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Mushy acceleration
OK, here's my problem, as best I can describe it:
'03 Accord 4 cyl, 84000 miles 5 speed Automatic transmission. When I accelerate, the response is generally somewhat delayed (by a second or two). This is more or less noticeable, depending on my situation. Also, going up a fairly steep incline at 15 mph, I manually put the transmission in 2nd gear; I can then push the accelerator 3/4 of the way to the floor without getting much response at all. Only if I floor it, thus shifting to first, do I get any real response. Otherwise, it's as if it's in too high a gear - bogging. But a.) I'm talking 3/4 of the accelerator travel at 15 mph in 2nd gear, and b.) it used to be much more responsive. Also, my gas mileage is decreasing; at first I wrote this off to the increased (pretty much all the time) use of the A/C, but I'm losing more (3 -5 mpg) than I think I should, or than I have in previous summers. My first thought is a transmission flush, but I'm no expert. Opinions, please? Thanks. RFT!!! Dave Kelsen -- Porque en noches como ésta la tuve entre mis brazos, mi alma no se contenta con haberla perdido. (Because through nights like this one I held her in my arms, my soul is not satisfied that it has lost her.) - Pablo Neruda |
Re: Mushy acceleration
Dave Kelsen wrote:
> OK, here's my problem, as best I can describe it: > > '03 Accord 4 cyl, 84000 miles 5 speed Automatic transmission. > > When I accelerate, the response is generally somewhat delayed (by a > second or two). This is more or less noticeable, depending on my situation. > > Also, going up a fairly steep incline at 15 mph, I manually put the > transmission in 2nd gear; I can then push the accelerator 3/4 of the way > to the floor without getting much response at all. Only if I floor it, > thus shifting to first, do I get any real response. Otherwise, it's as > if it's in too high a gear - bogging. But a.) I'm talking 3/4 of the > accelerator travel at 15 mph in 2nd gear, and b.) it used to be much > more responsive. > > Also, my gas mileage is decreasing; at first I wrote this off to the > increased (pretty much all the time) use of the A/C, but I'm losing more > (3 -5 mpg) than I think I should, or than I have in previous summers. > > My first thought is a transmission flush, but I'm no expert. > > Opinions, please? > > Thanks. > > RFT!!! > Dave Kelsen My first guess is a clogged fuel filter. I had similar symptoms with my '93 Accord earlier this year, and a new fuel filter made it run like new again. |
Re: Mushy acceleration
Dave Kelsen wrote:
> OK, here's my problem, as best I can describe it: > > '03 Accord 4 cyl, 84000 miles 5 speed Automatic transmission. > > When I accelerate, the response is generally somewhat delayed (by a > second or two). This is more or less noticeable, depending on my situation. > > Also, going up a fairly steep incline at 15 mph, I manually put the > transmission in 2nd gear; I can then push the accelerator 3/4 of the way > to the floor without getting much response at all. Only if I floor it, > thus shifting to first, do I get any real response. Otherwise, it's as > if it's in too high a gear - bogging. But a.) I'm talking 3/4 of the > accelerator travel at 15 mph in 2nd gear, and b.) it used to be much > more responsive. > > Also, my gas mileage is decreasing; at first I wrote this off to the > increased (pretty much all the time) use of the A/C, but I'm losing more > (3 -5 mpg) than I think I should, or than I have in previous summers. > > My first thought is a transmission flush, but I'm no expert. > > Opinions, please? > > Thanks. > > RFT!!! > Dave Kelsen My first guess is a clogged fuel filter. I had similar symptoms with my '93 Accord earlier this year, and a new fuel filter made it run like new again. |
Re: Mushy acceleration
Dave Kelsen wrote:
> OK, here's my problem, as best I can describe it: > > '03 Accord 4 cyl, 84000 miles 5 speed Automatic transmission. > > When I accelerate, the response is generally somewhat delayed (by a > second or two). This is more or less noticeable, depending on my situation. > > Also, going up a fairly steep incline at 15 mph, I manually put the > transmission in 2nd gear; I can then push the accelerator 3/4 of the way > to the floor without getting much response at all. Only if I floor it, > thus shifting to first, do I get any real response. Otherwise, it's as > if it's in too high a gear - bogging. But a.) I'm talking 3/4 of the > accelerator travel at 15 mph in 2nd gear, and b.) it used to be much > more responsive. > > Also, my gas mileage is decreasing; at first I wrote this off to the > increased (pretty much all the time) use of the A/C, but I'm losing more > (3 -5 mpg) than I think I should, or than I have in previous summers. > > My first thought is a transmission flush, but I'm no expert. > > Opinions, please? > > Thanks. > > RFT!!! > Dave Kelsen My first guess is a clogged fuel filter. I had similar symptoms with my '93 Accord earlier this year, and a new fuel filter made it run like new again. |
Re: Mushy acceleration
TOP POST Something tells me that you're getting weak spark for some reason. Dave Kelsen wrote: > OK, here's my problem, as best I can describe it: > > '03 Accord 4 cyl, 84000 miles 5 speed Automatic transmission. > > When I accelerate, the response is generally somewhat delayed (by a > second or two). This is more or less noticeable, depending on my situation. > > Also, going up a fairly steep incline at 15 mph, I manually put the > transmission in 2nd gear; I can then push the accelerator 3/4 of the way > to the floor without getting much response at all. Only if I floor it, > thus shifting to first, do I get any real response. Otherwise, it's as > if it's in too high a gear - bogging. But a.) I'm talking 3/4 of the > accelerator travel at 15 mph in 2nd gear, and b.) it used to be much > more responsive. > > Also, my gas mileage is decreasing; at first I wrote this off to the > increased (pretty much all the time) use of the A/C, but I'm losing more > (3 -5 mpg) than I think I should, or than I have in previous summers. > > My first thought is a transmission flush, but I'm no expert. > > Opinions, please? > > Thanks. > > > RFT!!! > Dave Kelsen > -- > Porque en noches como ésta la tuve entre mis brazos, mi alma no se > contenta con haberla perdido. > (Because through nights like this one I held her in my arms, my soul is > not satisfied that it has lost her.) - Pablo Neruda |
Re: Mushy acceleration
TOP POST Something tells me that you're getting weak spark for some reason. Dave Kelsen wrote: > OK, here's my problem, as best I can describe it: > > '03 Accord 4 cyl, 84000 miles 5 speed Automatic transmission. > > When I accelerate, the response is generally somewhat delayed (by a > second or two). This is more or less noticeable, depending on my situation. > > Also, going up a fairly steep incline at 15 mph, I manually put the > transmission in 2nd gear; I can then push the accelerator 3/4 of the way > to the floor without getting much response at all. Only if I floor it, > thus shifting to first, do I get any real response. Otherwise, it's as > if it's in too high a gear - bogging. But a.) I'm talking 3/4 of the > accelerator travel at 15 mph in 2nd gear, and b.) it used to be much > more responsive. > > Also, my gas mileage is decreasing; at first I wrote this off to the > increased (pretty much all the time) use of the A/C, but I'm losing more > (3 -5 mpg) than I think I should, or than I have in previous summers. > > My first thought is a transmission flush, but I'm no expert. > > Opinions, please? > > Thanks. > > > RFT!!! > Dave Kelsen > -- > Porque en noches como ésta la tuve entre mis brazos, mi alma no se > contenta con haberla perdido. > (Because through nights like this one I held her in my arms, my soul is > not satisfied that it has lost her.) - Pablo Neruda |
Re: Mushy acceleration
TOP POST Something tells me that you're getting weak spark for some reason. Dave Kelsen wrote: > OK, here's my problem, as best I can describe it: > > '03 Accord 4 cyl, 84000 miles 5 speed Automatic transmission. > > When I accelerate, the response is generally somewhat delayed (by a > second or two). This is more or less noticeable, depending on my situation. > > Also, going up a fairly steep incline at 15 mph, I manually put the > transmission in 2nd gear; I can then push the accelerator 3/4 of the way > to the floor without getting much response at all. Only if I floor it, > thus shifting to first, do I get any real response. Otherwise, it's as > if it's in too high a gear - bogging. But a.) I'm talking 3/4 of the > accelerator travel at 15 mph in 2nd gear, and b.) it used to be much > more responsive. > > Also, my gas mileage is decreasing; at first I wrote this off to the > increased (pretty much all the time) use of the A/C, but I'm losing more > (3 -5 mpg) than I think I should, or than I have in previous summers. > > My first thought is a transmission flush, but I'm no expert. > > Opinions, please? > > Thanks. > > > RFT!!! > Dave Kelsen > -- > Porque en noches como ésta la tuve entre mis brazos, mi alma no se > contenta con haberla perdido. > (Because through nights like this one I held her in my arms, my soul is > not satisfied that it has lost her.) - Pablo Neruda |
Re: Mushy acceleration
> When I accelerate, the response is generally somewhat delayed (by a
