C. E. White

"Bob Palmer" <jenbobkatelyn@adelphia.net> wrote in message
news:KeudneOqv_7N1MjeRVn-hA@adelphia.com...
>I find it interesting that NASCAR has it's own little clique of Dodge,
>Chevy and Ford-and it gets all the media attention. I am assuming all the
>rules and regs for their cars are to mainly keep out Toyota and Honda from
>breaking into their little club.

NASCAR has created rules that make the cars from all the manufacturers
essentially the same. Toyota is already competing in the truck series and
will eventually move to the Nextel cup. It is pointless who is identified as
the "manufacturer." The rules are super restrictive. There is no
"technology" competition. If Toyota races cars in the Nextel Cup races, they
will be essentially the same as the "Fords," "Chevrolets," and "Dodges." The
major differences are the decals and the shape of the grille opening. Any
series that tries to control things down to the point of specifying rear
gear ratios, shock absorber designs, and spring rates can hardly be
encouraging innovations. The most important thing is to get a good team.
Winning and loosing depends on fine details. The biggest change in NASCAR
since 1965 is aerodynamics. NASCAR is doing its best to make sure that all
the cars are aerodynamically the same. Strip off the bodies and most of the
parts will look just like a combination of 1965 Ford front suspension and
1965 GMC Truck rear suspension bolted to a homemade tube frame. Think of
NASCAR as WWE in cars with a more corrupt body enforcing the rules.

Ed

Hachiroku

On Wed, 19 Oct 2005 15:30:20 -0400, flobert wrote:

> On Tue, 18 Oct 2005 15:19:16 GMT, Hachiroku <Trueno@ae86.gts> wrote:
>
>>On Tue, 18 Oct 2005 10:34:30 -0400, flobert wrote:
>>
>>> On Mon, 17 Oct 2005 00:00:18 GMT, Hachiroku <Trueno@ae86.gts> wrote:
>>>
>>>>After today's race, Chevrolet dropped out as a supplier of engines to the
>>>>Indy Racing League (IRL)
>>>>
>>>>Interesting. Although previous Indianapolis 500's have had their share of
>>>>British engines as well as American iron, the 2006 Indy 500 will most
>>>>likely be a fight between the best from Honda and Toyota. There may be a
>>>>stray entry of an older car with a Chevy, but IRL is now All Japanese when
>>>>it comes to engines!
>>>
>>> Call me old fashioned, but I much prefer the close racing of the new
>>> A1 series. 3rd ever meting (races 5 and 6) are this weekend, i think -
>>> www.a1gp.com
>>>
>>> The american and Japaneese teams haven't done so well, britain and
>>> canada did well as did New Zeland. Oh and its a british made engine.
>>
>>
>>Hmmmm....sort of a WorldWide IRL. Looks like the spirit of the IRL; the
>>cars are all basically the same and have similar engines (if not the SAME
>>engine!)
>
> Yes, they're all the same engine. The cars are all made by raynard to
> the prince's spec, and he bought all 50 for the teams (2 per team, 25
> country-teams). Cars designed to make a big hole in the air behind, to
> help with overtaking, plus a push-to-pass boost button. All engines
> made by a company called Zytec, and lots of scrutineers around to make
> sure everyones the same. Everyones even running the same cooper tyres,
> although theere are 2 different compounds available
>
>>
>>So what happens is, it doesn't come down to how much MONEY you throw at
>>it, but the skill of the driver. i like that!
>
> Driver AND pitcrew. There's a manditory pit stop to change all 4 tyres
> in the 'feature race'
>
>>
>>When Penske was kicking butt in the CART series, as in F1, it was how much
>>MONEY you had that determined who own the race. When IRL came along I was
>>initially against it, but it leveled tha playing field and brought the
>>competition back to the cockpit rather than the garage itself.
>>
>>This is the first I have heard of A1. Thanks!
>
> no probs. For those that don't know, the race format goes like this...
> Theres a free practice on the friday
> saturday a little practice, and then 4 qualifying sessiosn. Each one
> is 15 minutes long, and teams are allowed an out lap, a flying lap,
> and a in lap in each. something like 5-10mins between each sessions.
> They then take the drivers best TWO times, and add them together, and
> base the grid for the sprint off that There is only one car for each
> team, so no blocking, team orders etc.
>
> Sprint race is about 18 laps, or half an hour long. Takes place about
> 1:30pm on the sunday. No pit stops etc. 10 for first, 9 for second and
> so on, down to 1 for 10th. Finishing order is then the grid for the
> longer feature race that takes place around 3pm. its a hour/36ish lap
> race, with a manditory tyre change pitstop. Standing start, F1 style.
> Pits are one person per wheel, and no-one to leave the garage, except
> the flagman, until the cars stopped. , and the cars must make a pass
> over the start-finish line at racing speed with both sets of tyres.
> Same points layout for the finish of the feature race, and therse an
> aditional point to whoever gets the fastest lap over the two races.
> Thats is basiaclly. The engines are 520hp standard, 550hp when under
> the 'power boost' (get 4 in the sprint, and 8 in the feature - they're
> limited to 30second length, and only work when you've got your
> throttle wide open, press the button when you're braking, and you've
> wasted one.
>
> Very good, close racing, and a wide range of experiance too, from
> former F1 driver jos Verstappen for Holland, down (i don't know if the
> russian and chineese drivers ever really did single-seater racing
> before)


