Re: length of lower control arms
 

"z" <gzuckier@snail-mail.net> wrote in
news:1168531726.429195.77860@k58g2000hse.googlegro ups.com:


>
> The other way around; I want to avoid Unintended Camber Adjustment by
> Helpful Aftermarket Manufacturers who think I lowered the suspension,



If you're the sort who buys aftermarket in the first place, I think it's a
safe bet you're also the type who wants to flatten his cranium against the
roof by having the suspension bouncily bottom out on gum wrappers and lost
coins.

But you're not that type, so...




> when all I want is to replace the shredded bushings with minimal
> trouble, and if I can get a set of aftermarket control arms with
> bushings installed for < $100, that makes them competitive with
> getting a stock set from a junkyard and having to get bushings
> installed in them in terms of hassle per dollar factor, and both are
> miles above having to take the arms out then haul them somewhere on my
> bike to get new bearings pressed in. or trying to press them in myself
> in the backyard.




I think you may be overestimating the problem. Before starting the job,
phone around to a few places, and ask them if they'd be willing to push out
some small bushings on-the-spot for you when you show up. Should take an
hour total for both arms, going slowly with lots of palaver and jokes. (I
would advise not attempting to do this at 4:00pm on a Saturday. Ask me how
I know...).

With an electric impact wrench, it should take you minutes to sever the
lower control arms from the vehicle. And they're small and light, so easily
transportable by bike.



--
Tegger

The Unofficial Honda/Acura FAQ
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Re: length of lower control arms
 

z wrote:
> jim beam wrote:
>> z wrote:
>>> jim beam wrote:
>>>> Unquestionably Confused wrote:
>>>>> jim beam wrote:
>>>>>> Tegger wrote:
>>>>>>> jim beam <spamvortex@bad.example.net> wrote in news:KI-
>>>>>>> dnY16HM3Qaz_YnZ2dnUVZ_uyknZ2d@speakeasy.net:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> z wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Speaking of lower rear control arms for a 92 civic sedan, does anybody
>>>>>>>>> know which of the aftermarket replacements are stock length, and which
>>>>>>>>> are shorter for camber improvement with lowered suspension?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> you use adjustable upper arms, not lower. readily available. if
>>>>>>>> you want the wheel track wider, use spacers on the hubs.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Which will quickly eat up the wheel bearings.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> how is that?
>>>>> Just a wild guess but I imagine moving the weight to the outside of
>>>>> those bearing is going to play hell with them. The axle/bearing
>>>>> assembly is designed with the weight centered on the bearing surfaces.
>>>>> Move it in or out and you concentrate the weight (not to mention the
>>>>> forces inflicted on the wheel by uneven terrain) on the end of the axle.
>>>>> Bad ju ju!
>>>>>
>>>> ok, but:
>>>> 1. the wheel is already offset from the center line of the bearing anyway.
>>>> 2. normal spacers aren't going to make a lot of difference - unusual to
>>>> go much more than 10mm.
>>>> 3. it's all relative. the op is lowering and presumably "racing".
>>>> bearings take a hit in this situation anyway. literally if the car is
>>>> lowered too much and the car's riding on the bump stops.
>>> Other way around. I'm not lowering the car, therefore want stock length
>>> lower arms, my only goal is to just swap them in on the first warm
>>> afternoon and drive off, without having to run around and get new
>>> bushings stuffed into the old arms while the car is immobilized. I
>>> don't want aftermarket arms sized for lowered suspensions that will
>>> throw the rear camber off. Some sales websites identify some
>>> aftermarket arms as shortened for lowered suspensions, some don't,
>>> nobody identifies any of the aftermarket arms as stock length.
>>>
>> question:
>> if it's stock height, why do you want to adjust the camber? the only
>> reason it can be out is either damage or worn bushings. new bushings
>> cure the latter. a visit to the junk yard cures the former.
>> aftermarket control arms are usually the adjustable types so you set to
>> what you want.
>
> The other way around; I want to avoid Unintended Camber Adjustment by
> Helpful Aftermarket Manufacturers who think I lowered the suspension,
> when all I want is to replace the shredded bushings with minimal
> trouble, and if I can get a set of aftermarket control arms with
> bushings installed for < $100, that makes them competitive with getting
> a stock set from a junkyard and having to get bushings installed in
> them in terms of hassle per dollar factor, and both are miles above
> having to take the arms out then haul them somewhere on my bike to get
> new bearings pressed in. or trying to press them in myself in the
> backyard.
>
so buy new stock control arms then - they have new bushings
pre-installed... or am i missing something?