> second or two). This is more or less noticeable, depending on my situation. > > Also, going up a fairly steep incline at 15 mph, I manually put the > transmission in 2nd gear; I can then push the accelerator 3/4 of the way > to the floor without getting much response at all. Only if I floor it, > thus shifting to first, do I get any real response. Otherwise, it's as > if it's in too high a gear - bogging. But a.) I'm talking 3/4 of the > accelerator travel at 15 mph in 2nd gear, and b.) it used to be much > more responsive. > > Also, my gas mileage is decreasing; at first I wrote this off to the > increased (pretty much all the time) use of the A/C, but I'm losing more > (3 -5 mpg) than I think I should, or than I have in previous summers. > > My first thought is a transmission flush, but I'm no expert. Hmm...the gas mileage change is telling. It's probably an engine thing. Possibly plugs/distributor (when was the last time you had a tune up?) or worse. Clogged fuel filter doesn't seem like it would cause mileage trouble. So my bet is induction (air filter etc) or ignition somewhere. |
Re: Mushy acceleration
> When I accelerate, the response is generally somewhat delayed (by a
> second or two). This is more or less noticeable, depending on my situation. > > Also, going up a fairly steep incline at 15 mph, I manually put the > transmission in 2nd gear; I can then push the accelerator 3/4 of the way > to the floor without getting much response at all. Only if I floor it, > thus shifting to first, do I get any real response. Otherwise, it's as > if it's in too high a gear - bogging. But a.) I'm talking 3/4 of the > accelerator travel at 15 mph in 2nd gear, and b.) it used to be much > more responsive. > > Also, my gas mileage is decreasing; at first I wrote this off to the > increased (pretty much all the time) use of the A/C, but I'm losing more > (3 -5 mpg) than I think I should, or than I have in previous summers. > > My first thought is a transmission flush, but I'm no expert. Hmm...the gas mileage change is telling. It's probably an engine thing. Possibly plugs/distributor (when was the last time you had a tune up?) or worse. Clogged fuel filter doesn't seem like it would cause mileage trouble. So my bet is induction (air filter etc) or ignition somewhere. |
Re: Mushy acceleration
> When I accelerate, the response is generally somewhat delayed (by a
> second or two). This is more or less noticeable, depending on my situation. > > Also, going up a fairly steep incline at 15 mph, I manually put the > transmission in 2nd gear; I can then push the accelerator 3/4 of the way > to the floor without getting much response at all. Only if I floor it, > thus shifting to first, do I get any real response. Otherwise, it's as > if it's in too high a gear - bogging. But a.) I'm talking 3/4 of the > accelerator travel at 15 mph in 2nd gear, and b.) it used to be much > more responsive. > > Also, my gas mileage is decreasing; at first I wrote this off to the > increased (pretty much all the time) use of the A/C, but I'm losing more > (3 -5 mpg) than I think I should, or than I have in previous summers. > > My first thought is a transmission flush, but I'm no expert. Hmm...the gas mileage change is telling. It's probably an engine thing. Possibly plugs/distributor (when was the last time you had a tune up?) or worse. Clogged fuel filter doesn't seem like it would cause mileage trouble. So my bet is induction (air filter etc) or ignition somewhere. |
Re: Mushy acceleration
"Pilot41" <some_kind_of_zombie_@hotmail.com> wrote
OP wrote >> When I accelerate, the response is generally somewhat >> delayed (by a >> second or two). This is more or less noticeable, >> depending on my situation. >> >> Also, going up a fairly steep incline at 15 mph, I >> manually put the >> transmission in 2nd gear; I can then push the accelerator >> 3/4 of the way >> to the floor without getting much response at all. Only >> if I floor it, >> thus shifting to first, do I get any real response. >> Otherwise, it's as >> if it's in too high a gear - bogging. But a.) I'm >> talking 3/4 of the >> accelerator travel at 15 mph in 2nd gear, and b.) it used >> to be much >> more responsive. >> >> Also, my gas mileage is decreasing; at first I wrote this >> off to the >> increased (pretty much all the time) use of the A/C, but >> I'm losing more >> (3 -5 mpg) than I think I should, or than I have in >> previous summers. >> >> My first thought is a transmission flush, but I'm no >> expert. > Hmm...the gas mileage change is telling. It's probably an > engine thing. > Possibly plugs/distributor (when was the last time you had > a tune up?) > or worse. Clogged fuel filter doesn't seem like it would > cause mileage > trouble. So my bet is induction (air filter etc) or > ignition somewhere. In this vein, can the OP please state when a tuneup (new plugs, air filter, fuel filter, possibly new ignition wires, new distributor cap and rotor, timing check) was done? Were genuine Honda parts used? |
Re: Mushy acceleration
"Pilot41" <some_kind_of_zombie_@hotmail.com> wrote
OP wrote >> When I accelerate, the response is generally somewhat >> delayed (by a >> second or two). This is more or less noticeable, >> depending on my situation. >> >> Also, going up a fairly steep incline at 15 mph, I >> manually put the >> transmission in 2nd gear; I can then push the accelerator >> 3/4 of the way >> to the floor without getting much response at all. Only >> if I floor it, >> thus shifting to first, do I get any real response. >> Otherwise, it's as >> if it's in too high a gear - bogging. But a.) I'm >> talking 3/4 of the >> accelerator travel at 15 mph in 2nd gear, and b.) it used >> to be much >> more responsive. >> >> Also, my gas mileage is decreasing; at first I wrote this >> off to the >> increased (pretty much all the time) use of the A/C, but >> I'm losing more >> (3 -5 mpg) than I think I should, or than I have in >> previous summers. >> >> My first thought is a transmission flush, but I'm no >> expert. > Hmm...the gas mileage change is telling. It's probably an > engine thing. > Possibly plugs/distributor (when was the last time you had > a tune up?) > or worse. Clogged fuel filter doesn't seem like it would > cause mileage > trouble. So my bet is induction (air filter etc) or > ignition somewhere. In this vein, can the OP please state when a tuneup (new plugs, air filter, fuel filter, possibly new ignition wires, new distributor cap and rotor, timing check) was done? Were genuine Honda parts used? |
Re: Mushy acceleration
"Pilot41" <some_kind_of_zombie_@hotmail.com> wrote
OP wrote >> When I accelerate, the response is generally somewhat >> delayed (by a >> second or two). This is more or less noticeable, >> depending on my situation. >> >> Also, going up a fairly steep incline at 15 mph, I >> manually put the >> transmission in 2nd gear; I can then push the accelerator >> 3/4 of the way >> to the floor without getting much response at all. Only >> if I floor it, >> thus shifting to first, do I get any real response. >> Otherwise, it's as >> if it's in too high a gear - bogging. But a.) I'm >> talking 3/4 of the >> accelerator travel at 15 mph in 2nd gear, and b.) it used >> to be much >> more responsive. >> >> Also, my gas mileage is decreasing; at first I wrote this >> off to the >> increased (pretty much all the time) use of the A/C, but >> I'm losing more >> (3 -5 mpg) than I think I should, or than I have in >> previous summers. >> >> My first thought is a transmission flush, but I'm no >> expert. > Hmm...the gas mileage change is telling. It's probably an > engine thing. > Possibly plugs/distributor (when was the last time you had > a tune up?) > or worse. Clogged fuel filter doesn't seem like it would > cause mileage > trouble. So my bet is induction (air filter etc) or > ignition somewhere. In this vein, can the OP please state when a tuneup (new plugs, air filter, fuel filter, possibly new ignition wires, new distributor cap and rotor, timing check) was done? Were genuine Honda parts used? |
Re: Mushy acceleration
Elle wrote:
> "Pilot41" <some_kind_of_zombie_@hotmail.com> wrote > OP wrote > >>>When I accelerate, the response is generally somewhat >>>delayed (by a >>>second or two). This is more or less noticeable, >>>depending on my situation. >>> Throttle body need a good cleaning? bob |
Re: Mushy acceleration
Elle wrote:
> "Pilot41" <some_kind_of_zombie_@hotmail.com> wrote > OP wrote > >>>When I accelerate, the response is generally somewhat >>>delayed (by a >>>second or two). This is more or less noticeable, >>>depending on my situation. >>> Throttle body need a good cleaning? bob |
Re: Mushy acceleration
Elle wrote:
> "Pilot41" <some_kind_of_zombie_@hotmail.com> wrote > OP wrote > >>>When I accelerate, the response is generally somewhat >>>delayed (by a >>>second or two). This is more or less noticeable, >>>depending on my situation. >>> Throttle body need a good cleaning? bob |
Re: Mushy acceleration
On 6/21/2006 11:58 PM Elle spake these words of knowledge:
> "Pilot41" <some_kind_of_zombie_@hotmail.com> wrote > OP wrote >>> When I accelerate, the response is generally somewhat >>> delayed (by a >>> second or two). This is more or less noticeable, >>> depending on my situation. >>> >>> Also, going up a fairly steep incline at 15 mph, I >>> manually put the >>> transmission in 2nd gear; I can then push the accelerator >>> 3/4 of the way >>> to the floor without getting much response at all. Only >>> if I floor it, >>> thus shifting to first, do I get any real response. >>> Otherwise, it's as >>> if it's in too high a gear - bogging. But a.) I'm >>> talking 3/4 of the >>> accelerator travel at 15 mph in 2nd gear, and b.) it used >>> to be much >>> more responsive. >>> >>> Also, my gas mileage is decreasing; at first I wrote this >>> off to the >>> increased (pretty much all the time) use of the A/C, but >>> I'm losing more >>> (3 -5 mpg) than I think I should, or than I have in >>> previous summers. >>> >>> My first thought is a transmission flush, but I'm no >>> expert. >> Hmm...the gas mileage change is telling. It's probably an >> engine thing. >> Possibly plugs/distributor (when was the last time you had >> a tune up?) >> or worse. Clogged fuel filter doesn't seem like it would >> cause mileage >> trouble. So my bet is induction (air filter etc) or >> ignition somewhere. > > In this vein, can the OP please state when a tuneup (new > plugs, air filter, fuel filter, possibly new ignition wires, > new distributor cap and rotor, timing check) was done? > > Were genuine Honda parts used? Hmmm. The dust/pollen filter and the air cleaner element were changed in accordance with the maintenance schedule - at 30K and 60K miles. It's about 6K miles from scheduled replacement for both these items. Genuine Honda parts are used in replacing these filters. Plugs are scheduled to be changed at 110K miles, and have not been done previously. Fuel filter is not on maintenance schedule, and since it has not given me trouble heretofore, it has not been replaced. Likewise the plugwires. My Helm manual starts the section about fuel filter replacement with, "Remove the fuel pump". Damn. As far as I know, this engine does not use a distributor, and so has no cap or rotor. Ah. I see that the first line of my original post got cut off somehow: '03 Accord 4 cyl, 84000 miles 5 speed Automatic transmission. Thanks for your suggestions. I sure hope it's not a fuel filter. Manual says to check the fuel pressure after making sure the fuel pump and fuel pressure regulator are OK. That means a trip to the dealer, and I never seem to get kissed when I'm getting... well, you know. In the old days, I'd have replaced a few things and seen what the results were, but these days that's potentially very expensive. Cleaning the throttle bodies sounds promising! RFT!!! Dave Kelsen -- I like my women like I like my tractors. I can't get any more specific than that. Please don't ask me to explain. |
Re: Mushy acceleration
On 6/21/2006 11:58 PM Elle spake these words of knowledge:
> "Pilot41" <some_kind_of_zombie_@hotmail.com> wrote > OP wrote >>> When I accelerate, the response is generally somewhat >>> delayed (by a >>> second or two). This is more or less noticeable, >>> depending on my situation. >>> >>> Also, going up a fairly steep incline at 15 mph, I >>> manually put the >>> transmission in 2nd gear; I can then push the accelerator >>> 3/4 of the way >>> to the floor without getting much response at all. Only >>> if I floor it, >>> thus shifting to first, do I get any real response. >>> Otherwise, it's as >>> if it's in too high a gear - bogging. But a.) I'm >>> talking 3/4 of the >>> accelerator travel at 15 mph in 2nd gear, and b.) it used >>> to be much >>> more responsive. >>> >>> Also, my gas mileage is decreasing; at first I wrote this >>> off to the >>> increased (pretty much all the time) use of the A/C, but >>> I'm losing more >>> (3 -5 mpg) than I think I should, or than I have in >>> previous summers. >>> >>> My first thought is a transmission flush, but I'm no >>> expert. >> Hmm...the gas mileage change is telling. It's probably an >> engine thing. >> Possibly plugs/distributor (when was the last time you had >> a tune up?) >> or worse. Clogged fuel filter doesn't seem like it would >> cause mileage >> trouble. So my bet is induction (air filter etc) or >> ignition somewhere. > > In this vein, can the OP please state when a tuneup (new > plugs, air filter, fuel filter, possibly new ignition wires, > new distributor cap and rotor, timing check) was done? > > Were genuine Honda parts used? Hmmm. The dust/pollen filter and the air cleaner element were changed in accordance with the maintenance schedule - at 30K and 60K miles. It's about 6K miles from scheduled replacement for both these items. Genuine Honda parts are used in replacing these filters. Plugs are scheduled to be changed at 110K miles, and have not been done previously. Fuel filter is not on maintenance schedule, and since it has not given me trouble heretofore, it has not been replaced. Likewise the plugwires. My Helm manual starts the section about fuel filter replacement with, "Remove the fuel pump". Damn. As far as I know, this engine does not use a distributor, and so has no cap or rotor. Ah. I see that the first line of my original post got cut off somehow: '03 Accord 4 cyl, 84000 miles 5 speed Automatic transmission. Thanks for your suggestions. I sure hope it's not a fuel filter. Manual says to check the fuel pressure after making sure the fuel pump and fuel pressure regulator are OK. That means a trip to the dealer, and I never seem to get kissed when I'm getting... well, you know. In the old days, I'd have replaced a few things and seen what the results were, but these days that's potentially very expensive. Cleaning the throttle bodies sounds promising! RFT!!! Dave Kelsen -- I like my women like I like my tractors. I can't get any more specific than that. Please don't ask me to explain. |
Re: Mushy acceleration
On 6/21/2006 11:58 PM Elle spake these words of knowledge:
> "Pilot41" <some_kind_of_zombie_@hotmail.com> wrote > OP wrote >>> When I accelerate, the response is generally somewhat >>> delayed (by a >>> second or two). This is more or less noticeable, >>> depending on my situation. >>> >>> Also, going up a fairly steep incline at 15 mph, I >>> manually put the >>> transmission in 2nd gear; I can then push the accelerator >>> 3/4 of the way >>> to the floor without getting much response at all. Only >>> if I floor it, >>> thus shifting to first, do I get any real response. >>> Otherwise, it's as >>> if it's in too high a gear - bogging. But a.) I'm >>> talking 3/4 of the >>> accelerator travel at 15 mph in 2nd gear, and b.) it used >>> to be much >>> more responsive. >>> >>> Also, my gas mileage is decreasing; at first I wrote this >>> off to the >>> increased (pretty much all the time) use of the A/C, but >>> I'm losing more >>> (3 -5 mpg) than I think I should, or than I have in >>> previous summers. >>> >>> My first thought is a transmission flush, but I'm no >>> expert. >> Hmm...the gas mileage change is telling. It's probably an >> engine thing. >> Possibly plugs/distributor (when was the last time you had >> a tune up?) >> or worse. Clogged fuel filter doesn't seem like it would >> cause mileage >> trouble. So my bet is induction (air filter etc) or >> ignition somewhere. > > In this vein, can the OP please state when a tuneup (new > plugs, air filter, fuel filter, possibly new ignition wires, > new distributor cap and rotor, timing check) was done? > > Were genuine Honda parts used? Hmmm. The dust/pollen filter and the air cleaner element were changed in accordance with the maintenance schedule - at 30K and 60K miles. It's about 6K miles from scheduled replacement for both these items. Genuine Honda parts are used in replacing these filters. Plugs are scheduled to be changed at 110K miles, and have not been done previously. Fuel filter is not on maintenance schedule, and since it has not given me trouble heretofore, it has not been replaced. Likewise the plugwires. My Helm manual starts the section about fuel filter replacement with, "Remove the fuel pump". Damn. As far as I know, this engine does not use a distributor, and so has no cap or rotor. Ah. I see that the first line of my original post got cut off somehow: '03 Accord 4 cyl, 84000 miles 5 speed Automatic transmission. Thanks for your suggestions. I sure hope it's not a fuel filter. Manual says to check the fuel pressure after making sure the fuel pump and fuel pressure regulator are OK. That means a trip to the dealer, and I never seem to get kissed when I'm getting... well, you know. In the old days, I'd have replaced a few things and seen what the results were, but these days that's potentially very expensive. Cleaning the throttle bodies sounds promising! RFT!!! Dave Kelsen -- I like my women like I like my tractors. I can't get any more specific than that. Please don't ask me to explain. |
Re: Mushy acceleration
"Dave Kelsen" <invalid@invalid.invalid> wrote
> On 6/21/2006 11:58 PM Elle spake these words of knowledge: > >> "Pilot41" <some_kind_of_zombie_@hotmail.com> wrote >> OP wrote >>>> When I accelerate, the response is generally somewhat >>>> delayed (by a >>>> second or two). This is more or less noticeable, >>>> depending on my situation. >>>> >>>> Also, going up a fairly steep incline at 15 mph, I >>>> manually put the >>>> transmission in 2nd gear; I can then push the >>>> accelerator 3/4 of the way >>>> to the floor without getting much response at all. >>>> Only if I floor it, >>>> thus shifting to first, do I get any real response. >>>> Otherwise, it's as >>>> if it's in too high a gear - bogging. But a.) I'm >>>> talking 3/4 of the >>>> accelerator travel at 15 mph in 2nd gear, and b.) it >>>> used to be much >>>> more responsive. >>>> >>>> Also, my gas mileage is decreasing; at first I wrote >>>> this off to the >>>> increased (pretty much all the time) use of the A/C, >>>> but I'm losing more >>>> (3 -5 mpg) than I think I should, or than I have in >>>> previous summers. >>>> >>>> My first thought is a transmission flush, but I'm no >>>> expert. >>> Hmm...the gas mileage change is telling. It's probably >>> an engine thing. >>> Possibly plugs/distributor (when was the last time you >>> had a tune up?) >>> or worse. Clogged fuel filter doesn't seem like it would >>> cause mileage >>> trouble. So my bet is induction (air filter etc) or >>> ignition somewhere. >> >> In this vein, can the OP please state when a tuneup (new >> plugs, air filter, fuel filter, possibly new ignition >> wires, new distributor cap and rotor, timing check) was >> done? >> >> Were genuine Honda parts used? > > Hmmm. The dust/pollen filter and the air cleaner element > were changed in accordance with the maintenance schedule - > at 30K and 60K miles. It's about 6K miles from scheduled > replacement for both these items. Genuine Honda parts are > used in replacing these filters. Plugs are scheduled to > be changed