Power windows - '04 Accord
 

One thing I've noticed that Honda should change on the Accords is that when
the window lock is set by the driver, the driver should still be able to
operate the windows while locking the other passengers, i.e. kids out.
Anyone else annoyed by this?




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Re: Power windows - '04 Accord
 

lol...too funny.I bought a 2001 ex last week and noticed that nuisance last
night...thought it was strange also!
"LBJGH" <bite_mee@hotsnail.back> wrote in message
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> One thing I've noticed that Honda should change on the Accords is that
when
> the window lock is set by the driver, the driver should still be able to
> operate the windows while locking the other passengers, i.e. kids out.
> Anyone else annoyed by this?
>
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Re: Power windows - '04 Accord
 

"LBJGH" <bite_mee@hotsnail.back> wrote in message
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> One thing I've noticed that Honda should change on the Accords is that
when
> the window lock is set by the driver, the driver should still be able to
> operate the windows while locking the other passengers, i.e. kids out.
> Anyone else annoyed by this?

I'm not. I don't find it that difficult to flip a switch to allow operation
of the windows. It's not as if the switch is in the trunk or glove
compartment, it's right there beside the other switch you've got your hand
on.

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Re: Power windows - '04 Accord
 

"Brian Smith" <Halifax@NovaScotia.Canada> wrote in message
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>
> "LBJGH" <bite_mee@hotsnail.back> wrote in message
> news:wllKc.343$S5k.45@news04.bloor.is.net.cable.ro gers.com...
> > One thing I've noticed that Honda should change on the Accords is that
> when
> > the window lock is set by the driver, the driver should still be able to
> > operate the windows while locking the other passengers, i.e. kids out.
> > Anyone else annoyed by this?
>
> I'm not. I don't find it that difficult to flip a switch to allow
operation
> of the windows. It's not as if the switch is in the trunk or glove
> compartment, it's right there beside the other switch you've got your hand
> on.
>
> --
> Brian
>

The point is to give the driver "control" of all the windows in the car.
The driver shouldn't have to give up control even for a few seconds in order
to open his/her own window. No it's not difficult or serious, but it's an
obvious engineering/design flaw that along with the other obvious flaws in
the new version released in 2003 that should have been corrected while the
car was still in design spec. stage.

Other flaws? 1. Location of hood release. 2. Dash level airflow leak
when set for feet or windshield. 3. No interior light sensor to adjust
dash lights brighter when headlights on during daylight (overcast, rain,
etc.). All minor annoyances to be sure, in an otherwise fine vehicle, but
ones that would have cost little to nothing to rectify if recognized early
enough.


Bob

Re: Power windows - '04 Accord
 

If you had small kids that rode in the back seats you'd understand.

The switch shouldn't disable the drivers functions... even my crappy chevy
malibu got it right.

> I'm not. I don't find it that difficult to flip a switch to allow
operation
> of the windows. It's not as if the switch is in the trunk or glove
> compartment, it's right there beside the other switch you've got your hand
> on.
>
> --
> Brian



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Re: Power windows - '04 Accord
 

Hey Bob, I haven't noticed the other concerns you noted...

.... as far a dash illumination have you tried turning the trip odometer all
the way to the right while using the head lights during the day?


"rjdriver" <rjdrivers@cox.net> wrote in message
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> "Brian Smith" <Halifax@NovaScotia.Canada> wrote in message
> news:gcsKc.32638$vO1.154778@nnrp1.uunet.ca...
> >
> > "LBJGH" <bite_mee@hotsnail.back> wrote in message
> > news:wllKc.343$S5k.45@news04.bloor.is.net.cable.ro gers.com...
> > > One thing I've noticed that Honda should change on the Accords is that
> > when
> > > the window lock is set by the driver, the driver should still be able
to
> > > operate the windows while locking the other passengers, i.e. kids out.
> > > Anyone else annoyed by this?
> >
> > I'm not. I don't find it that difficult to flip a switch to allow
> operation
> > of the windows. It's not as if the switch is in the trunk or glove
> > compartment, it's right there beside the other switch you've got your
hand
> > on.
> >
> > --
> > Brian
> >
>
> The point is to give the driver "control" of all the windows in the
car.
> The driver shouldn't have to give up control even for a few seconds in
order
> to open his/her own window. No it's not difficult or serious, but it's an
> obvious engineering/design flaw that along with the other obvious flaws in
> the new version released in 2003 that should have been corrected while the
> car was still in design spec. stage.
>
> Other flaws? 1. Location of hood release. 2. Dash level airflow
leak
> when set for feet or windshield. 3. No interior light sensor to adjust
> dash lights brighter when headlights on during daylight (overcast, rain,
> etc.). All minor annoyances to be sure, in an otherwise fine vehicle, but
> ones that would have cost little to nothing to rectify if recognized early
> enough.
>
>
> Bob
>
>


