Possible Flaw 2000 Accord EX
09-05-2005, 11:33 AM
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Possible Flaw 2000 Accord EX
My son has the above car with the 5speed transmission. While he was at
school last week, it slipped out of gear and ran into his boss's truck which
caused over $1600+ in damages to my sons car. The Honda Recall site
mentions an ignition problem that might allow the car to slip out of park
but does not mention anything about the manual transmission. Has anyone
heard about this problem with the manual?
Please contact me at cphillips@crsdata.com so I can start a total.
09-05-2005, 11:41 AM
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Re: Possible Flaw 2000 Accord EX
A manual transmission should never be used as a parking brake, always but
the stick in neutral and set the parking brake.
Grahame
"Chuck Phillips" <charlesphillips01@comcast.net> wrote in message
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>
> My son has the above car with the 5speed transmission. While he was at
> school last week, it slipped out of gear and ran into his boss's truck
which
> caused over $1600+ in damages to my sons car. The Honda Recall site
> mentions an ignition problem that might allow the car to slip out of park
> but does not mention anything about the manual transmission. Has anyone
> heard about this problem with the manual?
>
> Please contact me at cphillips@crsdata.com so I can start a total.
>
>
>
the stick in neutral and set the parking brake.
Grahame
"Chuck Phillips" <charlesphillips01@comcast.net> wrote in message
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>
> My son has the above car with the 5speed transmission. While he was at
> school last week, it slipped out of gear and ran into his boss's truck
which
> caused over $1600+ in damages to my sons car. The Honda Recall site
> mentions an ignition problem that might allow the car to slip out of park
> but does not mention anything about the manual transmission. Has anyone
> heard about this problem with the manual?
>
> Please contact me at cphillips@crsdata.com so I can start a total.
>
>
>
09-05-2005, 12:43 PM
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Re: Possible Flaw 2000 Accord EX
In article <uHZSe.4370$vN.159059@news20.bellglobal.com>, "Grahame"
<grahame.news@sympatico.ca> wrote:
> A manual transmission should never be used as a parking brake, always but
> the stick in neutral and set the parking brake.
> Grahame
Grahame,
Great post. I always use the parking brake and NEVER use the transmission
as a parking brake. I guess that ALL people have not yet developed that
habit.
If someone failed to make use of the parking brake--the driver is to blame
for any accident that is caused.
Jason
> "Chuck Phillips" <charlesphillips01@comcast.net> wrote in message
> news:St2dnWdrObDp-IHeRVn-sQ@comcast.com...
> >
> > My son has the above car with the 5speed transmission. While he was at
> > school last week, it slipped out of gear and ran into his boss's truck
> which
> > caused over $1600+ in damages to my sons car. The Honda Recall site
> > mentions an ignition problem that might allow the car to slip out of park
> > but does not mention anything about the manual transmission. Has anyone
> > heard about this problem with the manual?
> >
> > Please contact me at cphillips@crsdata.com so I can start a total.
> >
> >
> >
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<grahame.news@sympatico.ca> wrote:
> A manual transmission should never be used as a parking brake, always but
> the stick in neutral and set the parking brake.
> Grahame
Grahame,
Great post. I always use the parking brake and NEVER use the transmission
as a parking brake. I guess that ALL people have not yet developed that
habit.
If someone failed to make use of the parking brake--the driver is to blame
for any accident that is caused.
Jason
> "Chuck Phillips" <charlesphillips01@comcast.net> wrote in message
> news:St2dnWdrObDp-IHeRVn-sQ@comcast.com...
> >
> > My son has the above car with the 5speed transmission. While he was at
> > school last week, it slipped out of gear and ran into his boss's truck
> which
> > caused over $1600+ in damages to my sons car. The Honda Recall site
> > mentions an ignition problem that might allow the car to slip out of park
> > but does not mention anything about the manual transmission. Has anyone
> > heard about this problem with the manual?
> >
> > Please contact me at cphillips@crsdata.com so I can start a total.
> >
> >
> >
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09-05-2005, 02:12 PM
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Re: Possible Flaw 2000 Accord EX
"Chuck Phillips" <charlesphillips01@comcast.net> wrote in message
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>
> My son has the above car with the 5speed transmission. While he was at
> school last week, it slipped out of gear and ran into his boss's truck
> which caused over $1600+ in damages to my sons car. The Honda Recall site
> mentions an ignition problem that might allow the car to slip out of park
> but does not mention anything about the manual transmission. Has anyone
> heard about this problem with the manual?
