Re: Parasitic Drain - Bulb Trick
Sure, jim. And thanks.
Last week, the battery drained overnight on my '95 Civic 1.6L. I took the battery to be recharged at a shop, and we found that the water level was low. But I suspected a "ground" somewhere, because I had just sprayed the engine with a degreaser and rinsed it (low pressure garden hose). Since my ammeter only goes up to 0.25A (250 mA), and I read on some posts that the current could go over 1A, I tried the bulb trick first. I don't know the exact rating of the bulb (aftermarket dome/trunk light), but it glowed brightly. (All doors/trunk was closed, key off) I tried pulling underhood fuses and even disconnecting the alternator, with no result. Then I tried pulling the cabin fuses, and I found that it was the Pioneer head unit that was pulling most of the power (for the preset memory, I guess). When I disconnected the radio, the bulb was finally very dim. I tried the ammeter and expected less than 80 mA (from the battery FAQ link, thanks to TeGGer). But I still got 170 mA or so. I've checked all the possible bulbs, and I think a bulb would pull more than that. I finally concluded that there was no parasitic drain at all, but I'm puzzled as to what could be making that extra load. |
Re: Parasitic Drain - Bulb Trick
Sure, jim. And thanks.
Last week, the battery drained overnight on my '95 Civic 1.6L. I took the battery to be recharged at a shop, and we found that the water level was low. But I suspected a "ground" somewhere, because I had just sprayed the engine with a degreaser and rinsed it (low pressure garden hose). Since my ammeter only goes up to 0.25A (250 mA), and I read on some posts that the current could go over 1A, I tried the bulb trick first. I don't know the exact rating of the bulb (aftermarket dome/trunk light), but it glowed brightly. (All doors/trunk was closed, key off) I tried pulling underhood fuses and even disconnecting the alternator, with no result. Then I tried pulling the cabin fuses, and I found that it was the Pioneer head unit that was pulling most of the power (for the preset memory, I guess). When I disconnected the radio, the bulb was finally very dim. I tried the ammeter and expected less than 80 mA (from the battery FAQ link, thanks to TeGGer). But I still got 170 mA or so. I've checked all the possible bulbs, and I think a bulb would pull more than that. I finally concluded that there was no parasitic drain at all, but I'm puzzled as to what could be making that extra load. |
Re: Parasitic Drain - Bulb Trick
sharx333 wrote:
> Sure, jim. And thanks. > > Last week, the battery drained overnight on my '95 Civic 1.6L. I took > the battery to be recharged at a shop, and we found that the water > level was low. But I suspected a "ground" somewhere, because I had just > sprayed the engine with a degreaser and rinsed it (low pressure garden > hose). > > Since my ammeter only goes up to 0.25A (250 mA), and I read on some > posts that the current could go over 1A, I tried the bulb trick first. > I don't know the exact rating of the bulb (aftermarket dome/trunk > light), but it glowed brightly. (All doors/trunk was closed, key off) > > I tried pulling underhood fuses and even disconnecting the alternator, > with no result. Then I tried pulling the cabin fuses, and I found that > it was the Pioneer head unit that was pulling most of the power (for > the preset memory, I guess). > > When I disconnected the radio, the bulb was finally very dim. I tried > the ammeter and expected less than 80 mA (from the battery FAQ link, > thanks to TeGGer). But I still got 170 mA or so. I've checked all the > possible bulbs, and I think a bulb would pull more than that. > > I finally concluded that there was no parasitic drain at all, but I'm > puzzled as to what could be making that extra load. > well, first, you have to eliminate the battery as a problem - if it's draining itself, it's no good. after that, 170mA is a 2W bulb at 12V [hence bulb glow]. that drain seems high for the ecu memory [what you'd have left after disconnecting the audio.] i'd continue looking for leakage. check both sets of fuses pulling each one individually and connect the meter probes between the slots. |
Re: Parasitic Drain - Bulb Trick
sharx333 wrote:
> Sure, jim. And thanks. > > Last week, the battery drained overnight on my '95 Civic 1.6L. I took > the battery to be recharged at a shop, and we found that the water > level was low. But I suspected a "ground" somewhere, because I had just > sprayed the engine with a degreaser and rinsed it (low pressure garden > hose). > > Since my ammeter only goes up to 0.25A (250 mA), and I read on some > posts that the current could go over 1A, I tried the bulb trick first. > I don't know the exact rating of the bulb (aftermarket dome/trunk > light), but it glowed brightly. (All doors/trunk was closed, key off) > > I tried pulling underhood fuses and even disconnecting the alternator, > with no result. Then I tried pulling the cabin fuses, and I found that > it was the Pioneer head unit that was pulling most of the power (for > the preset memory, I guess). > > When I disconnected the radio, the bulb was finally very dim. I tried > the ammeter and expected less than 80 mA (from the battery FAQ link, > thanks to TeGGer). But I still got 170 mA or so. I've checked all the > possible bulbs, and I think a bulb would pull more than that. > > I finally concluded that there was no parasitic drain at all, but I'm > puzzled as to what could be making that extra load. > well, first, you have to eliminate the battery as a problem - if it's draining itself, it's no good. after that, 170mA is a 2W bulb at 12V [hence bulb glow]. that drain seems high for the ecu memory [what you'd have left after disconnecting the audio.] i'd continue looking for leakage. check both sets of fuses pulling each one individually and connect the meter probes between the slots. |
Re: Parasitic Drain - Bulb Trick
sharx333 wrote:
> Sure, jim. And thanks. > > Last week, the battery drained overnight on my '95 Civic 1.6L. I took > the battery to be recharged at a shop, and we found that the water > level was low. But I suspected a "ground" somewhere, because I had just > sprayed the engine with a degreaser and rinsed it (low pressure garden > hose). > > Since my ammeter only goes up to 0.25A (250 mA), and I read on some > posts that the current could go over 1A, I tried the bulb trick first. > I don't know the exact rating of the bulb (aftermarket dome/trunk > light), but it glowed brightly. (All doors/trunk was closed, key off) > > I tried pulling underhood fuses and even disconnecting the alternator, > with no result. Then I tried pulling the cabin fuses, and I found that > it was the Pioneer head unit that was pulling most of the power (for > the preset memory, I guess). > > When I disconnected the radio, the bulb was finally very dim. I tried > the ammeter and expected less than 80 mA (from the battery FAQ link, > thanks to TeGGer). But I still got 170 mA or so. I've checked all the > possible bulbs, and I think a bulb would pull more than that. > > I finally concluded that there was no parasitic drain at all, but I'm > puzzled as to what could be making that extra load. > well, first, you have to eliminate the battery as a problem - if it's draining itself, it's no good. after that, 170mA is a 2W bulb at 12V [hence bulb glow]. that drain seems high for the ecu memory [what you'd have left after disconnecting the audio.] i'd continue looking for leakage. check both sets of fuses pulling each one individually and connect the meter probes between the slots. |
Re: Parasitic Drain - Bulb Trick
sharx333 wrote:
> Sure, jim. And thanks. > > Last week, the battery drained overnight on my '95 Civic 1.6L. I took > the battery to be recharged at a shop, and we found that the water > level was low. But I suspected a "ground" somewhere, because I had just > sprayed the engine with a degreaser and rinsed it (low pressure garden > hose). > > Since my ammeter only goes up to 0.25A (250 mA), and I read on some > posts that the current could go over 1A, I tried the bulb trick first. > I don't know the exact rating of the bulb (aftermarket dome/trunk > light), but it glowed brightly. (All doors/trunk was closed, key off) > > I tried pulling underhood fuses and even disconnecting the alternator, > with no result. Then I tried pulling the cabin fuses, and I found that > it was the Pioneer head unit that was pulling most of the power (for > the preset memory, I guess). > > When I disconnected the radio, the bulb was finally very dim. I tried > the ammeter and expected less than 80 mA (from the battery FAQ link, > thanks to TeGGer). But I still got 170 mA or so. I've checked all the > possible bulbs, and I think a bulb would pull more than that. > > I finally concluded that there was no parasitic drain at all, but I'm > puzzled as to what could be making that extra load. > well, first, you have to eliminate the battery as a problem - if it's draining itself, it's no good. after that, 170mA is a 2W bulb at 12V [hence bulb glow]. that drain seems high for the ecu memory [what you'd have left after disconnecting the audio.] i'd continue looking for leakage. check both sets of fuses pulling each one individually and connect the meter probes between the slots. |
Re: Parasitic Drain - Bulb Trick
Ok. Thanks for the heads-up.
