. But if you want a car that isn't available that way, you would think they would just place an order with the factory. This would explain why Honda-US doesn't have any orders for my car from the dealer. It also explains why I don't have a car. |
Re: I think my Honda dealer lied about my Fit
On Tue, 26 Sep 2006 08:27:06 -0400, dgk <dgk@somewhere.com> wrote:
>In early July I decided I wanted an Orange Fit, and went to my current >Honda dealer who quoted $19,000 without tax (Sport Model). I asked why >it was so much over list and was told that there weren't many and that .... More information. I just found out (from talking to the general manager of the dealership) that usually cars are not ordered directly. Mostly they "look" for them by seeing what is coming in to them and other dealers and trading around. It seems an odd way to do things in the computer age but this way cars are available for immediate purchase. It sort of makes sense. But if you want a car that isn't available that way, you would think they would just place an order with the factory. This would explain why Honda-US doesn't have any orders for my car from the dealer. It also explains why I don't have a car. |
Re: I think my Honda dealer lied about my Fit
In article <b36ih2pnu0simar3es8bv979f4u331gs9h@4ax.com>,
dgk <dgk@somewhere.com> wrote: > In early July I decided I wanted an Orange Fit, and went to my current > Honda dealer who quoted $19,000 without tax (Sport Model). I asked why > it was so much over list and was told that there weren't many and that > they could deliver the car and other dealers couldn't. > > I went to another nearby dealer and was surprised that I could order > it at list, dude, you are SO naive. of COURSE he's going to tell you that. At least that way, he has a chance of your changing your mind to a different color. Worst case, he's no worse off--he doesn't sell you a car. you are SO naive. Go away. |
Re: I think my Honda dealer lied about my Fit
In article <b36ih2pnu0simar3es8bv979f4u331gs9h@4ax.com>,
dgk <dgk@somewhere.com> wrote: > In early July I decided I wanted an Orange Fit, and went to my current > Honda dealer who quoted $19,000 without tax (Sport Model). I asked why > it was so much over list and was told that there weren't many and that > they could deliver the car and other dealers couldn't. > > I went to another nearby dealer and was surprised that I could order > it at list, dude, you are SO naive. of COURSE he's going to tell you that. At least that way, he has a chance of your changing your mind to a different color. Worst case, he's no worse off--he doesn't sell you a car. you are SO naive. Go away. |
Re: I think my Honda dealer lied about my Fit
In article <b36ih2pnu0simar3es8bv979f4u331gs9h@4ax.com>,
dgk <dgk@somewhere.com> wrote: > In early July I decided I wanted an Orange Fit, and went to my current > Honda dealer who quoted $19,000 without tax (Sport Model). I asked why > it was so much over list and was told that there weren't many and that > they could deliver the car and other dealers couldn't. > > I went to another nearby dealer and was surprised that I could order > it at list, dude, you are SO naive. of COURSE he's going to tell you that. At least that way, he has a chance of your changing your mind to a different color. Worst case, he's no worse off--he doesn't sell you a car. you are SO naive. Go away. |
Re: I think my Honda dealer lied about my Fit
"Elmo P. Shagnasty" wrote: > > In article <b36ih2pnu0simar3es8bv979f4u331gs9h@4ax.com>, > dgk <dgk@somewhere.com> wrote: > > > In early July I decided I wanted an Orange Fit, and went to my current > > Honda dealer who quoted $19,000 without tax (Sport Model). I asked why > > it was so much over list and was told that there weren't many and that > > they could deliver the car and other dealers couldn't. > > > > I went to another nearby dealer and was surprised that I could order > > it at list, > > dude, you are SO naive. > > of COURSE he's going to tell you that. At least that way, he has a > chance of your changing your mind to a different color. Worst case, > he's no worse off--he doesn't sell you a car. > > you are SO naive. > > Go away. <chuckle> What the masses of sheeple don't realize, survival is the first instinct of virtually all animals including humans. Hence, lying mixed with an ample dose of cheating serve as everyday tools for the dominators. Ol' PT Barnum was right except that I think that there's more than one sucker born every minute these days... <G> JT |
