Randy

The rear tire of our 1995 Honda Civic has a leak. In about a week, the
pressure goes from 30 psi to just about nothing. But I can't find the
leak.

The Honda dealer checked all 4 tires and declared that none leak. But
still, after a week, the rear tire is flat.

Today I checked it myself with soapy water. No bubbles. I removed the
wheel from the car and now it is in our bathtub upstairs and there are
STILL no bubbles.

How can this be? Any ideas?

R.

Elliot Richmond

On Fri, 30 Dec 2005 18:42:58 GMT, Randy <Randy@fake.com> wrote:

>The rear tire of our 1995 Honda Civic has a leak. In about a week, the
>pressure goes from 30 psi to just about nothing. But I can't find the
>leak.
>
>The Honda dealer checked all 4 tires and declared that none leak. But
>still, after a week, the rear tire is flat.
>
>Today I checked it myself with soapy water. No bubbles. I removed the
>wheel from the car and now it is in our bathtub upstairs and there are
>STILL no bubbles.
>
>How can this be? Any ideas?

Well, Elle wants me to always mention Tegger's useful website, so here
it is

http://www.tegger.com/hondafaq/faq.html

I could not find anything there about leaky tires, so drawing on my
own experience I would suggest two possibilities:

1. The tire bead is not properly seated. Off the car, the tire does
not leak, but on the car, as the tire flexes in normal driving, air
escapes. Causes could be a bent or damaged rim, or just a bad tire, or
dirt under the bead, etc. Dismounting the tire and examining the rim
would reveal any damage.

2. The rim itself could be leaking. You say you have the tire in the
bathtub, but is the rim submerged? Modern alloy rims cast as one
piece rarely leak, but steel rims sometimes do. I once long ago had a
steel rim that actially had a small pinhole (manufacturing defect, I
guess). Silver solder fixed that rim.

3. The valve stem could be leaking, around the base or through the
valve itself. If you have not already checked to see if the stem is
leaking (submerged?) this would be my recommendation as the first
place to look. But you have probably already checked it.

Hope this helps

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Jason

In article <rrvar195avkbhtaq9omlgigkm40cnnj4ob@4ax.com>, Randy
<Randy@fake.com> wrote:

> The rear tire of our 1995 Honda Civic has a leak. In about a week, the
> pressure goes from 30 psi to just about nothing. But I can't find the
> leak.
>
> The Honda dealer checked all 4 tires and declared that none leak. But
> still, after a week, the rear tire is flat.
>
> Today I checked it myself with soapy water. No bubbles. I removed the
> wheel from the car and now it is in our bathtub upstairs and there are
> STILL no bubbles.
>
> How can this be? Any ideas?
>
> R.

It may be a poor seal. I once had a rim that was very slightly bent as a
result of running over something in the road. You could not tell that the
rim was bent. However, the tire kept losing air--slow leak. There was
nothing wrong with the tire. They were still making use of intertubes at
that time so I told them to use an intertube inside the tire. It solved
the problem. I don't believe that they still make or sell intertube. In
some cases, the tire is the problem and in other cases--the rim is the
problem. If it is a poor seal between the rim and tire--perhaps you could
try making use of a can of solution that might be called "stop leak" or
something like that. They probably sell it at tire shops and auto shops
like NAPA. Perhaps someone that drives the car ran over something in the
road and did not tell you about it.
Jason

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Stewart DIBBS

"Randy" <Randy@fake.com> wrote in message
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> The rear tire of our 1995 Honda Civic has a leak. In about a week, the
> pressure goes from 30 psi to just about nothing.

Either the rim-bead seal is leaking, or you have small hole in the tread or
more likely the wall. As the tire flexes, the hole opens up and lets out
pressure. Just standing still (unless in just thr right place to open the
hole) won't leak.
Happened to me last year.

Have the tire remounted and inspected inside and out.

Stewart DIBBS

Jim Yanik

Elliot Richmond <xmrichmond@xaustin.xrr.xcom> wrote in
news:tq4br1progie7raqkbm2315aiq4ua5oskc@4ax.com:

> 2. The rim itself could be leaking. You say you have the tire in the
> bathtub, but is the rim submerged? Modern alloy rims cast as one
> piece rarely leak,

alloy rims can crack and leak,or become porous.

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Erik

In article <rrvar195avkbhtaq9omlgigkm40cnnj4ob@4ax.com>,
Randy <Randy@fake.com> wrote:

> The rear tire of our 1995 Honda Civic has a leak. In about a week, the
> pressure goes from 30 psi to just about nothing. But I can't find the
> leak.
>
> The Honda dealer checked all 4 tires and declared that none leak. But
> still, after a week, the rear tire is flat.
>
> Today I checked it myself with soapy water. No bubbles. I removed the
> wheel from the car and now it is in our bathtub upstairs and there are
> STILL no bubbles.
>
> How can this be? Any ideas?
>
> R.

A lot of good suggestions here.

Another possibility is a cracked valve stem. Centrifugal and inertial
forces flex the stem all over the place at road speeds. I'd try bubble
checking again while flexing the stem around with your fingers.

It's not all that common, but I've seen a couple of these through the
years. If I'm right, it's an easy fix for your local tire shop. You
really should have them re-balance it too. Insist they install a 'long'
stem if hubcap/air chuck interference is an issue. It's also a good idea
to always get new stems whenever you buy tires...

Good Luck, let us know how it turns out.

Erik