>
> Please contact me at cphillips@crsdata.com so I can start a total.
And how many clicks was his parking brake set at? And the parking brake was
last adjusted and serviced when?
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>
> My son has the above car with the 5speed transmission. While he was at
> school last week, it slipped out of gear and ran into his boss's truck
> which caused over $1600+ in damages to my sons car. The Honda Recall site
> mentions an ignition problem that might allow the car to slip out of park
> but does not mention anything about the manual transmission. Has anyone
> heard about this problem with the manual?
>
> Please contact me at cphillips@crsdata.com so I can start a total.
And how many clicks was his parking brake set at? And the parking brake was
last adjusted and serviced when?
09-05-2005, 02:23 PM
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Grahame wrote:
> A manual transmission should never be used as a parking brake, always but
> the stick in neutral and set the parking brake.
> Grahame
sadly untrue. parking brakes can relax and release as they cool if hot
when set. for that reason, /always/ park a stick in gear, especially on
a hill. oh, and for the record, the clutch interlock switch should
prevent even the most forgetful from being able to start the car in gear.
> "Chuck Phillips" <charlesphillips01@comcast.net> wrote in message
> news:St2dnWdrObDp-IHeRVn-sQ@comcast.com...
>
>>My son has the above car with the 5speed transmission. While he was at
>>school last week, it slipped out of gear and ran into his boss's truck
>
> which
>
>>caused over $1600+ in damages to my sons car. The Honda Recall site
>>mentions an ignition problem that might allow the car to slip out of park
>>but does not mention anything about the manual transmission. Has anyone
>>heard about this problem with the manual?
>>
>>Please contact me at cphillips@crsdata.com so I can start a total.
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
> A manual transmission should never be used as a parking brake, always but
> the stick in neutral and set the parking brake.
> Grahame
sadly untrue. parking brakes can relax and release as they cool if hot
when set. for that reason, /always/ park a stick in gear, especially on
a hill. oh, and for the record, the clutch interlock switch should
prevent even the most forgetful from being able to start the car in gear.
> "Chuck Phillips" <charlesphillips01@comcast.net> wrote in message
> news:St2dnWdrObDp-IHeRVn-sQ@comcast.com...
>
>>My son has the above car with the 5speed transmission. While he was at
>>school last week, it slipped out of gear and ran into his boss's truck
>
> which
>
>>caused over $1600+ in damages to my sons car. The Honda Recall site
>>mentions an ignition problem that might allow the car to slip out of park
>>but does not mention anything about the manual transmission. Has anyone
>>heard about this problem with the manual?
>>
>>Please contact me at cphillips@crsdata.com so I can start a total.
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
09-05-2005, 03:37 PM
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Re: Possible Flaw 2000 Accord EX
True, I should have said, a manual trans should never be used as a parking
brake ALONE, set the parking brake and then put the stick in 1st or rev.
"jim beam" <nospam@example.net> wrote in message
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> Grahame wrote:
> > A manual transmission should never be used as a parking brake, always
but
> > the stick in neutral and set the parking brake.
> > Grahame
>
> sadly untrue. parking brakes can relax and release as they cool if hot
> when set. for that reason, /always/ park a stick in gear, especially on
> a hill. oh, and for the record, the clutch interlock switch should
> prevent even the most forgetful from being able to start the car in gear.
>
> > "Chuck Phillips" <charlesphillips01@comcast.net> wrote in message
> > news:St2dnWdrObDp-IHeRVn-sQ@comcast.com...
> >
> >>My son has the above car with the 5speed transmission. While he was at
> >>school last week, it slipped out of gear and ran into his boss's truck
> >
> > which
> >
> >>caused over $1600+ in damages to my sons car. The Honda Recall site
> >>mentions an ignition problem that might allow the car to slip out of
park
> >>but does not mention anything about the manual transmission. Has anyone
> >>heard about this problem with the manual?
> >>
> >>Please contact me at cphillips@crsdata.com so I can start a total.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> >
>
brake ALONE, set the parking brake and then put the stick in 1st or rev.
"jim beam" <nospam@example.net> wrote in message
news:JbKdnXZQzPq4EIHeRVn-1g@speakeasy.net...
> Grahame wrote:
> > A manual transmission should never be used as a parking brake, always
but
> > the stick in neutral and set the parking brake.
> > Grahame
>
> sadly untrue. parking brakes can relax and release as they cool if hot
> when set. for that reason, /always/ park a stick in gear, especially on
> a hill. oh, and for the record, the clutch interlock switch should
> prevent even the most forgetful from being able to start the car in gear.