Re: I think my Honda dealer lied about my Fit
"Elmo P. Shagnasty" wrote: > > In article <b36ih2pnu0simar3es8bv979f4u331gs9h@4ax.com>, > dgk <dgk@somewhere.com> wrote: > > > In early July I decided I wanted an Orange Fit, and went to my current > > Honda dealer who quoted $19,000 without tax (Sport Model). I asked why > > it was so much over list and was told that there weren't many and that > > they could deliver the car and other dealers couldn't. > > > > I went to another nearby dealer and was surprised that I could order > > it at list, > > dude, you are SO naive. > > of COURSE he's going to tell you that. At least that way, he has a > chance of your changing your mind to a different color. Worst case, > he's no worse off--he doesn't sell you a car. > > you are SO naive. > > Go away. <chuckle> What the masses of sheeple don't realize, survival is the first instinct of virtually all animals including humans. Hence, lying mixed with an ample dose of cheating serve as everyday tools for the dominators. Ol' PT Barnum was right except that I think that there's more than one sucker born every minute these days... <G> JT |
Re: I think my Honda dealer lied about my Fit
"Elmo P. Shagnasty" wrote: > > In article <b36ih2pnu0simar3es8bv979f4u331gs9h@4ax.com>, > dgk <dgk@somewhere.com> wrote: > > > In early July I decided I wanted an Orange Fit, and went to my current > > Honda dealer who quoted $19,000 without tax (Sport Model). I asked why > > it was so much over list and was told that there weren't many and that > > they could deliver the car and other dealers couldn't. > > > > I went to another nearby dealer and was surprised that I could order > > it at list, > > dude, you are SO naive. > > of COURSE he's going to tell you that. At least that way, he has a > chance of your changing your mind to a different color. Worst case, > he's no worse off--he doesn't sell you a car. > > you are SO naive. > > Go away. <chuckle> What the masses of sheeple don't realize, survival is the first instinct of virtually all animals including humans. Hence, lying mixed with an ample dose of cheating serve as everyday tools for the dominators. Ol' PT Barnum was right except that I think that there's more than one sucker born every minute these days... <G> JT |
Re: I think my Honda dealer lied about my Fit
"dgk" <dgk@somewhere.com> wrote in message news:b36ih2pnu0simar3es8bv979f4u331gs9h@4ax.com... > In early July I decided I wanted an Orange Fit, and went to my current > Honda dealer who quoted $19,000 without tax (Sport Model). I asked why > it was so much over list and was told that there weren't many and that > they could deliver the car and other dealers couldn't. > > I went to another nearby dealer and was surprised that I could order > it at list, so with tax the whole thing came to just about $18,000, > $2300 cheaper. I posted at the time a thread called "Will My Fit > Arrive" because I was unsure. I have seen Civic LXs sedan at 17,500 on the lot at my dealer. Why a Fit at almost the same price -- and you might be able to deal the Civic down. At 19k you are getting close the price for an Accord LX I4 with a 5 spd. > > My salesperson, Mazen, gave me a card with someone else's name but > wrote his name and number, so I guess he was new. Three weeks later I > went to check on the car, and he was no longer working there but I was > assured that the car was on order and should be in in a few weeks. I > even added the choice of Silver instead of Orange because they said > the Orange one was very difficult. > > At some point I started another thread, "My Fit NOT Arriving" and > accused the dealer of bait and switch, and Elmo, properly, castigated > me for being inaccurate. He was correct, I think they just had no > intention of selling me the car at that price and if I bought another > one, that is ok with them. But I think what happened was that Mazen > did something that he shouldn't have done and they weren't going to > fill the order. > > Yesterday I called Honda USA. They told me that 9 weeks was a long > time to wait and that Paragon Honda had only one order for a Sports > Fit outstanding, and it was Black and much more recent. There is no > evidence that the car was ever ordered. > > Now I don't know if HUSA is accurate but it would seem that they would > know what is being ordered. At this point I'm cancelling the order and > I'm curious as to what you folks think about this chain of events. |