at 110K miles, and have not been done > previously. Fuel filter is not on maintenance schedule, > and since it has not given me trouble heretofore, it has > not been replaced. Likewise the plugwires. > > My Helm manual starts the section about fuel filter > replacement with, "Remove the fuel pump". Damn. > > As far as I know, this engine does not use a distributor, > and so has no cap or rotor. > > Ah. I see that the first line of my original post got cut > off somehow: > > '03 Accord 4 cyl, 84000 miles 5 speed Automatic > transmission. > > Thanks for your suggestions. I sure hope it's not a fuel > filter. Manual says to check the fuel pressure after > making sure the fuel pump and fuel pressure regulator are > OK. I agree the car is too young in miles and years to make the plugs, wires, or fuel filter suspect. You eliminate the air filter above. > That means a trip to the dealer, and I never seem to get > kissed when I'm getting... well, you know. In the old > days, I'd have replaced a few things and seen what the > results were, but these days that's potentially very > expensive. > > Cleaning the throttle bodies sounds promising! I'd check the PCV valve, too, then run some PB Blaster or carburetor/PCV cleaner through it. It's due for inspection (or replacement, considering how cheap it is) about every 60k miles. Car's also too young to have a failing oxygen sensor, plus I think you'd get a check engine light for this. Otherwise, unless you have some odd defect in any of the above, this may be one for the transmission gurus, of which I most certainly am not... Updates welcome, to help others in the future. |
Re: Mushy acceleration
"Dave Kelsen" <invalid@invalid.invalid> wrote
> On 6/21/2006 11:58 PM Elle spake these words of knowledge: > >> "Pilot41" <some_kind_of_zombie_@hotmail.com> wrote >> OP wrote >>>> When I accelerate, the response is generally somewhat >>>> delayed (by a >>>> second or two). This is more or less noticeable, >>>> depending on my situation. >>>> >>>> Also, going up a fairly steep incline at 15 mph, I >>>> manually put the >>>> transmission in 2nd gear; I can then push the >>>> accelerator 3/4 of the way >>>> to the floor without getting much response at all. >>>> Only if I floor it, >>>> thus shifting to first, do I get any real response. >>>> Otherwise, it's as >>>> if it's in too high a gear - bogging. But a.) I'm >>>> talking 3/4 of the >>>> accelerator travel at 15 mph in 2nd gear, and b.) it >>>> used to be much >>>> more responsive. >>>> >>>> Also, my gas mileage is decreasing; at first I wrote >>>> this off to the >>>> increased (pretty much all the time) use of the A/C, >>>> but I'm losing more >>>> (3 -5 mpg) than I think I should, or than I have in >>>> previous summers. >>>> >>>> My first thought is a transmission flush, but I'm no >>>> expert. >>> Hmm...the gas mileage change is telling. It's probably >>> an engine thing. >>> Possibly plugs/distributor (when was the last time you >>> had a tune up?) >>> or worse. Clogged fuel filter doesn't seem like it would >>> cause mileage >>> trouble. So my bet is induction (air filter etc) or >>> ignition somewhere. >> >> In this vein, can the OP please state when a tuneup (new >> plugs, air filter, fuel filter, possibly new ignition >> wires, new distributor cap and rotor, timing check) was >> done? >> >> Were genuine Honda parts used? > > Hmmm. The dust/pollen filter and the air cleaner element > were changed in accordance with the maintenance schedule - > at 30K and 60K miles. It's about 6K miles from scheduled > replacement for both these items. Genuine Honda parts are > used in replacing these filters. Plugs are scheduled to > be changed at 110K miles, and have not been done > previously. Fuel filter is not on maintenance schedule, > and since it has not given me trouble heretofore, it has > not been replaced. Likewise the plugwires. > > My Helm manual starts the section about fuel filter > replacement with, "Remove the fuel pump". Damn. > > As far as I know, this engine does not use a distributor, > and so has no cap or rotor. > > Ah. I see that the first line of my original post got cut > off somehow: > > '03 Accord 4 cyl, 84000 miles 5 speed Automatic > transmission. > > Thanks for your suggestions. I sure hope it's not a fuel > filter. Manual says to check the fuel pressure after > making sure the fuel pump and fuel pressure regulator are > OK. I agree the car is too young in miles and years to make the plugs, wires, or fuel filter suspect. You eliminate the air filter above. > That means a trip to the dealer, and I never seem to get > kissed when I'm getting... well, you know. In the old > days, I'd have replaced a few things and seen what the > results were, but these days that's potentially very > expensive. > > Cleaning the throttle bodies sounds promising! I'd check the PCV valve, too, then run some PB Blaster or carburetor/PCV cleaner through it. It's due for inspection (or replacement, considering how cheap it is) about every 60k miles. Car's also too young to have a failing oxygen sensor, plus I think you'd get a check engine light for this. Otherwise, unless you have some odd defect in any of the above, this may be one for the transmission gurus, of which I most certainly am not... Updates welcome, to help others in the future. |
Re: Mushy acceleration
"Dave Kelsen" <invalid@invalid.invalid> wrote
> On 6/21/2006 11:58 PM Elle spake these words of knowledge: > >> "Pilot41" <some_kind_of_zombie_@hotmail.com> wrote >> OP wrote >>>> When I accelerate, the response is generally somewhat >>>> delayed (by a >>>> second or two). This is more or less noticeable, >>>> depending on my situation. >>>> >>>> Also, going up a fairly steep incline at 15 mph, I >>>> manually put the >>>> transmission in 2nd gear; I can then push the >>>> accelerator 3/4 of the way >>>> to the floor without getting much response at all. >>>> Only if I floor it, >>>> thus shifting to first, do I get any real response. >>>> Otherwise, it's as >>>> if it's in too high a gear - bogging. But a.) I'm >>>> talking 3/4 of the >>>> accelerator travel at 15 mph in 2nd gear, and b.) it >>>> used to be much >>>> more responsive. >>>> >>>> Also, my gas mileage is decreasing; at first I wrote >>>> this off to the >>>> increased (pretty much all the time) use of the A/C, >>>> but I'm losing more >>>> (3 -5 mpg) than I think I should, or than I have in >>>> previous summers. >>>> >>>> My first thought is a transmission flush, but I'm no >>>> expert. >>> Hmm...the gas mileage change is telling. It's probably >>> an engine thing. >>> Possibly plugs/distributor (when was the last time you >>> had a tune up?) >>> or worse. Clogged fuel filter doesn't seem like it would >>> cause mileage >>> trouble. So my bet is induction (air filter etc) or >>> ignition somewhere. >> >> In this vein, can the OP please state when a tuneup (new >> plugs, air filter, fuel filter, possibly new ignition >> wires, new distributor cap and rotor, timing check) was >> done? >> >> Were genuine Honda parts used? > > Hmmm. The dust/pollen filter and the air cleaner element > were changed in accordance with the maintenance schedule - > at 30K and 60K miles. It's about 6K miles from scheduled > replacement for both these items. Genuine Honda parts are > used in replacing these filters. Plugs are scheduled to > be changed at 110K miles, and have not been done > previously. Fuel filter is not on maintenance schedule, > and since it has not given me trouble heretofore, it has > not been replaced. Likewise the plugwires. > > My Helm manual starts the section about fuel filter > replacement with, "Remove the fuel pump". Damn. > > As far as I know, this engine does not use a distributor, > and so has no cap or rotor. > > Ah. I see that the first line of my original post got cut > off somehow: > > '03 Accord 4 cyl, 84000 miles 5 speed Automatic > transmission. > > Thanks for your suggestions. I sure hope it's not a fuel > filter. Manual says to check the fuel pressure after > making sure the fuel pump and fuel pressure regulator are > OK. I agree the car is too young in miles and years to make the plugs, wires, or fuel filter suspect. You eliminate the air filter above. > That means a trip to the dealer, and I never seem to get > kissed when I'm getting... well, you know. In the old > days, I'd have replaced a few things and seen what the > results were, but these days that's potentially very > expensive. > > Cleaning the throttle bodies sounds promising! I'd check the PCV valve, too, then run some PB Blaster or carburetor/PCV cleaner through it. It's due for inspection (or replacement, considering how cheap it is) about every 60k miles. Car's also too young to have a failing oxygen sensor, plus I think you'd get a check engine light for this. Otherwise, unless you have some odd defect in any of the above, this may be one for the transmission gurus, of which I most certainly am not... Updates welcome, to help others in the future. |
Re: Mushy acceleration
