Re: My Si has a DX motor!
 

In article <1169734704.580895.81910@k78g2000cwa.googlegroups. com>,
dan.dibiase@gmail.com says...
>
>
> On Jan 25, 5:51 am, "Elmo P. Shagnasty" <e...@nastydesigns.com> wrote:
> > In article <5bGdncC_8to7qyXYnZ2dnUVZ_uDin...@speakeasy.net> ,
> > jim beam <spamvor...@bad.example.net> wrote:
> >
> > > > And a bogus Si sticker from the previous ricer owner.
> >
> > > check the vehicle reg docs? i doubt it's just a sticker job - the
> > > conversion from 2pfi to 4pfi is non-trivial.The serial number will tell all. Carfax, anyone?
>
> I have an open account. What's the VIN?

You've got mail - I didn't want to post the number on the net, but feel
free to post the results here.

I had a Carfax account briefly several years ago, and at that time I
remember running a report for my car, but I don't recall seeing anything
unusual then. It's been a while, however, and my memory could certainly
be faulty, so I'll be interested to see what it says.

Thanks,

Dave

Re: My Si has a DX motor!
 

In article <1169734704.580895.81910@k78g2000cwa.googlegroups. com>,
dan.dibiase@gmail.com says...
>
>
> On Jan 25, 5:51 am, "Elmo P. Shagnasty" <e...@nastydesigns.com> wrote:
> > In article <5bGdncC_8to7qyXYnZ2dnUVZ_uDin...@speakeasy.net> ,
> > jim beam <spamvor...@bad.example.net> wrote:
> >
> > > > And a bogus Si sticker from the previous ricer owner.
> >
> > > check the vehicle reg docs? i doubt it's just a sticker job - the
> > > conversion from 2pfi to 4pfi is non-trivial.The serial number will tell all. Carfax, anyone?
>
> I have an open account. What's the VIN?

You've got mail - I didn't want to post the number on the net, but feel
free to post the results here.

I had a Carfax account briefly several years ago, and at that time I
remember running a report for my car, but I don't recall seeing anything
unusual then. It's been a while, however, and my memory could certainly
be faulty, so I'll be interested to see what it says.

Thanks,

Dave

Re: My Si has a DX motor!
 

In article <1169734704.580895.81910@k78g2000cwa.googlegroups. com>,
dan.dibiase@gmail.com says...
>
>
> On Jan 25, 5:51 am, "Elmo P. Shagnasty" <e...@nastydesigns.com> wrote:
> > In article <5bGdncC_8to7qyXYnZ2dnUVZ_uDin...@speakeasy.net> ,
> > jim beam <spamvor...@bad.example.net> wrote:
> >
> > > > And a bogus Si sticker from the previous ricer owner.
> >
> > > check the vehicle reg docs? i doubt it's just a sticker job - the
> > > conversion from 2pfi to 4pfi is non-trivial.The serial number will tell all. Carfax, anyone?
>
> I have an open account. What's the VIN?

You've got mail - I didn't want to post the number on the net, but feel
free to post the results here.

I had a Carfax account briefly several years ago, and at that time I
remember running a report for my car, but I don't recall seeing anything
unusual then. It's been a while, however, and my memory could certainly
be faulty, so I'll be interested to see what it says.

Thanks,

Dave

Re: My Si has a DX motor!
 

Dave Garrett <dave@compassnet.com> wrote in
news:MPG.2021dcb2372f941698a156@207.14.116.130:


>
> Yesterday I was poking around under the hood while attempting to
> change a burned-out low beam, when I happened to shine a light on the
> front of the block, and there it was, plain as day: D15B2, otherwise
> known as the motor used in DX models. Sis of this vintage are supposed
> to have a D16A6.



What are the first eight digits of your VIN? This will tell you what
engine the car originally shipped with.

What country are you in? Different engines were used in different markets.

--
Tegger

The Unofficial Honda/Acura FAQ
www.tegger.com/hondafaq/

Re: My Si has a DX motor!
 

Dave Garrett <dave@compassnet.com> wrote in
news:MPG.2021dcb2372f941698a156@207.14.116.130:


>
> Yesterday I was poking around under the hood while attempting to
> change a burned-out low beam, when I happened to shine a light on the
> front of the block, and there it was, plain as day: D15B2, otherwise
> known as the motor used in DX models. Sis of this vintage are supposed
> to have a D16A6.