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Re: Power windows - '04 Accord
 

"rjdriver" <rjdrivers@cox.net> wrote in message
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>
> The point is to give the driver "control" of all the windows in the
car.
> The driver shouldn't have to give up control even for a few seconds in
order
> to open his/her own window. No it's not difficult or serious, but it's an
> obvious engineering/design flaw that along with the other obvious flaws in
> the new version released in 2003 that should have been corrected while the
> car was still in design spec. stage.

In my opinion, the driver still has complete control over all of the windows
in the car. A split second is all it takes to flip the switch to the other
position to control the windows other than the driver's. Am I missing
something here? Are you saying that the driver's window is controlled by the
master switch now?

> Other flaws? 1. Location of hood release.

I've had every 2004 model out for test drives, and had every compartment
door or cover opened. I didn't find any releases to be in a strange or
difficult to access location.

>2. Dash level airflow leak when set for feet or windshield.

Is this something peculilar to your vehicle or do you believe that every
model has the same problem? I never noticed it in any of the vehicles I had
out.

>3. No interior light sensor to adjust dash lights brighter when headlights
on during daylight (overcast, >rain, etc.).

This is something that I don't believe Honda will ever do anything about. I
found it a nuisance annoyance back in '79 with my first Accord (but, then
reaching forward and turning the dash lighting control up, solved that
problem). I've become oblivious to this minor inconvenience, in much the
same way that many people deal the speed limit ;^)

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Re: Power windows - '04 Accord
 

"LBJGH" <bite_mee@hotsnail.back> wrote in message
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> If you had small kids that rode in the back seats you'd understand.

Thankfully, I am blessed with the fact that the two of ours are out on their
own. That aside, I don't see what possible difference that makes to having
to flip a switch. Maybe I don't see the problem, because I very seldom have
any need to put my windows down or up.

> The switch shouldn't disable the drivers functions... even my crappy chevy
> malibu got it right.

That's something I'll agree with 'crappy chevy'. I never had any luck with
that manufacturer. Their vehicles spent more time in their shops then they
did in my driveway (a wee bit of an exaggeration, but not too far off the
mark).

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Re: Power windows - '04 Accord
 

In article <JFvKc.32714$vO1.155278@nnrp1.uunet.ca>,
"Brian Smith" <Halifax@NovaScotia.Canada> wrote:

> > If you had small kids that rode in the back seats you'd understand.
>
> Thankfully, I am blessed with the fact that the two of ours are out on their
> own. That aside, I don't see what possible difference that makes to having
> to flip a switch.

The point is, once you flip the switch to give yourself control, you
also give the kid control--and now it's a battle for you to get the
window up and the switch flipped back while the kid is fighting to get
the window down.

The lockout switch *should* disable local control switches while leaving
the main control switches at the driver's door enabled.

Get it now? It's obviously been a long, long time since you've had kids.

Re: Power windows - '04 Accord
 

In article <9zvKc.32709$vO1.155230@nnrp1.uunet.ca>,
"Brian Smith" <Halifax@NovaScotia.Canada> wrote:

> >3. No interior light sensor to adjust dash lights brighter when headlights
> on during daylight (overcast, >rain, etc.).
>
> This is something that I don't believe Honda will ever do anything about. I
> found it a nuisance annoyance back in '79 with my first Accord (but, then
> reaching forward and turning the dash lighting control up, solved that
> problem).

