oxygen sensors
#31
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Re: oxygen sensors
johngdole@hotmail.com wrote:
> but I've had excellent luck
>with them. Especially the planar types, using them to fix cheap Denso
>junk related problems like the P0420 converter efficiency problem (no
>converter replacement necessary).
Wow
I'm having that very same code on my 2000 Mazda
Protege!
Could it be the sensor instead of the converter?
> but I've had excellent luck
>with them. Especially the planar types, using them to fix cheap Denso
>junk related problems like the P0420 converter efficiency problem (no
>converter replacement necessary).
Wow
I'm having that very same code on my 2000 Mazda
Protege!
Could it be the sensor instead of the converter?
#32
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Re: plug wires; bosch, ngk, OEM?
z wrote:
> best replacement plug wires for a B16?
> tia.
I have tried and seen about every aftermarket wire out there over the
years and OEM always wins.
Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
'New' frame in the works for '08. Some Canadian Bush Trip and Build
Photos: http://mikeromainjeeptrips.shutterfly.com
> best replacement plug wires for a B16?
> tia.
I have tried and seen about every aftermarket wire out there over the
years and OEM always wins.
Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
'New' frame in the works for '08. Some Canadian Bush Trip and Build
Photos: http://mikeromainjeeptrips.shutterfly.com
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Re: plug wires; bosch, ngk, OEM?
On Sep 23, 12:35 pm, z <gzuck...@snail-mail.net> wrote:
> best replacement plug wires for a B16?
> tia.
I used Bosch wires on my '84 Scirocco when I tuned it up figuring they
would be acceptable replacements for a German car. They failed within
two months and I had to pay for a costly trip to the mechanic just to
find out that the new plug wires I'd installed were garbage (I
couldn't believe that new parts could fail that quickly...)
nate
> best replacement plug wires for a B16?
> tia.
I used Bosch wires on my '84 Scirocco when I tuned it up figuring they
would be acceptable replacements for a German car. They failed within
two months and I had to pay for a costly trip to the mechanic just to
find out that the new plug wires I'd installed were garbage (I
couldn't believe that new parts could fail that quickly...)
nate
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Re: plug wires; bosch, ngk, OEM?
N8N wrote:
> On Sep 23, 12:35 pm, z <gzuck...@snail-mail.net> wrote:
>> best replacement plug wires for a B16?
>> tia.
>
> I used Bosch wires on my '84 Scirocco when I tuned it up figuring they
> would be acceptable replacements for a German car. They failed within
> two months and I had to pay for a costly trip to the mechanic just to
> find out that the new plug wires I'd installed were garbage (I
> couldn't believe that new parts could fail that quickly...)
>
> nate
I bought fancy expensive Accel wires a few years back and same deal,
they failed first time they got wet. The Bosch wire are a 'discount'
brand at the store I shop at and I wouldn't touch them on my Jeep, I
went back to OEM and am still running them 8 years later.
Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
'New' frame in the works for '08. Some Canadian Bush Trip and Build
Photos: http://mikeromainjeeptrips.shutterfly.com
> On Sep 23, 12:35 pm, z <gzuck...@snail-mail.net> wrote:
>> best replacement plug wires for a B16?
>> tia.
>
> I used Bosch wires on my '84 Scirocco when I tuned it up figuring they
> would be acceptable replacements for a German car. They failed within
> two months and I had to pay for a costly trip to the mechanic just to
> find out that the new plug wires I'd installed were garbage (I
> couldn't believe that new parts could fail that quickly...)
>
> nate
I bought fancy expensive Accel wires a few years back and same deal,
they failed first time they got wet. The Bosch wire are a 'discount'
brand at the store I shop at and I wouldn't touch them on my Jeep, I
went back to OEM and am still running them 8 years later.
Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
'New' frame in the works for '08. Some Canadian Bush Trip and Build
Photos: http://mikeromainjeeptrips.shutterfly.com
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Re: b16 $park plug$
z <gzuckier@snail-mail.net> wrote in news:51e983b0-af15-4dae-9c79-
1f01c0d4fea9@y21g2000hsf.googlegroups.com:
> why in the world are the b16 plugs $12+ each? aren't the D16 plugs
> also platinum etc.etc?
