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Pilot vs. competitors?
Hi all,
I'm looking for owner reviews of the Honda Pilot, as I'm considering buying one of the new 2004's. I'm comparing to Highlanders, Tauregs, and 4Runners... Any help/suggestions? |
Re: Pilot vs. competitors?
Honda's fuel economy specs are right on for the Pilot, assuming that you
operate it as an SUV...not too much over speed limits. It handles rough dirt/gravel/rocky desert and mountainous roads well, on one occasion: high desert road to north rim Grand Canyon (Toroweap), survived entering an extremely deep and hardened rut at some 60 MPH (shouldn't have done that), tossing front end skyward and violently to the right, horrendous crunch/thumps and all, from which it recovered with what I assumed had to be a severely damaged wheel and front end. Alignment shop later determined that no damage was suffered although they had to pry out some rocks wedged into control arms...no alignment needed. This is not to say that the other models you mentioned couldn't have fared as well. Maneuverability is superb, turning radius surprisingly tight. The only gripe I have to report after some 10K miles is driver's window which intermittently fails to up/down auto. I continue to enjoy all that I've paid for, all that Honda claims, and remain completely satisfied. Richard |
Re: Pilot vs. competitors?
Honda's fuel economy specs are right on for the Pilot, assuming that you
operate it as an SUV...not too much over speed limits. It handles rough dirt/gravel/rocky desert and mountainous roads well, on one occasion: high desert road to north rim Grand Canyon (Toroweap), survived entering an extremely deep and hardened rut at some 60 MPH (shouldn't have done that), tossing front end skyward and violently to the right, horrendous crunch/thumps and all, from which it recovered with what I assumed had to be a severely damaged wheel and front end. Alignment shop later determined that no damage was suffered although they had to pry out some rocks wedged into control arms...no alignment needed. This is not to say that the other models you mentioned couldn't have fared as well. Maneuverability is superb, turning radius surprisingly tight. The only gripe I have to report after some 10K miles is driver's window which intermittently fails to up/down auto. I continue to enjoy all that I've paid for, all that Honda claims, and remain completely satisfied. Richard |
Re: Pilot vs. competitors?
Honda's fuel economy specs are right on for the Pilot, assuming that you
operate it as an SUV...not too much over speed limits. It handles rough dirt/gravel/rocky desert and mountainous roads well, on one occasion: high desert road to north rim Grand Canyon (Toroweap), survived entering an extremely deep and hardened rut at some 60 MPH (shouldn't have done that), tossing front end skyward and violently to the right, horrendous crunch/thumps and all, from which it recovered with what I assumed had to be a severely damaged wheel and front end. Alignment shop later determined that no damage was suffered although they had to pry out some rocks wedged into control arms...no alignment needed. This is not to say that the other models you mentioned couldn't have fared as well. Maneuverability is superb, turning radius surprisingly tight. The only gripe I have to report after some 10K miles is driver's window which intermittently fails to up/down auto. I continue to enjoy all that I've paid for, all that Honda claims, and remain completely satisfied. Richard |
Re: Pilot vs. competitors?
Honda's fuel economy specs are right on for the Pilot, assuming that you
operate it as an SUV...not too much over speed limits. It handles rough dirt/gravel/rocky desert and mountainous roads well, on one occasion: high desert road to north rim Grand Canyon (Toroweap), survived entering an extremely deep and hardened rut at some 60 MPH (shouldn't have done that), tossing front end skyward and violently to the right, horrendous crunch/thumps and all, from which it recovered with what I assumed had to be a severely damaged wheel and front end. Alignment shop later determined that no damage was suffered although they had to pry out some rocks wedged into control arms...no alignment needed. This is not to say that the other models you mentioned couldn't have fared as well. Maneuverability is superb, turning radius surprisingly tight. The only gripe I have to report after some 10K miles is driver's window which intermittently fails to up/down auto. I continue to enjoy all that I've paid for, all that Honda claims, and remain completely satisfied. Richard |
Re: Pilot vs. competitors?
On Sun, 14 Dec 2003 05:38:43 GMT, "Richard W. Palmer"
<rwpalmer@mchsi.com> wrote: > Honda's fuel economy specs are right on for the Pilot, assuming that you >operate it as an SUV...not too much over speed limits. It handles rough >dirt/gravel/rocky desert and mountainous roads well, on one occasion: high >desert road to north rim Grand Canyon (Toroweap), survived entering an >extremely deep and hardened rut at some 60 MPH (shouldn't have done that), >tossing front end skyward and violently to the right, horrendous >crunch/thumps and all, from which it recovered with what I assumed had to be >a severely damaged wheel and front end. Alignment shop later determined >that no damage was suffered although they had to pry out some rocks wedged >into control arms...no alignment needed. This is not to say that the other >models you mentioned couldn't have fared as well. > Maneuverability is superb, turning radius surprisingly tight. The only >gripe I have to report after some 10K miles is driver's window which >intermittently fails to up/down auto. I continue to enjoy all that I've >paid for, all that Honda claims, and remain completely satisfied. > > Richard > Sounds like my feelings on the Honda are right on, then... Thanks! -Jeff |
Re: Pilot vs. competitors?