But the 04 is way, way different than anything before it with respect to
the dash lighting. In a normal car, in daylight conditions where you'd
want the headlights on, it doesn't matter--because the dash lights
aren't required to see the instruments. You don't even know they're on,
quite frankly.

But in the 03 and up Accord, the dash is black until the car comes on.
When you turn the headlights on, the car ASSUMES--that's a bad
thing--that it's nighttime out, and so it automatically lowers the
REQUIRED instrument lighting a good deal.

The car has no way to accommodate those situations where it's not really
dark out and the dash lights SHOULDN'T be down that far as if it were
dark out.

In other words, the car should have a small light sensor on it to guide
the behavior of the REQUIRED instrument backlighting, such that the
instruments are still visible in the daylight even though you may have
CHOSEN to turn the headlights on.

Either you're just not getting it, or you're out to cause an argument.

Re: Power windows - '04 Accord
 

In article <9zvKc.32709$vO1.155230@nnrp1.uunet.ca>,
"Brian Smith" <Halifax@NovaScotia.Canada> wrote:

> In my opinion, the driver still has complete control over all of the windows
> in the car. A split second is all it takes to flip the switch to the other
> position to control the windows other than the driver's. Am I missing
> something here?

Yup. You're missing the point that once the master on/off switch is set
to on in order to give the driver control, you've also given the kid
control. You're missing the battle that goes on between the kid using
his switch and the driver using his switch.



> Are you saying that the driver's window is controlled by the
> master switch now?

He's been saying that all along. The master switch is master--and it
cuts out the driver's switch, too, which shouldn't be.

Re: Power windows - '04 Accord
 

"Elmo P. Shagnasty" <elmop@nastydesigns.com> wrote in message
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>
> The point is, once you flip the switch to give yourself control, you
> also give the kid control--and now it's a battle for you to get the
> window up and the switch flipped back while the kid is fighting to get
> the window down.

I didn't realize that the '04's master switch disabled the driver's window
control.

> The lockout switch *should* disable local control switches while leaving
> the main control switches at the driver's door enabled.

Okay, the fog is lifting <g>! I see what thought the other fellow was trying
to convey.

> Get it now? It's obviously been a long, long time since you've had kids.

It would be just a matter of tellng the child to stop and put the window
back up. At least my children listened to me when they were little. But,
then again, they still listen to me now while they're in their twenties.

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Re: Power windows - '04 Accord
 

In article <g%vKc.32728$vO1.155129@nnrp1.uunet.ca>,
"Brian Smith" <Halifax@NovaScotia.Canada> wrote:

> > Get it now? It's obviously been a long, long time since you've had kids.
>
> It would be just a matter of tellng the child to stop and put the window
> back up.

Generally it is, but some kids sometimes get it in their minds not to
listen.

Re: Power windows - '04 Accord
 

"LBJGH" <bite_mee@hotsnail.back> wrote in message
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> Hey Bob, I haven't noticed the other concerns you noted...
>
> ... as far a dash illumination have you tried turning the trip odometer
all
> the way to the right while using the head lights during the day?


Sure - I can manually adjust the brightness to maximum when I turn the
headlights on in daylight, but then I have to manually adjust it back to my
preferred nighttime setting later on after dark. Extra work and distraction
from driving that should not be necessary. An interior cabin light sensor
would have been a much more elegant solution.