"THE Prince"? Which Prince? You DON'T mean "The Artist" I am assuming!

Interesting. So THAT'S where Verstappen went!

Hopefully, someone will pick this up on this side of the Pond!

Hachiroku

On Wed, 19 Oct 2005 15:30:20 -0400, flobert wrote:

> On Tue, 18 Oct 2005 15:19:16 GMT, Hachiroku <Trueno@ae86.gts> wrote:
>
>>On Tue, 18 Oct 2005 10:34:30 -0400, flobert wrote:
>>
>>> On Mon, 17 Oct 2005 00:00:18 GMT, Hachiroku <Trueno@ae86.gts> wrote:
>>>
>>>>After today's race, Chevrolet dropped out as a supplier of engines to the
>>>>Indy Racing League (IRL)
>>>>
>>>>Interesting. Although previous Indianapolis 500's have had their share of
>>>>British engines as well as American iron, the 2006 Indy 500 will most
>>>>likely be a fight between the best from Honda and Toyota. There may be a
>>>>stray entry of an older car with a Chevy, but IRL is now All Japanese when
>>>>it comes to engines!
>>>
>>> Call me old fashioned, but I much prefer the close racing of the new
>>> A1 series. 3rd ever meting (races 5 and 6) are this weekend, i think -
>>> www.a1gp.com
>>>
>>> The american and Japaneese teams haven't done so well, britain and
>>> canada did well as did New Zeland. Oh and its a british made engine.
>>
>>
>>Hmmmm....sort of a WorldWide IRL. Looks like the spirit of the IRL; the
>>cars are all basically the same and have similar engines (if not the SAME
>>engine!)
>
> Yes, they're all the same engine. The cars are all made by raynard to
> the prince's spec, and he bought all 50 for the teams (2 per team, 25
> country-teams). Cars designed to make a big hole in the air behind, to
> help with overtaking, plus a push-to-pass boost button. All engines
> made by a company called Zytec, and lots of scrutineers around to make
> sure everyones the same. Everyones even running the same cooper tyres,
> although theere are 2 different compounds available
>
>>
>>So what happens is, it doesn't come down to how much MONEY you throw at
>>it, but the skill of the driver. i like that!
>
> Driver AND pitcrew. There's a manditory pit stop to change all 4 tyres
> in the 'feature race'
>
>>
>>When Penske was kicking butt in the CART series, as in F1, it was how much
>>MONEY you had that determined who own the race. When IRL came along I was
>>initially against it, but it leveled tha playing field and brought the
>>competition back to the cockpit rather than the garage itself.
>>
>>This is the first I have heard of A1. Thanks!
>
> no probs. For those that don't know, the race format goes like this...
> Theres a free practice on the friday
> saturday a little practice, and then 4 qualifying sessiosn. Each one
> is 15 minutes long, and teams are allowed an out lap, a flying lap,
> and a in lap in each. something like 5-10mins between each sessions.
> They then take the drivers best TWO times, and add them together, and
> base the grid for the sprint off that There is only one car for each
> team, so no blocking, team orders etc.
>
> Sprint race is about 18 laps, or half an hour long. Takes place about
> 1:30pm on the sunday. No pit stops etc. 10 for first, 9 for second and
> so on, down to 1 for 10th. Finishing order is then the grid for the
> longer feature race that takes place around 3pm. its a hour/36ish lap
> race, with a manditory tyre change pitstop. Standing start, F1 style.
> Pits are one person per wheel, and no-one to leave the garage, except
> the flagman, until the cars stopped. , and the cars must make a pass
> over the start-finish line at racing speed with both sets of tyres.
> Same points layout for the finish of the feature race, and therse an
> aditional point to whoever gets the fastest lap over the two races.
> Thats is basiaclly. The engines are 520hp standard, 550hp when under
> the 'power boost' (get 4 in the sprint, and 8 in the feature - they're
> limited to 30second length, and only work when you've got your
> throttle wide open, press the button when you're braking, and you've
> wasted one.
>
> Very good, close racing, and a wide range of experiance too, from
> former F1 driver jos Verstappen for Holland, down (i don't know if the
> russian and chineese drivers ever really did single-seater racing
> before)