>
You don't need platinums for the B16.
The '90 CRX used the B16A1 engine. OEM specified plugs for that engine are
the non-platinum:
NGK BKR6E-N11
and
ND (Denso) K20PR-L11
You should pay around 3 or 4 bucks each for them.
--
Tegger
1f01c0d4fea9@y21g2000hsf.googlegroups.com:
> why in the world are the b16 plugs $12+ each? aren't the D16 plugs
> also platinum etc.etc?
>
You don't need platinums for the B16.
The '90 CRX used the B16A1 engine. OEM specified plugs for that engine are
the non-platinum:
NGK BKR6E-N11
and
ND (Denso) K20PR-L11
You should pay around 3 or 4 bucks each for them.
--
Tegger
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Re: b16 $park plug$
On Sep 30, 10:07 pm, Tegger <inva...@invalid.inv> wrote:
> z <gzuck...@snail-mail.net> wrote in news:51e983b0-af15-4dae-9c79-
> 1f01c0d4f...@y21g2000hsf.googlegroups.com:
>
> > why in the world are the b16 plugs $12+ each? aren't the D16 plugs
> > also platinum etc.etc?
>
> You don't need platinums for the B16.
>
> The '90 CRX used the B16A1 engine. OEM specified plugs for that engine are
> the non-platinum:
> NGK BKR6E-N11
> and
> ND (Denso) K20PR-L11
>
> You should pay around 3 or 4 bucks each for them.
>
> --
> Tegger
but either of those are like $12 each at majestic honda online! d16
plugs are like $1.50. lordy.
> z <gzuck...@snail-mail.net> wrote in news:51e983b0-af15-4dae-9c79-
> 1f01c0d4f...@y21g2000hsf.googlegroups.com:
>
> > why in the world are the b16 plugs $12+ each? aren't the D16 plugs
> > also platinum etc.etc?
>
> You don't need platinums for the B16.
>
> The '90 CRX used the B16A1 engine. OEM specified plugs for that engine are
> the non-platinum:
> NGK BKR6E-N11
> and
> ND (Denso) K20PR-L11
>
> You should pay around 3 or 4 bucks each for them.
>
> --
> Tegger
but either of those are like $12 each at majestic honda online! d16
plugs are like $1.50. lordy.
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Re: b16 $park plug$
z <gzuckier@snail-mail.net> wrote in
news:9c5e726c-8ab9-442d-89ef-2baaef09e226@u65g2000hsc.googlegroups.com:
> On Sep 30, 10:07 pm, Tegger <inva...@invalid.inv> wrote:
>> z <gzuck...@snail-mail.net> wrote in news:51e983b0-af15-4dae-9c79-
>> 1f01c0d4f...@y21g2000hsf.googlegroups.com:
>>
>> > why in the world are the b16 plugs $12+ each? aren't the D16 plugs
>> > also platinum etc.etc?
>>
>> You don't need platinums for the B16.
>>
>> The '90 CRX used the B16A1 engine. OEM specified plugs for that
>> engine ar
> e
>> the non-platinum:
>> NGK BKR6E-N11
>> and
>> ND (Denso) K20PR-L11
>>
>> You should pay around 3 or 4 bucks each for them.
>>
>>
>>
>
> but either of those are like $12 each at majestic honda online! d16
> plugs are like $1.50. lordy.
>
What are the brands and part numbers you're being quoted for each type?
--
Tegger
news:9c5e726c-8ab9-442d-89ef-2baaef09e226@u65g2000hsc.googlegroups.com:
> On Sep 30, 10:07 pm, Tegger <inva...@invalid.inv> wrote:
>> z <gzuck...@snail-mail.net> wrote in news:51e983b0-af15-4dae-9c79-
>> 1f01c0d4f...@y21g2000hsf.googlegroups.com:
>>
>> > why in the world are the b16 plugs $12+ each? aren't the D16 plugs
>> > also platinum etc.etc?
>>
>> You don't need platinums for the B16.
>>
>> The '90 CRX used the B16A1 engine. OEM specified plugs for that
>> engine ar
> e
>> the non-platinum:
>> NGK BKR6E-N11
>> and
>> ND (Denso) K20PR-L11
>>
>> You should pay around 3 or 4 bucks each for them.
