Re: Pinging noise on 98 civic after valves ajustment
 

In article <YLR5g.6284$An2.3296@newsread2.news.pas.earthlink. net>, "Elle"
<honda.lioness@nospam.earthlink.net> wrote:

> "Jason" <jason@nospam.com> wrote
> "Elle" <honda.lioness@nospam.earthlink.net> wrote:
> snip
> >> I bought my timing light on Ebay for about $15. Nothing
> >> fancy is needed.
>
> Oops. I shopped Ebay, where timing lights move very fast,
> but not being fast enough, I ended up happily buying an old
> Craftsman timing light at a pawn shop for $15. The pawn shop
> owner let me check it out in the parking lot, first.
>
> >> Not sure this is behind the pinging. I'd be a little
> >> concerned it was coming from the water pump, whose
> >> bearings
> >> make a high pitched cheap-cheap noise, for one, if they
> >> are
> >> near failure.
> >
> > Elle,
> > Thanks for your excellent post. You always seem to provide
> > really great advice. Keep up the great work. We appreciate
> > it. I have learned a lot from your posts and the posts of
> > the
> > other mechanics.
>
> Likewise, Jason. I'd forgot that, of course the ignition
> timing (the one adjusted by twisting the distributor
> housing) can be affected with the installation of a new
> timing belt.

Elle,
You are welcome. Keep up the great work. I wish that I knew
as much about the electronics related to engine controls as
you know. I was a mechanic's helper during those years (1960's)
before they had all of those electronics. It was easy to be
a mechanic in those days. I have a great amount of respect
for the new generation of mechanics. The only draw-back is the
excessive cost of testing equipment. Back in those days, almost
everyone did all of the mechanical work on their cars--that's
not true in these days.
Jason

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Re: Pinging noise on 98 civic after valves ajustment
 

Thanx alot for the links. I am pretty familiar with the timing light
procedure. I thought it was electronicaly controlled or something like
that. Ill check for that too. Thanx alot again.

Re: Pinging noise on 98 civic after valves ajustment
 

Thanx alot for the links. I am pretty familiar with the timing light
procedure. I thought it was electronicaly controlled or something like
that. Ill check for that too. Thanx alot again.

Re: Pinging noise on 98 civic after valves ajustment
 

Thanx alot for the links. I am pretty familiar with the timing light
procedure. I thought it was electronicaly controlled or something like
that. Ill check for that too. Thanx alot again.

Re: Pinging noise on 98 civic after valves ajustment
 

The coolant may not be full as i also replaced the water pump. Why the
computer would retard/advance ignition because the coolant is not full?
What about the timing reset without the service jumper? fill me!
thanx alot all, I now have 3 good points to check: vacuum leak, timing
degree and coolant level!
Im closer and closer ;)

Re: Pinging noise on 98 civic after valves ajustment
 

The coolant may not be full as i also replaced the water pump. Why the
computer would retard/advance ignition because the coolant is not full?
What about the timing reset without the service jumper? fill me!
thanx alot all, I now have 3 good points to check: vacuum leak, timing
degree and coolant level!
Im closer and closer ;)

Re: Pinging noise on 98 civic after valves ajustment
 

The coolant may not be full as i also replaced the water pump. Why the
computer would retard/advance ignition because the coolant is not full?
What about the timing reset without the service jumper? fill me!
thanx alot all, I now have 3 good points to check: vacuum leak, timing
degree and coolant level!
Im closer and closer ;)

Re: Pinging noise on 98 civic after valves ajustment
 

doozcoopey wrote:
>
> Thanx alot for the links. I am pretty familiar with the timing light
> procedure. I thought it was electronicaly controlled or something like
> that. Ill check for that too. Thanx alot again.


---------------------------------

Keep in mind that changing the TB shouldn't throw the ignition timing
out by more than a degree or two. If you find that it's out about 10+
degrees, you can be sure the new belt is not timed correctly (cam
timing), or the OLD BELT was not timed correctly, and somebody
previously adjusted the ignition timing to compensate. Telltale sign:
The distributor should sit in the middle of it's adjustment 'range'. If
it's all the way to one side, something's really wrong.