What are the first eight digits of your VIN? This will tell you what
engine the car originally shipped with.

What country are you in? Different engines were used in different markets.

--
Tegger

The Unofficial Honda/Acura FAQ
www.tegger.com/hondafaq/

Re: My Si has a DX motor!
 

Dave Garrett <dave@compassnet.com> wrote in
news:MPG.2021dcb2372f941698a156@207.14.116.130:


>
> Yesterday I was poking around under the hood while attempting to
> change a burned-out low beam, when I happened to shine a light on the
> front of the block, and there it was, plain as day: D15B2, otherwise
> known as the motor used in DX models. Sis of this vintage are supposed
> to have a D16A6.



What are the first eight digits of your VIN? This will tell you what
engine the car originally shipped with.

What country are you in? Different engines were used in different markets.

--
Tegger

The Unofficial Honda/Acura FAQ
www.tegger.com/hondafaq/

Re: My Si has a DX motor!
 

Dave Garrett <dave@compassnet.com> wrote in
news:MPG.2021dcb2372f941698a156@207.14.116.130:


>
> Yesterday I was poking around under the hood while attempting to
> change a burned-out low beam, when I happened to shine a light on the
> front of the block, and there it was, plain as day: D15B2, otherwise
> known as the motor used in DX models. Sis of this vintage are supposed
> to have a D16A6.



What are the first eight digits of your VIN? This will tell you what
engine the car originally shipped with.

What country are you in? Different engines were used in different markets.

--
Tegger

The Unofficial Honda/Acura FAQ
www.tegger.com/hondafaq/

Re: My Si has a DX motor!
 

In article <5bGdncG_8trWqyXYnZ2dnUVZ_uCinZ2d@speakeasy.net> ,
spamvortex@bad.example.net says...
> Dave Garrett wrote:

> > I think I posted about this when my timing belt was changed a couple of
> > years ago; the short version was that my usual mechanic told me after
> > he'd finished the work that he thought my 90 CRX Si had a 1.5L engine
> > instead of the usual 1.6, because the timing belt for a 1.6 didn't fit,
> > but the belt from a 1.5 did. He claimed to have called a friend at a
> > Honda dealer who told him that 1.5L engines had been installed in some
> > Si models.
> <snip>
>
> that's b.s. the only way this happens is either if the car is
> crashed/stolen parted out, then later rebuilt again with the cheap
> motor, or the d16 blew and a cheapo d15 block was used as replacement.
> whatever the deal, it's /way/ too late to do anything about the person
> that did the work. if you want you can get d16's as jdm replacements
> for not an incredible amount of money. depending on local emissions
> laws, you can maybe get away with a zc motor - some of those are sweet -
> cheap too.

I thought it sounded like BS at the time too. I don't know enough about
the details of the differences between the two engines - do they use the
same block, or is it significantly different?

And yeah, I'm certainly not expecting to have any recourse at this late
date other than never patronizing that dealer again. If I'm going to do
a swap, I'm inclined to go for a B16 for a significant power boost. But
as you're probably well aware, a B16 transplant isn't nearly as easy a
bolt-in as a ZC - off the top of my head, you need new motor mounts, new
axles, a wiring subharness to connect the VTEC controller, a new ECU, a
new gauge cluster, and a new AC bracket (where I live, not having AC in
the summer is a significant problem, so I need to keep it functioning).
That's probably at least $2K in parts before you even get started on the
labor to install everything. Hence my earlier comment about trying to
find another CRX that's already had a B16 professionally installed.

Dave

Re: My Si has a DX motor!
 

In article <5bGdncG_8trWqyXYnZ2dnUVZ_uCinZ2d@speakeasy.net> ,
spamvortex@bad.example.net says...
> Dave Garrett wrote:

> > I think I posted about this when my timing belt was changed a couple of
> > years ago; the short version was that my usual mechanic told me after
> > he'd finished the work that he thought my 90 CRX Si had a 1.5L engine
> > instead of the usual 1.6, because the timing belt for a 1.6 didn't fit,
> > but the belt from a 1.5 did. He claimed to have called a friend at a
> > Honda dealer who told him that 1.5L engines had been installed in some
> > Si models.
> <snip>
>
> that's b.s. the only way this happens is either if the car is
> crashed/stolen parted out, then later rebuilt again with the cheap
> motor, or the d16 blew and a cheapo d15 block was used as replacement.
> whatever the deal, it's /way/ too late to do anything about the person
> that did the work. if you want you can get d16's as jdm replacements
> for not an incredible amount of money. depending on local emissions
> laws, you can maybe get away with a zc motor - some of those are sweet -
> cheap too.