On Sun, 14 Dec 2003 05:38:43 GMT, "Richard W. Palmer"
<rwpalmer@mchsi.com> wrote: > Honda's fuel economy specs are right on for the Pilot, assuming that you >operate it as an SUV...not too much over speed limits. It handles rough >dirt/gravel/rocky desert and mountainous roads well, on one occasion: high >desert road to north rim Grand Canyon (Toroweap), survived entering an >extremely deep and hardened rut at some 60 MPH (shouldn't have done that), >tossing front end skyward and violently to the right, horrendous >crunch/thumps and all, from which it recovered with what I assumed had to be >a severely damaged wheel and front end. Alignment shop later determined >that no damage was suffered although they had to pry out some rocks wedged >into control arms...no alignment needed. This is not to say that the other >models you mentioned couldn't have fared as well. > Maneuverability is superb, turning radius surprisingly tight. The only >gripe I have to report after some 10K miles is driver's window which >intermittently fails to up/down auto. I continue to enjoy all that I've >paid for, all that Honda claims, and remain completely satisfied. > > Richard > Sounds like my feelings on the Honda are right on, then... Thanks! -Jeff |
Re: Pilot vs. competitors?
On Sun, 14 Dec 2003 05:38:43 GMT, "Richard W. Palmer"
<rwpalmer@mchsi.com> wrote: > Honda's fuel economy specs are right on for the Pilot, assuming that you >operate it as an SUV...not too much over speed limits. It handles rough >dirt/gravel/rocky desert and mountainous roads well, on one occasion: high >desert road to north rim Grand Canyon (Toroweap), survived entering an >extremely deep and hardened rut at some 60 MPH (shouldn't have done that), >tossing front end skyward and violently to the right, horrendous >crunch/thumps and all, from which it recovered with what I assumed had to be >a severely damaged wheel and front end. Alignment shop later determined >that no damage was suffered although they had to pry out some rocks wedged >into control arms...no alignment needed. This is not to say that the other >models you mentioned couldn't have fared as well. > Maneuverability is superb, turning radius surprisingly tight. The only >gripe I have to report after some 10K miles is driver's window which >intermittently fails to up/down auto. I continue to enjoy all that I've >paid for, all that Honda claims, and remain completely satisfied. > > Richard > Sounds like my feelings on the Honda are right on, then... Thanks! -Jeff |
Re: Pilot vs. competitors?
On Sun, 14 Dec 2003 05:38:43 GMT, "Richard W. Palmer"
<rwpalmer@mchsi.com> wrote: > Honda's fuel economy specs are right on for the Pilot, assuming that you >operate it as an SUV...not too much over speed limits. It handles rough >dirt/gravel/rocky desert and mountainous roads well, on one occasion: high >desert road to north rim Grand Canyon (Toroweap), survived entering an >extremely deep and hardened rut at some 60 MPH (shouldn't have done that), >tossing front end skyward and violently to the right, horrendous >crunch/thumps and all, from which it recovered with what I assumed had to be >a severely damaged wheel and front end. Alignment shop later determined >that no damage was suffered although they had to pry out some rocks wedged >into control arms...no alignment needed. This is not to say that the other >models you mentioned couldn't have fared as well. > Maneuverability is superb, turning radius surprisingly tight. The only >gripe I have to report after some 10K miles is driver's window which >intermittently fails to up/down auto. I continue to enjoy all that I've >paid for, all that Honda claims, and remain completely satisfied. > > Richard > Sounds like my feelings on the Honda are right on, then... Thanks! -Jeff |
Re: Pilot vs. competitors?
not a very fair comparison.......4 Runner that's built on a truck
platform......Tauregs,........... cost allot more $$$....Highlander would be close. Tom "nospam prodigy.net" <ebco@> wrote in message news:tp6ntvg56ijauhqv1um179g3uvc548ck57@4ax.com... > Hi all, > > I'm looking for owner reviews of the Honda Pilot, as I'm considering > buying one of the new 2004's. I'm comparing to Highlanders, Tauregs, > and 4Runners... > > Any help/suggestions? |
Re: Pilot vs. competitors?
not a very fair comparison.......4 Runner that's built on a truck
platform......Tauregs,........... cost allot more $$$....Highlander would be close. Tom "nospam prodigy.net" <ebco@> wrote in message news:tp6ntvg56ijauhqv1um179g3uvc548ck57@4ax.com... > Hi all, > > I'm looking for owner reviews of the Honda Pilot, as I'm considering > buying one of the new 2004's. I'm comparing to Highlanders, Tauregs, > and 4Runners... > > Any help/suggestions? |
Re: Pilot vs. competitors?
not a very fair comparison.......4 Runner that's built on a truck
platform......Tauregs,........... cost allot more $$$....Highlander would be close. Tom "nospam prodigy.net" <ebco@> wrote in message news:tp6ntvg56ijauhqv1um179g3uvc548ck57@4ax.com... > Hi all, > > I'm looking for owner reviews of the Honda Pilot, as I'm considering > buying one of the new 2004's. I'm comparing to Highlanders, Tauregs, > and 4Runners... > > Any help/suggestions? |
Re: Pilot vs. competitors?
not a very fair comparison.......4 Runner that's built on a truck
platform......Tauregs,........... cost allot more $$$....Highlander would be close. Tom "nospam prodigy.net" <ebco@> wrote in message news:tp6ntvg56ijauhqv1um179g3uvc548ck57@4ax.com... > Hi all, > > I'm looking for owner reviews of the Honda Pilot, as I'm considering > buying one of the new 2004's. I'm comparing to Highlanders, Tauregs, > and 4Runners... > > Any help/suggestions? |
Re: Pilot vs. competitors?
