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Japanese sedans
There is a lot of talk about BMW, VW and American sedans. Has
anyone ever considered the Nissan Maxima or the Toyota Camry? These two sedans fully loaded and optioned down are cheaper, faster, more reliable, better handling and more comfortable and practical than your typical VW, BMW, or Brand X American sedan. You could buy a fully loaded Camry and have a pile of money left over to spend. You would also have a lot more room than your typical VW or BMW. The German sedans just do not have any room in them for larger people. Fitting 4 or 5 people in them would be a stretch of the imagination. -- __________ ==\ /================================ ===\ /==You know how dumb the average== ====\ /===guy is? Well half of everyone== =====\ /======is even dumber than that===== ======\/==================================== http://31337.pl |
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Yes, you are completely correct.
If you have enough money to but a BMW or a Benz what does it matter? At that level of income money have no meaning. It's just an object Plus some people may want to look like they are "rich." Yota and Nissan nor Honda give off that Image. Just some food for thought. |
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Omphalos <omphalos@xmsg.com> wrote in message news:<AgiNa.17418$ic1.317121@twister.tampabay.rr.c om>...
> There is a lot of talk about BMW, VW and American sedans. Has > anyone ever considered the Nissan Maxima or the Toyota Camry? These > two sedans fully loaded and optioned down are cheaper, faster, more > reliable, better handling Ha ha ha :) |
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"Ricardo" <sovietjamaicanguy@spamfreezone.yahoo.ca> wrote in message > > Hard to beat a Bimmer for space and comfort, when you've been > accustomed to cramped U.S. and Japanese cars all your life. Although > Volvos are pretty good too, 'cos I don't even need the driver's seat > all the way back on a V40, which is very rare. > What are you talking about? I've ridden in Bimmers. Other than the 7 series perhaps, they are microscopically tiny . . . especially if you compare them with the average Jap sedan costing many thousands of dollars less. -Dave |
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"Dave C." wrote: > "Ricardo" <sovietjamaicanguy@spamfreezone.yahoo.ca> wrote in message > > > Hard to beat a Bimmer for space and comfort, when you've been > > accustomed to cramped U.S. and Japanese cars all your life. Although > > Volvos are pretty good too, 'cos I don't even need the driver's seat > > all the way back on a V40, which is very rare. > > > > What are you talking about? I've ridden in Bimmers. Other than the 7 > series perhaps, they are microscopically tiny . . . especially if you > compare them with the average Jap sedan costing many thousands of dollars > less. -Dave actually a bimmer 3 series is smaller then a accord but a vw passat is roomier then most jap sedans, but its far from reliable marcel |
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I disagree on VW... I own a 2002 Passat V6 and it is great. Larger than my
wife's 2000 Altima (even larger than the newer 2002+ Altima's.) The quality and finish is 100 times better than the Nissan's and Honda's I've seen. The V6 has alright HP, better ride quality, VERY comfortable, and can easily seat 5 people. Being 6'1, there is alright head/leg room (not the best...) Reliability is a question (had a 1996 Passat that started leaking oil) and servicing is costly. The Jetta, on the other hand, I WOULD NOT touch... "Omphalos" <omphalos@xmsg.com> wrote in message news:AgiNa.17418$ic1.317121@twister.tampabay.rr.co m... > There is a lot of talk about BMW, VW and American sedans. Has > anyone ever considered the Nissan Maxima or the Toyota Camry? These > two sedans fully loaded and optioned down are cheaper, faster, more > reliable, better handling and more comfortable and practical than your > typical VW, BMW, or Brand X American sedan. > > You could buy a fully loaded Camry and have a pile of money left over > to spend. You would also have a lot more room than your typical VW or > BMW. The German sedans just do not have any room in them for larger > people. Fitting 4 or 5 people in them would be a stretch of the > imagination. > > -- > __________ > ==\ /================================ > ===\ /==You know how dumb the average== > ====\ /===guy is? Well half of everyone== > =====\ /======is even dumber than that===== > ======\/==================================== > > http://31337.pl |
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Dave C. wrote:
> "Ricardo" <sovietjamaicanguy@spamfreezone.yahoo.ca> wrote in message > >> Hard to beat a Bimmer for space and comfort, when you've been >> accustomed to cramped U.S. and Japanese cars all your life. Although >> Volvos are pretty good too, 'cos I don't even need the driver's seat >> all the way back on a V40, which is very rare. >> > > What are you talking about? I've ridden in Bimmers. Other than the 7 > series perhaps, they are microscopically tiny . . . especially if you > compare them with the average Jap sedan costing many thousands of > dollars less. -Dave I agree with you, Dave. The 3 series have since the mid '80's been for unusually short waisted people and the 5 series only marginally better. -- *Philip "Children left running and unattended will be towed at owner's expense" |
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How about a Jetta TDI?