Re: length of lower control arms
 

z wrote:
> jim beam wrote:
>> z wrote:
>>> jim beam wrote:
>>>> Unquestionably Confused wrote:
>>>>> jim beam wrote:
>>>>>> Tegger wrote:
>>>>>>> jim beam <spamvortex@bad.example.net> wrote in news:KI-
>>>>>>> dnY16HM3Qaz_YnZ2dnUVZ_uyknZ2d@speakeasy.net:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> z wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Speaking of lower rear control arms for a 92 civic sedan, does anybody
>>>>>>>>> know which of the aftermarket replacements are stock length, and which
>>>>>>>>> are shorter for camber improvement with lowered suspension?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> you use adjustable upper arms, not lower. readily available. if
>>>>>>>> you want the wheel track wider, use spacers on the hubs.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Which will quickly eat up the wheel bearings.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> how is that?
>>>>> Just a wild guess but I imagine moving the weight to the outside of
>>>>> those bearing is going to play hell with them. The axle/bearing
>>>>> assembly is designed with the weight centered on the bearing surfaces.
>>>>> Move it in or out and you concentrate the weight (not to mention the
>>>>> forces inflicted on the wheel by uneven terrain) on the end of the axle.
>>>>> Bad ju ju!
>>>>>
>>>> ok, but:
>>>> 1. the wheel is already offset from the center line of the bearing anyway.
>>>> 2. normal spacers aren't going to make a lot of difference - unusual to
>>>> go much more than 10mm.
>>>> 3. it's all relative. the op is lowering and presumably "racing".
>>>> bearings take a hit in this situation anyway. literally if the car is
>>>> lowered too much and the car's riding on the bump stops.
>>> Other way around. I'm not lowering the car, therefore want stock length
>>> lower arms, my only goal is to just swap them in on the first warm
>>> afternoon and drive off, without having to run around and get new
>>> bushings stuffed into the old arms while the car is immobilized. I
>>> don't want aftermarket arms sized for lowered suspensions that will
>>> throw the rear camber off. Some sales websites identify some
>>> aftermarket arms as shortened for lowered suspensions, some don't,
>>> nobody identifies any of the aftermarket arms as stock length.
>>>
>> question:
>> if it's stock height, why do you want to adjust the camber? the only
>> reason it can be out is either damage or worn bushings. new bushings
>> cure the latter. a visit to the junk yard cures the former.
>> aftermarket control arms are usually the adjustable types so you set to
>> what you want.
>
> The other way around; I want to avoid Unintended Camber Adjustment by
> Helpful Aftermarket Manufacturers who think I lowered the suspension,
> when all I want is to replace the shredded bushings with minimal
> trouble, and if I can get a set of aftermarket control arms with
> bushings installed for < $100, that makes them competitive with getting
> a stock set from a junkyard and having to get bushings installed in
> them in terms of hassle per dollar factor, and both are miles above
> having to take the arms out then haul them somewhere on my bike to get
> new bearings pressed in. or trying to press them in myself in the
> backyard.
>
so buy new stock control arms then - they have new bushings
pre-installed... or am i missing something?