I would say in general, that you will find positive reviews on each of
those vehicles. With those four in particular, I think you just need to spend a lot of time looking at and driving each one and determine which one you like the best. You are looking at very different products though however. The Highlander and to some extent the Pilot, which are very much "cars" versus the 4Runner, which is definitely a truck. On Sat, 13 Dec 2003 23:04:58 GMT, ebco@(nospam)prodigy.net wrote: >Hi all, > >I'm looking for owner reviews of the Honda Pilot, as I'm considering >buying one of the new 2004's. I'm comparing to Highlanders, Tauregs, >and 4Runners... > >Any help/suggestions? |
Re: Pilot vs. competitors?
I would say in general, that you will find positive reviews on each of
those vehicles. With those four in particular, I think you just need to spend a lot of time looking at and driving each one and determine which one you like the best. You are looking at very different products though however. The Highlander and to some extent the Pilot, which are very much "cars" versus the 4Runner, which is definitely a truck. On Sat, 13 Dec 2003 23:04:58 GMT, ebco@(nospam)prodigy.net wrote: >Hi all, > >I'm looking for owner reviews of the Honda Pilot, as I'm considering >buying one of the new 2004's. I'm comparing to Highlanders, Tauregs, >and 4Runners... > >Any help/suggestions? |
Re: Pilot vs. competitors?
I would say in general, that you will find positive reviews on each of
those vehicles. With those four in particular, I think you just need to spend a lot of time looking at and driving each one and determine which one you like the best. You are looking at very different products though however. The Highlander and to some extent the Pilot, which are very much "cars" versus the 4Runner, which is definitely a truck. On Sat, 13 Dec 2003 23:04:58 GMT, ebco@(nospam)prodigy.net wrote: >Hi all, > >I'm looking for owner reviews of the Honda Pilot, as I'm considering >buying one of the new 2004's. I'm comparing to Highlanders, Tauregs, >and 4Runners... > >Any help/suggestions? |
Re: Pilot vs. competitors?
I would say in general, that you will find positive reviews on each of
those vehicles. With those four in particular, I think you just need to spend a lot of time looking at and driving each one and determine which one you like the best. You are looking at very different products though however. The Highlander and to some extent the Pilot, which are very much "cars" versus the 4Runner, which is definitely a truck. On Sat, 13 Dec 2003 23:04:58 GMT, ebco@(nospam)prodigy.net wrote: >Hi all, > >I'm looking for owner reviews of the Honda Pilot, as I'm considering >buying one of the new 2004's. I'm comparing to Highlanders, Tauregs, >and 4Runners... > >Any help/suggestions? |
Re: Pilot vs. competitors?
My wife has a 2003 Pilot that she's had a little over a year with no
problems. One recall for a recalibrated SRS control unit. It just turned 15,000, I follow the 'traditional' Honda maintenance format in all our Hondas. The service manual recommendations may get the CoO (cost of ownership) down for the Consumer Reports types but it looks negligent to me. Oil & Filter with tire rotation each 3,750 Lube locks, hinges, window rubbers each 7,500 Trans fluid change every 15,000 Diff (VTM-4) fluid change every 30,000 (after the initial 7,500 mile break-in change) Air Filter and Brake Fluid change every 30,000. Plugs at 60,000 for platinum NGK's. 105K is just too long IMHO. T-belt at 90,000. nospam wrote: > Hi all, > > I'm looking for owner reviews of the Honda Pilot, as I'm considering > buying one of the new 2004's. I'm comparing to Highlanders, Tauregs, > and 4Runners... > > Any help/suggestions? |
Re: Pilot vs. competitors?
My wife has a 2003 Pilot that she's had a little over a year with no
problems. One recall for a recalibrated SRS control unit. It just turned 15,000, I follow the 'traditional' Honda maintenance format in all our Hondas. The service manual recommendations may get the CoO (cost of ownership) down for the Consumer Reports types but it looks negligent to me. Oil & Filter with tire rotation each 3,750 Lube locks, hinges, window rubbers each 7,500 Trans fluid change every 15,000 Diff (VTM-4) fluid change every 30,000 (after the initial 7,500 mile break-in change) Air Filter and Brake Fluid change every 30,000. Plugs at 60,000 for platinum NGK's. 105K is just too long IMHO. T-belt at 90,000. nospam wrote: > Hi all, > > I'm looking for owner reviews of the Honda Pilot, as I'm considering > buying one of the new 2004's. I'm comparing to Highlanders, Tauregs, > and 4Runners... > > Any help/suggestions? |
Re: Pilot vs. competitors?
My wife has a 2003 Pilot that she's had a little over a year with no
problems. One recall for a recalibrated SRS control unit. It just turned 15,000, I follow the 'traditional' Honda maintenance format in all our Hondas. The service manual recommendations may get the CoO (cost of ownership) down for the Consumer Reports types but it looks negligent to me. Oil & Filter with tire rotation each 3,750 Lube locks, hinges, window rubbers each 7,500 Trans fluid change every 15,000 Diff (VTM-4) fluid change every 30,000 (after the initial 7,500 mile break-in change) Air Filter and Brake Fluid change every 30,000. Plugs at 60,000 for platinum NGK's. 105K is just too long IMHO. T-belt at 90,000. nospam wrote: > Hi all, > > I'm looking for owner reviews of the Honda Pilot, as I'm considering > buying one of the new 2004's. I'm comparing to Highlanders, Tauregs, > and 4Runners... > > Any help/suggestions? |
Re: Pilot vs. competitors?