I thought it sounded like BS at the time too. I don't know enough about
the details of the differences between the two engines - do they use the
same block, or is it significantly different?

And yeah, I'm certainly not expecting to have any recourse at this late
date other than never patronizing that dealer again. If I'm going to do
a swap, I'm inclined to go for a B16 for a significant power boost. But
as you're probably well aware, a B16 transplant isn't nearly as easy a
bolt-in as a ZC - off the top of my head, you need new motor mounts, new
axles, a wiring subharness to connect the VTEC controller, a new ECU, a
new gauge cluster, and a new AC bracket (where I live, not having AC in
the summer is a significant problem, so I need to keep it functioning).
That's probably at least $2K in parts before you even get started on the
labor to install everything. Hence my earlier comment about trying to
find another CRX that's already had a B16 professionally installed.

Dave

Re: My Si has a DX motor!
 

In article <5bGdncG_8trWqyXYnZ2dnUVZ_uCinZ2d@speakeasy.net> ,
spamvortex@bad.example.net says...
> Dave Garrett wrote:

> > I think I posted about this when my timing belt was changed a couple of
> > years ago; the short version was that my usual mechanic told me after
> > he'd finished the work that he thought my 90 CRX Si had a 1.5L engine
> > instead of the usual 1.6, because the timing belt for a 1.6 didn't fit,
> > but the belt from a 1.5 did. He claimed to have called a friend at a
> > Honda dealer who told him that 1.5L engines had been installed in some
> > Si models.
> <snip>
>
> that's b.s. the only way this happens is either if the car is
> crashed/stolen parted out, then later rebuilt again with the cheap
> motor, or the d16 blew and a cheapo d15 block was used as replacement.
> whatever the deal, it's /way/ too late to do anything about the person
> that did the work. if you want you can get d16's as jdm replacements
> for not an incredible amount of money. depending on local emissions
> laws, you can maybe get away with a zc motor - some of those are sweet -
> cheap too.

I thought it sounded like BS at the time too. I don't know enough about
the details of the differences between the two engines - do they use the
same block, or is it significantly different?

And yeah, I'm certainly not expecting to have any recourse at this late
date other than never patronizing that dealer again. If I'm going to do
a swap, I'm inclined to go for a B16 for a significant power boost. But
as you're probably well aware, a B16 transplant isn't nearly as easy a
bolt-in as a ZC - off the top of my head, you need new motor mounts, new
axles, a wiring subharness to connect the VTEC controller, a new ECU, a
new gauge cluster, and a new AC bracket (where I live, not having AC in
the summer is a significant problem, so I need to keep it functioning).
That's probably at least $2K in parts before you even get started on the
labor to install everything. Hence my earlier comment about trying to
find another CRX that's already had a B16 professionally installed.

Dave

Re: My Si has a DX motor!
 

In article <5bGdncG_8trWqyXYnZ2dnUVZ_uCinZ2d@speakeasy.net> ,
spamvortex@bad.example.net says...
> Dave Garrett wrote:

> > I think I posted about this when my timing belt was changed a couple of
> > years ago; the short version was that my usual mechanic told me after
> > he'd finished the work that he thought my 90 CRX Si had a 1.5L engine
> > instead of the usual 1.6, because the timing belt for a 1.6 didn't fit,
> > but the belt from a 1.5 did. He claimed to have called a friend at a
> > Honda dealer who told him that 1.5L engines had been installed in some
> > Si models.
> <snip>
>
> that's b.s. the only way this happens is either if the car is
> crashed/stolen parted out, then later rebuilt again with the cheap
> motor, or the d16 blew and a cheapo d15 block was used as replacement.
> whatever the deal, it's /way/ too late to do anything about the person
> that did the work. if you want you can get d16's as jdm replacements
> for not an incredible amount of money. depending on local emissions
> laws, you can maybe get away with a zc motor - some of those are sweet -
> cheap too.