Re: I think my Honda dealer lied about my Fit
"dgk" <dgk@somewhere.com> wrote in message news:b36ih2pnu0simar3es8bv979f4u331gs9h@4ax.com... > In early July I decided I wanted an Orange Fit, and went to my current > Honda dealer who quoted $19,000 without tax (Sport Model). I asked why > it was so much over list and was told that there weren't many and that > they could deliver the car and other dealers couldn't. > > I went to another nearby dealer and was surprised that I could order > it at list, so with tax the whole thing came to just about $18,000, > $2300 cheaper. I posted at the time a thread called "Will My Fit > Arrive" because I was unsure. I have seen Civic LXs sedan at 17,500 on the lot at my dealer. Why a Fit at almost the same price -- and you might be able to deal the Civic down. At 19k you are getting close the price for an Accord LX I4 with a 5 spd. > > My salesperson, Mazen, gave me a card with someone else's name but > wrote his name and number, so I guess he was new. Three weeks later I > went to check on the car, and he was no longer working there but I was > assured that the car was on order and should be in in a few weeks. I > even added the choice of Silver instead of Orange because they said > the Orange one was very difficult. > > At some point I started another thread, "My Fit NOT Arriving" and > accused the dealer of bait and switch, and Elmo, properly, castigated > me for being inaccurate. He was correct, I think they just had no > intention of selling me the car at that price and if I bought another > one, that is ok with them. But I think what happened was that Mazen > did something that he shouldn't have done and they weren't going to > fill the order. > > Yesterday I called Honda USA. They told me that 9 weeks was a long > time to wait and that Paragon Honda had only one order for a Sports > Fit outstanding, and it was Black and much more recent. There is no > evidence that the car was ever ordered. > > Now I don't know if HUSA is accurate but it would seem that they would > know what is being ordered. At this point I'm cancelling the order and > I'm curious as to what you folks think about this chain of events. |
Re: I think my Honda dealer lied about my Fit
"dgk" <dgk@somewhere.com> wrote in message news:b36ih2pnu0simar3es8bv979f4u331gs9h@4ax.com... > In early July I decided I wanted an Orange Fit, and went to my current > Honda dealer who quoted $19,000 without tax (Sport Model). I asked why > it was so much over list and was told that there weren't many and that > they could deliver the car and other dealers couldn't. > > I went to another nearby dealer and was surprised that I could order > it at list, so with tax the whole thing came to just about $18,000, > $2300 cheaper. I posted at the time a thread called "Will My Fit > Arrive" because I was unsure. I have seen Civic LXs sedan at 17,500 on the lot at my dealer. Why a Fit at almost the same price -- and you might be able to deal the Civic down. At 19k you are getting close the price for an Accord LX I4 with a 5 spd. > > My salesperson, Mazen, gave me a card with someone else's name but > wrote his name and number, so I guess he was new. Three weeks later I > went to check on the car, and he was no longer working there but I was > assured that the car was on order and should be in in a few weeks. I > even added the choice of Silver instead of Orange because they said > the Orange one was very difficult. > > At some point I started another thread, "My Fit NOT Arriving" and > accused the dealer of bait and switch, and Elmo, properly, castigated > me for being inaccurate. He was correct, I think they just had no > intention of selling me the car at that price and if I bought another > one, that is ok with them. But I think what happened was that Mazen > did something that he shouldn't have done and they weren't going to > fill the order. > > Yesterday I called Honda USA. They told me that 9 weeks was a long > time to wait and that Paragon Honda had only one order for a Sports > Fit outstanding, and it was Black and much more recent. There is no > evidence that the car was ever ordered. > > Now I don't know if HUSA is accurate but it would seem that they would > know what is being ordered. At this point I'm cancelling the order and > I'm curious as to what you folks think about this chain of events. |