My wife has a 2003 Pilot that she's had a little over a year with no
problems. One recall for a recalibrated SRS control unit. It just turned 15,000, I follow the 'traditional' Honda maintenance format in all our Hondas. The service manual recommendations may get the CoO (cost of ownership) down for the Consumer Reports types but it looks negligent to me. Oil & Filter with tire rotation each 3,750 Lube locks, hinges, window rubbers each 7,500 Trans fluid change every 15,000 Diff (VTM-4) fluid change every 30,000 (after the initial 7,500 mile break-in change) Air Filter and Brake Fluid change every 30,000. Plugs at 60,000 for platinum NGK's. 105K is just too long IMHO. T-belt at 90,000. nospam wrote: > Hi all, > > I'm looking for owner reviews of the Honda Pilot, as I'm considering > buying one of the new 2004's. I'm comparing to Highlanders, Tauregs, > and 4Runners... > > Any help/suggestions? |
Re: Pilot vs. competitors?
On Sat, 13 Dec 2003 23:04:58 GMT, ebco@(nospam)prodigy.net wrote:
>Hi all, > >I'm looking for owner reviews of the Honda Pilot, as I'm considering >buying one of the new 2004's. I'm comparing to Highlanders, Tauregs, >and 4Runners... Toureg's are a different animal altogether and compete more with the Acura MDX (a warmed over Pilot) both in price and execution. It also just won Motor Trends SUV of the year. The 4-Runner is basically a truck and similar to Honda carries about a 15% price just for the badge alone. It jumped upmarket this year in price and in size so it's not really in that group. The three that fit the target you seem to be aiming at is the Toyota Highlander, the Honda Pilot, and the Mitsubishi Endeavor. All of them are based on car platforms, have similar amenities, etc. Motor Trend and another magazine (automobile?) did a shootout not that long ago with a few SUV's where the Endeavor came in 2nd behind the Murano (Nissan), ahead of the BMW X-5 and WAY ahead of the Highlander. The Pilot? Honda evidently withdrew from both tests when they learned who they were competing against... Hmmmmm.... The Murano won based on the new tech though the editors all listed that if you needed the space (the Murry was the smallest by far) that it would have been 4th. If you are serious about the market you'd do well to visit the three dealerships and take all three out for an extended drive (preferably overnight) and see how each fits what you are looking for. Good luck and enjoy. |
Re: Pilot vs. competitors?
On Sat, 13 Dec 2003 23:04:58 GMT, ebco@(nospam)prodigy.net wrote:
>Hi all, > >I'm looking for owner reviews of the Honda Pilot, as I'm considering >buying one of the new 2004's. I'm comparing to Highlanders, Tauregs, >and 4Runners... Toureg's are a different animal altogether and compete more with the Acura MDX (a warmed over Pilot) both in price and execution. It also just won Motor Trends SUV of the year. The 4-Runner is basically a truck and similar to Honda carries about a 15% price just for the badge alone. It jumped upmarket this year in price and in size so it's not really in that group. The three that fit the target you seem to be aiming at is the Toyota Highlander, the Honda Pilot, and the Mitsubishi Endeavor. All of them are based on car platforms, have similar amenities, etc. Motor Trend and another magazine (automobile?) did a shootout not that long ago with a few SUV's where the Endeavor came in 2nd behind the Murano (Nissan), ahead of the BMW X-5 and WAY ahead of the Highlander. The Pilot? Honda evidently withdrew from both tests when they learned who they were competing against... Hmmmmm.... The Murano won based on the new tech though the editors all listed that if you needed the space (the Murry was the smallest by far) that it would have been 4th. If you are serious about the market you'd do well to visit the three dealerships and take all three out for an extended drive (preferably overnight) and see how each fits what you are looking for. Good luck and enjoy. |
Re: Pilot vs. competitors?
On Sat, 13 Dec 2003 23:04:58 GMT, ebco@(nospam)prodigy.net wrote:
>Hi all, > >I'm looking for owner reviews of the Honda Pilot, as I'm considering >buying one of the new 2004's. I'm comparing to Highlanders, Tauregs, >and 4Runners... Toureg's are a different animal altogether and compete more with the Acura MDX (a warmed over Pilot) both in price and execution. It also just won Motor Trends SUV of the year. The 4-Runner is basically a truck and similar to Honda carries about a 15% price just for the badge alone. It jumped upmarket this year in price and in size so it's not really in that group. The three that fit the target you seem to be aiming at is the Toyota Highlander, the Honda Pilot, and the Mitsubishi Endeavor. All of them are based on car platforms, have similar amenities, etc. Motor Trend and another magazine (automobile?) did a shootout not that long ago with a few SUV's where the Endeavor came in 2nd behind the Murano (Nissan), ahead of the BMW X-5 and WAY ahead of the Highlander. The Pilot? Honda evidently withdrew from both tests when they learned who they were competing against... Hmmmmm.... The Murano won based on the new tech though the editors all listed that if you needed the space (the Murry was the smallest by far) that it would have been 4th. If you are serious about the market you'd do well to visit the three dealerships and take all three out for an extended drive (preferably overnight) and see how each fits what you are looking for. Good luck and enjoy. |
Re: Pilot vs. competitors?
