Elmo P. Shagnasty

In article <41AF8415.C179DD89@junkmail.com>,
Randolph <trash@junkmail.com> wrote:

> Joe Lang wrote:
>
> > all gasoline has the same energy per volume. always. period.
>
> That is simply not true. Gasoline is a mixture of a large number of
> components, and the mixture varies from grade to grade, station to
> station, week to week and from place to place. One example is that the
> winter formula with extra oxygenates contain several percent less energy
> pr gallon than the summer variety.
>
> Adding ethanol to gasoline will increase the octane rating and decrease
> the energy content.

We'll never hear from "Joe Lang" again.

Joe Lang

ah, if it were only true.
i will gladly take you on with half my brain tied behind my back! it is you
who should perhaps open a book. for the record, this NG and the vw
watercooled NG have been down this road many times before, and there is
always someone who thinks they have it figured out. always. sometimes i
pick a fight. and sometimes i dont have time to educate. but you decide
that you know what you are talking about based on what? your ego?
i would be willing to venture a guess that you have never put in any of the
required study to make the statements that you seem so confident about, but
there you are. just have to take the bait.

so i will gladly educate you, if you ask the right question.

"Elmo P. Shagnasty" <elmop@nastydesigns.com> wrote in message
news:elmop-431A6C.16335302122004@text.usenetserver.com...
> In article <41AF8415.C179DD89@junkmail.com>,
> Randolph <trash@junkmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Joe Lang wrote:
> >
> > > all gasoline has the same energy per volume. always. period.
> >
Randolph wrote

> > That is simply not true. Gasoline is a mixture of a large number of
> > components, and the mixture varies from grade to grade, station to
> > station, week to week and from place to place. One example is that the
> > winter formula with extra oxygenates contain several percent less energy
> > pr gallon than the summer variety.

you are correct in just about everything you say. the gas you buy today
will certainly be different from the gas you buy next week. and it is true
that oxygenates such as MTBE TBA TAME etc will efectively lower the BTU per
gallon. (so my statement needs to read "all gasoline has the same energy
per volume. always. period, except in cases when comparing oxygenated to
normal RFG II". but that is not very elegant at all is it?)

*it is certainly true that all gasoline has the same energy content*. and
all oxygenated gasoline has the same energy content. (MTBE is roughly 7%
oxygen, and since oxygen does not contribute to BTU, gas with MTBE is
effectively "lower power". sometime we can discuss how MTBE has a
relatively HIGH octane value, but that is another topic... strange huh?
high octane, but lower energy... are you paying attention? will elmo
perhaps take the bait? think elmo, think before you hit that reply all
button.)

> > Adding ethanol to gasoline will increase the octane rating and decrease
> > the energy content.

you can add whatever feedstock you want, and at the end of the day the fuel
will be blended to meet RFG II guidance. that is exactly what refinery does
you know. they select from a huge number of variable chemicals based on
price and availability to meet the RFG II requirements, along with local
requirements. wouldnt it be a different situation if Exxon gas had more
energy than Shell gas? maybe if you just contemplate what it is you are
trying to believe you can see the absurdity of your statement.

please please please do not think that octane has anything to do with energy
content (or flame speed or quality or anything other than anti knock
ability.) that is not what octane measures. if it did, i would reccomend
that you exclusively purchase 100 octane aviation fuel. boy, think of the
performance!

> We'll never hear from "Joe Lang" again.

if i dont have anything to add, i usually keep quite kid. a word of advice,
it is better to keep silent and appear ignorant than to post to a NG and
remove all doubt!

Joe Lang

ah, if it were only true.
i will gladly take you on with half my brain tied behind my back! it is you
who should perhaps open a book. for the record, this NG and the vw
watercooled NG have been down this road many times before, and there is
always someone who thinks they have it figured out. always. sometimes i
pick a fight. and sometimes i dont have time to educate. but you decide
that you know what you are talking about based on what? your ego?
i would be willing to venture a guess that you have never put in any of the
required study to make the statements that you seem so confident about, but
there you are. just have to take the bait.

so i will gladly educate you, if you ask the right question.

"Elmo P. Shagnasty" <elmop@nastydesigns.com> wrote in message
news:elmop-431A6C.16335302122004@text.usenetserver.com...
> In article <41AF8415.C179DD89@junkmail.com>,
> Randolph <trash@junkmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Joe Lang wrote:
> >
> > > all gasoline has the same energy per volume. always. period.
> >
Randolph wrote

> > That is simply not true. Gasoline is a mixture of a large number of
> > components, and the mixture varies from grade to grade, station to
> > station, week to week and from place to place. One example is that the
> > winter formula with extra oxygenates contain several percent less energy
> > pr gallon than the summer variety.

you are correct in just about everything you say. the gas you buy today
will certainly be different from the gas you buy next week. and it is true
that oxygenates such as MTBE TBA TAME etc will efectively lower the BTU per
gallon. (so my statement needs to read "all gasoline has the same energy
per volume. always. period, except in cases when comparing oxygenated to
normal RFG II". but that is not very elegant at all is it?)