>>
>>
>>
>
> but either of those are like $12 each at majestic honda online! d16
> plugs are like $1.50. lordy.
>
What are the brands and part numbers you're being quoted for each type?
--
Tegger
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Re: b16 $park plug$
z wrote:
> On Sep 30, 10:07�pm, Tegger <inva...@invalid.inv> wrote:
>> z <gzuck...@snail-mail.net> wrote in news:51e983b0-af15-4dae-9c79-
>> 1f01c0d4f...@y21g2000hsf.googlegroups.com:
>>
>>> why in the world are the b16 plugs $12+ each? aren't the D16 plugs
>>> also platinum etc.etc?
>> You don't need platinums for the B16.
>>
>> The '90 CRX used the B16A1 engine. OEM specified plugs for that engine are
>> the non-platinum:
>> NGK BKR6E-N11
>> and
>> ND (Denso) K20PR-L11
>>
>> You should pay around 3 or 4 bucks each for them.
>>
>> --
>> Tegger
>
> but either of those are like $12 each at majestic honda online! d16
> plugs are like $1.50. lordy.
do you expect $100 tires to perform the same as $40 tires? do you
expect a $35 coolant pump to last as long as a $65 coolant pump?
good spark plugs mean good ignition. good ignition means a little more
power and lower emissions.
unless you're into recreational spark plug changing, the more expensive
plugs with their much extended replacement interval and better
efficiency more than pay for themselves.
> On Sep 30, 10:07�pm, Tegger <inva...@invalid.inv> wrote:
>> z <gzuck...@snail-mail.net> wrote in news:51e983b0-af15-4dae-9c79-
>> 1f01c0d4f...@y21g2000hsf.googlegroups.com:
>>
>>> why in the world are the b16 plugs $12+ each? aren't the D16 plugs
>>> also platinum etc.etc?
>> You don't need platinums for the B16.
>>
>> The '90 CRX used the B16A1 engine. OEM specified plugs for that engine are
>> the non-platinum:
>> NGK BKR6E-N11
>> and
>> ND (Denso) K20PR-L11
>>
>> You should pay around 3 or 4 bucks each for them.
>>
>> --
>> Tegger
>
> but either of those are like $12 each at majestic honda online! d16
> plugs are like $1.50. lordy.
do you expect $100 tires to perform the same as $40 tires? do you
expect a $35 coolant pump to last as long as a $65 coolant pump?
good spark plugs mean good ignition. good ignition means a little more
power and lower emissions.
unless you're into recreational spark plug changing, the more expensive
plugs with their much extended replacement interval and better
efficiency more than pay for themselves.
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Re: b16 $park plug$
On Oct 3, 4:04 pm, Tegger <inva...@invalid.inv> wrote:
> z <gzuck...@snail-mail.net> wrote innews:9c5e726c-8ab9-442d-89ef-2baaef09e226@u65g2000hsc.googlegroups.com:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Sep 30, 10:07 pm, Tegger <inva...@invalid.inv> wrote:
> >> z <gzuck...@snail-mail.net> wrote in news:51e983b0-af15-4dae-9c79-
> >> 1f01c0d4f...@y21g2000hsf.googlegroups.com:
>
> >> > why in the world are the b16 plugs $12+ each? aren't the D16 plugs
> >> > also platinum etc.etc?
>
> >> You don't need platinums for the B16.
>
> >> The '90 CRX used the B16A1 engine. OEM specified plugs for that
> >> engine ar
> > e
> >> the non-platinum:
> >> NGK BKR6E-N11
> >> and
> >> ND (Denso) K20PR-L11
>
> >> You should pay around 3 or 4 bucks each for them.
>
> > but either of those are like $12 each at majestic honda online! d16
> > plugs are like $1.50. lordy.
>
> What are the brands and part numbers you're being quoted for each type?