On Sat, 13 Dec 2003 23:04:58 GMT, ebco@(nospam)prodigy.net wrote:
>Hi all, > >I'm looking for owner reviews of the Honda Pilot, as I'm considering >buying one of the new 2004's. I'm comparing to Highlanders, Tauregs, >and 4Runners... Toureg's are a different animal altogether and compete more with the Acura MDX (a warmed over Pilot) both in price and execution. It also just won Motor Trends SUV of the year. The 4-Runner is basically a truck and similar to Honda carries about a 15% price just for the badge alone. It jumped upmarket this year in price and in size so it's not really in that group. The three that fit the target you seem to be aiming at is the Toyota Highlander, the Honda Pilot, and the Mitsubishi Endeavor. All of them are based on car platforms, have similar amenities, etc. Motor Trend and another magazine (automobile?) did a shootout not that long ago with a few SUV's where the Endeavor came in 2nd behind the Murano (Nissan), ahead of the BMW X-5 and WAY ahead of the Highlander. The Pilot? Honda evidently withdrew from both tests when they learned who they were competing against... Hmmmmm.... The Murano won based on the new tech though the editors all listed that if you needed the space (the Murry was the smallest by far) that it would have been 4th. If you are serious about the market you'd do well to visit the three dealerships and take all three out for an extended drive (preferably overnight) and see how each fits what you are looking for. Good luck and enjoy. |
Re: Pilot vs. competitors?
Do your homework. For me, the cost per mile is the determining factor.
Based on the premise that the Pilot and the Highlander should be trouble free compared to the American made SUV's, and also get slightly better gas mileage, I am almost convinced that the higher price and the arrogance of the import car dealers is worth it for a 'calculated' cost per mile based on 'averages'. Almost. The money you don't spend on the more expensive vehicle could be put in a bank account to use for the expected repair on the cheaper vehicle. Never buy an extended warrantee, they always find some small print that negates your qualification for a claim. I am only considering slightly used vehicles. If the imports are so good then a few miles and a couple of years of age shouldn't be a determining factor should it. I will not buy a new vehicle. My wife has a 2000 Bravada now and it has been relatively trouble free. It has 55K now. They have the worst reviews by Consumers Digest. Not that I believe everything they say, but they are a good guideline starting point. Had some minor stuff covered under warranty and a $300 repair that I could have done cheaply ($100) if I would have been at home to catch it. I was away at work at the time and not due home for a couple of weeks so she had to get it done at the dealers. It was a leaking transmission cooling line. There are ton of 1 - 2 year old Bravada's and the equivalent other GM's/Fords on the market with less than 30K for $20K - $25K. (I don't even acknowledge the existence of Jeep/Chrysler). I can't find a similar Pilot or Highlander for at least $5k more. The Nissan Pathfinder and Murano are slightly cheaper, but still more than the US made stuff . I wish I could convince my wife to look at a Subaru Forester, that is my overall 1st choice, but she likes to be up high like in a bloody pickup truck. I should mention that I don't often drive her Bravada, I prefer to use my Del Sols, even in the snow. The Subaru's are compact and more car like, yet are still AWD and very reliable and drive nice too. And Cheaper. Good Luck in your decision. Oh, forget the VW, overpriced garbage. nospam prodigy.net" <ebco@> wrote in message news:tp6ntvg56ijauhqv1um179g3uvc548ck57@4ax.com... > Hi all, > > I'm looking for owner reviews of the Honda Pilot, as I'm considering > buying one of the new 2004's. I'm comparing to Highlanders, Tauregs, > and 4Runners... > > Any help/suggestions? |
Re: Pilot vs. competitors?
Do your homework. For me, the cost per mile is the determining factor.
Based on the premise that the Pilot and the Highlander should be trouble free compared to the American made SUV's, and also get slightly better gas mileage, I am almost convinced that the higher price and the arrogance of the import car dealers is worth it for a 'calculated' cost per mile based on 'averages'. Almost. The money you don't spend on the more expensive vehicle could be put in a bank account to use for the expected repair on the cheaper vehicle. Never buy an extended warrantee, they always find some small print that negates your qualification for a claim. I am only considering slightly used vehicles. If the imports are so good then a few miles and a couple of years of age shouldn't be a determining factor should it. I will not buy a new vehicle. My wife has a 2000 Bravada now and it has been relatively trouble free. It has 55K now. They have the worst reviews by Consumers Digest. Not that I believe everything they say, but they are a good guideline starting point. Had some minor stuff covered under warranty and a $300 repair that I could have done cheaply ($100) if I would have been at home to catch it. I was away at work at the time and not due home for a couple of weeks so she had to get it done at the dealers. It was a leaking transmission cooling line. There are ton of 1 - 2 year old Bravada's and the equivalent other GM's/Fords on the market with less than 30K for $20K - $25K. (I don't even acknowledge the existence of Jeep/Chrysler). I can't find a similar Pilot or Highlander for at least $5k more. The Nissan Pathfinder and Murano are slightly cheaper, but still more than the US made stuff . I wish I could convince my wife to look at a Subaru Forester, that is my overall 1st choice, but she likes to be up high like in a bloody pickup truck. I should mention that I don't often drive her Bravada, I prefer to use my Del Sols, even in the snow. The Subaru's are compact and more car like, yet are still AWD and very reliable and drive nice too. And Cheaper. Good Luck in your decision. Oh, forget the VW, overpriced garbage. nospam prodigy.net" <ebco@> wrote in message news:tp6ntvg56ijauhqv1um179g3uvc548ck57@4ax.com... > Hi all, > > I'm looking for owner reviews of the Honda Pilot, as I'm considering > buying one of the new 2004's. I'm comparing to Highlanders, Tauregs, > and 4Runners... > > Any help/suggestions? |
Re: Pilot vs. competitors?