>
> > "Chuck Phillips" <charlesphillips01@comcast.net> wrote in message
> > news:St2dnWdrObDp-IHeRVn-sQ@comcast.com...
> >
> >>My son has the above car with the 5speed transmission. While he was at
> >>school last week, it slipped out of gear and ran into his boss's truck
> >
> > which
> >
> >>caused over $1600+ in damages to my sons car. The Honda Recall site
> >>mentions an ignition problem that might allow the car to slip out of
park
> >>but does not mention anything about the manual transmission. Has anyone
> >>heard about this problem with the manual?
> >>
> >>Please contact me at cphillips@crsdata.com so I can start a total.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> >
>
09-05-2005, 05:47 PM
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Re: Possible Flaw 2000 Accord EX
"Grahame" <grahame.news@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:381Te.3631$I02.252258@news20.bellglobal.com.. .
> True, I should have said, a manual trans should never be used as a parking
> brake ALONE, set the parking brake and then put the stick in 1st or rev.
One should not just place an automatic transmission in Park either. The
parking brake is there for a reason (not just for playing on slippery roads
<g>) and should be used to ensure the vehicle does not move.
Brian
09-10-2005, 10:56 AM
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Re: Possible Flaw 2000 Accord EX
Chuck Phillips wrote:
>
> My son has the above car with the 5speed transmission. While he was at
> school last week, it slipped out of gear and ran into his boss's truck which
> caused over $1600+ in damages to my sons car. The Honda Recall site
> mentions an ignition problem that might allow the car to slip out of park
> but does not mention anything about the manual transmission. Has anyone
> heard about this problem with the manual?
>
> Please contact me at cphillips@crsdata.com so I can start a total.
No.
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Who can we blame today?
>
> My son has the above car with the 5speed transmission. While he was at
> school last week, it slipped out of gear and ran into his boss's truck which
> caused over $1600+ in damages to my sons car. The Honda Recall site
> mentions an ignition problem that might allow the car to slip out of park
> but does not mention anything about the manual transmission. Has anyone
> heard about this problem with the manual?
>
> Please contact me at cphillips@crsdata.com so I can start a total.
No.
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Who can we blame today?
09-10-2005, 01:38 PM
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Re: Possible Flaw 2000 Accord EX
"Brian Smith" <Halifax@NovaScotia.Canada> wrote in message
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>
> "Grahame" <grahame.news@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> news:381Te.3631$I02.252258@news20.bellglobal.com.. .
>> True, I should have said, a manual trans should never be used as a
>> parking
>> brake ALONE, set the parking brake and then put the stick in 1st or rev.
>
> One should not just place an automatic transmission in Park either. The
> parking brake is there for a reason (not just for playing on slippery
> roads
> <g>) and should be used to ensure the vehicle does not move.
>
> Brian
>
The owner's manual for our Toyota Prius specifically says *not* to use the
parking brake in freezing weather because of the risk of the parking brake
freezing in the set position.
Relying on the braking power of a parking brake will eventually lead to
trouble, as neither the application force nor the effectiveness of the brake
is assured. I know I'm not the only person to drive a while before noticing
the parking brake is still on. Leaving the tranny in gear is all-or-nothing
and does not significantly "soften" over the years. For anything but wet,
freezing weather the best bet is to do both.
Mike
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>
> "Grahame" <grahame.news@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> news:381Te.3631$I02.252258@news20.bellglobal.com.. .
>> True, I should have said, a manual trans should never be used as a
>> parking
>> brake ALONE, set the parking brake and then put the stick in 1st or rev.
>
> One should not just place an automatic transmission in Park either. The
> parking brake is there for a reason (not just for playing on slippery
> roads
> <g>) and should be used to ensure the vehicle does not move.
>
> Brian
>
The owner's manual for our Toyota Prius specifically says *not* to use the
parking brake in freezing weather because of the risk of the parking brake
freezing in the set position.
Relying on the braking power of a parking brake will eventually lead to
trouble, as neither the application force nor the effectiveness of the brake
is assured. I know I'm not the only person to drive a while before noticing
the parking brake is still on. Leaving the tranny in gear is all-or-nothing
and does not significantly "soften" over the years. For anything but wet,
freezing weather the best bet is to do both.