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Re: Parasitic Drain - Bulb Trick
Ok. Thanks for the heads-up.
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Re: Parasitic Drain - Bulb Trick
Ok. Thanks for the heads-up.
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Re: Parasitic Drain - Bulb Trick
Ok. Thanks for the heads-up.
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Re: Parasitic Drain - Bulb Trick
In rec.autos.makers.honda sharx333 <emil.santos@gmail.com> wrote:
> I don't know the exact rating of the bulb (aftermarket dome/trunk > light), but it glowed brightly. (All doors/trunk was closed, key off) That might be a low wattage lamp, and glow brightly at a low current draw. A stoplight bulb is a better choice, perhaps. I could look at autozone.com to find the dome light bulb number, and then sylvania.com for the bulb specs, but I think you found your culprit. > I tried pulling underhood fuses and even disconnecting the alternator, > with no result. Then I tried pulling the cabin fuses, and I found that > it was the Pioneer head unit that was pulling most of the power (for > the preset memory, I guess). I think you are indicating that 170mA made the bulb glow dimly, and the Pioneer made it bright. That's not good. The pioneer should only draw a few milliamps in standby. There should be a figure in the manual. There should also be a standby control on the Pioneer. A voltage supplied to the Pioneer that is always on is expected to be a heavy current feed for the amplifier, that also draws a tiny amount of power in standby. There should be another switched control that comes on with the radio or ignition that cause the Pioneer to turn on its amplifiers. I think yours is switched on all the time. Or maybe not... ;-) Check the manual for some specs on the Pioneer. -- --- Clarence A Dold - Hidden Valley Lake, CA, USA GPS: 38.8,-122.5 |
Re: Parasitic Drain - Bulb Trick
In rec.autos.makers.honda sharx333 <emil.santos@gmail.com> wrote:
> I don't know the exact rating of the bulb (aftermarket dome/trunk > light), but it glowed brightly. (All doors/trunk was closed, key off) That might be a low wattage lamp, and glow brightly at a low current draw. A stoplight bulb is a better choice, perhaps. I could look at autozone.com to find the dome light bulb number, and then sylvania.com for the bulb specs, but I think you found your culprit. > I tried pulling underhood fuses and even disconnecting the alternator, > with no result. Then I tried pulling the cabin fuses, and I found that > it was the Pioneer head unit that was pulling most of the power (for > the preset memory, I guess). I think you are indicating that 170mA made the bulb glow dimly, and the Pioneer made it bright. That's not good. The pioneer should only draw a few milliamps in standby. There should be a figure in the manual. There should also be a standby control on the Pioneer. A voltage supplied to the Pioneer that is always on is expected to be a heavy current feed for the amplifier, that also draws a tiny amount of power in standby. There should be another switched control that comes on with the radio or ignition that cause the Pioneer to turn on its amplifiers. I think yours is switched on all the time. Or maybe not... ;-) Check the manual for some specs on the Pioneer. -- --- Clarence A Dold - Hidden Valley Lake, CA, USA GPS: 38.8,-122.5 |
Re: Parasitic Drain - Bulb Trick
In rec.autos.makers.honda sharx333 <emil.santos@gmail.com> wrote:
> I don't know the exact rating of the bulb (aftermarket dome/trunk > light), but it glowed brightly. (All doors/trunk was closed, key off) That might be a low wattage lamp, and glow brightly at a low current draw. A stoplight bulb is a better choice, perhaps. I could look at autozone.com to find the dome light bulb number, and then sylvania.com for the bulb specs, but I think you found your culprit. > I tried pulling underhood fuses and even disconnecting the alternator, > with no result. Then I tried pulling the cabin fuses, and I found that > it was the Pioneer head unit that was pulling most of the power (for > the preset memory, I guess). I think you are indicating that 170mA made the bulb glow dimly, and the Pioneer made it bright. That's not good. The pioneer should only draw a few milliamps in standby. There should be a figure in the manual. There should also be a standby control on the Pioneer. A voltage supplied to the Pioneer that is always on is expected to be a heavy current feed for the amplifier, that also draws a tiny amount of power in standby. There should be another switched control that comes on with the radio or ignition that cause the Pioneer to turn on its amplifiers. I think yours is switched on all the time. Or maybe not... ;-) Check the manual for some specs on the Pioneer. -- --- Clarence A Dold - Hidden Valley Lake, CA, USA GPS: 38.8,-122.5 |
Re: Parasitic Drain - Bulb Trick
In rec.autos.makers.honda sharx333 <emil.santos@gmail.com> wrote:
> I don't know the exact rating of the bulb (aftermarket dome/trunk > light), but it glowed brightly. (All doors/trunk was closed, key off) That might be a low wattage lamp, and glow brightly at a low current draw. A stoplight bulb is a better choice, perhaps. I could look at autozone.com to find the dome light bulb number, and then sylvania.com for the bulb specs, but I think you found your culprit. > I tried pulling underhood fuses and even disconnecting the alternator, > with no result. Then I tried pulling the cabin fuses, and I found that > it was the Pioneer head unit that was pulling most of the power (for > the preset memory, I guess). I think you are indicating that 170mA made the bulb glow dimly, and the Pioneer made it bright. That's not good. The pioneer should only draw a few milliamps in standby. There should be a figure in the manual. There should also be a standby control on the Pioneer. A voltage supplied to the Pioneer that is always on is expected to be a heavy current feed for the amplifier, that also draws a tiny amount of power in standby. There should be another switched control that comes on with the radio or ignition that cause the Pioneer to turn on its amplifiers. I think yours is switched on all the time. Or maybe not... ;-) Check the manual for some specs on the Pioneer. -- --- Clarence A Dold - Hidden Valley Lake, CA, USA GPS: 38.8,-122.5 |
Re: Parasitic Drain - Bulb Trick
dold@XReXXParas.usenet.us.com wrote:
> In rec.autos.makers.honda sharx333 <emil.santos@gmail.com> wrote: >> I don't know the exact rating of the bulb (aftermarket dome/trunk >> light), but it glowed brightly. (All doors/trunk was closed, key off) > > That might be a low wattage lamp, and glow brightly at a low current draw. > A stoplight bulb is a better choice, perhaps. I could look at autozone.com > to find the dome light bulb number, and then sylvania.com for the bulb > specs, but I think you found your culprit. > >> I tried pulling underhood fuses and even disconnecting the alternator, >> with no result. Then I tried pulling the cabin fuses, and I found that >> it was the Pioneer head unit that was pulling most of the power (for >> the preset memory, I guess). > > I think you are indicating that 170mA made the bulb glow dimly, and the > Pioneer made it bright. That's not good. The pioneer should only draw a > few milliamps in standby. There should be a figure in the manual. > There should also be a standby control on the Pioneer. > > A voltage supplied to the Pioneer that is always on is expected to be a > heavy current feed for the amplifier, that also draws a tiny amount of > power in standby. There should be another switched control that comes on > with the radio or ignition that cause the Pioneer to turn on its > amplifiers. I think yours is switched on all the time. > > Or maybe not... ;-) Check the manual for some specs on the Pioneer. > but the 170mA is /after/ the audio is disconnected! yes, the audio needs to be addressed, but there's still unusually high residual drain. |
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