Re: I think my Honda dealer lied about my Fit
On Tue, 26 Sep 2006 19:48:17 -0400, "tww" <twaugh5@cox.net> wrote:
>I have seen Civic LXs sedan at 17,500 on the lot at my dealer. Why a Fit at >almost the same price -- and you might be able to deal the Civic down. At >19k you are getting close the price for an Accord LX I4 with a 5 spd. >> Because I want two things out of this car. One is to be able to throw a bike into the back without needing to get the bike rack. The second is to have a long roof for a 9 1/2 foot surfboard. The Fit is better than the Civic in both ways. I rarely need to carry five adults and there really is nothing that the Civic has that the Fit doesn't that I care about. Well, not quite right. I assume the Civic has a dead pedal. That's a serious problem with the Fit. Well, history anyway now. My 91 Accord is currently undergoing timing belt (and waterpump) surgery so I'll keep it for another year or two. |
Re: I think my Honda dealer lied about my Fit
On Tue, 26 Sep 2006 19:48:17 -0400, "tww" <twaugh5@cox.net> wrote:
>I have seen Civic LXs sedan at 17,500 on the lot at my dealer. Why a Fit at >almost the same price -- and you might be able to deal the Civic down. At >19k you are getting close the price for an Accord LX I4 with a 5 spd. >> Because I want two things out of this car. One is to be able to throw a bike into the back without needing to get the bike rack. The second is to have a long roof for a 9 1/2 foot surfboard. The Fit is better than the Civic in both ways. I rarely need to carry five adults and there really is nothing that the Civic has that the Fit doesn't that I care about. Well, not quite right. I assume the Civic has a dead pedal. That's a serious problem with the Fit. Well, history anyway now. My 91 Accord is currently undergoing timing belt (and waterpump) surgery so I'll keep it for another year or two. |
Re: I think my Honda dealer lied about my Fit
On Tue, 26 Sep 2006 19:48:17 -0400, "tww" <twaugh5@cox.net> wrote:
>I have seen Civic LXs sedan at 17,500 on the lot at my dealer. Why a Fit at >almost the same price -- and you might be able to deal the Civic down. At >19k you are getting close the price for an Accord LX I4 with a 5 spd. >> Because I want two things out of this car. One is to be able to throw a bike into the back without needing to get the bike rack. The second is to have a long roof for a 9 1/2 foot surfboard. The Fit is better than the Civic in both ways. I rarely need to carry five adults and there really is nothing that the Civic has that the Fit doesn't that I care about. Well, not quite right. I assume the Civic has a dead pedal. That's a serious problem with the Fit. Well, history anyway now. My 91 Accord is currently undergoing timing belt (and waterpump) surgery so I'll keep it for another year or two. |
Re: I think my Honda dealer lied about my Fit
On Tue, 26 Sep 2006 16:24:22 -0400, "Elmo P. Shagnasty"
<elmop@nastydesigns.com> wrote: >In article <b36ih2pnu0simar3es8bv979f4u331gs9h@4ax.com>, > dgk <dgk@somewhere.com> wrote: > >> In early July I decided I wanted an Orange Fit, and went to my current >> Honda dealer who quoted $19,000 without tax (Sport Model). I asked why >> it was so much over list and was told that there weren't many and that >> they could deliver the car and other dealers couldn't. >> >> I went to another nearby dealer and was surprised that I could order >> it at list, > >dude, you are SO naive. > >of COURSE he's going to tell you that. At least that way, he has a >chance of your changing your mind to a different color. Worst case, >he's no worse off--he doesn't sell you a car. > >you are SO naive. > >Go away. But didn't you say that calling it bait and switch was wrong? If he knew he couldn't get it and wanted to offer me something else, that is bait and switch, no? I'm curious about the way the dealer "find" system works though. Do the dealers pay over the "dealer cost" to get a popular car from another dealer? |
Re: I think my Honda dealer lied about my Fit
On Tue, 26 Sep 2006 16:24:22 -0400, "Elmo P. Shagnasty"
