My Si has a DX motor!
I think I posted about this when my timing belt was changed a couple of
years ago; the short version was that my usual mechanic told me after he'd finished the work that he thought my 90 CRX Si had a 1.5L engine instead of the usual 1.6, because the timing belt for a 1.6 didn't fit, but the belt from a 1.5 did. He claimed to have called a friend at a Honda dealer who told him that 1.5L engines had been installed in some Si models. I asked around, but was never able to find anyone else to confirm this, and since the car was running well, I eventually just chalked it up as a curiosity. Fast forward to several weeks ago, when I had (among other things) what I thought was a leaking rear main seal looked at, but which turned out to be a leaking oil pan gasket. In the process of trying to confirm where the leak was actually originating, the dealer where I had the work done cleaned off a fair amount of the gunk that had accumulated on the various surfaces of the engine. Yesterday I was poking around under the hood while attempting to change a burned-out low beam, when I happened to shine a light on the front of the block, and there it was, plain as day: D15B2, otherwise known as the motor used in DX models. Sis of this vintage are supposed to have a D16A6. The difference is a longer stroke, slightly higher compression ratio, and, depending on who's counting, between 15-20 horsepower. I bought the car from an Acura dealer in 1992 with roughly 20K miles on it. I have no idea whether they knowingly sold me the car with a DX motor, or whether it came to them that way and nobody noticed it before it went out on the lot; it's not exactly a difference that's easily spotted visually unless you examine the stamp on the block. But either way, I'm not too pleased. I've been thinking more and more about an engine swap lately, but the reality of taking that path is that it'll cost a lot more for me to do that than it would to be patient and keep my eyes open for a reasonably clean, non-riced CRX that's already had a B16 swapped in by someone who knew what they were doing. Dave |
Re: My Si has a DX motor!
In article <MPG.2021dcb2372f941698a156@207.14.116.130>,
Dave Garrett <dave@compassnet.com> wrote: > Yesterday I was poking around under the hood while attempting to change > a burned-out low beam, when I happened to shine a light on the front of > the block, and there it was, plain as day: D15B2, otherwise known as the > motor used in DX models. Sis of this vintage are supposed to have a > D16A6. The difference is a longer stroke, slightly higher compression > ratio, and, depending on who's counting, between 15-20 horsepower. > > I bought the car from an Acura dealer in 1992 with roughly 20K miles on > it. And a bogus Si sticker from the previous ricer owner. |
Re: My Si has a DX motor!
In article <MPG.2021dcb2372f941698a156@207.14.116.130>,
Dave Garrett <dave@compassnet.com> wrote: > Yesterday I was poking around under the hood while attempting to change > a burned-out low beam, when I happened to shine a light on the front of > the block, and there it was, plain as day: D15B2, otherwise known as the > motor used in DX models. Sis of this vintage are supposed to have a > D16A6. The difference is a longer stroke, slightly higher compression > ratio, and, depending on who's counting, between 15-20 horsepower. > > I bought the car from an Acura dealer in 1992 with roughly 20K miles on > it. And a bogus Si sticker from the previous ricer owner. |
Re: My Si has a DX motor!
In article <MPG.2021dcb2372f941698a156@207.14.116.130>,
Dave Garrett <dave@compassnet.com> wrote: > Yesterday I was poking around under the hood while attempting to change > a burned-out low beam, when I happened to shine a light on the front of > the block, and there it was, plain as day: D15B2, otherwise known as the > motor used in DX models. Sis of this vintage are supposed to have a > D16A6. The difference is a longer stroke, slightly higher compression > ratio, and, depending on who's counting, between 15-20 horsepower. > > I bought the car from an Acura dealer in 1992 with roughly 20K miles on > it. And a bogus Si sticker from the previous ricer owner. |
Re: My Si has a DX motor!