>
> --
> Tegger- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
D16 plugs:
(ZFR5J-11) (NGK) 2.18
(KJ16CR-L11) (DENSO) 2.18
(ZFR6J-11) (NGK) 2.18
(KJ20CR-L11) (DENSO) 2.18
http://www.hondaautomotiveparts.com/...ORD-SPARK+PLUG
B16 plugs:
(PK20PR-L13) (DENSO) 12.47
(PFR6L-13) (NGK) 12.66
http://www.hondaautomotiveparts.com/...ORD-SPARK+PLUG
> z <gzuck...@snail-mail.net> wrote innews:9c5e726c-8ab9-442d-89ef-2baaef09e226@u65g2000hsc.googlegroups.com:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Sep 30, 10:07 pm, Tegger <inva...@invalid.inv> wrote:
> >> z <gzuck...@snail-mail.net> wrote in news:51e983b0-af15-4dae-9c79-
> >> 1f01c0d4f...@y21g2000hsf.googlegroups.com:
>
> >> > why in the world are the b16 plugs $12+ each? aren't the D16 plugs
> >> > also platinum etc.etc?
>
> >> You don't need platinums for the B16.
>
> >> The '90 CRX used the B16A1 engine. OEM specified plugs for that
> >> engine ar
> > e
> >> the non-platinum:
> >> NGK BKR6E-N11
> >> and
> >> ND (Denso) K20PR-L11
>
> >> You should pay around 3 or 4 bucks each for them.
>
> > but either of those are like $12 each at majestic honda online! d16
> > plugs are like $1.50. lordy.
>
> What are the brands and part numbers you're being quoted for each type?
>
> --
> Tegger- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
D16 plugs:
(ZFR5J-11) (NGK) 2.18
(KJ16CR-L11) (DENSO) 2.18
(ZFR6J-11) (NGK) 2.18
(KJ20CR-L11) (DENSO) 2.18
http://www.hondaautomotiveparts.com/...ORD-SPARK+PLUG
B16 plugs:
(PK20PR-L13) (DENSO) 12.47
(PFR6L-13) (NGK) 12.66
http://www.hondaautomotiveparts.com/...ORD-SPARK+PLUG
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Re: b16 $park plug$
On Oct 3, 10:17 pm, jim beam <spamvor...@bad.example.net> wrote:
> z wrote:
> > On Sep 30, 10:07 pm, Tegger <inva...@invalid.inv> wrote:
> >> z <gzuck...@snail-mail.net> wrote in news:51e983b0-af15-4dae-9c79-
> >> 1f01c0d4f...@y21g2000hsf.googlegroups.com:
>
> >>> why in the world are the b16 plugs $12+ each? aren't the D16 plugs
> >>> also platinum etc.etc?
> >> You don't need platinums for the B16.
>
> >> The '90 CRX used the B16A1 engine. OEM specified plugs for that engineare
> >> the non-platinum:
> >> NGK BKR6E-N11
> >> and
> >> ND (Denso) K20PR-L11
>
> >> You should pay around 3 or 4 bucks each for them.
>
> >> --
> >> Tegger
>
> > but either of those are like $12 each at majestic honda online! d16
> > plugs are like $1.50. lordy.
>
> do you expect $100 tires to perform the same as $40 tires? do you
> expect a $35 coolant pump to last as long as a $65 coolant pump?
>
> good spark plugs mean good ignition. good ignition means a little more
> power and lower emissions.
>
> unless you're into recreational spark plug changing, the more expensive
> plugs with their much extended replacement interval and better
> efficiency more than pay for themselves.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
yeah, but OEM denso and NGK plugs for one Honda 4 banger vs another;
sheesh, for the price of one B16 plug I could install 6 D16 plugs and
have very good ignition of the mixture.
> z wrote:
> > On Sep 30, 10:07 pm, Tegger <inva...@invalid.inv> wrote:
> >> z <gzuck...@snail-mail.net> wrote in news:51e983b0-af15-4dae-9c79-
> >> 1f01c0d4f...@y21g2000hsf.googlegroups.com:
>
> >>> why in the world are the b16 plugs $12+ each? aren't the D16 plugs
> >>> also platinum etc.etc?
> >> You don't need platinums for the B16.
>
> >> The '90 CRX used the B16A1 engine. OEM specified plugs for that engineare
> >> the non-platinum:
> >> NGK BKR6E-N11
> >> and
> >> ND (Denso) K20PR-L11
>
> >> You should pay around 3 or 4 bucks each for them.
