New tires on 98 Accord LX - Do I need an alignment?
 

I bought 4 new BF Goodrich tires for my 98 Accord LX 5-speed with
75,000 miles. The cars is very quiet now and very smooth. The guys at
Costco told me to get an alignment and they implied it would protect my
tire warranty. They said get an alignment every year. I think I have
had one alignment since new.

I am wondering if I really need one. There is zero vibration or shimmy
in the steering wheel.

If I take my hands off the wheel, (hold them an inch away from the
wheel & when no cars are around) the cars drives totally straight and
the wheel do not vibrate or anything.

The tires have a 60,000 mile warranty, 500 rating and Costco provides
free rotation, road hazard the works.

Re: New tires on 98 Accord LX - Do I need an alignment?
 

Tom Jackson wrote:
> I bought 4 new BF Goodrich tires for my 98 Accord LX 5-speed with
> 75,000 miles. The cars is very quiet now and very smooth. The guys at
> Costco told me to get an alignment and they implied it would protect my
> tire warranty. They said get an alignment every year. I think I have
> had one alignment since new.
>
> I am wondering if I really need one. There is zero vibration or shimmy
> in the steering wheel.
>
> If I take my hands off the wheel, (hold them an inch away from the
> wheel & when no cars are around) the cars drives totally straight and
> the wheel do not vibrate or anything.
>
> The tires have a 60,000 mile warranty, 500 rating and Costco provides
> free rotation, road hazard the works.
>
what was the wear pattern on the old tires?

Re: New tires on 98 Accord LX - Do I need an alignment?
 

Tom Jackson wrote:
> I bought 4 new BF Goodrich tires for my 98 Accord LX 5-speed with
> 75,000 miles. The cars is very quiet now and very smooth. The guys at
> Costco told me to get an alignment and they implied it would protect my
> tire warranty. They said get an alignment every year. I think I have
> had one alignment since new.

did they notice abnormal wear on the old tires to the inboard or
outboard sides? they dont do alignments, so thats the only reason i can
think of that theyd tell you something like that.
>
> I am wondering if I really need one. There is zero vibration or shimmy
> in the steering wheel.

dont need one, unless you notice uneven wear, or pulling to one side.
>
> If I take my hands off the wheel, (hold them an inch away from the
> wheel & when no cars are around) the cars drives totally straight and
> the wheel do not vibrate or anything.
>
> The tires have a 60,000 mile warranty, 500 rating and Costco provides
> free rotation, road hazard the works.
>
costco will warrant the tires regardless of if you align the car or not.

Re: New tires on 98 Accord LX - Do I need an alignment?
 

Tom Jackson wrote:
>
> I bought 4 new BF Goodrich tires for my 98 Accord LX 5-speed with
> 75,000 miles. The cars is very quiet now and very smooth. The guys at
> Costco told me to get an alignment and they implied it would protect my
> tire warranty. They said get an alignment every year. I think I have
> had one alignment since new.
>
> I am wondering if I really need one. There is zero vibration or shimmy
> in the steering wheel.
>
> If I take my hands off the wheel, (hold them an inch away from the
> wheel & when no cars are around) the cars drives totally straight and
> the wheel do not vibrate or anything.
>
> The tires have a 60,000 mile warranty, 500 rating and Costco provides
> free rotation, road hazard the works.

Some shops have a computerized slide slip meter that they can drive the car
over which senses how many feet per mile the tires are pulling sideways.
This test will help to determine if you really need an alignment. Call
around to a few different shops in your area. One shop that I know of will
do the test for free since it only takes a minute or two.

By the way, an alignment per year sounds excessive. The best thing you can
do for your tires is to keep them properly inflated to the car's recommended
pressure. Also check for unusual wear patterns and get them rotated front
to back regularly. I do mine at every other oil change. I also bought
tires at Costco, but I won't let them rotate the tires any more since they
messed up one of my lugnuts (just about the only way to mess up the threads
on a lugnut is to start the threads with the nut in your air tool instead of
by hand and people making this type of mistake are usually found in a high
school shop class or they belong there).

Eric

Re: New tires on 98 Accord LX - Do I need an alignment?
 

"Tom Jackson" <Ark321@juno.com> wrote in message
news:1140409226.138559.265550@g43g2000cwa.googlegr oups.com...
>I bought 4 new BF Goodrich tires for my 98 Accord LX 5-speed with
> 75,000 miles. The cars is very quiet now and very smooth. The guys at
> Costco told me to get an alignment and they implied it would protect my
> tire warranty. They said get an alignment every year. I think I have
> had one alignment since new.
>
> I am wondering if I really need one. There is zero vibration or shimmy
> in the steering wheel.
>
> If I take my hands off the wheel, (hold them an inch away from the
> wheel & when no cars are around) the cars drives totally straight and
> the wheel do not vibrate or anything.
>
> The tires have a 60,000 mile warranty, 500 rating and Costco provides
> free rotation, road hazard the works.
>
The shadetree trick to check whether you need alignment to prevent tire
wear: stick strips of masking tape across the treads of the front tires from
sidewall to sidewall and find a reasonably straight stretch of road to drive
for a mile or so. Pull over and look at the tape. If it is worn evenly on
the inside and outside edges, roughly matching the wear in the center, you
are wearing okay. If the inside or outside edges are more worn you need an
alignment.