Re: length of lower control arms
 

z wrote:
> jim beam wrote:
>> z wrote:
>>> jim beam wrote:
>>>> Unquestionably Confused wrote:
>>>>> jim beam wrote:
>>>>>> Tegger wrote:
>>>>>>> jim beam <spamvortex@bad.example.net> wrote in news:KI-
>>>>>>> dnY16HM3Qaz_YnZ2dnUVZ_uyknZ2d@speakeasy.net:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> z wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Speaking of lower rear control arms for a 92 civic sedan, does anybody
>>>>>>>>> know which of the aftermarket replacements are stock length, and which
>>>>>>>>> are shorter for camber improvement with lowered suspension?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> you use adjustable upper arms, not lower. readily available. if
>>>>>>>> you want the wheel track wider, use spacers on the hubs.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Which will quickly eat up the wheel bearings.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> how is that?
>>>>> Just a wild guess but I imagine moving the weight to the outside of
>>>>> those bearing is going to play hell with them. The axle/bearing
>>>>> assembly is designed with the weight centered on the bearing surfaces.
>>>>> Move it in or out and you concentrate the weight (not to mention the
>>>>> forces inflicted on the wheel by uneven terrain) on the end of the axle.
>>>>> Bad ju ju!
>>>>>
>>>> ok, but:
>>>> 1. the wheel is already offset from the center line of the bearing anyway.
>>>> 2. normal spacers aren't going to make a lot of difference - unusual to
>>>> go much more than 10mm.
>>>> 3. it's all relative. the op is lowering and presumably "racing".
>>>> bearings take a hit in this situation anyway. literally if the car is
>>>> lowered too much and the car's riding on the bump stops.
>>> Other way around. I'm not lowering the car, therefore want stock length
>>> lower arms, my only goal is to just swap them in on the first warm
>>> afternoon and drive off, without having to run around and get new
>>> bushings stuffed into the old arms while the car is immobilized. I
>>> don't want aftermarket arms sized for lowered suspensions that will
>>> throw the rear camber off. Some sales websites identify some
>>> aftermarket arms as shortened for lowered suspensions, some don't,
>>> nobody identifies any of the aftermarket arms as stock length.
>>>
>> question:
>> if it's stock height, why do you want to adjust the camber? the only
>> reason it can be out is either damage or worn bushings. new bushings
>> cure the latter. a visit to the junk yard cures the former.
>> aftermarket control arms are usually the adjustable types so you set to
>> what you want.
>
> The other way around; I want to avoid Unintended Camber Adjustment by
> Helpful Aftermarket Manufacturers who think I lowered the suspension,
> when all I want is to replace the shredded bushings with minimal
> trouble, and if I can get a set of aftermarket control arms with
> bushings installed for < $100, that makes them competitive with getting
> a stock set from a junkyard and having to get bushings installed in
> them in terms of hassle per dollar factor, and both are miles above
> having to take the arms out then haul them somewhere on my bike to get
> new bearings pressed in. or trying to press them in myself in the
> backyard.
>
so buy new stock control arms then - they have new bushings
pre-installed... or am i missing something?

Re: length of lower control arms
 

z wrote:
> jim beam wrote:
>> z wrote:
>>> jim beam wrote:
>>>> Unquestionably Confused wrote:
>>>>> jim beam wrote:
>>>>>> Tegger wrote:
>>>>>>> jim beam <spamvortex@bad.example.net> wrote in news:KI-
>>>>>>> dnY16HM3Qaz_YnZ2dnUVZ_uyknZ2d@speakeasy.net:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> z wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Speaking of lower rear control arms for a 92 civic sedan, does anybody
>>>>>>>>> know which of the aftermarket replacements are stock length, and which
>>>>>>>>> are shorter for camber improvement with lowered suspension?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> you use adjustable upper arms, not lower. readily available. if
>>>>>>>> you want the wheel track wider, use spacers on the hubs.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Which will quickly eat up the wheel bearings.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> how is that?
>>>>> Just a wild guess but I imagine moving the weight to the outside of
>>>>> those bearing is going to play hell with them. The axle/bearing
>>>>> assembly is designed with the weight centered on the bearing surfaces.
>>>>> Move it in or out and you concentrate the weight (not to mention the
>>>>> forces inflicted on the wheel by uneven terrain) on the end of the axle.
>>>>> Bad ju ju!
>>>>>
>>>> ok, but:
>>>> 1. the wheel is already offset from the center line of the bearing anyway.
>>>> 2. normal spacers aren't going to make a lot of difference - unusual to
>>>> go much more than 10mm.
>>>> 3. it's all relative. the op is lowering and presumably "racing".
>>>> bearings take a hit in this situation anyway. literally if the car is
>>>> lowered too much and the car's riding on the bump stops.
>>> Other way around. I'm not lowering the car, therefore want stock length
>>> lower arms, my only goal is to just swap them in on the first warm
>>> afternoon and drive off, without having to run around and get new
>>> bushings stuffed into the old arms while the car is immobilized. I
>>> don't want aftermarket arms sized for lowered suspensions that will
>>> throw the rear camber off. Some sales websites identify some
>>> aftermarket arms as shortened for lowered suspensions, some don't,
>>> nobody identifies any of the aftermarket arms as stock length.
>>>
>> question:
>> if it's stock height, why do you want to adjust the camber? the only
>> reason it can be out is either damage or worn bushings. new bushings
>> cure the latter. a visit to the junk yard cures the former.
>> aftermarket control arms are usually the adjustable types so you set to
>> what you want.
>
> The other way around; I want to avoid Unintended Camber Adjustment by
> Helpful Aftermarket Manufacturers who think I lowered the suspension,
> when all I want is to replace the shredded bushings with minimal
> trouble, and if I can get a set of aftermarket control arms with
> bushings installed for < $100, that makes them competitive with getting
> a stock set from a junkyard and having to get bushings installed in
> them in terms of hassle per dollar factor, and both are miles above
> having to take the arms out then haul them somewhere on my bike to get
> new bearings pressed in. or trying to press them in myself in the
> backyard.
>
so buy new stock control arms then - they have new bushings
pre-installed... or am i missing something?