"THE Prince"? Which Prince? You DON'T mean "The Artist" I am assuming!

Interesting. So THAT'S where Verstappen went!

Hopefully, someone will pick this up on this side of the Pond!

flobert

On Wed, 19 Oct 2005 23:29:39 GMT, Hachiroku <Trueno@ae86.gts> wrote:

>On Wed, 19 Oct 2005 15:30:20 -0400, flobert wrote:
>
>> On Tue, 18 Oct 2005 15:19:16 GMT, Hachiroku <Trueno@ae86.gts> wrote:
>>
>>>On Tue, 18 Oct 2005 10:34:30 -0400, flobert wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Mon, 17 Oct 2005 00:00:18 GMT, Hachiroku <Trueno@ae86.gts> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>After today's race, Chevrolet dropped out as a supplier of engines to the
>>>>>Indy Racing League (IRL)
>>>>>
>>>>>Interesting. Although previous Indianapolis 500's have had their share of
>>>>>British engines as well as American iron, the 2006 Indy 500 will most
>>>>>likely be a fight between the best from Honda and Toyota. There may be a
>>>>>stray entry of an older car with a Chevy, but IRL is now All Japanese when
>>>>>it comes to engines!
>>>>
>>>> Call me old fashioned, but I much prefer the close racing of the new
>>>> A1 series. 3rd ever meting (races 5 and 6) are this weekend, i think -
>>>> www.a1gp.com
>>>>
>>>> The american and Japaneese teams haven't done so well, britain and
>>>> canada did well as did New Zeland. Oh and its a british made engine.
>>>
>>>
>>>Hmmmm....sort of a WorldWide IRL. Looks like the spirit of the IRL; the
>>>cars are all basically the same and have similar engines (if not the SAME
>>>engine!)
>>
>> Yes, they're all the same engine. The cars are all made by raynard to
>> the prince's spec, and he bought all 50 for the teams (2 per team, 25
>> country-teams). Cars designed to make a big hole in the air behind, to
>> help with overtaking, plus a push-to-pass boost button. All engines
>> made by a company called Zytec, and lots of scrutineers around to make
>> sure everyones the same. Everyones even running the same cooper tyres,
>> although theere are 2 different compounds available
>>
>>>
>>>So what happens is, it doesn't come down to how much MONEY you throw at
>>>it, but the skill of the driver. i like that!
>>
>> Driver AND pitcrew. There's a manditory pit stop to change all 4 tyres
>> in the 'feature race'
>>
>>>
>>>When Penske was kicking butt in the CART series, as in F1, it was how much
>>>MONEY you had that determined who own the race. When IRL came along I was
>>>initially against it, but it leveled tha playing field and brought the
>>>competition back to the cockpit rather than the garage itself.
>>>
>>>This is the first I have heard of A1. Thanks!
>>
>> no probs. For those that don't know, the race format goes like this...
>> Theres a free practice on the friday
>> saturday a little practice, and then 4 qualifying sessiosn. Each one
>> is 15 minutes long, and teams are allowed an out lap, a flying lap,
>> and a in lap in each. something like 5-10mins between each sessions.
>> They then take the drivers best TWO times, and add them together, and
>> base the grid for the sprint off that There is only one car for each
>> team, so no blocking, team orders etc.
>>
>> Sprint race is about 18 laps, or half an hour long. Takes place about
>> 1:30pm on the sunday. No pit stops etc. 10 for first, 9 for second and
>> so on, down to 1 for 10th. Finishing order is then the grid for the
>> longer feature race that takes place around 3pm. its a hour/36ish lap
>> race, with a manditory tyre change pitstop. Standing start, F1 style.
>> Pits are one person per wheel, and no-one to leave the garage, except
>> the flagman, until the cars stopped. , and the cars must make a pass
>> over the start-finish line at racing speed with both sets of tyres.
>> Same points layout for the finish of the feature race, and therse an
>> aditional point to whoever gets the fastest lap over the two races.
>> Thats is basiaclly. The engines are 520hp standard, 550hp when under
>> the 'power boost' (get 4 in the sprint, and 8 in the feature - they're
>> limited to 30second length, and only work when you've got your
>> throttle wide open, press the button when you're braking, and you've
>> wasted one.
>>
>> Very good, close racing, and a wide range of experiance too, from
>> former F1 driver jos Verstappen for Holland, down (i don't know if the
>> russian and chineese drivers ever really did single-seater racing
>> before)
>
>
>"THE Prince"? Which Prince? You DON'T mean "The Artist" I am assuming!