I thought it sounded like BS at the time too. I don't know enough about
the details of the differences between the two engines - do they use the
same block, or is it significantly different?

And yeah, I'm certainly not expecting to have any recourse at this late
date other than never patronizing that dealer again. If I'm going to do
a swap, I'm inclined to go for a B16 for a significant power boost. But
as you're probably well aware, a B16 transplant isn't nearly as easy a
bolt-in as a ZC - off the top of my head, you need new motor mounts, new
axles, a wiring subharness to connect the VTEC controller, a new ECU, a
new gauge cluster, and a new AC bracket (where I live, not having AC in
the summer is a significant problem, so I need to keep it functioning).
That's probably at least $2K in parts before you even get started on the
labor to install everything. Hence my earlier comment about trying to
find another CRX that's already had a B16 professionally installed.

Dave

Re: My Si has a DX motor!
 

In article <epa7d1$s13$6@news.datemas.de>, jlavigne@hits-buffalo.com
says...

> If you're not getting the larger engine, you're not getting an Si. The Si
> is the performance package.
>
> If I would have found a 1.6L under the hood of my Si, instead of the 2.0L
> it is advertised as, you can damn well believe the car would have been
> back at the dealer right away.
>
> This person doesn't have such recourse, likely, due to the age of the car,
> and the time since it was purchased, but I'd still be mad as hell.

I don't think it's a case of simply rebadging a DX as an Si, unless
someone grafted all of the Si suspension and braking upgrades on as well
- Sis had 4-wheel discs in 1990, and AFAIK 4-wheel discs were unique to
the Si in the CRX model range.

And yeah, to say that I'm a bit chapped is probably an understatement.
This should've been disclosed by the dealer.

Dave

Re: My Si has a DX motor!
 

In article <epa7d1$s13$6@news.datemas.de>, jlavigne@hits-buffalo.com
says...

> If you're not getting the larger engine, you're not getting an Si. The Si
> is the performance package.
>
> If I would have found a 1.6L under the hood of my Si, instead of the 2.0L
> it is advertised as, you can damn well believe the car would have been
> back at the dealer right away.
>
> This person doesn't have such recourse, likely, due to the age of the car,
> and the time since it was purchased, but I'd still be mad as hell.

I don't think it's a case of simply rebadging a DX as an Si, unless
someone grafted all of the Si suspension and braking upgrades on as well
- Sis had 4-wheel discs in 1990, and AFAIK 4-wheel discs were unique to
the Si in the CRX model range.

And yeah, to say that I'm a bit chapped is probably an understatement.
This should've been disclosed by the dealer.

Dave

Re: My Si has a DX motor!
 

In article <epa7d1$s13$6@news.datemas.de>, jlavigne@hits-buffalo.com
says...

> If you're not getting the larger engine, you're not getting an Si. The Si
> is the performance package.
>
> If I would have found a 1.6L under the hood of my Si, instead of the 2.0L
> it is advertised as, you can damn well believe the car would have been
> back at the dealer right away.
>
> This person doesn't have such recourse, likely, due to the age of the car,
> and the time since it was purchased, but I'd still be mad as hell.

I don't think it's a case of simply rebadging a DX as an Si, unless
someone grafted all of the Si suspension and braking upgrades on as well
- Sis had 4-wheel discs in 1990, and AFAIK 4-wheel discs were unique to
the Si in the CRX model range.

And yeah, to say that I'm a bit chapped is probably an understatement.
This should've been disclosed by the dealer.

Dave

Re: My Si has a DX motor!
 

In article <epa7d1$s13$6@news.datemas.de>, jlavigne@hits-buffalo.com
says...

> If you're not getting the larger engine, you're not getting an Si. The Si
> is the performance package.
>
> If I would have found a 1.6L under the hood of my Si, instead of the 2.0L
> it is advertised as, you can damn well believe the car would have been
> back at the dealer right away.
>
> This person doesn't have such recourse, likely, due to the age of the car,
> and the time since it was purchased, but I'd still be mad as hell.

I don't think it's a case of simply rebadging a DX as an Si, unless
someone grafted all of the Si suspension and braking upgrades on as well
- Sis had 4-wheel discs in 1990, and AFAIK 4-wheel discs were unique to
the Si in the CRX model range.

And yeah, to say that I'm a bit chapped is probably an understatement.
This should've been disclosed by the dealer.

Dave