-- *Philip "Children left running and unattended will be towed at owner's expense" >Martin wrote: > I disagree on VW... I own a 2002 Passat V6 and it is great. Larger > than my wife's 2000 Altima (even larger than the newer 2002+ > Altima's.) The quality and finish is 100 times better than the > Nissan's and Honda's I've seen. The V6 has alright HP, better ride > quality, VERY comfortable, and can easily seat 5 people. Being 6'1, > there is alright head/leg room (not the best...) Reliability is a > question (had a 1996 Passat that started leaking oil) and servicing > is costly. The Jetta, on the other hand, I WOULD NOT touch... > |
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Ricardo wrote: > > On Sat, 05 Jul 2003 01:28:25 GMT, "Philip®" > <chipstate@earthlink.net> wrote: > > >> What are you talking about? I've ridden in Bimmers. Other than the 7 > >> series perhaps, they are microscopically tiny . . . especially if you > >> compare them with the average Jap sedan costing many thousands of > >> dollars less. -Dave > > > >I agree with you, Dave. The 3 series have since the mid '80's been for > >unusually short waisted people and the 5 series only marginally better. > > The Bimmers I was referring to were an '84 318i, an '84 533i(?) and > an '81 733i. Plenty of room in all three, at least up front. I had an '86 535i, and I thought the f'ing thing was HUGE. 5 people could fit in it very comfortably. Certainly no space issues up front, only thing that was tight was hip room with 3-up in the back. nate |
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Ricardo wrote:
> On Sat, 05 Jul 2003 01:28:25 GMT, "Philip®" > <chipstate@earthlink.net> wrote: > >>> What are you talking about? I've ridden in Bimmers. Other than >>> the 7 series perhaps, they are microscopically tiny . . . >>> especially if you compare them with the average Jap sedan costing >>> many thousands of dollars less. -Dave >> >> I agree with you, Dave. The 3 series have since the mid '80's been >> for unusually short waisted people and the 5 series only marginally >> better. > > The Bimmers I was referring to were an '84 318i, an '84 533i(?) and > an '81 733i. Plenty of room in all three, at least up front. NOT in 3 series, that is for sure. 7's were decent but then you're talking about a barge anyway. -- *Philip "Children left running and unattended will be towed at owner's expense" |
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"Philip?" <chipstate@earthlink.net> wrote:
> NOT in 3 series, that is for sure. 7's were decent but then you're > talking about a barge anyway. I find how much space a car has depends on who you ask, not what height. I had a Porsche and I had tall epople who were fine in the front seat (and one who even said he wasn't too bad in the back seat but I think that was more of a I can bear it kinda thing) and ones who didn't like it. Hell, I think the tall friend who could bear the back seat was also trying to egg me on to get five in that car (we did it and when it scraped bottom at the end of the drive way I kicked them out and said we're taking two cars, I wasn't all that happy about sticking that many epople in my car. Four in a 911 is a squeeze... five is just insane). The one tall person I have had in my '84 325e thought it was totally fine (he was in the backseat) but haven't really had much of a chance to have that many peple in it. I don't think it would fit five comfortabley (you could do it but hope taht the three in back are good friends). But I do think it would fit four fine. Alice -- The root cause of problems is simple overpopulation. People just aren't worth very much any more, and they know it. Makes 'em testy. ...Bev |\ _,,,---,,_ Tigress /,`.-'`' -. ;-;;,_ http://havoc.gtf.gatech.edu/tigress |,4- ) )-,_..;\ ( `'-' tigressnospam@gtf.org '---''(_/--' `-'\_) Cat by Felix Lee. |
