Re: New Honda owner
 

"Dan C" <youmustbejoking@lan.invalid> wrote in message
news:pan.2007.07.14.03.05.09.605016@lan.invalid...
> On Thu, 12 Jul 2007 14:26:10 +0000, E Meyer wrote:
>
>> As far as I know, that is a American-mfr-only feature. Never encountered
>> it
>> on any Japanese cars. Personally, I find it irritating and useless. I
>> would spend some time researching how to disable it if it showed up on
>> any
>> of my cars.
>
> Thanks for your opinion. I find it a useful feature, whether you do or
> not.
>
> --
> "Ubuntu" -- an African word, meaning "Slackware is too hard for me".
>
=================
I test drove a Honda CRV 7-14-07 and it had that feature.
Bill

Re: New Honda owner
 

On Sat, 14 Jul 2007 19:54:19 -0400, Joe LaVigne wrote:

>>> Hey, look, you're just as much of an here as you are in the
>>> Ubuntu group... If you'd have bothered to look, I followed up
>>> directly to that post, and was the only one here who tried to actually
>>> address your question.

>> Yep, I saw your second reply later, after I saw/replied to the first
>> one. As for "addressing my question", you were completely wrong with
>> your answer, so it doesn't count for much.

>>> What a douche...

>> Yeah. Namecalling. Who's the , again?

> Past experience is clear on this, you are a clear winner here, Danny
> Boy...

Right. Sure. Let's try to stick to the facts, shall we? In the last few
messages here, you've called me an "", a "douche", and now a
condescending nickname. What have I said to you, other than pointing out
that your answer was wrong...?

It's quite clear who the "winner" is. Thanks for playing. Buh-bye.


--
"Ubuntu" -- an African word, meaning "Slackware is too hard for me".

Re: New Honda owner
 

On Sat, 14 Jul 2007 19:54:19 -0400, Joe LaVigne wrote:

>>> Hey, look, you're just as much of an here as you are in the
>>> Ubuntu group... If you'd have bothered to look, I followed up
>>> directly to that post, and was the only one here who tried to actually
>>> address your question.

>> Yep, I saw your second reply later, after I saw/replied to the first
>> one. As for "addressing my question", you were completely wrong with
>> your answer, so it doesn't count for much.

>>> What a douche...

>> Yeah. Namecalling. Who's the , again?

> Past experience is clear on this, you are a clear winner here, Danny
> Boy...

Right. Sure. Let's try to stick to the facts, shall we? In the last few
messages here, you've called me an "", a "douche", and now a
condescending nickname. What have I said to you, other than pointing out
that your answer was wrong...?

It's quite clear who the "winner" is. Thanks for playing. Buh-bye.


--
"Ubuntu" -- an African word, meaning "Slackware is too hard for me".

Re: New Honda owner
 

On Sat, 14 Jul 2007 19:54:19 -0400, Joe LaVigne wrote:

>>> Hey, look, you're just as much of an here as you are in the
>>> Ubuntu group... If you'd have bothered to look, I followed up
>>> directly to that post, and was the only one here who tried to actually
>>> address your question.

>> Yep, I saw your second reply later, after I saw/replied to the first
>> one. As for "addressing my question", you were completely wrong with
>> your answer, so it doesn't count for much.

>>> What a douche...

>> Yeah. Namecalling. Who's the , again?

> Past experience is clear on this, you are a clear winner here, Danny
> Boy...

Right. Sure. Let's try to stick to the facts, shall we? In the last few
messages here, you've called me an "", a "douche", and now a
condescending nickname. What have I said to you, other than pointing out
that your answer was wrong...?

It's quite clear who the "winner" is. Thanks for playing. Buh-bye.


--
"Ubuntu" -- an African word, meaning "Slackware is too hard for me".

Re: New Honda owner
 

On Sat, 14 Jul 2007 05:35:20 -0700, Michael Pardee wrote:

>>I got the same reply when I asked about 2007 Accord Navi beeping every 12
>>seconds."Did you read the manual that came with your toy"?
>> Of course I did.That is the reason I am asking this newsgroup.Maybe I
>> missed something and am looking for additional info.
>
> It was an honest question; a lot of people don't check the manual.


When i was working Tech Support, the group leader suggested the first
question I asked was, "Is it plugged in?". I said, "C'mon!" She said,
you'd be surprised.