Do your homework. For me, the cost per mile is the determining factor.
Based on the premise that the Pilot and the Highlander should be trouble free compared to the American made SUV's, and also get slightly better gas mileage, I am almost convinced that the higher price and the arrogance of the import car dealers is worth it for a 'calculated' cost per mile based on 'averages'. Almost. The money you don't spend on the more expensive vehicle could be put in a bank account to use for the expected repair on the cheaper vehicle. Never buy an extended warrantee, they always find some small print that negates your qualification for a claim. I am only considering slightly used vehicles. If the imports are so good then a few miles and a couple of years of age shouldn't be a determining factor should it. I will not buy a new vehicle. My wife has a 2000 Bravada now and it has been relatively trouble free. It has 55K now. They have the worst reviews by Consumers Digest. Not that I believe everything they say, but they are a good guideline starting point. Had some minor stuff covered under warranty and a $300 repair that I could have done cheaply ($100) if I would have been at home to catch it. I was away at work at the time and not due home for a couple of weeks so she had to get it done at the dealers. It was a leaking transmission cooling line. There are ton of 1 - 2 year old Bravada's and the equivalent other GM's/Fords on the market with less than 30K for $20K - $25K. (I don't even acknowledge the existence of Jeep/Chrysler). I can't find a similar Pilot or Highlander for at least $5k more. The Nissan Pathfinder and Murano are slightly cheaper, but still more than the US made stuff . I wish I could convince my wife to look at a Subaru Forester, that is my overall 1st choice, but she likes to be up high like in a bloody pickup truck. I should mention that I don't often drive her Bravada, I prefer to use my Del Sols, even in the snow. The Subaru's are compact and more car like, yet are still AWD and very reliable and drive nice too. And Cheaper. Good Luck in your decision. Oh, forget the VW, overpriced garbage. nospam prodigy.net" <ebco@> wrote in message news:tp6ntvg56ijauhqv1um179g3uvc548ck57@4ax.com... > Hi all, > > I'm looking for owner reviews of the Honda Pilot, as I'm considering > buying one of the new 2004's. I'm comparing to Highlanders, Tauregs, > and 4Runners... > > Any help/suggestions? |
Re: Pilot vs. competitors?
Do your homework. For me, the cost per mile is the determining factor.
Based on the premise that the Pilot and the Highlander should be trouble free compared to the American made SUV's, and also get slightly better gas mileage, I am almost convinced that the higher price and the arrogance of the import car dealers is worth it for a 'calculated' cost per mile based on 'averages'. Almost. The money you don't spend on the more expensive vehicle could be put in a bank account to use for the expected repair on the cheaper vehicle. Never buy an extended warrantee, they always find some small print that negates your qualification for a claim. I am only considering slightly used vehicles. If the imports are so good then a few miles and a couple of years of age shouldn't be a determining factor should it. I will not buy a new vehicle. My wife has a 2000 Bravada now and it has been relatively trouble free. It has 55K now. They have the worst reviews by Consumers Digest. Not that I believe everything they say, but they are a good guideline starting point. Had some minor stuff covered under warranty and a $300 repair that I could have done cheaply ($100) if I would have been at home to catch it. I was away at work at the time and not due home for a couple of weeks so she had to get it done at the dealers. It was a leaking transmission cooling line. There are ton of 1 - 2 year old Bravada's and the equivalent other GM's/Fords on the market with less than 30K for $20K - $25K. (I don't even acknowledge the existence of Jeep/Chrysler). I can't find a similar Pilot or Highlander for at least $5k more. The Nissan Pathfinder and Murano are slightly cheaper, but still more than the US made stuff . I wish I could convince my wife to look at a Subaru Forester, that is my overall 1st choice, but she likes to be up high like in a bloody pickup truck. I should mention that I don't often drive her Bravada, I prefer to use my Del Sols, even in the snow. The Subaru's are compact and more car like, yet are still AWD and very reliable and drive nice too. And Cheaper. Good Luck in your decision. Oh, forget the VW, overpriced garbage. nospam prodigy.net" <ebco@> wrote in message news:tp6ntvg56ijauhqv1um179g3uvc548ck57@4ax.com... > Hi all, > > I'm looking for owner reviews of the Honda Pilot, as I'm considering > buying one of the new 2004's. I'm comparing to Highlanders, Tauregs, > and 4Runners... > > Any help/suggestions? |
Re: Pilot vs. competitors?
That's allot of oil change maintenance.
Tom. "Richard C" <noone@triad.rr.com> wrote in message news:p%5Db.117674$Vu5.7639286@twister.southeast.rr .com... > My wife has a 2003 Pilot that she's had a little over a year with no > problems. One recall for a recalibrated SRS control unit. It just turned > 15,000, I follow the 'traditional' Honda maintenance format in all our > Hondas. The service manual recommendations may get the CoO (cost of > ownership) down for the Consumer Reports types but it looks negligent to me. > > Oil & Filter with tire rotation each 3,750 > Lube locks, hinges, window rubbers each 7,500 > Trans fluid change every 15,000 > Diff (VTM-4) fluid change every 30,000 (after the initial 7,500 mile > break-in change) > Air Filter and Brake Fluid change every 30,000. > Plugs at 60,000 for platinum NGK's. 105K is just too long IMHO. > T-belt at 90,000. > > > nospam wrote: > > Hi all, > > > > I'm looking for owner reviews of the Honda Pilot, as I'm considering > > buying one of the new 2004's. I'm comparing to Highlanders, Tauregs, > > and 4Runners... > > > > Any help/suggestions? > |
Re: Pilot vs. competitors?