Dave Kelsen wrote: > On 6/21/2006 11:58 PM Elle spake these words of knowledge: > > > "Pilot41" <some_kind_of_zombie_@hotmail.com> wrote > > OP wrote > >>> When I accelerate, the response is generally somewhat > >>> delayed (by a > >>> second or two). This is more or less noticeable, > >>> depending on my situation. > >>> > >>> Also, going up a fairly steep incline at 15 mph, I > >>> manually put the > >>> transmission in 2nd gear; I can then push the accelerator > >>> 3/4 of the way > >>> to the floor without getting much response at all. Only > >>> if I floor it, > >>> thus shifting to first, do I get any real response. > >>> Otherwise, it's as > >>> if it's in too high a gear - bogging. But a.) I'm > >>> talking 3/4 of the > >>> accelerator travel at 15 mph in 2nd gear, and b.) it used > >>> to be much > >>> more responsive. > >>> > >>> Also, my gas mileage is decreasing; at first I wrote this > >>> off to the > >>> increased (pretty much all the time) use of the A/C, but > >>> I'm losing more > >>> (3 -5 mpg) than I think I should, or than I have in > >>> previous summers. > >>> > >>> My first thought is a transmission flush, but I'm no > >>> expert. > >> Hmm...the gas mileage change is telling. It's probably an > >> engine thing. > >> Possibly plugs/distributor (when was the last time you had > >> a tune up?) > >> or worse. Clogged fuel filter doesn't seem like it would > >> cause mileage > >> trouble. So my bet is induction (air filter etc) or > >> ignition somewhere. > > > > In this vein, can the OP please state when a tuneup (new > > plugs, air filter, fuel filter, possibly new ignition wires, > > new distributor cap and rotor, timing check) was done? > > > > Were genuine Honda parts used? > > Hmmm. The dust/pollen filter and the air cleaner element were changed > in accordance with the maintenance schedule - at 30K and 60K miles. > It's about 6K miles from scheduled replacement for both these items. > Genuine Honda parts are used in replacing these filters. Plugs are > scheduled to be changed at 110K miles, and have not been done > previously. Fuel filter is not on maintenance schedule, and since it > has not given me trouble heretofore, it has not been replaced. Likewise > the plugwires. > > My Helm manual starts the section about fuel filter replacement with, > "Remove the fuel pump". Damn. > > As far as I know, this engine does not use a distributor, and so has no > cap or rotor. > > Ah. I see that the first line of my original post got cut off somehow: > > '03 Accord 4 cyl, 84000 miles 5 speed Automatic transmission. > > Thanks for your suggestions. I sure hope it's not a fuel filter. > Manual says to check the fuel pressure after making sure the fuel pump > and fuel pressure regulator are OK. That means a trip to the dealer, > and I never seem to get kissed when I'm getting... well, you know. In > the old days, I'd have replaced a few things and seen what the results > were, but these days that's potentially very expensive. > > Cleaning the throttle bodies sounds promising! > > > RFT!!! > Dave Kelsen > -- > I like my women like I like my tractors. I can't get any more specific > than that. Please don't ask me to explain. Wait, am I reading your message clearly....84K miles and hasn't had plugs done yet? If I'm reading correctly, that's pretty high...especially considering my Haynes recommends new plugs every 15K miles. I would at least pull them and check them...something that doesn't really take much skill or specialized equipment. Even if the problem isn't with the plugs themselves, they will at least give you some indication as to what's going on in the engine. You should be able to find a guide online or in your manual as to what issues will cause the plugs to look a certain way. If I'm misreading your message and the plugs have been changed recently...I don't know, good luck! |
Re: Mushy acceleration
Dave Kelsen wrote: > On 6/21/2006 11:58 PM Elle spake these words of knowledge: > > > "Pilot41" <some_kind_of_zombie_@hotmail.com> wrote > > OP wrote > >>> When I accelerate, the response is generally somewhat > >>> delayed (by a > >>> second or two). This is more or less noticeable, > >>> depending on my situation. > >>> > >>> Also, going up a fairly steep incline at 15 mph, I > >>> manually put the > >>> transmission in 2nd gear; I can then push the accelerator > >>> 3/4 of the way > >>> to the floor without getting much response at all. Only > >>> if I floor it, > >>> thus shifting to first, do I get any real response. > >>> Otherwise, it's as > >>> if it's in too high a gear - bogging. But a.) I'm > >>> talking 3/4 of the > >>> accelerator travel at 15 mph in 2nd gear, and b.) it used > >>> to be much > >>> more responsive. > >>> > >>> Also, my gas mileage is decreasing; at first I wrote this > >>> off to the > >>> increased (pretty much all the time) use of the A/C, but > >>> I'm losing more > >>> (3 -5 mpg) than I think I should, or than I have in > >>> previous summers. > >>> > >>> My first thought is a transmission flush, but I'm no > >>> expert. > >> Hmm...the gas mileage change is telling. It's probably an > >> engine thing. > >> Possibly plugs/distributor (when was the last time you had > >> a tune up?) > >> or worse. Clogged fuel filter doesn't seem like it would > >> cause mileage > >> trouble. So my bet is induction (air filter etc) or > >> ignition somewhere. > > > > In this vein, can the OP please state when a tuneup (new > > plugs, air filter, fuel filter, possibly new ignition wires, > > new distributor cap and rotor, timing check) was done? > > > > Were genuine Honda parts used? > > Hmmm. The dust/pollen filter and the air cleaner element were changed > in accordance with the maintenance schedule - at 30K and 60K miles. > It's about 6K miles from scheduled replacement for both these items. > Genuine Honda parts are used in replacing these filters. Plugs are > scheduled to be changed at 110K miles, and have not been done > previously. Fuel filter is not on maintenance schedule, and since it > has not given me trouble heretofore, it has not been replaced. Likewise > the plugwires. > > My Helm manual starts the section about fuel filter replacement with, > "Remove the fuel pump". Damn. > > As far as I know, this engine does not use a distributor, and so has no > cap or rotor. > > Ah. I see that the first line of my original post got cut off somehow: > > '03 Accord 4 cyl, 84000 miles 5 speed Automatic transmission. > > Thanks for your suggestions. I sure hope it's not a fuel filter. > Manual says to check the fuel pressure after making sure the fuel pump > and fuel pressure regulator are OK. That means a trip to the dealer, > and I never seem to get kissed when I'm getting... well, you know. In > the old days, I'd have replaced a few things and seen what the results > were, but these days that's potentially very expensive. > > Cleaning the throttle bodies sounds promising! > > > RFT!!! > Dave Kelsen > -- > I like my women like I like my tractors. I can't get any more specific > than that. Please don't ask me to explain. Wait, am I reading your message clearly....84K miles and hasn't had plugs done yet? If I'm reading correctly, that's pretty high...especially considering my Haynes recommends new plugs every 15K miles. I would at least pull them and check them...something that doesn't really take much skill or specialized equipment. Even if the problem isn't with the plugs themselves, they will at least give you some indication as to what's going on in the engine. You should be able to find a guide online or in your manual as to what issues will cause the plugs to look a certain way. If I'm misreading your message and the plugs have been changed recently...I don't know, good luck! |
Re: Mushy acceleration
Dave Kelsen wrote: > On 6/21/2006 11:58 PM Elle spake these words of knowledge: > > > "Pilot41" <some_kind_of_zombie_@hotmail.com> wrote > > OP wrote > >>> When I accelerate, the response is generally somewhat > >>> delayed (by a > >>> second or two). This is more or less noticeable, > >>> depending on my situation. > >>> > >>> Also, going up a fairly steep incline at 15 mph, I > >>> manually put the > >>> transmission in 2nd gear; I can then push the accelerator > >>> 3/4 of the way > >>> to the floor without getting much response at all. Only > >>> if I floor it, > >>> thus shifting to first, do I get any real response. > >>> Otherwise, it's as > >>> if it's in too high a gear - bogging. But a.) I'm > >>> talking 3/4 of the > >>> accelerator travel at 15 mph in 2nd gear, and b.) it used > >>> to be much > >>> more responsive. > >>> > >>> Also, my gas mileage is decreasing; at first I wrote this > >>> off to the > >>> increased (pretty much all the time) use of the A/C, but > >>> I'm losing more > >>> (3 -5 mpg) than I think I should, or than I have in > >>> previous summers. > >>> > >>> My first thought is a transmission flush, but I'm no > >>> expert. > >> Hmm...the gas mileage change is telling. It's probably an > >> engine thing. > >> Possibly plugs/distributor (when was the last time you had > >> a tune up?) > >> or worse. Clogged fuel filter doesn't seem like it would > >> cause mileage > >> trouble. So my bet is induction (air filter etc) or > >> ignition somewhere. > > > > In this vein, can the OP please state when a tuneup (new > > plugs, air filter, fuel filter, possibly new ignition wires, > > new distributor cap and rotor, timing check) was done? > > > > Were genuine Honda parts used? > > Hmmm. The dust/pollen filter and the air cleaner element were changed > in accordance with the maintenance schedule - at 30K and 60K miles. > It's about 6K miles from scheduled replacement for both these items. > Genuine Honda parts are used in replacing these filters. Plugs are > scheduled to be changed at 110K miles, and have not been done > previously. Fuel filter is not on maintenance schedule, and since it > has not given me trouble heretofore, it has not been replaced. Likewise > the plugwires. > > My Helm manual starts the section about fuel filter replacement with, > "Remove the fuel pump". Damn. > > As far as I know, this engine does not use a distributor, and so has no > cap or rotor. > > Ah. I see that the first line of my original post got cut off somehow: > > '03 Accord 4 cyl, 84000 miles 5 speed Automatic transmission. > > Thanks for your suggestions. I sure hope it's not a fuel filter. > Manual says to check the fuel pressure after making sure the fuel pump > and fuel pressure regulator are OK. That means a trip to the dealer, > and I never seem to get kissed when I'm getting... well, you know. In > the old days, I'd have replaced a few things and seen what the results > were, but these days that's potentially very expensive. > > Cleaning the throttle bodies sounds promising! > > > RFT!!! > Dave Kelsen > -- > I like my women like I like my tractors. I can't get any more specific > than that. Please don't ask me to explain. Wait, am I reading your message clearly....84K miles and hasn't had plugs done yet? If I'm reading correctly, that's pretty high...especially considering my Haynes recommends new plugs every 15K miles. I would at least pull them and check them...something that doesn't really take much skill or specialized equipment. Even if the problem isn't with the plugs themselves, they will at least give you some indication as to what's going on in the engine. You should be able to find a guide online or in your manual as to what issues will cause the plugs to look a certain way. If I'm misreading your message and the plugs have been changed recently...I don't know, good luck! |