<elmop@nastydesigns.com> wrote: >In article <b36ih2pnu0simar3es8bv979f4u331gs9h@4ax.com>, > dgk <dgk@somewhere.com> wrote: > >> In early July I decided I wanted an Orange Fit, and went to my current >> Honda dealer who quoted $19,000 without tax (Sport Model). I asked why >> it was so much over list and was told that there weren't many and that >> they could deliver the car and other dealers couldn't. >> >> I went to another nearby dealer and was surprised that I could order >> it at list, > >dude, you are SO naive. > >of COURSE he's going to tell you that. At least that way, he has a >chance of your changing your mind to a different color. Worst case, >he's no worse off--he doesn't sell you a car. > >you are SO naive. > >Go away. But didn't you say that calling it bait and switch was wrong? If he knew he couldn't get it and wanted to offer me something else, that is bait and switch, no? I'm curious about the way the dealer "find" system works though. Do the dealers pay over the "dealer cost" to get a popular car from another dealer? |
Re: I think my Honda dealer lied about my Fit
On Tue, 26 Sep 2006 16:24:22 -0400, "Elmo P. Shagnasty"
<elmop@nastydesigns.com> wrote: >In article <b36ih2pnu0simar3es8bv979f4u331gs9h@4ax.com>, > dgk <dgk@somewhere.com> wrote: > >> In early July I decided I wanted an Orange Fit, and went to my current >> Honda dealer who quoted $19,000 without tax (Sport Model). I asked why >> it was so much over list and was told that there weren't many and that >> they could deliver the car and other dealers couldn't. >> >> I went to another nearby dealer and was surprised that I could order >> it at list, > >dude, you are SO naive. > >of COURSE he's going to tell you that. At least that way, he has a >chance of your changing your mind to a different color. Worst case, >he's no worse off--he doesn't sell you a car. > >you are SO naive. > >Go away. But didn't you say that calling it bait and switch was wrong? If he knew he couldn't get it and wanted to offer me something else, that is bait and switch, no? I'm curious about the way the dealer "find" system works though. Do the dealers pay over the "dealer cost" to get a popular car from another dealer? |
Re: I think my Honda dealer lied about my Fit
As for the "find" technique, I have found that dealers simply trade
comparable cars. When I ordered my Odyssey Touring, all my favorite dealer had on the lot were some EX-Ls, so they called another nearby dealer and traded a hybrid Accord and a hybrid Civic for it....it was originally going to be a Ridgeline, but the 2nd dealer got a shipment in later that day. So essentially, it's just a matter of which dealer needs more of what, then they work out a deal to get it to their customers. However, with a seemingly rare car like the Fit is now, I'd think that there wouldn't be many dealers willing to give it up... But that's just my thoughts. |
Re: I think my Honda dealer lied about my Fit
As for the "find" technique, I have found that dealers simply trade
comparable cars. When I ordered my Odyssey Touring, all my favorite dealer had on the lot were some EX-Ls, so they called another nearby dealer and traded a hybrid Accord and a hybrid Civic for it....it was originally going to be a Ridgeline, but the 2nd dealer got a shipment in later that day. So essentially, it's just a matter of which dealer needs more of what, then they work out a deal to get it to their customers. However, with a seemingly rare car like the Fit is now, I'd think that there wouldn't be many dealers willing to give it up... But that's just my thoughts. |
Re: I think my Honda dealer lied about my Fit
As for the "find" technique, I have found that dealers simply trade
comparable cars. When I ordered my Odyssey Touring, all my favorite dealer had on the lot were some EX-Ls, so they called another nearby dealer and traded a hybrid Accord and a hybrid Civic for it....it was originally going to be a Ridgeline, but the 2nd dealer got a shipment in later that day. So essentially, it's just a matter of which dealer needs more of what, then they work out a deal to get it to their customers. However, with a seemingly rare car like the Fit is now, I'd think that there wouldn't be many dealers willing to give it up... But that's just my thoughts. |
Re: I think my Honda dealer lied about my Fit