That's allot of oil change maintenance.
Tom. "Richard C" <noone@triad.rr.com> wrote in message news:p%5Db.117674$Vu5.7639286@twister.southeast.rr .com... > My wife has a 2003 Pilot that she's had a little over a year with no > problems. One recall for a recalibrated SRS control unit. It just turned > 15,000, I follow the 'traditional' Honda maintenance format in all our > Hondas. The service manual recommendations may get the CoO (cost of > ownership) down for the Consumer Reports types but it looks negligent to me. > > Oil & Filter with tire rotation each 3,750 > Lube locks, hinges, window rubbers each 7,500 > Trans fluid change every 15,000 > Diff (VTM-4) fluid change every 30,000 (after the initial 7,500 mile > break-in change) > Air Filter and Brake Fluid change every 30,000. > Plugs at 60,000 for platinum NGK's. 105K is just too long IMHO. > T-belt at 90,000. > > > nospam wrote: > > Hi all, > > > > I'm looking for owner reviews of the Honda Pilot, as I'm considering > > buying one of the new 2004's. I'm comparing to Highlanders, Tauregs, > > and 4Runners... > > > > Any help/suggestions? > |
Re: Pilot vs. competitors?
That's allot of oil change maintenance.
Tom. "Richard C" <noone@triad.rr.com> wrote in message news:p%5Db.117674$Vu5.7639286@twister.southeast.rr .com... > My wife has a 2003 Pilot that she's had a little over a year with no > problems. One recall for a recalibrated SRS control unit. It just turned > 15,000, I follow the 'traditional' Honda maintenance format in all our > Hondas. The service manual recommendations may get the CoO (cost of > ownership) down for the Consumer Reports types but it looks negligent to me. > > Oil & Filter with tire rotation each 3,750 > Lube locks, hinges, window rubbers each 7,500 > Trans fluid change every 15,000 > Diff (VTM-4) fluid change every 30,000 (after the initial 7,500 mile > break-in change) > Air Filter and Brake Fluid change every 30,000. > Plugs at 60,000 for platinum NGK's. 105K is just too long IMHO. > T-belt at 90,000. > > > nospam wrote: > > Hi all, > > > > I'm looking for owner reviews of the Honda Pilot, as I'm considering > > buying one of the new 2004's. I'm comparing to Highlanders, Tauregs, > > and 4Runners... > > > > Any help/suggestions? > |
Re: Pilot vs. competitors?
That's allot of oil change maintenance.
Tom. "Richard C" <noone@triad.rr.com> wrote in message news:p%5Db.117674$Vu5.7639286@twister.southeast.rr .com... > My wife has a 2003 Pilot that she's had a little over a year with no > problems. One recall for a recalibrated SRS control unit. It just turned > 15,000, I follow the 'traditional' Honda maintenance format in all our > Hondas. The service manual recommendations may get the CoO (cost of > ownership) down for the Consumer Reports types but it looks negligent to me. > > Oil & Filter with tire rotation each 3,750 > Lube locks, hinges, window rubbers each 7,500 > Trans fluid change every 15,000 > Diff (VTM-4) fluid change every 30,000 (after the initial 7,500 mile > break-in change) > Air Filter and Brake Fluid change every 30,000. > Plugs at 60,000 for platinum NGK's. 105K is just too long IMHO. > T-belt at 90,000. > > > nospam wrote: > > Hi all, > > > > I'm looking for owner reviews of the Honda Pilot, as I'm considering > > buying one of the new 2004's. I'm comparing to Highlanders, Tauregs, > > and 4Runners... > > > > Any help/suggestions? > |
Re: Pilot vs. competitors?
At 30,000+ I feel it's cheap insurance. We generally keep our vehicles
10+ years. tflfb wrote: > That's allot of oil change maintenance. > > Tom. > "Richard C" <noone@triad.rr.com> wrote in message > news:p%5Db.117674$Vu5.7639286@twister.southeast.rr .com... > >>My wife has a 2003 Pilot that she's had a little over a year with no >>problems. One recall for a recalibrated SRS control unit. It just turned >>15,000, I follow the 'traditional' Honda maintenance format in all our >>Hondas. The service manual recommendations may get the CoO (cost of >>ownership) down for the Consumer Reports types but it looks negligent to > > me. > >>Oil & Filter with tire rotation each 3,750 >>Lube locks, hinges, window rubbers each 7,500 >>Trans fluid change every 15,000 >>Diff (VTM-4) fluid change every 30,000 (after the initial 7,500 mile >>break-in change) >>Air Filter and Brake Fluid change every 30,000. >>Plugs at 60,000 for platinum NGK's. 105K is just too long IMHO. >>T-belt at 90,000. >> >> >>nospam wrote: >> >>>Hi all, >>> >>>I'm looking for owner reviews of the Honda Pilot, as I'm considering >>>buying one of the new 2004's. I'm comparing to Highlanders, Tauregs, >>>and 4Runners... >>> >>>Any help/suggestions? >> > > |
Re: Pilot vs. competitors?