Re: length of lower control arms
 

"loewent via CarKB.com" <u10197@uwe> wrote in news:6c1a6081c0470@uwe:

> Tegger wrote:
>>
>> I was in Princess Auto today for the first time.
>>
>
>
> Pretty sweet, eh Tegger? Did you find the Ball Joint tool? It was on
> sale last week for $15.



Sweet it is! Never seen anything like it up here. The sign above the doors
says "The Unique World of Princess Auto", which did not seem to be an
exaggeration from where I stood.

I wasn't in there more than ten minutes, but even then the choice was
overwhelming. Never located the balljoint tool in my hurried exploration,
but did find an IR thermometer for $77 (cool!), and the Schley-type bushing
press C-clamp for $20.

Princess is now well out of my way, whereas it once used to be a place I
drove by regularly. It just so happened that the other day I had to be at a
place down the street, so I popped in, figuring it didn't cost me a left-
turn to do it, so why not.

Now I HAVE to go back and explore at leisure.

--
Tegger

The Unofficial Honda/Acura FAQ
www.tegger.com/hondafaq/

Re: length of lower control arms
 

"loewent via CarKB.com" <u10197@uwe> wrote in news:6c1a6081c0470@uwe:

> Tegger wrote:
>>
>> I was in Princess Auto today for the first time.
>>
>
>
> Pretty sweet, eh Tegger? Did you find the Ball Joint tool? It was on
> sale last week for $15.



Sweet it is! Never seen anything like it up here. The sign above the doors
says "The Unique World of Princess Auto", which did not seem to be an
exaggeration from where I stood.

I wasn't in there more than ten minutes, but even then the choice was
overwhelming. Never located the balljoint tool in my hurried exploration,
but did find an IR thermometer for $77 (cool!), and the Schley-type bushing
press C-clamp for $20.

Princess is now well out of my way, whereas it once used to be a place I
drove by regularly. It just so happened that the other day I had to be at a
place down the street, so I popped in, figuring it didn't cost me a left-
turn to do it, so why not.

Now I HAVE to go back and explore at leisure.

--
Tegger

The Unofficial Honda/Acura FAQ
www.tegger.com/hondafaq/

Re: length of lower control arms
 

"loewent via CarKB.com" <u10197@uwe> wrote in news:6c1a6081c0470@uwe:

> Tegger wrote:
>>
>> I was in Princess Auto today for the first time.
>>
>
>
> Pretty sweet, eh Tegger? Did you find the Ball Joint tool? It was on
> sale last week for $15.



Sweet it is! Never seen anything like it up here. The sign above the doors
says "The Unique World of Princess Auto", which did not seem to be an
exaggeration from where I stood.

I wasn't in there more than ten minutes, but even then the choice was
overwhelming. Never located the balljoint tool in my hurried exploration,
but did find an IR thermometer for $77 (cool!), and the Schley-type bushing
press C-clamp for $20.

Princess is now well out of my way, whereas it once used to be a place I
drove by regularly. It just so happened that the other day I had to be at a
place down the street, so I popped in, figuring it didn't cost me a left-
turn to do it, so why not.

Now I HAVE to go back and explore at leisure.

--
Tegger

The Unofficial Honda/Acura FAQ
www.tegger.com/hondafaq/

Re: length of lower control arms
 

"loewent via CarKB.com" <u10197@uwe> wrote in news:6c1a6081c0470@uwe:

> Tegger wrote:
>>
>> I was in Princess Auto today for the first time.
>>
>
>
> Pretty sweet, eh Tegger? Did you find the Ball Joint tool? It was on
> sale last week for $15.



Sweet it is! Never seen anything like it up here. The sign above the doors
says "The Unique World of Princess Auto", which did not seem to be an
exaggeration from where I stood.

I wasn't in there more than ten minutes, but even then the choice was
overwhelming. Never located the balljoint tool in my hurried exploration,
but did find an IR thermometer for $77 (cool!), and the Schley-type bushing
press C-clamp for $20.

Princess is now well out of my way, whereas it once used to be a place I
drove by regularly. It just so happened that the other day I had to be at a
place down the street, so I popped in, figuring it didn't cost me a left-
turn to do it, so why not.

Now I HAVE to go back and explore at leisure.

--
Tegger

The Unofficial Honda/Acura FAQ
www.tegger.com/hondafaq/