If you haven't had anything replaced in the front end and the steering wheel
sits straight when you drive the alignment is probably okay. It's rare for
the alignment to be "knocked out" by a big bump without affecting one side
more than the other and so making the steering off-center.

Mike

Re: New tires on 98 Accord LX - Do I need an alignment?
 

I paid about $45 for a four wheel alignment at a Firestone dealer after
popping for a set of Bridgestones. The alignment was way off om my 2001
Accord V6-EX with about 45K. Spring for the alignment.

Re: New tires on 98 Accord LX - Do I need an alignment?
 

The wear [attern looked pretty normal. No excessive wear on either
side (inboard or outboard) of the front or rear tires.

BTW - is anyone here able to get more than 25,000 miles on a set of
tires? I did once on a new 1984 VW Scirocco with excellent (French)
Uniroyal HRs.

Thanks guys.

Re: New tires on 98 Accord LX - Do I need an alignment?
 

Have 194K on a 97 accord - no alignment since purchase - tire wear is
even - so if your tire wear is even - you don't need one. Also check
tirerack.com for recommendations on tire brands - BF Goodrich is not a
stellar choice IMHO.

Re: New tires on 98 Accord LX - Do I need an alignment?
 

In article <1140409226.138559.265550@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups .com>,
Ark321@juno.com says...

>I bought 4 new BF Goodrich tires for my 98 Accord LX 5-speed with
>75,000 miles. The cars is very quiet now and very smooth. The guys at
>Costco told me to get an alignment and they implied it would protect my
>tire warranty. They said get an alignment every year. I think I have
>had one alignment since new.
>I am wondering if I really need one. There is zero vibration or shimmy
>in the steering wheel.
>If I take my hands off the wheel, (hold them an inch away from the
>wheel & when no cars are around) the cars drives totally straight and
>the wheel do not vibrate or anything.
>The tires have a 60,000 mile warranty, 500 rating and Costco provides
>free rotation, road hazard the works.

sounds odd to me. Costco doesn't do alignments, so it's not like they are
trying to sell you an unecessary service to make more money. Did they refer
you to specific shop? Maybe they are getting a kick back? Unless you are
getting abnormal wear of your tires or the car is pulling to one side, you
don't need to get an alignment.
--------------
Alex

Re: New tires on 98 Accord LX - Do I need an alignment?
 

They did not refer me to any specific shop. There are no auto repair
shops near this Costco location. There is no vibration in the steering
wheel at all, car drives stratight as an arrow and the wear on the old
tires looked normal.

Re: New tires on 98 Accord LX - Do I need an alignment?
 

As much as I hate to admit it Costco is right. An alignment is to tell you
and the tire seller that your car is within specs and should not wear the
tires prematurely. If in 15000 miles you notice the tires have wear on the
inside edge and are now considered unsafe, then the seller may say too bad.
OTOH, if you can prove your car didn't wear out the tires, then your
challenging the tire manufactures mileage warranty.

Firestone offers a lifetime alignment, and using this I have seen several
customers get new tires at 20000 miles because the tires were suppose to
last 40000 AND because they were in every 6 month or so keeping up on the
alignment the ball was in there court (so to say)

For about 20$ Firestone offers a alignment check.


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"Tom Jackson" <Ark321@juno.com> wrote in message
news:1140470692.923948.278710@g47g2000cwa.googlegr oups.com...
> They did not refer me to any specific shop. There are no auto repair
> shops near this Costco location. There is no vibration in the steering
> wheel at all, car drives stratight as an arrow and the wear on the old
> tires looked normal.
>

Re: New tires on 98 Accord LX - Do I need an alignment?
 

Tom Jackson wrote:
> They did not refer me to any specific shop. There are no auto repair
> shops near this Costco location. There is no vibration in the steering
> wheel at all, car drives stratight as an arrow and the wear on the old
> tires looked normal.
>


skip the alignment. id chalk the talk up to an overeager young tire
monkey trying to sound more knowledgeable than he really is. he probably
drives a mustang that needs an alignment every year :)

Re: New tires on 98 Accord LX - Do I need an alignment?
 