No, some shiek from Dubai.

>
>Interesting. So THAT'S where Verstappen went!
>
>Hopefully, someone will pick this up on this side of the Pond!

There are a few torrents of the first 2 meetings outt here, but from
http://www.a1teamusa.com/ its shown on "setlanta sports channel" on
direcTV, and you can register on the day of the race to watch a
webcast at a1gp.com, starrts 8am EST

flobert

On Wed, 19 Oct 2005 23:29:39 GMT, Hachiroku <Trueno@ae86.gts> wrote:

>On Wed, 19 Oct 2005 15:30:20 -0400, flobert wrote:
>
>> On Tue, 18 Oct 2005 15:19:16 GMT, Hachiroku <Trueno@ae86.gts> wrote:
>>
>>>On Tue, 18 Oct 2005 10:34:30 -0400, flobert wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Mon, 17 Oct 2005 00:00:18 GMT, Hachiroku <Trueno@ae86.gts> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>After today's race, Chevrolet dropped out as a supplier of engines to the
>>>>>Indy Racing League (IRL)
>>>>>
>>>>>Interesting. Although previous Indianapolis 500's have had their share of
>>>>>British engines as well as American iron, the 2006 Indy 500 will most
>>>>>likely be a fight between the best from Honda and Toyota. There may be a
>>>>>stray entry of an older car with a Chevy, but IRL is now All Japanese when
>>>>>it comes to engines!
>>>>
>>>> Call me old fashioned, but I much prefer the close racing of the new
>>>> A1 series. 3rd ever meting (races 5 and 6) are this weekend, i think -
>>>> www.a1gp.com
>>>>
>>>> The american and Japaneese teams haven't done so well, britain and
>>>> canada did well as did New Zeland. Oh and its a british made engine.
>>>
>>>
>>>Hmmmm....sort of a WorldWide IRL. Looks like the spirit of the IRL; the
>>>cars are all basically the same and have similar engines (if not the SAME
>>>engine!)
>>
>> Yes, they're all the same engine. The cars are all made by raynard to
>> the prince's spec, and he bought all 50 for the teams (2 per team, 25
>> country-teams). Cars designed to make a big hole in the air behind, to
>> help with overtaking, plus a push-to-pass boost button. All engines
>> made by a company called Zytec, and lots of scrutineers around to make
>> sure everyones the same. Everyones even running the same cooper tyres,
>> although theere are 2 different compounds available
>>
>>>
>>>So what happens is, it doesn't come down to how much MONEY you throw at
>>>it, but the skill of the driver. i like that!
>>
>> Driver AND pitcrew. There's a manditory pit stop to change all 4 tyres
>> in the 'feature race'
>>
>>>
>>>When Penske was kicking butt in the CART series, as in F1, it was how much
>>>MONEY you had that determined who own the race. When IRL came along I was
>>>initially against it, but it leveled tha playing field and brought the
>>>competition back to the cockpit rather than the garage itself.
>>>
>>>This is the first I have heard of A1. Thanks!
>>
>> no probs. For those that don't know, the race format goes like this...
>> Theres a free practice on the friday
>> saturday a little practice, and then 4 qualifying sessiosn. Each one