Since you mentioned water pump, I mentioned AIR in the system (and
heater core). The computer may 'compensate' for a wrong temp reading by
changing timing and fuel-air mix = ping.

'Curly'

Re: Pinging noise on 98 civic after valves ajustment
 

doozcoopey wrote:
>
> Thanx alot for the links. I am pretty familiar with the timing light
> procedure. I thought it was electronicaly controlled or something like
> that. Ill check for that too. Thanx alot again.


---------------------------------

Keep in mind that changing the TB shouldn't throw the ignition timing
out by more than a degree or two. If you find that it's out about 10+
degrees, you can be sure the new belt is not timed correctly (cam
timing), or the OLD BELT was not timed correctly, and somebody
previously adjusted the ignition timing to compensate. Telltale sign:
The distributor should sit in the middle of it's adjustment 'range'. If
it's all the way to one side, something's really wrong.

Since you mentioned water pump, I mentioned AIR in the system (and
heater core). The computer may 'compensate' for a wrong temp reading by
changing timing and fuel-air mix = ping.

'Curly'

Re: Pinging noise on 98 civic after valves ajustment
 

doozcoopey wrote:
>
> Thanx alot for the links. I am pretty familiar with the timing light
> procedure. I thought it was electronicaly controlled or something like
> that. Ill check for that too. Thanx alot again.


---------------------------------

Keep in mind that changing the TB shouldn't throw the ignition timing
out by more than a degree or two. If you find that it's out about 10+
degrees, you can be sure the new belt is not timed correctly (cam
timing), or the OLD BELT was not timed correctly, and somebody
previously adjusted the ignition timing to compensate. Telltale sign:
The distributor should sit in the middle of it's adjustment 'range'. If
it's all the way to one side, something's really wrong.

Since you mentioned water pump, I mentioned AIR in the system (and
heater core). The computer may 'compensate' for a wrong temp reading by
changing timing and fuel-air mix = ping.

'Curly'

Re: Pinging noise on 98 civic after valves ajustment
 

"Jason" <jason@nospam.com> wrote
> I wish that I knew
> as much about the electronics related to engine controls
> as
> you know. I was a mechanic's helper during those years
> (1960's)
> before they had all of those electronics. It was easy to
> be
> a mechanic in those days. I have a great amount of respect
> for the new generation of mechanics. The only draw-back is
> the
> excessive cost of testing equipment. Back in those days,
> almost
> everyone did all of the mechanical work on their
> cars--that's
> not true in these days.

I suspected you were one of those long-time automobile
engineering enthusiasts.

I bet you can diagnose carburetor problems like there's no
tomorrow.

OTOH, just comparing my 91 Civic's bare-bone electronics to,
say, the 2006 Civic's electronics is frightening! My
attitude with my 91 Civic's electronics is replace, don't
repair. Anyone who reads my site's igniter exploration,
where I thought a certain resistor might be a capacitor,
might have suspected this. :-)

Re: Pinging noise on 98 civic after valves ajustment
 

"Jason" <jason@nospam.com> wrote
> I wish that I knew
> as much about the electronics related to engine controls
> as
> you know. I was a mechanic's helper during those years
> (1960's)
> before they had all of those electronics. It was easy to
> be
> a mechanic in those days. I have a great amount of respect
> for the new generation of mechanics. The only draw-back is
> the
> excessive cost of testing equipment. Back in those days,
> almost
> everyone did all of the mechanical work on their
> cars--that's
> not true in these days.

I suspected you were one of those long-time automobile
engineering enthusiasts.

I bet you can diagnose carburetor problems like there's no
tomorrow.

OTOH, just comparing my 91 Civic's bare-bone electronics to,
say, the 2006 Civic's electronics is frightening! My
attitude with my 91 Civic's electronics is replace, don't
repair. Anyone who reads my site's igniter exploration,
where I thought a certain resistor might be a capacitor,
might have suspected this. :-)

Re: Pinging noise on 98 civic after valves ajustment
 

"Jason" <jason@nospam.com> wrote
> I wish that I knew
> as much about the electronics related to engine controls
> as
> you know. I was a mechanic's helper during those years
> (1960's)
> before they had all of those electronics. It was easy to
> be
> a mechanic in those days. I have a great amount of respect
> for the new generation of mechanics. The only draw-back is
> the
> excessive cost of testing equipment. Back in those days,
> almost
> everyone did all of the mechanical work on their
> cars--that's
> not true in these days.