Re: Mushy acceleration
"Pilot41" <some_kind_of_zombie_@hotmail.com> wrote
> Dave Kelsen wrote: >> '03 Accord 4 cyl, 84000 miles 5 speed Automatic >> transmission. > Wait, am I reading your message clearly....84K miles and > hasn't had > plugs done yet? Going from rough memory, I thought plugs on newer cars do in fact last longer (or maybe plug technology itself is just better; or the distributor-less system means less wear on the plugs; etc.). So I didn't blink when the OP said his weren't due until 110k miles. The online Canadian maintenance calculator does indeed say that a 2003 Accord 4-cylinder's plugs are not to be replaced until 7.3 years or about 110k miles have passed. It also says to inspect the plugs at about 60k miles and replace if necessary. http://www.honda.ca/HondaCA2006/Your...efault.htm?L=E (I used Canada's site because it's easier to pull up than American Honda's irritating "Owner's Link" site, and I doubt the spec for the plugs differs much for American driving.) Probably a good idea for the OP to at least pull the plugs and inspect them. Maybe they are fouled. That would certainly at least partly explain bad running and mileage. > If I'm reading correctly, that's pretty > high...especially considering my Haynes recommends new > plugs every 15K > miles. What are you driving? My 91 Civic's manual says to replace the plugs every 30k miles or 2 years, whichever comes first. |
Re: Mushy acceleration
"Pilot41" <some_kind_of_zombie_@hotmail.com> wrote
> Dave Kelsen wrote: >> '03 Accord 4 cyl, 84000 miles 5 speed Automatic >> transmission. > Wait, am I reading your message clearly....84K miles and > hasn't had > plugs done yet? Going from rough memory, I thought plugs on newer cars do in fact last longer (or maybe plug technology itself is just better; or the distributor-less system means less wear on the plugs; etc.). So I didn't blink when the OP said his weren't due until 110k miles. The online Canadian maintenance calculator does indeed say that a 2003 Accord 4-cylinder's plugs are not to be replaced until 7.3 years or about 110k miles have passed. It also says to inspect the plugs at about 60k miles and replace if necessary. http://www.honda.ca/HondaCA2006/Your...efault.htm?L=E (I used Canada's site because it's easier to pull up than American Honda's irritating "Owner's Link" site, and I doubt the spec for the plugs differs much for American driving.) Probably a good idea for the OP to at least pull the plugs and inspect them. Maybe they are fouled. That would certainly at least partly explain bad running and mileage. > If I'm reading correctly, that's pretty > high...especially considering my Haynes recommends new > plugs every 15K > miles. What are you driving? My 91 Civic's manual says to replace the plugs every 30k miles or 2 years, whichever comes first. |
Re: Mushy acceleration
"Pilot41" <some_kind_of_zombie_@hotmail.com> wrote
> Dave Kelsen wrote: >> '03 Accord 4 cyl, 84000 miles 5 speed Automatic >> transmission. > Wait, am I reading your message clearly....84K miles and > hasn't had > plugs done yet? Going from rough memory, I thought plugs on newer cars do in fact last longer (or maybe plug technology itself is just better; or the distributor-less system means less wear on the plugs; etc.). So I didn't blink when the OP said his weren't due until 110k miles. The online Canadian maintenance calculator does indeed say that a 2003 Accord 4-cylinder's plugs are not to be replaced until 7.3 years or about 110k miles have passed. It also says to inspect the plugs at about 60k miles and replace if necessary. http://www.honda.ca/HondaCA2006/Your...efault.htm?L=E (I used Canada's site because it's easier to pull up than American Honda's irritating "Owner's Link" site, and I doubt the spec for the plugs differs much for American driving.) Probably a good idea for the OP to at least pull the plugs and inspect them. Maybe they are fouled. That would certainly at least partly explain bad running and mileage. > If I'm reading correctly, that's pretty > high...especially considering my Haynes recommends new > plugs every 15K > miles. What are you driving? My 91 Civic's manual says to replace the plugs every 30k miles or 2 years, whichever comes first. |
Re: Mushy acceleration
Elle wrote:
> "Pilot41" <some_kind_of_zombie_@hotmail.com> wrote > >>Dave Kelsen wrote: >> >>>'03 Accord 4 cyl, 84000 miles 5 speed Automatic >>>transmission. > > >>Wait, am I reading your message clearly....84K miles and >>hasn't had >>plugs done yet? > > > Going from rough memory, I thought plugs on newer cars do in > fact last longer (or maybe plug technology itself is just > better; or the distributor-less system means less wear on > the plugs; etc.). So I didn't blink when the OP said his > weren't due until 110k miles. > > The online Canadian maintenance calculator does indeed say > that a 2003 Accord 4-cylinder's plugs are not to be replaced > until 7.3 years or about 110k miles have passed. It also > says to inspect the plugs at about 60k miles and replace if > necessary. > http://www.honda.ca/HondaCA2006/Your...efault.htm?L=E > > (I used Canada's site because it's easier to pull up than > American Honda's irritating "Owner's Link" site, and I doubt > the spec for the plugs differs much for American driving.) > > Probably a good idea for the OP to at least pull the plugs > and inspect them. Maybe they are fouled. That would > certainly at least partly explain bad running and mileage. > > >>If I'm reading correctly, that's pretty >>high...especially considering my Haynes recommends new >>plugs every 15K >>miles. > > > What are you driving? > > My 91 Civic's manual says to replace the plugs every 30k > miles or 2 years, whichever comes first. > > Platinum plugs on the newer Hondas last 100K. bob |
Re: Mushy acceleration
Elle wrote:
> "Pilot41" <some_kind_of_zombie_@hotmail.com> wrote > >>Dave Kelsen wrote: >> >>>'03 Accord 4 cyl, 84000 miles 5 speed Automatic >>>transmission. > > >>Wait, am I reading your message clearly....84K miles and >>hasn't had >>plugs done yet? > > > Going from rough memory, I thought plugs on newer cars do in > fact last longer (or maybe plug technology itself is just > better; or the distributor-less system means less wear on > the plugs; etc.). So I didn't blink when the OP said his > weren't due until 110k miles. > > The online Canadian maintenance calculator does indeed say > that a 2003 Accord 4-cylinder's plugs are not to be replaced > until 7.3 years or about 110k miles have passed. It also > says to inspect the plugs at about 60k miles and replace if > necessary. > http://www.honda.ca/HondaCA2006/Your...efault.htm?L=E > > (I used Canada's site because it's easier to pull up than > American Honda's irritating "Owner's Link" site, and I doubt > the spec for the plugs differs much for American driving.) > > Probably a good idea for the OP to at least pull the plugs > and inspect them. Maybe they are fouled. That would > certainly at least partly explain bad running and mileage. > > >>If I'm reading correctly, that's pretty >>high...especially considering my Haynes recommends new >>plugs every 15K >>miles. > > > What are you driving? > > My 91 Civic's manual says to replace the plugs every 30k > miles or 2 years, whichever comes first. > > Platinum plugs on the newer Hondas last 100K. bob |
Re: Mushy acceleration
Elle wrote:
> "Pilot41" <some_kind_of_zombie_@hotmail.com> wrote > >>Dave Kelsen wrote: >> >>>'03 Accord 4 cyl, 84000 miles 5 speed Automatic >>>transmission. > > >>Wait, am I reading your message clearly....84K miles and >>hasn't had >>plugs done yet? > > > Going from rough memory, I thought plugs on newer cars do in > fact last longer (or maybe plug technology itself is just > better; or the distributor-less system means less wear on > the plugs; etc.). So I didn't blink when the OP said his > weren't due until 110k miles. > > The online Canadian maintenance calculator does indeed say > that a 2003 Accord 4-cylinder's plugs are not to be replaced > until 7.3 years or about 110k miles have passed. It also > says to inspect the plugs at about 60k miles and replace if > necessary. > http://www.honda.ca/HondaCA2006/Your...efault.htm?L=E > > (I used Canada's site because it's easier to pull up than > American Honda's irritating "Owner's Link" site, and I doubt > the spec for the plugs differs much for American driving.) > > Probably a good idea for the OP to at least pull the plugs > and inspect them. Maybe they are fouled. That would > certainly at least partly explain bad running and mileage. > > >>If I'm reading correctly, that's pretty >>high...especially considering my Haynes recommends new >>plugs every 15K >>miles. > > > What are you driving? > > My 91 Civic's manual says to replace the plugs every 30k > miles or 2 years, whichever comes first. > > Platinum plugs on the newer Hondas last 100K. bob |
Re: Mushy acceleration