*it is certainly true that all gasoline has the same energy content*. and
all oxygenated gasoline has the same energy content. (MTBE is roughly 7%
oxygen, and since oxygen does not contribute to BTU, gas with MTBE is
effectively "lower power". sometime we can discuss how MTBE has a
relatively HIGH octane value, but that is another topic... strange huh?
high octane, but lower energy... are you paying attention? will elmo
perhaps take the bait? think elmo, think before you hit that reply all
button.)

> > Adding ethanol to gasoline will increase the octane rating and decrease
> > the energy content.

you can add whatever feedstock you want, and at the end of the day the fuel
will be blended to meet RFG II guidance. that is exactly what refinery does
you know. they select from a huge number of variable chemicals based on
price and availability to meet the RFG II requirements, along with local
requirements. wouldnt it be a different situation if Exxon gas had more
energy than Shell gas? maybe if you just contemplate what it is you are
trying to believe you can see the absurdity of your statement.

please please please do not think that octane has anything to do with energy
content (or flame speed or quality or anything other than anti knock
ability.) that is not what octane measures. if it did, i would reccomend
that you exclusively purchase 100 octane aviation fuel. boy, think of the
performance!

> We'll never hear from "Joe Lang" again.

if i dont have anything to add, i usually keep quite kid. a word of advice,
it is better to keep silent and appear ignorant than to post to a NG and
remove all doubt!

Joe Lang

> Do you dispute this sentence:
>
> "A gasoline with a higher octane rating will produce less BTUs when
> burned than a lower octane gasoline."

YES.

> If you do, then I *know* you're an idiot.

hey, you might think the world is flat too. but you look pretty damn stupid
to anyone who has any idea of what they are talking about. where did you
get this information?

> (For the record: I did not write that sentence. I copied it...)

maybe you might start not believeing everything you read. look, i dont want
to bust your hump, but come on man, im giving you an oppurtunity to learn
about a topic you obviously care about. now try and learn a little so next
time you can have fun when some moron posts bullshit.

Joe Lang

> Do you dispute this sentence:
>
> "A gasoline with a higher octane rating will produce less BTUs when
> burned than a lower octane gasoline."

YES.

> If you do, then I *know* you're an idiot.

hey, you might think the world is flat too. but you look pretty damn stupid
to anyone who has any idea of what they are talking about. where did you
get this information?

> (For the record: I did not write that sentence. I copied it...)

maybe you might start not believeing everything you read. look, i dont want
to bust your hump, but come on man, im giving you an oppurtunity to learn
about a topic you obviously care about. now try and learn a little so next
time you can have fun when some moron posts bullshit.

Dave Kelsen

On 12/2/2004 4:24 PM Joe Lang spake these words of knowledge:

> ah, if it were only true.
> i will gladly take you on with half my brain tied behind my back! it is you
> who should perhaps open a book. for the record, this NG and the vw
> watercooled NG have been down this road many times before, and there is
> always someone who thinks they have it figured out. always. sometimes i
> pick a fight. and sometimes i dont have time to educate. but you decide
> that you know what you are talking about based on what? your ego?
> i would be willing to venture a guess that you have never put in any of the
> required study to make the statements that you seem so confident about, but
> there you are. just have to take the bait.
>
> so i will gladly educate you, if you ask the right question.
>

I'm curious; why do you bother to use periods, and even question marks?


RFT!!!
Dave Kelsen
--
.... If ignorance is bliss, you must be ecstatic.

Dave Kelsen

On 12/2/2004 4:24 PM Joe Lang spake these words of knowledge:

> ah, if it were only true.
> i will gladly take you on with half my brain tied behind my back! it is you
> who should perhaps open a book. for the record, this NG and the vw
> watercooled NG have been down this road many times before, and there is
> always someone who thinks they have it figured out. always. sometimes i
> pick a fight. and sometimes i dont have time to educate. but you decide
> that you know what you are talking about based on what? your ego?
> i would be willing to venture a guess that you have never put in any of the
> required study to make the statements that you seem so confident about, but
> there you are. just have to take the bait.
>
> so i will gladly educate you, if you ask the right question.
>

I'm curious; why do you bother to use periods, and even question marks?


RFT!!!
Dave Kelsen
--
.... If ignorance is bliss, you must be ecstatic.