>
> >> --
> >> Tegger
>
> > but either of those are like $12 each at majestic honda online! d16
> > plugs are like $1.50. lordy.
>
> do you expect $100 tires to perform the same as $40 tires? do you
> expect a $35 coolant pump to last as long as a $65 coolant pump?
>
> good spark plugs mean good ignition. good ignition means a little more
> power and lower emissions.
>
> unless you're into recreational spark plug changing, the more expensive
> plugs with their much extended replacement interval and better
> efficiency more than pay for themselves.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
yeah, but OEM denso and NGK plugs for one Honda 4 banger vs another;
sheesh, for the price of one B16 plug I could install 6 D16 plugs and
have very good ignition of the mixture.
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Re: b16 $park plug$
z wrote:
> On Oct 3, 10:17�pm, jim beam <spamvor...@bad.example.net> wrote:
>> z wrote:
>>> On Sep 30, 10:07 pm, Tegger <inva...@invalid.inv> wrote:
>>>> z <gzuck...@snail-mail.net> wrote in news:51e983b0-af15-4dae-9c79-
>>>> 1f01c0d4f...@y21g2000hsf.googlegroups.com:
>>>>> why in the world are the b16 plugs $12+ each? aren't the D16 plugs
>>>>> also platinum etc.etc?
>>>> You don't need platinums for the B16.
>>>> The '90 CRX used the B16A1 engine. OEM specified plugs for that engine are
>>>> the non-platinum:
>>>> NGK BKR6E-N11
>>>> and
>>>> ND (Denso) K20PR-L11
>>>> You should pay around 3 or 4 bucks each for them.
>>>> --
>>>> Tegger
>>> but either of those are like $12 each at majestic honda online! d16
>>> plugs are like $1.50. lordy.
>> do you expect $100 tires to perform the same as $40 tires? �do you
>> expect a $35 coolant pump to last as long as a $65 coolant pump?
>>
>> good spark plugs mean good ignition. �good ignition means a little more
>> power and lower emissions.
>>
>> unless you're into recreational spark plug changing, the more expensive
>> plugs with their much extended replacement interval and better
>> efficiency more than pay for themselves.- Hide quoted text -
>>
>> - Show quoted text -
>
> yeah, but OEM denso and NGK plugs for one Honda 4 banger vs another;
> sheesh, for the price of one B16 plug I could install 6 D16 plugs and
> have very good ignition of the mixture.
have you tried them?
> On Oct 3, 10:17�pm, jim beam <spamvor...@bad.example.net> wrote:
>> z wrote:
>>> On Sep 30, 10:07 pm, Tegger <inva...@invalid.inv> wrote:
>>>> z <gzuck...@snail-mail.net> wrote in news:51e983b0-af15-4dae-9c79-
>>>> 1f01c0d4f...@y21g2000hsf.googlegroups.com:
>>>>> why in the world are the b16 plugs $12+ each? aren't the D16 plugs
>>>>> also platinum etc.etc?
>>>> You don't need platinums for the B16.
>>>> The '90 CRX used the B16A1 engine. OEM specified plugs for that engine are
>>>> the non-platinum:
>>>> NGK BKR6E-N11
>>>> and
>>>> ND (Denso) K20PR-L11
>>>> You should pay around 3 or 4 bucks each for them.
>>>> --
>>>> Tegger
>>> but either of those are like $12 each at majestic honda online! d16
>>> plugs are like $1.50. lordy.
>> do you expect $100 tires to perform the same as $40 tires? �do you
>> expect a $35 coolant pump to last as long as a $65 coolant pump?
>>
>> good spark plugs mean good ignition. �good ignition means a little more
>> power and lower emissions.
>>
>> unless you're into recreational spark plug changing, the more expensive
>> plugs with their much extended replacement interval and better
>> efficiency more than pay for themselves.- Hide quoted text -
>>
>> - Show quoted text -
>
> yeah, but OEM denso and NGK plugs for one Honda 4 banger vs another;
> sheesh, for the price of one B16 plug I could install 6 D16 plugs and
> have very good ignition of the mixture.
have you tried them?