Dave Kelsen wrote:
> > OK, here's my problem, as best I can describe it: > > '03 Accord 4 cyl, 84000 miles 5 speed Automatic transmission. > > When I accelerate, the response is generally somewhat delayed (by a > second or two). This is more or less noticeable, depending on my situation. > > Also, going up a fairly steep incline at 15 mph, I manually put the > transmission in 2nd gear; I can then push the accelerator 3/4 of the way > to the floor without getting much response at all. Only if I floor it, > thus shifting to first, do I get any real response. Otherwise, it's as > if it's in too high a gear - bogging. But a.) I'm talking 3/4 of the > accelerator travel at 15 mph in 2nd gear, and b.) it used to be much > more responsive. > > Also, my gas mileage is decreasing; at first I wrote this off to the > increased (pretty much all the time) use of the A/C, but I'm losing more > (3 -5 mpg) than I think I should, or than I have in previous summers. > > My first thought is a transmission flush, but I'm no expert. > > Opinions, please? > > Thanks. > > RFT!!! > Dave Kelsen ----------------------------------------------- 1) Put it in first gear if you're trying to climb a tall (parkade?) ramp with a cold engine. 2) Run a can of Techron injector cleaner through it twice a year. It will solve dribbling / sloppy injectors and will help keep the throttle body clean. 3) Rev the piss out of it while using the cleaner. Hondas like that now and then anyway. 4) Check the TSB's for LOOSE THROTTLE CABLE. http://www.tegger.com/hondafaq/tsb/ I know the first generation CR-V had it. You can adjust it yourself, but don't go too tight, it needs a bit of slack.... 'Curly' |
Re: Mushy acceleration
Dave Kelsen wrote:
> > OK, here's my problem, as best I can describe it: > > '03 Accord 4 cyl, 84000 miles 5 speed Automatic transmission. > > When I accelerate, the response is generally somewhat delayed (by a > second or two). This is more or less noticeable, depending on my situation. > > Also, going up a fairly steep incline at 15 mph, I manually put the > transmission in 2nd gear; I can then push the accelerator 3/4 of the way > to the floor without getting much response at all. Only if I floor it, > thus shifting to first, do I get any real response. Otherwise, it's as > if it's in too high a gear - bogging. But a.) I'm talking 3/4 of the > accelerator travel at 15 mph in 2nd gear, and b.) it used to be much > more responsive. > > Also, my gas mileage is decreasing; at first I wrote this off to the > increased (pretty much all the time) use of the A/C, but I'm losing more > (3 -5 mpg) than I think I should, or than I have in previous summers. > > My first thought is a transmission flush, but I'm no expert. > > Opinions, please? > > Thanks. > > RFT!!! > Dave Kelsen ----------------------------------------------- 1) Put it in first gear if you're trying to climb a tall (parkade?) ramp with a cold engine. 2) Run a can of Techron injector cleaner through it twice a year. It will solve dribbling / sloppy injectors and will help keep the throttle body clean. 3) Rev the piss out of it while using the cleaner. Hondas like that now and then anyway. 4) Check the TSB's for LOOSE THROTTLE CABLE. http://www.tegger.com/hondafaq/tsb/ I know the first generation CR-V had it. You can adjust it yourself, but don't go too tight, it needs a bit of slack.... 'Curly' |
Re: Mushy acceleration
Dave Kelsen wrote:
> > OK, here's my problem, as best I can describe it: > > '03 Accord 4 cyl, 84000 miles 5 speed Automatic transmission. > > When I accelerate, the response is generally somewhat delayed (by a > second or two). This is more or less noticeable, depending on my situation. > > Also, going up a fairly steep incline at 15 mph, I manually put the > transmission in 2nd gear; I can then push the accelerator 3/4 of the way > to the floor without getting much response at all. Only if I floor it, > thus shifting to first, do I get any real response. Otherwise, it's as > if it's in too high a gear - bogging. But a.) I'm talking 3/4 of the > accelerator travel at 15 mph in 2nd gear, and b.) it used to be much > more responsive. > > Also, my gas mileage is decreasing; at first I wrote this off to the > increased (pretty much all the time) use of the A/C, but I'm losing more > (3 -5 mpg) than I think I should, or than I have in previous summers. > > My first thought is a transmission flush, but I'm no expert. > > Opinions, please? > > Thanks. > > RFT!!! > Dave Kelsen ----------------------------------------------- 1) Put it in first gear if you're trying to climb a tall (parkade?) ramp with a cold engine. 2) Run a can of Techron injector cleaner through it twice a year. It will solve dribbling / sloppy injectors and will help keep the throttle body clean. 3) Rev the piss out of it while using the cleaner. Hondas like that now and then anyway. 4) Check the TSB's for LOOSE THROTTLE CABLE. http://www.tegger.com/hondafaq/tsb/ I know the first generation CR-V had it. You can adjust it yourself, but don't go too tight, it needs a bit of slack.... 'Curly' |
Re: Mushy acceleration
"Dave Kelsen" <invalid@invalid.invalid> wrote in message
news:zpGmg.15215$LT2.12269@tornado.tampabay.rr.com ... > Thanks for your suggestions. I sure hope it's not a fuel filter. FWIW, most of the fuel filter problems I've seen showed up as sudden engine stalling, then no start for about half an hour. The other ones were okay idle but terrible misfire when throttle is opened - carbureted only. For just mushy I wouldn't think fuel filter first. Mike |
Re: Mushy acceleration
"Dave Kelsen" <invalid@invalid.invalid> wrote in message
news:zpGmg.15215$LT2.12269@tornado.tampabay.rr.com ... > Thanks for your suggestions. I sure hope it's not a fuel filter. FWIW, most of the fuel filter problems I've seen showed up as sudden engine stalling, then no start for about half an hour. The other ones were okay idle but terrible misfire when throttle is opened - carbureted only. For just mushy I wouldn't think fuel filter first. Mike |
Re: Mushy acceleration
"Dave Kelsen" <invalid@invalid.invalid> wrote in message
news:zpGmg.15215$LT2.12269@tornado.tampabay.rr.com ... > Thanks for your suggestions. I sure hope it's not a fuel filter. FWIW, most of the fuel filter problems I've seen showed up as sudden engine stalling, then no start for about half an hour. The other ones were okay idle but terrible misfire when throttle is opened - carbureted only. For just mushy I wouldn't think fuel filter first. Mike |
Re: Mushy acceleration
On 6/22/2006 10:59 PM Pilot41 spake these words of knowledge:
> Dave Kelsen wrote: >> On 6/21/2006 11:58 PM Elle spake these words of knowledge: >> >> > "Pilot41" <some_kind_of_zombie_@hotmail.com> wrote >> > OP wrote >> >>> When I accelerate, the response is generally somewhat >> >>> delayed (by a >> >>> second or two). This is more or less noticeable, >> >>> depending on my situation. >> >>> >> >>> Also, going up a fairly steep incline at 15 mph, I >> >>> manually put the >> >>> transmission in 2nd gear; I can then push the accelerator >> >>> 3/4 of the way >> >>> to the floor without getting much response at all. Only >> >>> if I floor it, >> >>> thus shifting to first, do I get any real response. >> >>> Otherwise, it's as >> >>> if it's in too high a gear - bogging. But a.) I'm >> >>> talking 3/4 of the >> >>> accelerator travel at 15 mph in 2nd gear, and b.) it used >> >>> to be much >> >>> more responsive. >> >>> >> >>> Also, my gas mileage is decreasing; at first I wrote this >> >>> off to the >> >>> increased (pretty much all the time) use of the A/C, but >> >>> I'm losing more >> >>> (3 -5 mpg) than I think I should, or than I have in >> >>> previous summers. >> >>> >> >>> My first thought is a transmission flush, but I'm no >> >>> expert. >> >> Hmm...the gas mileage change is telling. It's probably an >> >> engine thing. >> >> Possibly plugs/distributor (when was the last time you had >> >> a tune up?) >> >> or worse. Clogged fuel filter doesn't seem like it would >> >> cause mileage >> >> trouble. So my bet is induction (air filter etc) or >> >> ignition somewhere. >> > >> > In this vein, can the OP please state when a tuneup (new >> > plugs, air filter, fuel filter, possibly new ignition wires, >> > new distributor cap and rotor, timing check) was done? >> > >> > Were genuine Honda parts used? >> >> Hmmm. The dust/pollen filter and the air cleaner element were changed >> in accordance with the maintenance schedule - at 30K and 60K miles. >> It's about 6K miles from scheduled replacement for both these items. >> Genuine Honda parts are used in replacing these filters. Plugs are >> scheduled to be changed at 110K miles, and have not been done >> previously. Fuel filter is not on maintenance schedule, and since it >> has not given me trouble heretofore, it has not been replaced. Likewise >> the plugwires. >> >> My Helm manual starts the section about fuel filter replacement with, >> "Remove the fuel pump". Damn. >> >> As far as I know, this engine does not use a distributor, and so has no >> cap or rotor. >> >> Ah. I see that the first line of my original post got cut off somehow: >> >> '03 Accord 4 cyl, 84000 miles 5 speed Automatic transmission. >> >> Thanks for your suggestions. I sure hope it's not a fuel filter. >> Manual says to check the fuel pressure after making sure the fuel pump >> and fuel pressure regulator are OK. That means a trip to the dealer, >> and I never seem to get kissed when I'm getting... well, you know. In >> the old days, I'd have replaced a few things and seen what the results >> were, but these days that's potentially very expensive. >> >> Cleaning the throttle bodies sounds promising! >> >> >> RFT!!! >> Dave Kelsen >> -- >> I like my women like I like my tractors. I can't get any more specific >> than that. Please don't ask me to explain. > Wait, am I reading your message clearly....84K miles and hasn't had > plugs done yet? If I'm reading correctly, that's pretty > high...especially considering my Haynes recommends new plugs every 15K > miles. I would at least pull them and check them...something that > doesn't really take much skill or specialized equipment. Even if the > problem isn't with the plugs themselves, they will at least give you > some indication as to what's going on in the engine. You should be able > to find a guide online or in your manual as to what issues will cause > the plugs to look a certain way. If I'm misreading your message and the > plugs have been changed recently...I don't know, good luck! > Your reading skills are unimpaired, Pilot. I did indeed say that they haven't been done yet. According to Honda, they don't need it, although I agree it won't hurt to pull 'em out and have a look at them. I'll give that a go, and thanks. RFT!!! Dave Kelsen -- The Lord moves in mysterious ways. That's why He's so good at dodgeball. |