On 2/20/06 12:48 PM, in article dtd2t5$jan$8@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu,
"Alex Rodriguez" <adr5@columbia.edu> wrote:

> In article <1140409226.138559.265550@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups .com>,
> Ark321@juno.com says...
>
>> I bought 4 new BF Goodrich tires for my 98 Accord LX 5-speed with
>> 75,000 miles. The cars is very quiet now and very smooth. The guys at
>> Costco told me to get an alignment and they implied it would protect my
>> tire warranty. They said get an alignment every year. I think I have
>> had one alignment since new.
>> I am wondering if I really need one. There is zero vibration or shimmy
>> in the steering wheel.
>> If I take my hands off the wheel, (hold them an inch away from the
>> wheel & when no cars are around) the cars drives totally straight and
>> the wheel do not vibrate or anything.
>> The tires have a 60,000 mile warranty, 500 rating and Costco provides
>> free rotation, road hazard the works.
>
> sounds odd to me. Costco doesn't do alignments, so it's not like they are
> trying to sell you an unecessary service to make more money. Did they refer
> you to specific shop? Maybe they are getting a kick back? Unless you are
> getting abnormal wear of your tires or the car is pulling to one side, you
> don't need to get an alignment.
> --------------
> Alex
>

I think it must be part of Costco's normal advice. I bought tires there for
my Acura once and they told me I should get an alignment prior to ever
seeing the car. I think it is probably a safe assumption that the vast
majority of cars need an alignment by the time they need tires.

Re: New tires on 98 Accord LX - Do I need an alignment?
 

All tire shops should do this; it is to validate the tire manufactures
mileage warranty-- Don't do it and the tires wear out in 10000 miles, you
could eat the replacement cost; do it then you might get pro rated for the
amount of tires you worn away.



--
Stephen W. Hansen
ASE Certified Master Automobile Technician
ASE Automobile Advanced Engine Performance
ASE Undercar Specialist

http://autorepair.about.com/cs/troub...l_obd_main.htm
http://www.troublecodes.net/technical/

"E Meyer" <epmeyer50@msn.com> wrote in message
news:C020872A.EFF78%epmeyer50@msn.com...
> On 2/20/06 12:48 PM, in article dtd2t5$jan$8@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu,
> "Alex Rodriguez" <adr5@columbia.edu> wrote:
>
>> In article <1140409226.138559.265550@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups .com>,
>> Ark321@juno.com says...
>>
>>> I bought 4 new BF Goodrich tires for my 98 Accord LX 5-speed with
>>> 75,000 miles. The cars is very quiet now and very smooth. The guys at
>>> Costco told me to get an alignment and they implied it would protect my
>>> tire warranty. They said get an alignment every year. I think I have
>>> had one alignment since new.
>>> I am wondering if I really need one. There is zero vibration or shimmy
>>> in the steering wheel.
>>> If I take my hands off the wheel, (hold them an inch away from the
>>> wheel & when no cars are around) the cars drives totally straight and
>>> the wheel do not vibrate or anything.
>>> The tires have a 60,000 mile warranty, 500 rating and Costco provides
>>> free rotation, road hazard the works.
>>
>> sounds odd to me. Costco doesn't do alignments, so it's not like they
>> are
>> trying to sell you an unecessary service to make more money. Did they
>> refer
>> you to specific shop? Maybe they are getting a kick back? Unless you
>> are
>> getting abnormal wear of your tires or the car is pulling to one side,
>> you
>> don't need to get an alignment.
>> --------------
>> Alex
>>
>
> I think it must be part of Costco's normal advice. I bought tires there
> for
> my Acura once and they told me I should get an alignment prior to ever
> seeing the car. I think it is probably a safe assumption that the vast
> majority of cars need an alignment by the time they need tires.
>

Re: New tires on 98 Accord LX - Do I need an alignment?
 

In article <dFyKf.46768$id5.13445@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net>,
hansensw@hotmail.com says...

>As much as I hate to admit it Costco is right. An alignment is to tell you
>and the tire seller that your car is within specs and should not wear the
>tires prematurely.

No they are not. Cars don't spontanteously go out of alignment. If your prior
set of tires wore evenly across the tread, there is no reason to believe you
need to get an alignment just because you bought new tires. It is a waste of
time and money.

>If in 15000 miles you notice the tires have wear on the
>inside edge and are now considered unsafe, then the seller may say too bad.

As it should be since uneven wear is usually caused by something other than a
defective tire.

>OTOH, if you can prove your car didn't wear out the tires, then your
>challenging the tire manufactures mileage warranty.

If you get an alignment when you buy the new tires, it doesn't prove anything
except that the car was properly aligned when you left the garage. You could
hit a pothole that throws your car out of alignment on the way home for the
mechanics.

>Firestone offers a lifetime alignment, and using this I have seen several
>customers get new tires at 20000 miles because the tires were suppose to
>last 40000 AND because they were in every 6 month or so keeping up on the
>alignment the ball was in there court (so to say)

Tires that wear out prematurely becuase of poor alignment are easy to spot
because the wear is uneven. So getting your alignment checked regularly
is not necessary. The lifetime alignment is used by some places to try to
sell you more services. When you bring your car in to get checked, they
always find something else that needs attention.
------------
Alex