In article <MPG.2021dcb2372f941698a156@207.14.116.130>,
Dave Garrett <dave@compassnet.com> wrote: > Yesterday I was poking around under the hood while attempting to change > a burned-out low beam, when I happened to shine a light on the front of > the block, and there it was, plain as day: D15B2, otherwise known as the > motor used in DX models. Sis of this vintage are supposed to have a > D16A6. The difference is a longer stroke, slightly higher compression > ratio, and, depending on who's counting, between 15-20 horsepower. > > I bought the car from an Acura dealer in 1992 with roughly 20K miles on > it. And a bogus Si sticker from the previous ricer owner. |
Re: My Si has a DX motor!
Dave Garrett wrote:
> I think I posted about this when my timing belt was changed a couple of > years ago; the short version was that my usual mechanic told me after > he'd finished the work that he thought my 90 CRX Si had a 1.5L engine > instead of the usual 1.6, because the timing belt for a 1.6 didn't fit, > but the belt from a 1.5 did. He claimed to have called a friend at a > Honda dealer who told him that 1.5L engines had been installed in some > Si models. <snip> that's b.s. the only way this happens is either if the car is crashed/stolen parted out, then later rebuilt again with the cheap motor, or the d16 blew and a cheapo d15 block was used as replacement. whatever the deal, it's /way/ too late to do anything about the person that did the work. if you want you can get d16's as jdm replacements for not an incredible amount of money. depending on local emissions laws, you can maybe get away with a zc motor - some of those are sweet - cheap too. |
Re: My Si has a DX motor!
Dave Garrett wrote:
> I think I posted about this when my timing belt was changed a couple of > years ago; the short version was that my usual mechanic told me after > he'd finished the work that he thought my 90 CRX Si had a 1.5L engine > instead of the usual 1.6, because the timing belt for a 1.6 didn't fit, > but the belt from a 1.5 did. He claimed to have called a friend at a > Honda dealer who told him that 1.5L engines had been installed in some > Si models. <snip> that's b.s. the only way this happens is either if the car is crashed/stolen parted out, then later rebuilt again with the cheap motor, or the d16 blew and a cheapo d15 block was used as replacement. whatever the deal, it's /way/ too late to do anything about the person that did the work. if you want you can get d16's as jdm replacements for not an incredible amount of money. depending on local emissions laws, you can maybe get away with a zc motor - some of those are sweet - cheap too. |
Re: My Si has a DX motor!
Dave Garrett wrote:
> I think I posted about this when my timing belt was changed a couple of > years ago; the short version was that my usual mechanic told me after > he'd finished the work that he thought my 90 CRX Si had a 1.5L engine > instead of the usual 1.6, because the timing belt for a 1.6 didn't fit, > but the belt from a 1.5 did. He claimed to have called a friend at a > Honda dealer who told him that 1.5L engines had been installed in some > Si models. <snip> that's b.s. the only way this happens is either if the car is crashed/stolen parted out, then later rebuilt again with the cheap motor, or the d16 blew and a cheapo d15 block was used as replacement. whatever the deal, it's /way/ too late to do anything about the person that did the work. if you want you can get d16's as jdm replacements for not an incredible amount of money. depending on local emissions laws, you can maybe get away with a zc motor - some of those are sweet - cheap too. |
Re: My Si has a DX motor!
Dave Garrett wrote:
> I think I posted about this when my timing belt was changed a couple of > years ago; the short version was that my usual mechanic told me after > he'd finished the work that he thought my 90 CRX Si had a 1.5L engine > instead of the usual 1.6, because the timing belt for a 1.6 didn't fit, > but the belt from a 1.5 did. He claimed to have called a friend at a > Honda dealer who told him that 1.5L engines had been installed in some > Si models. <snip> that's b.s. the only way this happens is either if the car is crashed/stolen parted out, then later rebuilt again with the cheap motor, or the d16 blew and a cheapo d15 block was used as replacement. whatever the deal, it's /way/ too late to do anything about the person that did the work. if you want you can get d16's as jdm replacements for not an incredible amount of money. depending on local emissions laws, you can maybe get away with a zc motor - some of those are sweet - cheap too. |
Re: My Si has a DX motor!