Re: Mushy acceleration
On 6/22/2006 10:59 PM Pilot41 spake these words of knowledge:
> Dave Kelsen wrote: >> On 6/21/2006 11:58 PM Elle spake these words of knowledge: >> >> > "Pilot41" <some_kind_of_zombie_@hotmail.com> wrote >> > OP wrote >> >>> When I accelerate, the response is generally somewhat >> >>> delayed (by a >> >>> second or two). This is more or less noticeable, >> >>> depending on my situation. >> >>> >> >>> Also, going up a fairly steep incline at 15 mph, I >> >>> manually put the >> >>> transmission in 2nd gear; I can then push the accelerator >> >>> 3/4 of the way >> >>> to the floor without getting much response at all. Only >> >>> if I floor it, >> >>> thus shifting to first, do I get any real response. >> >>> Otherwise, it's as >> >>> if it's in too high a gear - bogging. But a.) I'm >> >>> talking 3/4 of the >> >>> accelerator travel at 15 mph in 2nd gear, and b.) it used >> >>> to be much >> >>> more responsive. >> >>> >> >>> Also, my gas mileage is decreasing; at first I wrote this >> >>> off to the >> >>> increased (pretty much all the time) use of the A/C, but >> >>> I'm losing more >> >>> (3 -5 mpg) than I think I should, or than I have in >> >>> previous summers. >> >>> >> >>> My first thought is a transmission flush, but I'm no >> >>> expert. >> >> Hmm...the gas mileage change is telling. It's probably an >> >> engine thing. >> >> Possibly plugs/distributor (when was the last time you had >> >> a tune up?) >> >> or worse. Clogged fuel filter doesn't seem like it would >> >> cause mileage >> >> trouble. So my bet is induction (air filter etc) or >> >> ignition somewhere. >> > >> > In this vein, can the OP please state when a tuneup (new >> > plugs, air filter, fuel filter, possibly new ignition wires, >> > new distributor cap and rotor, timing check) was done? >> > >> > Were genuine Honda parts used? >> >> Hmmm. The dust/pollen filter and the air cleaner element were changed >> in accordance with the maintenance schedule - at 30K and 60K miles. >> It's about 6K miles from scheduled replacement for both these items. >> Genuine Honda parts are used in replacing these filters. Plugs are >> scheduled to be changed at 110K miles, and have not been done >> previously. Fuel filter is not on maintenance schedule, and since it >> has not given me trouble heretofore, it has not been replaced. Likewise >> the plugwires. >> >> My Helm manual starts the section about fuel filter replacement with, >> "Remove the fuel pump". Damn. >> >> As far as I know, this engine does not use a distributor, and so has no >> cap or rotor. >> >> Ah. I see that the first line of my original post got cut off somehow: >> >> '03 Accord 4 cyl, 84000 miles 5 speed Automatic transmission. >> >> Thanks for your suggestions. I sure hope it's not a fuel filter. >> Manual says to check the fuel pressure after making sure the fuel pump >> and fuel pressure regulator are OK. That means a trip to the dealer, >> and I never seem to get kissed when I'm getting... well, you know. In >> the old days, I'd have replaced a few things and seen what the results >> were, but these days that's potentially very expensive. >> >> Cleaning the throttle bodies sounds promising! >> >> >> RFT!!! >> Dave Kelsen >> -- >> I like my women like I like my tractors. I can't get any more specific >> than that. Please don't ask me to explain. > Wait, am I reading your message clearly....84K miles and hasn't had > plugs done yet? If I'm reading correctly, that's pretty > high...especially considering my Haynes recommends new plugs every 15K > miles. I would at least pull them and check them...something that > doesn't really take much skill or specialized equipment. Even if the > problem isn't with the plugs themselves, they will at least give you > some indication as to what's going on in the engine. You should be able > to find a guide online or in your manual as to what issues will cause > the plugs to look a certain way. If I'm misreading your message and the > plugs have been changed recently...I don't know, good luck! > Your reading skills are unimpaired, Pilot. I did indeed say that they haven't been done yet. According to Honda, they don't need it, although I agree it won't hurt to pull 'em out and have a look at them. I'll give that a go, and thanks. RFT!!! Dave Kelsen -- The Lord moves in mysterious ways. That's why He's so good at dodgeball. |
Re: Mushy acceleration
On 6/22/2006 10:59 PM Pilot41 spake these words of knowledge:
> Dave Kelsen wrote: >> On 6/21/2006 11:58 PM Elle spake these words of knowledge: >> >> > "Pilot41" <some_kind_of_zombie_@hotmail.com> wrote >> > OP wrote >> >>> When I accelerate, the response is generally somewhat >> >>> delayed (by a >> >>> second or two). This is more or less noticeable, >> >>> depending on my situation. >> >>> >> >>> Also, going up a fairly steep incline at 15 mph, I >> >>> manually put the >> >>> transmission in 2nd gear; I can then push the accelerator >> >>> 3/4 of the way >> >>> to the floor without getting much response at all. Only >> >>> if I floor it, >> >>> thus shifting to first, do I get any real response. >> >>> Otherwise, it's as >> >>> if it's in too high a gear - bogging. But a.) I'm >> >>> talking 3/4 of the >> >>> accelerator travel at 15 mph in 2nd gear, and b.) it used >> >>> to be much >> >>> more responsive. >> >>> >> >>> Also, my gas mileage is decreasing; at first I wrote this >> >>> off to the >> >>> increased (pretty much all the time) use of the A/C, but >> >>> I'm losing more >> >>> (3 -5 mpg) than I think I should, or than I have in >> >>> previous summers. >> >>> >> >>> My first thought is a transmission flush, but I'm no >> >>> expert. >> >> Hmm...the gas mileage change is telling. It's probably an >> >> engine thing. >> >> Possibly plugs/distributor (when was the last time you had >> >> a tune up?) >> >> or worse. Clogged fuel filter doesn't seem like it would >> >> cause mileage >> >> trouble. So my bet is induction (air filter etc) or >> >> ignition somewhere. >> > >> > In this vein, can the OP please state when a tuneup (new >> > plugs, air filter, fuel filter, possibly new ignition wires, >> > new distributor cap and rotor, timing check) was done? >> > >> > Were genuine Honda parts used? >> >> Hmmm. The dust/pollen filter and the air cleaner element were changed >> in accordance with the maintenance schedule - at 30K and 60K miles. >> It's about 6K miles from scheduled replacement for both these items. >> Genuine Honda parts are used in replacing these filters. Plugs are >> scheduled to be changed at 110K miles, and have not been done >> previously. Fuel filter is not on maintenance schedule, and since it >> has not given me trouble heretofore, it has not been replaced. Likewise >> the plugwires. >> >> My Helm manual starts the section about fuel filter replacement with, >> "Remove the fuel pump". Damn. >> >> As far as I know, this engine does not use a distributor, and so has no >> cap or rotor. >> >> Ah. I see that the first line of my original post got cut off somehow: >> >> '03 Accord 4 cyl, 84000 miles 5 speed Automatic transmission. >> >> Thanks for your suggestions. I sure hope it's not a fuel filter. >> Manual says to check the fuel pressure after making sure the fuel pump >> and fuel pressure regulator are OK. That means a trip to the dealer, >> and I never seem to get kissed when I'm getting... well, you know. In >> the old days, I'd have replaced a few things and seen what the results >> were, but these days that's potentially very expensive. >> >> Cleaning the throttle bodies sounds promising! >> >> >> RFT!!! >> Dave Kelsen >> -- >> I like my women like I like my tractors. I can't get any more specific >> than that. Please don't ask me to explain. > Wait, am I reading your message clearly....84K miles and hasn't had > plugs done yet? If I'm reading correctly, that's pretty > high...especially considering my Haynes recommends new plugs every 15K > miles. I would at least pull them and check them...something that > doesn't really take much skill or specialized equipment. Even if the > problem isn't with the plugs themselves, they will at least give you > some indication as to what's going on in the engine. You should be able > to find a guide online or in your manual as to what issues will cause > the plugs to look a certain way. If I'm misreading your message and the > plugs have been changed recently...I don't know, good luck! > Your reading skills are unimpaired, Pilot. I did indeed say that they haven't been done yet. According to Honda, they don't need it, although I agree it won't hurt to pull 'em out and have a look at them. I'll give that a go, and thanks. RFT!!! Dave Kelsen -- The Lord moves in mysterious ways. That's why He's so good at dodgeball. |
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