Imagine my surprise when the first call I got where the unit was
completely inoperable. No lights, no little start-up dance when the button
was pushed, etc. My gut reaction was, "Did you check the fuse", but I gave
it a millisecond and said, "Is the unit plugged it?"

"Uh...thanks for your time! <CLICK>"

Re: New Honda owner
 

On Sat, 14 Jul 2007 05:35:20 -0700, Michael Pardee wrote:

>>I got the same reply when I asked about 2007 Accord Navi beeping every 12
>>seconds."Did you read the manual that came with your toy"?
>> Of course I did.That is the reason I am asking this newsgroup.Maybe I
>> missed something and am looking for additional info.
>
> It was an honest question; a lot of people don't check the manual.


When i was working Tech Support, the group leader suggested the first
question I asked was, "Is it plugged in?". I said, "C'mon!" She said,
you'd be surprised.

Imagine my surprise when the first call I got where the unit was
completely inoperable. No lights, no little start-up dance when the button
was pushed, etc. My gut reaction was, "Did you check the fuse", but I gave
it a millisecond and said, "Is the unit plugged it?"

"Uh...thanks for your time! <CLICK>"

Re: New Honda owner
 

On Sat, 14 Jul 2007 05:35:20 -0700, Michael Pardee wrote:

>>I got the same reply when I asked about 2007 Accord Navi beeping every 12
>>seconds."Did you read the manual that came with your toy"?
>> Of course I did.That is the reason I am asking this newsgroup.Maybe I
>> missed something and am looking for additional info.
>
> It was an honest question; a lot of people don't check the manual.


When i was working Tech Support, the group leader suggested the first
question I asked was, "Is it plugged in?". I said, "C'mon!" She said,
you'd be surprised.

Imagine my surprise when the first call I got where the unit was
completely inoperable. No lights, no little start-up dance when the button
was pushed, etc. My gut reaction was, "Did you check the fuse", but I gave
it a millisecond and said, "Is the unit plugged it?"

"Uh...thanks for your time! <CLICK>"

Re: New Honda owner
 

On Sat, 14 Jul 2007 16:27:36 -0700, "Michael Pardee"
<michaeltnull@cybertrails.com> wrote:

>"Dan C" <youmustbejoking@lan.invalid> wrote in message
>news:pan.2007.07.14.22.07.28.495892@lan.invalid.. .
>>
>> As for breaking into the car, it's not very difficult to break a window,
>> especially for well-equipped emergency personnel.
>>
>
>I am one of those pathetically prepared people who are always mindful of
>such things.

On a recent Mythbusters episode, the crew thoroughly tested several
myths about submerged cars, windows, etc. Among other things they
found was that a power window unit continued to work for 45 minutes
after the door was submerged. That surprised me. One other
interesting thing they found was that those emergency hammer gadgets
you sometimes see advertised on cable that are supposed to break
windows actually work exactly as advertised. The hammer head is a
sharpened cone. Even under water, bashing the side window with one of
the things caused the window to disintegrate into little cubes of
glass.

http://www.lifehammer.com/


Elliot Richmond
Itinerant astronomy teacher

Re: New Honda owner
 

On Sat, 14 Jul 2007 16:27:36 -0700, "Michael Pardee"
<michaeltnull@cybertrails.com> wrote:

>"Dan C" <youmustbejoking@lan.invalid> wrote in message
>news:pan.2007.07.14.22.07.28.495892@lan.invalid.. .
>>
>> As for breaking into the car, it's not very difficult to break a window,
>> especially for well-equipped emergency personnel.
>>
>
>I am one of those pathetically prepared people who are always mindful of
>such things.

On a recent Mythbusters episode, the crew thoroughly tested several
myths about submerged cars, windows, etc. Among other things they
found was that a power window unit continued to work for 45 minutes
after the door was submerged. That surprised me. One other
interesting thing they found was that those emergency hammer gadgets
you sometimes see advertised on cable that are supposed to break
windows actually work exactly as advertised. The hammer head is a
sharpened cone. Even under water, bashing the side window with one of
the things caused the window to disintegrate into little cubes of
glass.

http://www.lifehammer.com/


Elliot Richmond
Itinerant astronomy teacher

Re: New Honda owner
 

On Sat, 14 Jul 2007 16:27:36 -0700, "Michael Pardee"
<michaeltnull@cybertrails.com> wrote:

>"Dan C" <youmustbejoking@lan.invalid> wrote in message
>news:pan.2007.07.14.22.07.28.495892@lan.invalid.. .
>>
>> As for breaking into the car, it's not very difficult to break a window,
>> especially for well-equipped emergency personnel.
>>
>
>I am one of those pathetically prepared people who are always mindful of
>such things.