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tigressnospam@gtf.org wrote: > "Philip?" <chipstate@earthlink.net> wrote: >> NOT in 3 series, that is for sure. 7's were decent but then you're >> talking about a barge anyway. > > I find how much space a car has depends on who you ask, not what > height. I had a Porsche and I had tall epople who were fine in the > front seat (and one who even said he wasn't too bad in the back seat > but I think that was more of a I can bear it kinda thing) and ones > who didn't like it. Hell, I think the tall friend who could bear the > back seat was also trying to egg me on to get five in that car (we > did it and when it scraped bottom at the end of the drive way I > kicked them out and said we're taking two cars, I wasn't all that > happy about sticking that many epople in my car. Four in a 911 is a > squeeze... five is just insane). > > The one tall person I have had in my '84 325e thought it was totally > fine (he was in the backseat) but haven't really had much of a chance > to have that many peple in it. I don't think it would fit five > comfortabley (you could do it but hope taht the three in back are > good friends). But I do think it would fit four fine. > > Alice For me, it's about driving posture. I do not drive with the seat angled back and arms stretched out. That posture allows for long waisted people to fit into a 3 series. From trucking, I prefer the sit up, touring car posture .... which the low roofed 3 series especially with sun roof do not accomodate without my scalp rubbing the roof. -- *Philip "Children left running and unattended will be towed at owner's expense" |
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> The Bimmers I was referring to were an '84 318i, an '84 533i(?) and
> an '81 733i. Plenty of room in all three, at least up front. Agreed, but I'm 10.5 stone and 5'6" :-) Most attractive thing about the E30 is how small it is. I always thought the E36/46 were a bit big. It's really noticeable that the current sports seats are too wide, the sports seats on the E30 and 635 were perfect for me. -- Who needs a life when you've got Unix? :-) Email: john@unixnerd.demon.co.uk, John G.Burns B.Eng, Bonny Scotland Web : http://www.unixnerd.demon.co.uk - The Ultimate BMW Homepage! Need Sun or HP Unix kit? http://www.unixnerd.demon.co.uk/unix.html |
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"Dave C." <spammersdie@slowlyandpainfully.com> wrote in message news:<EInNa.80196$Io.7338307@newsread2.prod.itd.ea rthlink.net>...
> "Ricardo" <sovietjamaicanguy@spamfreezone.yahoo.ca> wrote in message > > > Hard to beat a Bimmer for space and comfort, when you've been > > accustomed to cramped U.S. and Japanese cars all your life. Although > > Volvos are pretty good too, 'cos I don't even need the driver's seat > > all the way back on a V40, which is very rare. > > > > What are you talking about? I've ridden in Bimmers. Other than the 7 > series perhaps, they are microscopically tiny . . . especially if you > compare them with the average Jap sedan costing many thousands of dollars > less. -Dave I agree. If you're fat, it's kinda hard to squeeze your arse into a BMW :). |
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I think the Honda and Toyota offerings represent the best values in the
market. But your statement that the Japanese are faster (sometimes, not usually), better handling (not in my humble experience and I've driven most of them) and more comfortable (Can't STAND my mother's Camry, my old Accord was okay, but not great) is just plain WRONG. My 5 series isn't perfect. The cupholders suck. There's a lack of interior storage places and the trunk is a bit small. The climate control works well but is relatively unsophisticated. And the audio system is surpassed by most Japanese offerings. BMW has the best seats and driving position in the business. In terms of vehicle dynamics, which create the driving experience, it is unexceeded by anything with 4 doors. R / John "Omphalos" <omphalos@xmsg.com> wrote in message news:AgiNa.17418$ic1.317121@twister.tampabay.rr.co m... > There is a lot of talk about BMW, VW and American sedans. Has > anyone ever considered the Nissan Maxima or the Toyota Camry? These > two sedans fully loaded and optioned down are cheaper, faster, more > reliable, better handling and more comfortable and practical than your > typical VW, BMW, or Brand X American sedan. > > You could buy a fully loaded Camry and have a pile of money left over > to spend. You would also have a lot more room than your typical VW or > BMW. The German sedans just do not have any room in them for larger > people. Fitting 4 or 5 people in them would be a stretch of the > imagination. > > -- > __________ > ==\ /================================ > ===\ /==You know how dumb the average== > ====\ /===guy is? Well half of everyone== > =====\ /======is even dumber than that===== > ======\/==================================== > > http://31337.pl |