Bob


>
>
> "rjdriver" <rjdrivers@cox.net> wrote in message
> news:dUuKc.2965$_K2.983@lakeread02...
> >
> > "Brian Smith" <Halifax@NovaScotia.Canada> wrote in message
> > news:gcsKc.32638$vO1.154778@nnrp1.uunet.ca...
> > >
> > > "LBJGH" <bite_mee@hotsnail.back> wrote in message
> > > news:wllKc.343$S5k.45@news04.bloor.is.net.cable.ro gers.com...
> > > > One thing I've noticed that Honda should change on the Accords is
that
> > > when
> > > > the window lock is set by the driver, the driver should still be
able
> to
> > > > operate the windows while locking the other passengers, i.e. kids
out.
> > > > Anyone else annoyed by this?
> > >
> > > I'm not. I don't find it that difficult to flip a switch to allow
> > operation
> > > of the windows. It's not as if the switch is in the trunk or glove
> > > compartment, it's right there beside the other switch you've got your
> hand
> > > on.
> > >
> > > --
> > > Brian
> > >
> >
> > The point is to give the driver "control" of all the windows in the
> car.
> > The driver shouldn't have to give up control even for a few seconds in
> order
> > to open his/her own window. No it's not difficult or serious, but it's
an
> > obvious engineering/design flaw that along with the other obvious flaws
in
> > the new version released in 2003 that should have been corrected while
the
> > car was still in design spec. stage.
> >
> > Other flaws? 1. Location of hood release. 2. Dash level airflow
> leak
> > when set for feet or windshield. 3. No interior light sensor to adjust
> > dash lights brighter when headlights on during daylight (overcast, rain,
> > etc.). All minor annoyances to be sure, in an otherwise fine vehicle,
but
> > ones that would have cost little to nothing to rectify if recognized
early
> > enough.
> >
> >
> > Bob
> >
> >
>
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Re: Power windows - '04 Accord
 

GEE
Did you buy a Honda Accord or a >50K Lexus LS 430?

Typical American, needs to ask permission to an arm in order to move the
other one.

rjdriver wrote:
> "LBJGH" <bite_mee@hotsnail.back> wrote in message
> news:b5vKc.2455$_9r.317@news04.bloor.is.net.cable. rogers.com...
>
>>Hey Bob, I haven't noticed the other concerns you noted...
>>
>>... as far a dash illumination have you tried turning the trip odometer
>
> all
>
>>the way to the right while using the head lights during the day?
>
>
>
> Sure - I can manually adjust the brightness to maximum when I turn the
> headlights on in daylight, but then I have to manually adjust it back to my
> preferred nighttime setting later on after dark. Extra work and distraction
> from driving that should not be necessary. An interior cabin light sensor
> would have been a much more elegant solution.
>
>
> Bob
>
>
>
>>
>>"rjdriver" <rjdrivers@cox.net> wrote in message
>>news:dUuKc.2965$_K2.983@lakeread02...
>>
>>>"Brian Smith" <Halifax@NovaScotia.Canada> wrote in message
>>>news:gcsKc.32638$vO1.154778@nnrp1.uunet.ca...
>>>
>>>>"LBJGH" <bite_mee@hotsnail.back> wrote in message
>>>>news:wllKc.343$S5k.45@news04.bloor.is.net.cabl e.rogers.com...
>>>>
>>>>>One thing I've noticed that Honda should change on the Accords is
>
> that
>
>>>>when
>>>>
>>>>>the window lock is set by the driver, the driver should still be
>
> able
>
>>to
>>
>>>>>operate the windows while locking the other passengers, i.e. kids
>
> out.
>
>>>>>Anyone else annoyed by this?
>>>>
>>>>I'm not. I don't find it that difficult to flip a switch to allow
>>>
>>>operation
>>>
>>>>of the windows. It's not as if the switch is in the trunk or glove
>>>>compartment, it's right there beside the other switch you've got your
>>
>>hand
>>
>>>>on.
>>>>
>>>>--
>>>>Brian
>>>>
>>>
>>> The point is to give the driver "control" of all the windows in the
>>
>>car.
>>
>>>The driver shouldn't have to give up control even for a few seconds in
>>
>>order
>>
>>>to open his/her own window. No it's not difficult or serious, but it's
>
> an
>
>>>obvious engineering/design flaw that along with the other obvious flaws
>
> in
>
>>>the new version released in 2003 that should have been corrected while
>
> the
>
>>>car was still in design spec. stage.
>>>
>>> Other flaws? 1. Location of hood release. 2. Dash level airflow
>>
>>leak
>>
>>>when set for feet or windshield. 3. No interior light sensor to adjust
>>>dash lights brighter when headlights on during daylight (overcast, rain,
>>>etc.). All minor annoyances to be sure, in an otherwise fine vehicle,
>
> but
>
>>>ones that would have cost little to nothing to rectify if recognized
>
> early
>
>>>enough.
>>>
>>>
>>>Bob
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
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