On a recent Mythbusters episode, the crew thoroughly tested several
myths about submerged cars, windows, etc. Among other things they
found was that a power window unit continued to work for 45 minutes
after the door was submerged. That surprised me. One other
interesting thing they found was that those emergency hammer gadgets
you sometimes see advertised on cable that are supposed to break
windows actually work exactly as advertised. The hammer head is a
sharpened cone. Even under water, bashing the side window with one of
the things caused the window to disintegrate into little cubes of
glass.

http://www.lifehammer.com/


Elliot Richmond
Itinerant astronomy teacher

Re: New Honda owner
 

"Elliot Richmond" <xmrichmond@xaustin.xrr.xcom> wrote in message
news:h86j939pi0l5545gbh6k7oct22nhfp82dr@4ax.com...
> On Sat, 14 Jul 2007 16:27:36 -0700, "Michael Pardee"
> <michaeltnull@cybertrails.com> wrote:
>
>>I am one of those pathetically prepared people who are always mindful of
>>such things.
>
> On a recent Mythbusters episode, the crew thoroughly tested several
> myths about submerged cars, windows, etc. Among other things they
> found was that a power window unit continued to work for 45 minutes
> after the door was submerged. That surprised me. One other
> interesting thing they found was that those emergency hammer gadgets
> you sometimes see advertised on cable that are supposed to break
> windows actually work exactly as advertised. The hammer head is a
> sharpened cone. Even under water, bashing the side window with one of
> the things caused the window to disintegrate into little cubes of
> glass.
>
> http://www.lifehammer.com/
>
>
> Elliot Richmond
> Itinerant astronomy teacher
>

Those devices have actually been a normal tool for at least as long as I
have been working - back in the '70s when I had to do simple metalwork an
automatic center punch http://tinyurl.com/2ptt5x was indispensible. I don't
have one any more, though - I don't like metalwork!

As long as the battery isn't damaged the power windows (and locks, if the
controller hasn't wigged out) should continue to work for some time when
submerged. Even ocean water isn't a great conductor compared to the
admittance of a window motor.

Mike

Re: New Honda owner
 

"Elliot Richmond" <xmrichmond@xaustin.xrr.xcom> wrote in message
news:h86j939pi0l5545gbh6k7oct22nhfp82dr@4ax.com...
> On Sat, 14 Jul 2007 16:27:36 -0700, "Michael Pardee"
> <michaeltnull@cybertrails.com> wrote:
>
>>I am one of those pathetically prepared people who are always mindful of
>>such things.
>
> On a recent Mythbusters episode, the crew thoroughly tested several
> myths about submerged cars, windows, etc. Among other things they
> found was that a power window unit continued to work for 45 minutes
> after the door was submerged. That surprised me. One other
> interesting thing they found was that those emergency hammer gadgets
> you sometimes see advertised on cable that are supposed to break
> windows actually work exactly as advertised. The hammer head is a
> sharpened cone. Even under water, bashing the side window with one of
> the things caused the window to disintegrate into little cubes of
> glass.
>
> http://www.lifehammer.com/
>
>
> Elliot Richmond
> Itinerant astronomy teacher
>

Those devices have actually been a normal tool for at least as long as I
have been working - back in the '70s when I had to do simple metalwork an
automatic center punch http://tinyurl.com/2ptt5x was indispensible. I don't
have one any more, though - I don't like metalwork!

As long as the battery isn't damaged the power windows (and locks, if the
controller hasn't wigged out) should continue to work for some time when
submerged. Even ocean water isn't a great conductor compared to the
admittance of a window motor.