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Ricardo wrote: > On Fri, 04 Jul 2003 16:51:44 GMT, Omphalos <omphalos@xmsg.com> > wrote: > > >>There is a lot of talk about BMW, VW and American sedans. Has >>anyone ever considered the Nissan Maxima or the Toyota Camry? These >>two sedans fully loaded and optioned down are cheaper, faster, more >>reliable, better handling >> > > Really? I didn't think Camrys were too up on the handling and > stability side of the equation. They must have changed in recent > times. Correct - Toyota now has the SE model Camrys. The Accord and Maxima already had somewhat decent handling. > > >>and more comfortable and practical than your >>typical VW, BMW, >> > > Hard to beat a Bimmer for space and comfort, when you've been > accustomed to cramped U.S. and Japanese cars all your life. Although > Volvos are pretty good too, 'cos I don't even need the driver's seat > all the way back on a V40, which is very rare. The may be for the older cars. The 1980s Volvos have more usable space on the inside than the current models. I test drove a 2002 BMW 3 series wagon, a station wagon, not a two seater sports coupe, and my 8 year son barely fit in the back seat due to lack of legroom. > > >>You could buy a fully loaded Camry and have a pile of money left over >>to spend. >> > > Hmmm, never really thought much about Camrys; if I had the money a > Lexus LS430 might be worth considering if I was going down the Camry > route, since that's pretty much just a luxed up and improved Camry, > right? :) > > >>You would also have a lot more room than your typical VW or >>BMW. The German sedans just do not have any room in them for larger >>people. >> > > I'm only 6'1 to 6'2 or so, but I disagree. When I tried out 3 series > Bimmers for size, I fitted in them quite well. Now I'll grant you, > I'm not THAT tall, and there are several posters in r.a.d alone who > dwarf me right here and now, but I find most yank- and japmobiles to > be relatively cramped, though not normally unbearably so. > > >>Fitting 4 or 5 people in them would be a stretch of the >>imagination. >> > > Istr there's enough room in the back seat of a 5 series Bimmer, but > maybe I was imagining things. > > |
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The problem with Japanese cars is similar to Japanese food. Park it and
an hour later, you feel like driving it again. -- Philip "If a long train of abuses, prevarications, and artifices, all tending the same way, make the design visible to the people . tis not to be wondered that they should then rouse themselves." - John Locke (1632-1704) "noway" <nospam@nospam.com> wrote in message news:xUANa.409461$3n5.56392@news2.central.cox.net. .. > The only way to buy a car is to test drive. Its a matter of preference. See > which one sits more comfortable, drives the way you want it to, and has the > features you can't live without. Might want to test a Hyundai also, you'd be > surprised how they drive. > > "Omphalos" <omphalos@xmsg.com> wrote in message > news:AgiNa.17418$ic1.317121@twister.tampabay.rr.co m... > > There is a lot of talk about BMW, VW and American sedans. Has > > anyone ever considered the Nissan Maxima or the Toyota Camry? These > > two sedans fully loaded and optioned down are cheaper, faster, more > > reliable, better handling and more comfortable and practical than your > > typical VW, BMW, or Brand X American sedan. > > > > You could buy a fully loaded Camry and have a pile of money left over > > to spend. You would also have a lot more room than your typical VW or > > BMW. The German sedans just do not have any room in them for larger > > people. Fitting 4 or 5 people in them would be a stretch of the > > imagination. > > > > -- > > __________ > > ==\ /================================ > > ===\ /==You know how dumb the average== > > ====\ /===guy is? Well half of everyone== > > =====\ /======is even dumber than that===== > > ======\/==================================== > > > > http://31337.pl > > > |
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I OWN a Maxima. I bought it for the exact reasons that you mentioned. I'l