Mike
09-10-2005, 01:40 PM
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Re: Possible Flaw 2000 Accord EX
"Chuck Phillips" <charlesphillips01@comcast.net> wrote in message
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>
> My son has the above car with the 5speed transmission. While he was at
> school last week, it slipped out of gear and ran into his boss's truck
> which caused over $1600+ in damages to my sons car. The Honda Recall site
> mentions an ignition problem that might allow the car to slip out of park
> but does not mention anything about the manual transmission. Has anyone
> heard about this problem with the manual?
>
> Please contact me at cphillips@crsdata.com so I can start a total.
I have never known a manual tranny to pop out of gear when parked. It takes
energy to move the shifter and there is just no place for that energy to
come from. (Not so an automatic, where the parking pawl is not assured of
seating in the first place.) The inescapable conclusion is that the shifter
was left in neutral. It happens to everybody at times - I'm sorry your son's
car was a victim of bad odds.
Mike
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>
> My son has the above car with the 5speed transmission. While he was at
> school last week, it slipped out of gear and ran into his boss's truck
> which caused over $1600+ in damages to my sons car. The Honda Recall site
> mentions an ignition problem that might allow the car to slip out of park
> but does not mention anything about the manual transmission. Has anyone
> heard about this problem with the manual?
>
> Please contact me at cphillips@crsdata.com so I can start a total.
I have never known a manual tranny to pop out of gear when parked. It takes
energy to move the shifter and there is just no place for that energy to
come from. (Not so an automatic, where the parking pawl is not assured of
seating in the first place.) The inescapable conclusion is that the shifter
was left in neutral. It happens to everybody at times - I'm sorry your son's
car was a victim of bad odds.
Mike
09-11-2005, 10:31 AM
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Sorry Mike, but if you own a Honda Accord you would know that it has a very
well sealed parking brake cable and can be relied upon in any weather. I
have been using Honda parking brakes since 1984 and have never had one
freeze.
Grahame
"Michael Pardee" <michaeltnull@cybertrails.com> wrote in message
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> "Brian Smith" <Halifax@NovaScotia.Canada> wrote in message
> news:w13Te.228314$tt5.71646@edtnps90...
> >
> > "Grahame" <grahame.news@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> > news:381Te.3631$I02.252258@news20.bellglobal.com.. .
> >> True, I should have said, a manual trans should never be used as a
> >> parking
> >> brake ALONE, set the parking brake and then put the stick in 1st or
rev.
> >
> > One should not just place an automatic transmission in Park either. The
> > parking brake is there for a reason (not just for playing on slippery
> > roads
> > <g>) and should be used to ensure the vehicle does not move.
> >
> > Brian
> >
> The owner's manual for our Toyota Prius specifically says *not* to use the
> parking brake in freezing weather because of the risk of the parking brake
> freezing in the set position.
>
> Relying on the braking power of a parking brake will eventually lead to
> trouble, as neither the application force nor the effectiveness of the
brake
> is assured. I know I'm not the only person to drive a while before
noticing
> the parking brake is still on. Leaving the tranny in gear is
all-or-nothing
> and does not significantly "soften" over the years. For anything but wet,
> freezing weather the best bet is to do both.
>
> Mike
>
>
well sealed parking brake cable and can be relied upon in any weather. I
have been using Honda parking brakes since 1984 and have never had one
freeze.
Grahame
"Michael Pardee" <michaeltnull@cybertrails.com> wrote in message
news:BL2dne3bG8RjhL7eRVn-pw@sedona.net...
> "Brian Smith" <Halifax@NovaScotia.Canada> wrote in message
> news:w13Te.228314$tt5.71646@edtnps90...
> >
> > "Grahame" <grahame.news@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> > news:381Te.3631$I02.252258@news20.bellglobal.com.. .
> >> True, I should have said, a manual trans should never be used as a
> >> parking
> >> brake ALONE, set the parking brake and then put the stick in 1st or
rev.
> >
> > One should not just place an automatic transmission in Park either. The
> > parking brake is there for a reason (not just for playing on slippery
> > roads
> > <g>) and should be used to ensure the vehicle does not move.
> >
> > Brian
> >
> The owner's manual for our Toyota Prius specifically says *not* to use the
> parking brake in freezing weather because of the risk of the parking brake
> freezing in the set position.
>
> Relying on the braking power of a parking brake will eventually lead to
> trouble, as neither the application force nor the effectiveness of the
brake
> is assured. I know I'm not the only person to drive a while before
noticing
> the parking brake is still on. Leaving the tranny in gear is
all-or-nothing
> and does not significantly "soften" over the years. For anything but wet,
> freezing weather the best bet is to do both.