Elmo P. Shagnasty wrote:
> In article <MPG.2021dcb2372f941698a156@207.14.116.130>, > Dave Garrett <dave@compassnet.com> wrote: > >> Yesterday I was poking around under the hood while attempting to change >> a burned-out low beam, when I happened to shine a light on the front of >> the block, and there it was, plain as day: D15B2, otherwise known as the >> motor used in DX models. Sis of this vintage are supposed to have a >> D16A6. The difference is a longer stroke, slightly higher compression >> ratio, and, depending on who's counting, between 15-20 horsepower. >> >> I bought the car from an Acura dealer in 1992 with roughly 20K miles on >> it. > > And a bogus Si sticker from the previous ricer owner. > check the vehicle reg docs? i doubt it's just a sticker job - the conversion from 2pfi to 4pfi is non-trivial. |
Re: My Si has a DX motor!
Elmo P. Shagnasty wrote:
> In article <MPG.2021dcb2372f941698a156@207.14.116.130>, > Dave Garrett <dave@compassnet.com> wrote: > >> Yesterday I was poking around under the hood while attempting to change >> a burned-out low beam, when I happened to shine a light on the front of >> the block, and there it was, plain as day: D15B2, otherwise known as the >> motor used in DX models. Sis of this vintage are supposed to have a >> D16A6. The difference is a longer stroke, slightly higher compression >> ratio, and, depending on who's counting, between 15-20 horsepower. >> >> I bought the car from an Acura dealer in 1992 with roughly 20K miles on >> it. > > And a bogus Si sticker from the previous ricer owner. > check the vehicle reg docs? i doubt it's just a sticker job - the conversion from 2pfi to 4pfi is non-trivial. |
Re: My Si has a DX motor!
Elmo P. Shagnasty wrote:
> In article <MPG.2021dcb2372f941698a156@207.14.116.130>, > Dave Garrett <dave@compassnet.com> wrote: > >> Yesterday I was poking around under the hood while attempting to change >> a burned-out low beam, when I happened to shine a light on the front of >> the block, and there it was, plain as day: D15B2, otherwise known as the >> motor used in DX models. Sis of this vintage are supposed to have a >> D16A6. The difference is a longer stroke, slightly higher compression >> ratio, and, depending on who's counting, between 15-20 horsepower. >> >> I bought the car from an Acura dealer in 1992 with roughly 20K miles on >> it. > > And a bogus Si sticker from the previous ricer owner. > check the vehicle reg docs? i doubt it's just a sticker job - the conversion from 2pfi to 4pfi is non-trivial. |
Re: My Si has a DX motor!
Elmo P. Shagnasty wrote:
> In article <MPG.2021dcb2372f941698a156@207.14.116.130>, > Dave Garrett <dave@compassnet.com> wrote: > >> Yesterday I was poking around under the hood while attempting to change >> a burned-out low beam, when I happened to shine a light on the front of >> the block, and there it was, plain as day: D15B2, otherwise known as the >> motor used in DX models. Sis of this vintage are supposed to have a >> D16A6. The difference is a longer stroke, slightly higher compression >> ratio, and, depending on who's counting, between 15-20 horsepower. >> >> I bought the car from an Acura dealer in 1992 with roughly 20K miles on >> it. > > And a bogus Si sticker from the previous ricer owner. > check the vehicle reg docs? i doubt it's just a sticker job - the conversion from 2pfi to 4pfi is non-trivial. |
Re: My Si has a DX motor!
In article <5bGdncC_8to7qyXYnZ2dnUVZ_uDinZ2d@speakeasy.net> ,
jim beam <spamvortex@bad.example.net> wrote: > > And a bogus Si sticker from the previous ricer owner. > > > check the vehicle reg docs? i doubt it's just a sticker job - the > conversion from 2pfi to 4pfi is non-trivial. The serial number will tell all. Carfax, anyone? |
Re: My Si has a DX motor!
In article <5bGdncC_8to7qyXYnZ2dnUVZ_uDinZ2d@speakeasy.net> ,
jim beam <spamvortex@bad.example.net> wrote: > > And a bogus Si sticker from the previous ricer owner. > > > check the vehicle reg docs? i doubt it's just a sticker job - the > conversion from 2pfi to 4pfi is non-trivial. The serial number will tell all. Carfax, anyone? |
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