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Re: b16 $park plug$
On Oct 6, 10:26 pm, jim beam <spamvor...@bad.example.net> wrote:
> z wrote:
> > On Oct 3, 10:17 pm, jim beam <spamvor...@bad.example.net> wrote:
> >> z wrote:
> >>> On Sep 30, 10:07 pm, Tegger <inva...@invalid.inv> wrote:
> >>>> z <gzuck...@snail-mail.net> wrote in news:51e983b0-af15-4dae-9c79-
> >>>> 1f01c0d4f...@y21g2000hsf.googlegroups.com:
> >>>>> why in the world are the b16 plugs $12+ each? aren't the D16 plugs
> >>>>> also platinum etc.etc?
> >>>> You don't need platinums for the B16.
> >>>> The '90 CRX used the B16A1 engine. OEM specified plugs for that engine are
> >>>> the non-platinum:
> >>>> NGK BKR6E-N11
> >>>> and
> >>>> ND (Denso) K20PR-L11
> >>>> You should pay around 3 or 4 bucks each for them.
> >>>> --
> >>>> Tegger
> >>> but either of those are like $12 each at majestic honda online! d16
> >>> plugs are like $1.50. lordy.
> >> do you expect $100 tires to perform the same as $40 tires? do you
> >> expect a $35 coolant pump to last as long as a $65 coolant pump?
>
> >> good spark plugs mean good ignition. good ignition means a little more
> >> power and lower emissions.
>
> >> unless you're into recreational spark plug changing, the more expensive
> >> plugs with their much extended replacement interval and better
> >> efficiency more than pay for themselves.- Hide quoted text -
>
> >> - Show quoted text -
>
> > yeah, but OEM denso and NGK plugs for one Honda 4 banger vs another;
> > sheesh, for the price of one B16 plug I could install 6 D16 plugs and
> > have very good ignition of the mixture.
>
> have you tried them?- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
i assume those are the plugs in my engine now. i'm not even sure they
need changing, but as an old-timer guy, i feel guilty for not changing
the plugs every 6 months. my last car was one of those mitsubishi
2.6s, and I swear you could feel a difference in the engine every
time you changed the plugs, even if the old ones were about an hour
old.
> z wrote:
> > On Oct 3, 10:17 pm, jim beam <spamvor...@bad.example.net> wrote:
> >> z wrote:
> >>> On Sep 30, 10:07 pm, Tegger <inva...@invalid.inv> wrote:
> >>>> z <gzuck...@snail-mail.net> wrote in news:51e983b0-af15-4dae-9c79-
> >>>> 1f01c0d4f...@y21g2000hsf.googlegroups.com:
> >>>>> why in the world are the b16 plugs $12+ each? aren't the D16 plugs
> >>>>> also platinum etc.etc?
> >>>> You don't need platinums for the B16.
> >>>> The '90 CRX used the B16A1 engine. OEM specified plugs for that engine are
> >>>> the non-platinum:
> >>>> NGK BKR6E-N11
> >>>> and
> >>>> ND (Denso) K20PR-L11
> >>>> You should pay around 3 or 4 bucks each for them.
> >>>> --
> >>>> Tegger
> >>> but either of those are like $12 each at majestic honda online! d16
> >>> plugs are like $1.50. lordy.
> >> do you expect $100 tires to perform the same as $40 tires? do you
> >> expect a $35 coolant pump to last as long as a $65 coolant pump?
>
> >> good spark plugs mean good ignition. good ignition means a little more
> >> power and lower emissions.
>
> >> unless you're into recreational spark plug changing, the more expensive
> >> plugs with their much extended replacement interval and better
> >> efficiency more than pay for themselves.- Hide quoted text -
>
> >> - Show quoted text -
>
> > yeah, but OEM denso and NGK plugs for one Honda 4 banger vs another;
> > sheesh, for the price of one B16 plug I could install 6 D16 plugs and
> > have very good ignition of the mixture.
>
> have you tried them?- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
i assume those are the plugs in my engine now. i'm not even sure they
need changing, but as an old-timer guy, i feel guilty for not changing
the plugs every 6 months. my last car was one of those mitsubishi
2.6s, and I swear you could feel a difference in the engine every
time you changed the plugs, even if the old ones were about an hour
old.