>
> Mike
>
>
09-11-2005, 02:46 PM
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Re: Possible Flaw 2000 Accord EX
----- Original Message -----
From: "Grahame" <grahame.news@sympatico.ca>
Newsgroups: alt.autos.honda
Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2005 7:31 AM
Subject: Re: Possible Flaw 2000 Accord EX
> Sorry Mike, but if you own a Honda Accord you would know that it has a
> very
> well sealed parking brake cable and can be relied upon in any weather. I
> have been using Honda parking brakes since 1984 and have never had one
> freeze.
> Grahame
>
We have more trouble with the shoes freezing to the drums - not an issue
with 4 wheel disks, but a major headaches with the drums. Water gets into
the drums and will wick between the shoes and the drums if the parking brake
is on. A couple minutes with a propane torch on the drum does the trick.
To each their own, but the blanket advice to use parking brakes is not
something I endorse.
Mike
"Michael Pardee" <michaeltnull@cybertrails.com> wrote in message
> news:BL2dne3bG8RjhL7eRVn-pw@sedona.net...
>> "Brian Smith" <Halifax@NovaScotia.Canada> wrote in message
>> news:w13Te.228314$tt5.71646@edtnps90...
>> >
>> > "Grahame" <grahame.news@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
>> > news:381Te.3631$I02.252258@news20.bellglobal.com.. .
>> >> True, I should have said, a manual trans should never be used as a
>> >> parking
>> >> brake ALONE, set the parking brake and then put the stick in 1st or
> rev.
>> >
>> > One should not just place an automatic transmission in Park either. The
>> > parking brake is there for a reason (not just for playing on slippery
>> > roads
>> > <g>) and should be used to ensure the vehicle does not move.
>> >
>> > Brian
>> >
>> The owner's manual for our Toyota Prius specifically says *not* to use
>> the
>> parking brake in freezing weather because of the risk of the parking
>> brake
>> freezing in the set position.
>>
>> Relying on the braking power of a parking brake will eventually lead to
>> trouble, as neither the application force nor the effectiveness of the
> brake
>> is assured. I know I'm not the only person to drive a while before
> noticing
>> the parking brake is still on. Leaving the tranny in gear is
> all-or-nothing
>> and does not significantly "soften" over the years. For anything but wet,
>> freezing weather the best bet is to do both.
>>
>> Mike
>>
>>
>
>
From: "Grahame" <grahame.news@sympatico.ca>
Newsgroups: alt.autos.honda
Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2005 7:31 AM
Subject: Re: Possible Flaw 2000 Accord EX
> Sorry Mike, but if you own a Honda Accord you would know that it has a
> very
> well sealed parking brake cable and can be relied upon in any weather. I
> have been using Honda parking brakes since 1984 and have never had one
> freeze.
> Grahame
>
We have more trouble with the shoes freezing to the drums - not an issue
with 4 wheel disks, but a major headaches with the drums. Water gets into
the drums and will wick between the shoes and the drums if the parking brake
is on. A couple minutes with a propane torch on the drum does the trick.
To each their own, but the blanket advice to use parking brakes is not
something I endorse.
Mike
"Michael Pardee" <michaeltnull@cybertrails.com> wrote in message
> news:BL2dne3bG8RjhL7eRVn-pw@sedona.net...
>> "Brian Smith" <Halifax@NovaScotia.Canada> wrote in message
>> news:w13Te.228314$tt5.71646@edtnps90...
>> >
>> > "Grahame" <grahame.news@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
>> > news:381Te.3631$I02.252258@news20.bellglobal.com.. .
>> >> True, I should have said, a manual trans should never be used as a
>> >> parking
>> >> brake ALONE, set the parking brake and then put the stick in 1st or
> rev.
>> >
>> > One should not just place an automatic transmission in Park either. The
>> > parking brake is there for a reason (not just for playing on slippery
>> > roads
>> > <g>) and should be used to ensure the vehicle does not move.
>> >
>> > Brian
>> >
>> The owner's manual for our Toyota Prius specifically says *not* to use
>> the
>> parking brake in freezing weather because of the risk of the parking
>> brake
>> freezing in the set position.
>>
>> Relying on the braking power of a parking brake will eventually lead to
>> trouble, as neither the application force nor the effectiveness of the
> brake
>> is assured. I know I'm not the only person to drive a while before
> noticing
>> the parking brake is still on. Leaving the tranny in gear is
> all-or-nothing
>> and does not significantly "soften" over the years. For anything but wet,
>> freezing weather the best bet is to do both.
>>
>> Mike
>>
>>
>
>
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