Mike

Re: New Honda owner
 

"Elliot Richmond" <xmrichmond@xaustin.xrr.xcom> wrote in message
news:h86j939pi0l5545gbh6k7oct22nhfp82dr@4ax.com...
> On Sat, 14 Jul 2007 16:27:36 -0700, "Michael Pardee"
> <michaeltnull@cybertrails.com> wrote:
>
>>I am one of those pathetically prepared people who are always mindful of
>>such things.
>
> On a recent Mythbusters episode, the crew thoroughly tested several
> myths about submerged cars, windows, etc. Among other things they
> found was that a power window unit continued to work for 45 minutes
> after the door was submerged. That surprised me. One other
> interesting thing they found was that those emergency hammer gadgets
> you sometimes see advertised on cable that are supposed to break
> windows actually work exactly as advertised. The hammer head is a
> sharpened cone. Even under water, bashing the side window with one of
> the things caused the window to disintegrate into little cubes of
> glass.
>
> http://www.lifehammer.com/
>
>
> Elliot Richmond
> Itinerant astronomy teacher
>

Those devices have actually been a normal tool for at least as long as I
have been working - back in the '70s when I had to do simple metalwork an
automatic center punch http://tinyurl.com/2ptt5x was indispensible. I don't
have one any more, though - I don't like metalwork!

As long as the battery isn't damaged the power windows (and locks, if the
controller hasn't wigged out) should continue to work for some time when
submerged. Even ocean water isn't a great conductor compared to the
admittance of a window motor.

Mike

Re: New Honda owner
 

"Hachiroku ????" <Trueno@AE86.gts> wrote in message
news:C6gmi.4065$7R4.2197@trndny09...
> On Sat, 14 Jul 2007 05:35:20 -0700, Michael Pardee wrote:
>
>>>I got the same reply when I asked about 2007 Accord Navi beeping every 12
>>>seconds."Did you read the manual that came with your toy"?
>>> Of course I did.That is the reason I am asking this newsgroup.Maybe I
>>> missed something and am looking for additional info.
>>
>> It was an honest question; a lot of people don't check the manual.
>
>
> When i was working Tech Support, the group leader suggested the first
> question I asked was, "Is it plugged in?". I said, "C'mon!" She said,
> you'd be surprised.
>
> Imagine my surprise when the first call I got where the unit was
> completely inoperable. No lights, no little start-up dance when the button
> was pushed, etc. My gut reaction was, "Did you check the fuse", but I gave
> it a millisecond and said, "Is the unit plugged it?"
>
> "Uh...thanks for your time! <CLICK>"
>
>
True confession time! I work in IS field services for a large company, and
one day my desktop wouldn't power up. Huh. I checked the power strip to
ensure the socket was live and followed procedure, calling the support desk
so a ticket would be assigned to me so I could get a power supply... you get
the idea. The first question the support tech asked was if the computer was
plugged in, and I dutifully answered yes. Then he asked if the socket had
power and I said yes. Then he asked if the power switch on the back was in
the "on" position and it dawned on me I had left it off after fiddling with
something the previous day. I swear I could feel the jackass ears growing
just like in the Bugs Bunny cartoons.

Mike

Re: New Honda owner
 

"Hachiroku ????" <Trueno@AE86.gts> wrote in message
news:C6gmi.4065$7R4.2197@trndny09...
> On Sat, 14 Jul 2007 05:35:20 -0700, Michael Pardee wrote:
>
>>>I got the same reply when I asked about 2007 Accord Navi beeping every 12
>>>seconds."Did you read the manual that came with your toy"?
>>> Of course I did.That is the reason I am asking this newsgroup.Maybe I
>>> missed something and am looking for additional info.
>>
>> It was an honest question; a lot of people don't check the manual.
>
>
> When i was working Tech Support, the group leader suggested the first
> question I asked was, "Is it plugged in?". I said, "C'mon!" She said,
> you'd be surprised.
>
> Imagine my surprise when the first call I got where the unit was
> completely inoperable. No lights, no little start-up dance when the button
> was pushed, etc. My gut reaction was, "Did you check the fuse", but I gave
> it a millisecond and said, "Is the unit plugged it?"
>
> "Uh...thanks for your time! <CLICK>"
>
>
True confession time! I work in IS field services for a large company, and
one day my desktop wouldn't power up. Huh. I checked the power strip to
ensure the socket was live and followed procedure, calling the support desk
so a ticket would be assigned to me so I could get a power supply... you get
the idea. The first question the support tech asked was if the computer was
plugged in, and I dutifully answered yes. Then he asked if the socket had
power and I said yes. Then he asked if the power switch on the back was in
the "on" position and it dawned on me I had left it off after fiddling with
something the previous day. I swear I could feel the jackass ears growing
just like in the Bugs Bunny cartoons.

Mike