GLADLY go into additional debt just to get rid of the thing. Customer support is DISMAL. Nissan simply doesn't care about its owners. Our '03 225i handles IMMEASURABLY better. The New '04 MAxima interior looks as if it were designed by Mattell. CHEAP PLASTIC. You simply can't compare teh actual driving experience of these cars. |
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On Sat, 05 Jul 2003 09:51:34 +0100, John Burns
<john@unixnerd.demon.co.uk> wrote: >> The Bimmers I was referring to were an '84 318i, an '84 533i(?) and >> an '81 733i. Plenty of room in all three, at least up front. > >Agreed, but I'm 10.5 stone and 5'6" :-) Well, we're about the same weight, that could explain it. :) (And "stones" and "ounces" are the most illogical units around, because they utilize bases 14 and 16 respectively. Feet and inches make more sense because they are dozenally based. But 12lbs in a st and 12oz in a lb would make far more sense. But then, what was ever logical about much of the imperial system?) >It's really noticeable that the current sports seats are too wide, the >sports seats on the E30 and 635 were perfect for me. Ahh, the 6 series. Yes, I'd forgotten about those. Never been in one mind, as far as I can remember, but I'd be kinda surprised if they didn't offer sufficient room up front. -- ricardo, ex-euroslav vancouver bc canada e-mail: remove spamfreezone to reply for liability purposes: I *always* obey the law. '89 grand am le, garaged; '91 mx6 gt |
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Ricardo wrote: > > On Sat, 05 Jul 2003 09:51:34 +0100, John Burns > <john@unixnerd.demon.co.uk> wrote: > > >> The Bimmers I was referring to were an '84 318i, an '84 533i(?) and > >> an '81 733i. Plenty of room in all three, at least up front. > > > >Agreed, but I'm 10.5 stone and 5'6" :-) > > Well, we're about the same weight, that could explain it. :) (And > "stones" and "ounces" are the most illogical units around, because > they utilize bases 14 and 16 respectively. Feet and inches make more > sense because they are dozenally based. But 12lbs in a st and 12oz > in a lb would make far more sense. But then, what was ever logical > about much of the imperial system?) > > >It's really noticeable that the current sports seats are too wide, the > >sports seats on the E30 and 635 were perfect for me. > > Ahh, the 6 series. Yes, I'd forgotten about those. Never been in one > mind, as far as I can remember, but I'd be kinda surprised if they > didn't offer sufficient room up front. > AFAIR they were very similar to the E28s... nate |
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On Sun, 06 Jul 2003 09:01:56 +1000, Jim...
<snezrewvz@vvarg.arg.nh.rot13> wrote: >you're kidding. >the imperial system is dead and what you're waffling about is the >reason why. >it's so much simpler just to think ISO about everything. I concur, but John referred to "stones" (arch.: 1st=14lb), hence my comment on the illogical nature of many imperial measurements, with the exception of those such as ft and in which are dozenally founded. A dozenal metric system based on ft and in would make a lot of sense, actually, but that would require transition to a dozenal numbering system: www.dozens.org www.dsgb.orbix.co.uk -- ricardo, ex-euroslav vancouver bc canada e-mail: remove spamfreezone to reply |
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On Sat, 05 Jul 2003 23:55:31 GMT,
sovietjamaicanguy@spamfreezone.yahoo.ca (Ricardo) wrote: >On Sun, 06 Jul 2003 09:01:56 +1000, Jim... ><snezrewvz@vvarg.arg.nh.rot13> wrote: > >>you're kidding. >>the imperial system is dead and what you're waffling about is the >>reason why. >>it's so much simpler just to think ISO about everything. > >I concur, but John referred to "stones" (arch.: 1st=14lb), hence my >comment on the illogical nature of many imperial measurements, with >the exception of those such as ft and in which are dozenally >founded. A dozenal metric system based on ft and in would make a lot >of sense, actually, but that would require transition to a dozenal >numbering system: > >www.dozens.org >www.dsgb.orbix.co.uk it would make far more sense in this computer age the use a base 16 instead of 10 but it isn't going to happen. apply rot13 to snezrewvz@vvarg.arg.nh will find me. |
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On Sun, 06 Jul 2003 10:02:31 +1000, Jim...