#44
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Re: b16 $park plug$
z wrote:
> On Oct 6, 10:26�pm, jim beam <spamvor...@bad.example.net> wrote:
>> z wrote:
>>> On Oct 3, 10:17 pm, jim beam <spamvor...@bad.example.net> wrote:
>>>> z wrote:
>>>>> On Sep 30, 10:07 pm, Tegger <inva...@invalid.inv> wrote:
>>>>>> z <gzuck...@snail-mail.net> wrote in news:51e983b0-af15-4dae-9c79-
>>>>>> 1f01c0d4f...@y21g2000hsf.googlegroups.com:
>>>>>>> why in the world are the b16 plugs $12+ each? aren't the D16 plugs
>>>>>>> also platinum etc.etc?
>>>>>> You don't need platinums for the B16.
>>>>>> The '90 CRX used the B16A1 engine. OEM specified plugs for that engine are
>>>>>> the non-platinum:
>>>>>> NGK BKR6E-N11
>>>>>> and
>>>>>> ND (Denso) K20PR-L11
>>>>>> You should pay around 3 or 4 bucks each for them.
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> Tegger
>>>>> but either of those are like $12 each at majestic honda online! d16
>>>>> plugs are like $1.50. lordy.
>>>> do you expect $100 tires to perform the same as $40 tires? do you
>>>> expect a $35 coolant pump to last as long as a $65 coolant pump?
>>>> good spark plugs mean good ignition. good ignition means a little more
>>>> power and lower emissions.
>>>> unless you're into recreational spark plug changing, the more expensive
>>>> plugs with their much extended replacement interval and better
>>>> efficiency more than pay for themselves.- Hide quoted text -
>>>> - Show quoted text -
>>> yeah, but OEM denso and NGK plugs for one Honda 4 banger vs another;
>>> sheesh, for the price of one B16 plug I could install 6 D16 plugs and
>>> have very good ignition of the mixture.
>> have you tried them?- Hide quoted text -
>>
>> - Show quoted text -
>
> i assume those are the plugs in my engine now.
unlikely from factory.
> i'm not even sure they
> need changing, but as an old-timer guy, i feel guilty for not changing
> the plugs every 6 months.
dude, you need to get over that. unleaded gas and fuel injection and
decent plugs have cured your condition.
> my last car was one of those mitsubishi
> 2.6s, and I swear you could feel a difference in the engine every
> time you changed the plugs,
there's a reason for that. spark ignition depends on electrostatic
field. the field is more intense for sharp objects, not blunt. as a
spark plug electrode erodes, its sharp edges get blunter. the advantage
of a fine wire electrode is that it pretty much /can't/ get blunt. but
a material that can work as fine wire /and/ not quickly burn away costs
money.
> even if the old ones were about an hour
> old.
that's a driver condition, not spark plug. unless your engine is very sick.
> On Oct 6, 10:26�pm, jim beam <spamvor...@bad.example.net> wrote:
>> z wrote:
>>> On Oct 3, 10:17 pm, jim beam <spamvor...@bad.example.net> wrote:
>>>> z wrote:
>>>>> On Sep 30, 10:07 pm, Tegger <inva...@invalid.inv> wrote:
>>>>>> z <gzuck...@snail-mail.net> wrote in news:51e983b0-af15-4dae-9c79-
>>>>>> 1f01c0d4f...@y21g2000hsf.googlegroups.com:
>>>>>>> why in the world are the b16 plugs $12+ each? aren't the D16 plugs
>>>>>>> also platinum etc.etc?
>>>>>> You don't need platinums for the B16.
>>>>>> The '90 CRX used the B16A1 engine. OEM specified plugs for that engine are
>>>>>> the non-platinum:
>>>>>> NGK BKR6E-N11
>>>>>> and
>>>>>> ND (Denso) K20PR-L11
>>>>>> You should pay around 3 or 4 bucks each for them.
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> Tegger
>>>>> but either of those are like $12 each at majestic honda online! d16
>>>>> plugs are like $1.50. lordy.
>>>> do you expect $100 tires to perform the same as $40 tires? do you
>>>> expect a $35 coolant pump to last as long as a $65 coolant pump?
>>>> good spark plugs mean good ignition. good ignition means a little more
>>>> power and lower emissions.