dgk wrote: > On Tue, 26 Sep 2006 19:48:17 -0400, "tww" <twaugh5@cox.net> wrote: > > > Well, not quite right. I assume the Civic has a dead pedal. That's a > serious problem with the Fit. Well, history anyway now. My 91 Accord For me no deal pedal is a huge selling point. |
Re: I think my Honda dealer lied about my Fit
dgk wrote: > On Tue, 26 Sep 2006 19:48:17 -0400, "tww" <twaugh5@cox.net> wrote: > > > Well, not quite right. I assume the Civic has a dead pedal. That's a > serious problem with the Fit. Well, history anyway now. My 91 Accord For me no deal pedal is a huge selling point. |
Re: I think my Honda dealer lied about my Fit
dgk wrote: > On Tue, 26 Sep 2006 19:48:17 -0400, "tww" <twaugh5@cox.net> wrote: > > > Well, not quite right. I assume the Civic has a dead pedal. That's a > serious problem with the Fit. Well, history anyway now. My 91 Accord For me no deal pedal is a huge selling point. |
Re: I think my Honda dealer lied about my Fit
"dgk" <dgk@somewhere.com> wrote in message news:8oqkh2hafs9pa4nqh2e4dcr7k44bbk0lou@4ax.com... > On Tue, 26 Sep 2006 19:48:17 -0400, "tww" <twaugh5@cox.net> wrote: > > > >I have seen Civic LXs sedan at 17,500 on the lot at my dealer. Why a Fit at > >almost the same price -- and you might be able to deal the Civic down. At > >19k you are getting close the price for an Accord LX I4 with a 5 spd. > >> > > Because I want two things out of this car. One is to be able to throw > a bike into the back without needing to get the bike rack. The second > is to have a long roof for a 9 1/2 foot surfboard. The Fit is better > than the Civic in both ways. I rarely need to carry five adults and > there really is nothing that the Civic has that the Fit doesn't that I > care about. > > Well, not quite right. I assume the Civic has a dead pedal. That's a > serious problem with the Fit. Well, history anyway now. My 91 Accord > is currently undergoing timing belt (and waterpump) surgery so I'll > keep it for another year or two. Sounds like an Element is more what you are looking for. More money of course, but not that much more. |
Re: I think my Honda dealer lied about my Fit
"dgk" <dgk@somewhere.com> wrote in message news:8oqkh2hafs9pa4nqh2e4dcr7k44bbk0lou@4ax.com... > On Tue, 26 Sep 2006 19:48:17 -0400, "tww" <twaugh5@cox.net> wrote: > > > >I have seen Civic LXs sedan at 17,500 on the lot at my dealer. Why a Fit at > >almost the same price -- and you might be able to deal the Civic down. At > >19k you are getting close the price for an Accord LX I4 with a 5 spd. > >> > > Because I want two things out of this car. One is to be able to throw > a bike into the back without needing to get the bike rack. The second > is to have a long roof for a 9 1/2 foot surfboard. The Fit is better > than the Civic in both ways. I rarely need to carry five adults and > there really is nothing that the Civic has that the Fit doesn't that I > care about. > > Well, not quite right. I assume the Civic has a dead pedal. That's a > serious problem with the Fit. Well, history anyway now. My 91 Accord > is currently undergoing timing belt (and waterpump) surgery so I'll > keep it for another year or two. Sounds like an Element is more what you are looking for. More money of course, but not that much more. |
Re: I think my Honda dealer lied about my Fit
"dgk" <dgk@somewhere.com> wrote in message news:8oqkh2hafs9pa4nqh2e4dcr7k44bbk0lou@4ax.com... > On Tue, 26 Sep 2006 19:48:17 -0400, "tww" <twaugh5@cox.net> wrote: > > > >I have seen Civic LXs sedan at 17,500 on the lot at my dealer. Why a Fit at > >almost the same price -- and you might be able to deal the Civic down. At > >19k you are getting close the price for an Accord LX I4 with a 5 spd. > >> > > Because I want two things out of this car. One is to be able to throw > a bike into the back without needing to get the bike rack. The second > is to have a long roof for a 9 1/2 foot surfboard. The Fit is better > than the Civic in both ways. I rarely need to carry five adults and > there really is nothing that the Civic has that the Fit doesn't that I > care about. > > Well, not quite right. I assume the Civic has a dead pedal. That's a > serious problem with the Fit. Well, history anyway now. My 91 Accord > is currently undergoing timing belt (and waterpump) surgery so I'll > keep it for another year or two. Sounds like an Element is more what you are looking for. More money of course, but not that much more. |
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