I suspected you were one of those long-time automobile
engineering enthusiasts.

I bet you can diagnose carburetor problems like there's no
tomorrow.

OTOH, just comparing my 91 Civic's bare-bone electronics to,
say, the 2006 Civic's electronics is frightening! My
attitude with my 91 Civic's electronics is replace, don't
repair. Anyone who reads my site's igniter exploration,
where I thought a certain resistor might be a capacitor,
might have suspected this. :-)

Re: Pinging noise on 98 civic after valves ajustment
 

In article <3nU5g.6382$An2.1074@newsread2.news.pas.earthlink. net>, "Elle"
<honda.lioness@nospam.earthlink.net> wrote:

> "Jason" <jason@nospam.com> wrote
> > I wish that I knew
> > as much about the electronics related to engine controls
> > as
> > you know. I was a mechanic's helper during those years
> > (1960's)
> > before they had all of those electronics. It was easy to
> > be
> > a mechanic in those days. I have a great amount of respect
> > for the new generation of mechanics. The only draw-back is
> > the
> > excessive cost of testing equipment. Back in those days,
> > almost
> > everyone did all of the mechanical work on their
> > cars--that's
> > not true in these days.
>
> I suspected you were one of those long-time automobile
> engineering enthusiasts.
>
> I bet you can diagnose carburetor problems like there's no
> tomorrow.
>
> OTOH, just comparing my 91 Civic's bare-bone electronics to,
> say, the 2006 Civic's electronics is frightening! My
> attitude with my 91 Civic's electronics is replace, don't
> repair. Anyone who reads my site's igniter exploration,
> where I thought a certain resistor might be a capacitor,
> might have suspected this. :-)

That is probably the way that most mechanics do it. For example,
I doubt if very many mechanics would be able to repair the ECU.
It would be much easier to replace the ECU than repair it.
One of the mechanics from my generation is of the opinion
that the car companies made the new cars in such a way that
people now have to take their cars to the dealership's shop
and pay for the repairs instead of being able to do their
own repairs of mechanical problems. I doubt if he was correct.
However, it's true that most people are no longer able to
repair their own cars. I don't even have the expensive test
equipment that I need to make any repairs.
You are fortunate to work in a shop that has the expensive
test equipment.
Jason

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Re: Pinging noise on 98 civic after valves ajustment
 

In article <3nU5g.6382$An2.1074@newsread2.news.pas.earthlink. net>, "Elle"
<honda.lioness@nospam.earthlink.net> wrote:

> "Jason" <jason@nospam.com> wrote
> > I wish that I knew
> > as much about the electronics related to engine controls
> > as
> > you know. I was a mechanic's helper during those years
> > (1960's)
> > before they had all of those electronics. It was easy to
> > be
> > a mechanic in those days. I have a great amount of respect
> > for the new generation of mechanics. The only draw-back is
> > the
> > excessive cost of testing equipment. Back in those days,
> > almost
> > everyone did all of the mechanical work on their
> > cars--that's
> > not true in these days.
>
> I suspected you were one of those long-time automobile
> engineering enthusiasts.
>
> I bet you can diagnose carburetor problems like there's no
> tomorrow.
>
> OTOH, just comparing my 91 Civic's bare-bone electronics to,
> say, the 2006 Civic's electronics is frightening! My
> attitude with my 91 Civic's electronics is replace, don't
> repair. Anyone who reads my site's igniter exploration,
> where I thought a certain resistor might be a capacitor,
> might have suspected this. :-)

That is probably the way that most mechanics do it. For example,
I doubt if very many mechanics would be able to repair the ECU.
It would be much easier to replace the ECU than repair it.
One of the mechanics from my generation is of the opinion
that the car companies made the new cars in such a way that
people now have to take their cars to the dealership's shop
and pay for the repairs instead of being able to do their
own repairs of mechanical problems. I doubt if he was correct.
However, it's true that most people are no longer able to
repair their own cars. I don't even have the expensive test
equipment that I need to make any repairs.
You are fortunate to work in a shop that has the expensive
test equipment.
Jason

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