At 30,000+ I feel it's cheap insurance. We generally keep our vehicles
10+ years. tflfb wrote: > That's allot of oil change maintenance. > > Tom. > "Richard C" <noone@triad.rr.com> wrote in message > news:p%5Db.117674$Vu5.7639286@twister.southeast.rr .com... > >>My wife has a 2003 Pilot that she's had a little over a year with no >>problems. One recall for a recalibrated SRS control unit. It just turned >>15,000, I follow the 'traditional' Honda maintenance format in all our >>Hondas. The service manual recommendations may get the CoO (cost of >>ownership) down for the Consumer Reports types but it looks negligent to > > me. > >>Oil & Filter with tire rotation each 3,750 >>Lube locks, hinges, window rubbers each 7,500 >>Trans fluid change every 15,000 >>Diff (VTM-4) fluid change every 30,000 (after the initial 7,500 mile >>break-in change) >>Air Filter and Brake Fluid change every 30,000. >>Plugs at 60,000 for platinum NGK's. 105K is just too long IMHO. >>T-belt at 90,000. >> >> >>nospam wrote: >> >>>Hi all, >>> >>>I'm looking for owner reviews of the Honda Pilot, as I'm considering >>>buying one of the new 2004's. I'm comparing to Highlanders, Tauregs, >>>and 4Runners... >>> >>>Any help/suggestions? >> > > |
Re: Pilot vs. competitors?
At 30,000+ I feel it's cheap insurance. We generally keep our vehicles
10+ years. tflfb wrote: > That's allot of oil change maintenance. > > Tom. > "Richard C" <noone@triad.rr.com> wrote in message > news:p%5Db.117674$Vu5.7639286@twister.southeast.rr .com... > >>My wife has a 2003 Pilot that she's had a little over a year with no >>problems. One recall for a recalibrated SRS control unit. It just turned >>15,000, I follow the 'traditional' Honda maintenance format in all our >>Hondas. The service manual recommendations may get the CoO (cost of >>ownership) down for the Consumer Reports types but it looks negligent to > > me. > >>Oil & Filter with tire rotation each 3,750 >>Lube locks, hinges, window rubbers each 7,500 >>Trans fluid change every 15,000 >>Diff (VTM-4) fluid change every 30,000 (after the initial 7,500 mile >>break-in change) >>Air Filter and Brake Fluid change every 30,000. >>Plugs at 60,000 for platinum NGK's. 105K is just too long IMHO. >>T-belt at 90,000. >> >> >>nospam wrote: >> >>>Hi all, >>> >>>I'm looking for owner reviews of the Honda Pilot, as I'm considering >>>buying one of the new 2004's. I'm comparing to Highlanders, Tauregs, >>>and 4Runners... >>> >>>Any help/suggestions? >> > > |
Re: Pilot vs. competitors?
At 30,000+ I feel it's cheap insurance. We generally keep our vehicles
10+ years. tflfb wrote: > That's allot of oil change maintenance. > > Tom. > "Richard C" <noone@triad.rr.com> wrote in message > news:p%5Db.117674$Vu5.7639286@twister.southeast.rr .com... > >>My wife has a 2003 Pilot that she's had a little over a year with no >>problems. One recall for a recalibrated SRS control unit. It just turned >>15,000, I follow the 'traditional' Honda maintenance format in all our >>Hondas. The service manual recommendations may get the CoO (cost of >>ownership) down for the Consumer Reports types but it looks negligent to > > me. > >>Oil & Filter with tire rotation each 3,750 >>Lube locks, hinges, window rubbers each 7,500 >>Trans fluid change every 15,000 >>Diff (VTM-4) fluid change every 30,000 (after the initial 7,500 mile >>break-in change) >>Air Filter and Brake Fluid change every 30,000. >>Plugs at 60,000 for platinum NGK's. 105K is just too long IMHO. >>T-belt at 90,000. >> >> >>nospam wrote: >> >>>Hi all, >>> >>>I'm looking for owner reviews of the Honda Pilot, as I'm considering >>>buying one of the new 2004's. I'm comparing to Highlanders, Tauregs, >>>and 4Runners... >>> >>>Any help/suggestions? >> > > |
Re: Pilot vs. competitors?
See Consumer Reports in any library.
Pilot rated on top! And I love mine! -- Bob Mill Hall PA "nospam prodigy.net" <ebco@> wrote in message news:tp6ntvg56ijauhqv1um179g3uvc548ck57@4ax.com... > Hi all, > > I'm looking for owner reviews of the Honda Pilot, as I'm considering > buying one of the new 2004's. I'm comparing to Highlanders, Tauregs, > and 4Runners... > > Any help/suggestions? |
Re: Pilot vs. competitors?
See Consumer Reports in any library.
Pilot rated on top! And I love mine! -- Bob Mill Hall PA "nospam prodigy.net" <ebco@> wrote in message news:tp6ntvg56ijauhqv1um179g3uvc548ck57@4ax.com... > Hi all, > > I'm looking for owner reviews of the Honda Pilot, as I'm considering > buying one of the new 2004's. I'm comparing to Highlanders, Tauregs, > and 4Runners... > > Any help/suggestions? |
Re: Pilot vs. competitors?
See Consumer Reports in any library.
Pilot rated on top! And I love mine! -- Bob Mill Hall PA "nospam prodigy.net" <ebco@> wrote in message news:tp6ntvg56ijauhqv1um179g3uvc548ck57@4ax.com... > Hi all, > > I'm looking for owner reviews of the Honda Pilot, as I'm considering > buying one of the new 2004's. I'm comparing to Highlanders, Tauregs, > and 4Runners... > > Any help/suggestions? |
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