>>>> unless you're into recreational spark plug changing, the more expensive
>>>> plugs with their much extended replacement interval and better
>>>> efficiency more than pay for themselves.- Hide quoted text -
>>>> - Show quoted text -
>>> yeah, but OEM denso and NGK plugs for one Honda 4 banger vs another;
>>> sheesh, for the price of one B16 plug I could install 6 D16 plugs and
>>> have very good ignition of the mixture.
>> have you tried them?- Hide quoted text -
>>
>> - Show quoted text -
>
> i assume those are the plugs in my engine now.
unlikely from factory.
> i'm not even sure they
> need changing, but as an old-timer guy, i feel guilty for not changing
> the plugs every 6 months.
dude, you need to get over that. unleaded gas and fuel injection and
decent plugs have cured your condition.
> my last car was one of those mitsubishi
> 2.6s, and I swear you could feel a difference in the engine every
> time you changed the plugs,
there's a reason for that. spark ignition depends on electrostatic
field. the field is more intense for sharp objects, not blunt. as a
spark plug electrode erodes, its sharp edges get blunter. the advantage
of a fine wire electrode is that it pretty much /can't/ get blunt. but
a material that can work as fine wire /and/ not quickly burn away costs
money.
> even if the old ones were about an hour
> old.
that's a driver condition, not spark plug. unless your engine is very sick.
#45
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Re: b16 $park plug$
Try the *NGK* Iridiums (not the Champion mentioned blow). These are
about $6-8 a piece, local NAPA or rockauto.com. The NGK Laser-Iridiums
are rated 120K miles in Toytoas.
http://www.importtuner.com/tech/impp...ion/index.html
"Test 3: Champion Iridium. Iridium is a favorite among many big-name
aftermarket manufacturers, exotic car OEMs and enthusiasts looking for
an extra edge. The center electrode of an iridium plug tapers to a
point as it nears its ground; the idea being that it focuses spark
energy into a narrow, more intense arc, thus increasing combustion
efficiency. These plugs narrowly made it to the dyno at all-the first
one we installed broke off in the cylinder head when we tightened it
with the specified method of a half-turn past hand-tight. While the
plugs' build quality didn't impress us much, they actually made some
power on the dyno-2.9 whp and 1.1 lb-ft of torque over the coppers!"
Of course, take their review with a grain of salt. These guys say
"platinum is a more efficient conductor than copper". Sheesh!!!! How
about silver. But I guess I'll take the number from the dyno.
On Oct 7, 8:36 am, z <gzuck...@snail-mail.net> wrote:
> i assume those are the plugs in my engine now. i'm not even sure they
> need changing, but as an old-timer guy, i feel guilty for not changing
> the plugs every 6 months. my last car was one of those mitsubishi
> 2.6s, and I swear you could feel a difference in the engine every
> time you changed the plugs, even if the old ones were about an hour
> old.
about $6-8 a piece, local NAPA or rockauto.com. The NGK Laser-Iridiums
are rated 120K miles in Toytoas.
http://www.importtuner.com/tech/impp...ion/index.html
"Test 3: Champion Iridium. Iridium is a favorite among many big-name
aftermarket manufacturers, exotic car OEMs and enthusiasts looking for
an extra edge. The center electrode of an iridium plug tapers to a
point as it nears its ground; the idea being that it focuses spark
energy into a narrow, more intense arc, thus increasing combustion
efficiency. These plugs narrowly made it to the dyno at all-the first
one we installed broke off in the cylinder head when we tightened it
with the specified method of a half-turn past hand-tight. While the
plugs' build quality didn't impress us much, they actually made some
power on the dyno-2.9 whp and 1.1 lb-ft of torque over the coppers!"
Of course, take their review with a grain of salt. These guys say
"platinum is a more efficient conductor than copper". Sheesh!!!! How
about silver. But I guess I'll take the number from the dyno.
On Oct 7, 8:36 am, z <gzuck...@snail-mail.net> wrote:
> i assume those are the plugs in my engine now. i'm not even sure they
> need changing, but as an old-timer guy, i feel guilty for not changing
> the plugs every 6 months. my last car was one of those mitsubishi
> 2.6s, and I swear you could feel a difference in the engine every
> time you changed the plugs, even if the old ones were about an hour
> old.