<snezrewvz@vvarg.arg.nh.rot13> wrote: >it would make far more sense in this computer age the use a base 16 >instead of 10 but it isn't going to happen. Base 16 is easier for computers (effectively a binary derivative), but not necessarily for people. 12 reflects reality very nicely, although 10 isn't as terrible a choice as the dozenal advocates would have you believe. Imo 8, 10 and 12 are practical choices for everyday use and it so happens that we use base 10, mainly as a result of the possession of ten manual appendages. -- ricardo, ex-euroslav vancouver bc canada e-mail: remove spamfreezone to reply |
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On 5 Jul 2003 15:08:44 -0700, eastwardbound2003@yahoo.com (Eastward
Bound) wrote: >Agreed, Jap cars are just a BIG waste. > >Not just to the owners who end up with inferior products, but to >America that is suffering each and every time someone buys a product >that is non-supporting to the American economy. Uhh, aren't some of those Jap cars made in the U.S.? -- ricardo, ex-euroslav vancouver bc canada e-mail: remove spamfreezone to reply for liability purposes: I *always* obey the law. '89 grand am le, garaged; '91 mx6 gt |
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Eastward Bound wrote: > Agreed, Jap cars are just a BIG waste. > > Not just to the owners who end up with inferior products, but to > America that is suffering each and every time someone buys a product > that is non-supporting to the American economy. Regarding the American Toyotas....specifically the models whose engines (V8, V6's, and I4's), transmissions (automatics), bodies (stampings done on the assembly line premises), and plastics (bumpers, dashboards, molded parts) are manufactured from American raw materials, assembled by UAW workers, and sold in both the US and Canada? Are you trashing UAW workers? Perhaps you could explain the tax structure in detail from top to bottom? Inferior products? Toyota is Number 3 auto maker in the world. Get your head out of your arse. -- Philip "If a long train of abuses, prevarications, and artifices, all tending the same way, make the design visible to the people . tis not to be wondered that they should then rouse themselves." - John Locke (1632-1704) |
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Eastward Bound <eastwardbound2003@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Agreed, Jap cars are just a BIG waste. > > Not just to the owners who end up with inferior products, but to > America that is suffering each and every time someone buys a product > that is non-supporting to the American economy. Tell that to the people in American making those cars. Tell that to the people who lost their jobs to Mexico or elsewhre that worked for an American manufacturer. Alice -- The root cause of problems is simple overpopulation. People just aren't worth very much any more, and they know it. Makes 'em testy. ...Bev |\ _,,,---,,_ Tigress /,`.-'`' -. ;-;;,_ http://havoc.gtf.gatech.edu/tigress |,4- ) )-,_..;\ ( `'-' tigressnospam@gtf.org '---''(_/--' `-'\_) Cat by Felix Lee. |
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Ricardo wrote:
> On Sun, 06 Jul 2003 10:02:31 +1000, Jim... > <snezrewvz@vvarg.arg.nh.rot13> wrote: > >>it would make far more sense in this computer age the use a base 16 >>instead of 10 but it isn't going to happen. > > Base 16 is easier for computers (effectively a binary derivative), > but not necessarily for people. 12 reflects reality very nicely, > although 10 isn't as terrible a choice as the dozenal advocates > would have you believe. Imo 8, 10 and 12 are practical choices for > everyday use and it so happens that we use base 10, mainly as a > result of the possession of ten manual appendages. Plus the ISO/metric system is decimal based, which is really the easiest one to understand & manipulate using Arabic numerals. If you were to tell the average person that you had $F (US) and spent $A (US) to see a movie and had $5 US remaining, they'd think you were daft. |
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Eastward Bound wrote:
> "Jimmy G" <jimmyg50@cox.net> wrote in message news:<MLENa.119534$hd6.27616@fed1read05>... > >>I OWN a Maxima. I bought it for the exact reasons that you mentioned. I'l >>GLADLY go into additional debt just to get rid of the thing. >> >>Customer support is DISMAL. Nissan simply doesn't care about its owners. >> >>Our '03 225i handles IMMEASURABLY better. >> >>The New '04 MAxima interior looks as if it were designed by Mattell. CHEAP >>PLASTIC. >> >>You simply can't compare teh actual driving experience of these cars. > > Agreed, Jap cars are just a BIG waste. > > Not just to the owners who end up with inferior products, but to > America that is suffering each and every time someone buys a product > that is non-supporting to the American economy. Poor America, God forbid that their companies should be expected to make better products at competitive prices! |
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sovietjamaicanguy@spamfreezone.yahoo.ca (Ricardo) wrote:
>On Fri, 04 Jul 2003 16:51:44 GMT, Omphalos <omphalos@xmsg.com> >wrote: > >>There is a lot of talk about BMW, VW and American sedans. Has >>anyone ever considered the Nissan Maxima or the Toyota Camry? These >>two sedans fully loaded and optioned down are cheaper, faster, more >>reliable, better handling > >Really? I didn't think Camrys were too up on the handling and >stability side of the equation. They must have changed in recent >times. They aren't that good. The Maxima SE is still pretty soft (I haven't driven the new 3.5, but have driven previous ones), but it is better than most. If you are used to RWD and despise FWD, many of the options available will not feel right because of the drivetrain. >>and more comfortable and practical than your >>typical VW, BMW, > >Hard to beat a Bimmer for space and comfort, when you've been >accustomed to cramped U.S. and Japanese cars all your life. Are you serious? I have a large friend that drives an Impala SS and can ride just fine in my Miata, '87 200SX, and some other "small" Japanese cars. He was looking for a new car and couldn't even fit behind the wheel of a 5-series, let alone drive it. The 3-series is a compact car, smaller than a Mazda Protege or Nissan Sentra (at least for the years the last time I checked, I don't know if it has changed, and if it has they should all still be about the same size). $30k for a 3-series of $15k for a Protege for the same size. The Maxima is larger than the 5-series in every stat I could find and costs more than $20,000 less. It is much larger than the 3-series and still costs less. Marc For email, remove the first "y" of "whineryy" |
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Me wrote: > In article <AgiNa.17418$ic1.317121@twister.tampabay.rr.com> , > Omphalos <omphalos@xmsg.com> wrote: > >> There is a lot of talk about BMW, VW and American sedans. Has >> anyone ever considered the Nissan Maxima or the Toyota Camry? > > Of course. I know quite a few people who own Camry's. One married > couple I know has his and her's Camrys. Gosh... I hope they aren't exchanging fluids! ;^) -- Philip "If a long train of abuses, prevarications, and artifices, all tending the same way, make the design visible to the people . tis not to be wondered that they should then rouse themselves." - John Locke (1632-1704) |
Re: Japanese sedans
tigressnospam@gtf.org wrote:
> Eastward Bound <eastwardbound2003@yahoo.com> wrote: >> Agreed, Jap cars are just a BIG waste. >> >> Not just to the owners who end up with inferior products, but to >> America that is suffering each and every time someone buys a product >> that is non-supporting to the American economy. > > Tell that to the people in American making those cars. > > Tell that to the people who lost their jobs to Mexico or elsewhre that > worked for an American manufacturer. > > Alice Alice, why don't you tell American Government to back away from many of the incredibly intricate and pervasive regulations that drive up the costs of EVERY SINGLE ASPECT of vehicle manufacture? Why don't you have a word with a trade union or two about the incredibly comprehensive compensation packages that their automotive workers get? Why don't you have a word with your Congressmen, the likes of whom continue passing tax measures that ENCOURAGE American automakers thru the tax structure TO move off-shore or to Mexico? Hmmmmm? -- Philip "If a long train of abuses, prevarications, and artifices, all tending the same way, make the design visible to the people . tis not to be wondered that they should then rouse themselves." - John Locke (1632-1704) |
Re: Japanese sedans
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Re: Japanese sedans
"Philip?" <chipstate@earthlink.net> wrote:
> compensation packages that their automotive workers get? Why don't you > have a word with your Congressmen, the likes of whom continue passing > tax measures that ENCOURAGE American automakers thru the tax structure > TO move off-shore or to Mexico? Hmmmmm? Um, my point was more to the guy who claimed that by buying American you were supporing American workers. That is not so true anymore. Alice -- The root cause of problems is simple overpopulation. People just aren't worth very much any more, and they know it. Makes 'em testy. ...Bev |\ _,,,---,,_ Tigress /,`.-'`' -. ;-;;,_ http://havoc.gtf.gatech.edu/tigress |,4- ) )-,_..;\ ( `'-' tigressnospam@gtf.org '---''(_/--' `-'\_) Cat by Felix Lee. |
Re: Japanese sedans
Richard J. Sexton (At work) wrote:
>>If you were to tell the average person that you had $F (US) and spent $A >>(US) to see a movie and had $5 US remaining, they'd think you were daft. > > The great advantage to hex comes when you consider your own age: > when you hit 32, drop into hex. Or when you hit 50, which is x'32'. :) |
Re: Japanese sedans
Philip® wrote:
> The problem with Japanese cars is similar to Japanese food. Park it and > an hour later, you feel like driving it again. You seem to have confused Japanese food with Chinese food. ;) |
Re: Japanese sedans
Liam Devlin wrote:
> Philip® wrote: >> The problem with Japanese cars is similar to Japanese food. Park it >> and an hour later, you feel like driving it again. > > You seem to have confused Japanese food with Chinese food. ;) Sushi goes right thru me like Grant thru Richmond. From my perspective, Asian, Oriental, Japanese ... all the same accelerated digestive time compared to Oklahoma beef. ;^) -- Philip "If a long train of abuses, prevarications, and artifices, all tending the same way, make the design visible to the people . tis not to be wondered that they should then rouse themselves." - John Locke (1632-1704) |
Re: Japanese sedans
Stephen Bigelow wrote:
> "Liam Devlin" <LiamD@XXXX.optonline.net> wrote in message > news:3F091E1B.7090708@XXXX.optonline.net... >> Philip® wrote: >>> The problem with Japanese cars is similar to Japanese food. Park >>> it and an hour later, you feel like driving it again. >> >> You seem to have confused Japanese food with Chinese food. ;) > > No. He's confused Japanese food with Americanized Chinese food. > > The Chinese don't deep fry _everything_. Chinese-American is not all deep fried either when you eat Chinese in the Bay Area. But elsewhere, I agree with your findings. A casual study of authentic Chinese diet reveals they would eat the kitchen sink if it were cookable. -- Philip "If a long train of abuses, prevarications, and artifices, all tending the same way, make the design visible to the people . tis not to be wondered that they should then rouse themselves." - John Locke (1632-1704) |
Re: Japanese sedans
"Dan J.S." <me@hyperx.com> wrote in message news:vgj4qippk8ej70@news.supernews.com... > > The boat is another piece. The damn engine mount broke within the first week > of owning it. It also has a ton of other problems not worth going into. > > These two items show me exactly what the American cars would be like without > competition from the Japs and Euros. The only well made things left by > Americans are firearms and tools. I believe everything else is just on a > slippery slope to hell. > > Dan > OK, enlighten me . . . where can I buy well made American tools? For that matter, I can't recall ever seeing well made American tools. Oh, and I'm not terribly young, either. -Dave |
Re: Japanese sedans
> > OK, enlighten me . . . where can I buy well made American tools? For that > matter, I can't recall ever seeing well made American tools. Oh, and I'm > not terribly young, either. -Dave > > Snap-on tools are made in the US. http://www.snapon.com/faqs/answers.asp?question=23 They are by far the best tool company around. |
Re: Japanese sedans
Dave C. wrote:
> "Dan J.S." <me@hyperx.com> wrote in message > news:vgj4qippk8ej70@news.supernews.com... > >>The boat is another piece. The damn engine mount broke within the first > > week > >>of owning it. It also has a ton of other problems not worth going into. >> >>These two items show me exactly what the American cars would be like > > without > >>competition from the Japs and Euros. The only well made things left by >>Americans are firearms and tools. I believe everything else is just on a >>slippery slope to hell. >> >>Dan > > OK, enlighten me . . . where can I buy well made American tools? Snap-On |
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