>> is 15 minutes long, and teams are allowed an out lap, a flying lap,
>> and a in lap in each. something like 5-10mins between each sessions.
>> They then take the drivers best TWO times, and add them together, and
>> base the grid for the sprint off that There is only one car for each
>> team, so no blocking, team orders etc.
>>
>> Sprint race is about 18 laps, or half an hour long. Takes place about
>> 1:30pm on the sunday. No pit stops etc. 10 for first, 9 for second and
>> so on, down to 1 for 10th. Finishing order is then the grid for the
>> longer feature race that takes place around 3pm. its a hour/36ish lap
>> race, with a manditory tyre change pitstop. Standing start, F1 style.
>> Pits are one person per wheel, and no-one to leave the garage, except
>> the flagman, until the cars stopped. , and the cars must make a pass
>> over the start-finish line at racing speed with both sets of tyres.
>> Same points layout for the finish of the feature race, and therse an
>> aditional point to whoever gets the fastest lap over the two races.
>> Thats is basiaclly. The engines are 520hp standard, 550hp when under
>> the 'power boost' (get 4 in the sprint, and 8 in the feature - they're
>> limited to 30second length, and only work when you've got your
>> throttle wide open, press the button when you're braking, and you've
>> wasted one.
>>
>> Very good, close racing, and a wide range of experiance too, from
>> former F1 driver jos Verstappen for Holland, down (i don't know if the
>> russian and chineese drivers ever really did single-seater racing
>> before)
>
>
>"THE Prince"? Which Prince? You DON'T mean "The Artist" I am assuming!

No, some shiek from Dubai.

>
>Interesting. So THAT'S where Verstappen went!
>
>Hopefully, someone will pick this up on this side of the Pond!

There are a few torrents of the first 2 meetings outt here, but from
http://www.a1teamusa.com/ its shown on "setlanta sports channel" on
direcTV, and you can register on the day of the race to watch a
webcast at a1gp.com, starrts 8am EST

Coyoteboy

The problem most people seem to miss, and i too have no actual figures
for, is in the production of methanol (instead of gasoline) are the
power consumptions greater than fuel. Same with hydrogen cells or
electric cars - the power to charge the batteries comes from power
stations, the power to heat/cool/pump chemical reactions round a
refinery all add up and have to be produced by a non-renewable resource
until we get enough wind/tidal power to replace all power stations.

J

Coyoteboy

The problem most people seem to miss, and i too have no actual figures
for, is in the production of methanol (instead of gasoline) are the
power consumptions greater than fuel. Same with hydrogen cells or
electric cars - the power to charge the batteries comes from power
stations, the power to heat/cool/pump chemical reactions round a
refinery all add up and have to be produced by a non-renewable resource
until we get enough wind/tidal power to replace all power stations.

J