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Power windows - '04 Accord
One thing I've noticed that Honda should change on the Accords is that when
the window lock is set by the driver, the driver should still be able to operate the windows while locking the other passengers, i.e. kids out. Anyone else annoyed by this? --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.720 / Virus Database: 476 - Release Date: 7/14/2004 |
Re: Power windows - '04 Accord
lol...too funny.I bought a 2001 ex last week and noticed that nuisance last
night...thought it was strange also! "LBJGH" <bite_mee@hotsnail.back> wrote in message news:wllKc.343$S5k.45@news04.bloor.is.net.cable.ro gers.com... > One thing I've noticed that Honda should change on the Accords is that when > the window lock is set by the driver, the driver should still be able to > operate the windows while locking the other passengers, i.e. kids out. > Anyone else annoyed by this? > > > > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.720 / Virus Database: 476 - Release Date: 7/14/2004 > > |
Re: Power windows - '04 Accord
"LBJGH" <bite_mee@hotsnail.back> wrote in message news:wllKc.343$S5k.45@news04.bloor.is.net.cable.ro gers.com... > One thing I've noticed that Honda should change on the Accords is that when > the window lock is set by the driver, the driver should still be able to > operate the windows while locking the other passengers, i.e. kids out. > Anyone else annoyed by this? I'm not. I don't find it that difficult to flip a switch to allow operation of the windows. It's not as if the switch is in the trunk or glove compartment, it's right there beside the other switch you've got your hand on. -- Brian www.cakesbydarlene.ca www.accesswave.ca/~orion |
Re: Power windows - '04 Accord
"Brian Smith" <Halifax@NovaScotia.Canada> wrote in message news:gcsKc.32638$vO1.154778@nnrp1.uunet.ca... > > "LBJGH" <bite_mee@hotsnail.back> wrote in message > news:wllKc.343$S5k.45@news04.bloor.is.net.cable.ro gers.com... > > One thing I've noticed that Honda should change on the Accords is that > when > > the window lock is set by the driver, the driver should still be able to > > operate the windows while locking the other passengers, i.e. kids out. > > Anyone else annoyed by this? > > I'm not. I don't find it that difficult to flip a switch to allow operation > of the windows. It's not as if the switch is in the trunk or glove > compartment, it's right there beside the other switch you've got your hand > on. > > -- > Brian > The point is to give the driver "control" of all the windows in the car. The driver shouldn't have to give up control even for a few seconds in order to open his/her own window. No it's not difficult or serious, but it's an obvious engineering/design flaw that along with the other obvious flaws in the new version released in 2003 that should have been corrected while the car was still in design spec. stage. Other flaws? 1. Location of hood release. 2. Dash level airflow leak when set for feet or windshield. 3. No interior light sensor to adjust dash lights brighter when headlights on during daylight (overcast, rain, etc.). All minor annoyances to be sure, in an otherwise fine vehicle, but ones that would have cost little to nothing to rectify if recognized early enough. Bob |
Re: Power windows - '04 Accord
If you had small kids that rode in the back seats you'd understand.
The switch shouldn't disable the drivers functions... even my crappy chevy malibu got it right. > I'm not. I don't find it that difficult to flip a switch to allow operation > of the windows. It's not as if the switch is in the trunk or glove > compartment, it's right there beside the other switch you've got your hand > on. > > -- > Brian --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.720 / Virus Database: 476 - Release Date: 7/14/2004 |
Re: Power windows - '04 Accord
Hey Bob, I haven't noticed the other concerns you noted...
.... as far a dash illumination have you tried turning the trip odometer all the way to the right while using the head lights during the day? "rjdriver" <rjdrivers@cox.net> wrote in message news:dUuKc.2965$_K2.983@lakeread02... > > "Brian Smith" <Halifax@NovaScotia.Canada> wrote in message > news:gcsKc.32638$vO1.154778@nnrp1.uunet.ca... > > > > "LBJGH" <bite_mee@hotsnail.back> wrote in message > > news:wllKc.343$S5k.45@news04.bloor.is.net.cable.ro gers.com... > > > One thing I've noticed that Honda should change on the Accords is that > > when > > > the window lock is set by the driver, the driver should still be able to > > > operate the windows while locking the other passengers, i.e. kids out. > > > Anyone else annoyed by this? > > > > I'm not. I don't find it that difficult to flip a switch to allow > operation > > of the windows. It's not as if the switch is in the trunk or glove > > compartment, it's right there beside the other switch you've got your hand > > on. > > > > -- > > Brian > > > > The point is to give the driver "control" of all the windows in the car. > The driver shouldn't have to give up control even for a few seconds in order > to open his/her own window. No it's not difficult or serious, but it's an > obvious engineering/design flaw that along with the other obvious flaws in > the new version released in 2003 that should have been corrected while the > car was still in design spec. stage. > > Other flaws? 1. Location of hood release. 2. Dash level airflow leak > when set for feet or windshield. 3. No interior light sensor to adjust > dash lights brighter when headlights on during daylight (overcast, rain, > etc.). All minor annoyances to be sure, in an otherwise fine vehicle, but > ones that would have cost little to nothing to rectify if recognized early > enough. > > > Bob > > --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.720 / Virus Database: 476 - Release Date: 7/14/2004 |
Re: Power windows - '04 Accord
"rjdriver" <rjdrivers@cox.net> wrote in message news:dUuKc.2965$_K2.983@lakeread02... > > The point is to give the driver "control" of all the windows in the car. > The driver shouldn't have to give up control even for a few seconds in order > to open his/her own window. No it's not difficult or serious, but it's an > obvious engineering/design flaw that along with the other obvious flaws in > the new version released in 2003 that should have been corrected while the > car was still in design spec. stage. In my opinion, the driver still has complete control over all of the windows in the car. A split second is all it takes to flip the switch to the other position to control the windows other than the driver's. Am I missing something here? Are you saying that the driver's window is controlled by the master switch now? > Other flaws? 1. Location of hood release. I've had every 2004 model out for test drives, and had every compartment door or cover opened. I didn't find any releases to be in a strange or difficult to access location. >2. Dash level airflow leak when set for feet or windshield. Is this something peculilar to your vehicle or do you believe that every model has the same problem? I never noticed it in any of the vehicles I had out. >3. No interior light sensor to adjust dash lights brighter when headlights on during daylight (overcast, >rain, etc.). This is something that I don't believe Honda will ever do anything about. I found it a nuisance annoyance back in '79 with my first Accord (but, then reaching forward and turning the dash lighting control up, solved that problem). I've become oblivious to this minor inconvenience, in much the same way that many people deal the speed limit ;^) -- Brian www.cakesbydarlene.ca www.accesswave.ca/~orion |
Re: Power windows - '04 Accord
"LBJGH" <bite_mee@hotsnail.back> wrote in message news:W2vKc.2454$_9r.1427@news04.bloor.is.net.cable .rogers.com... > If you had small kids that rode in the back seats you'd understand. Thankfully, I am blessed with the fact that the two of ours are out on their own. That aside, I don't see what possible difference that makes to having to flip a switch. Maybe I don't see the problem, because I very seldom have any need to put my windows down or up. > The switch shouldn't disable the drivers functions... even my crappy chevy > malibu got it right. That's something I'll agree with 'crappy chevy'. I never had any luck with that manufacturer. Their vehicles spent more time in their shops then they did in my driveway (a wee bit of an exaggeration, but not too far off the mark). -- Brian www.cakesbydarlene.ca www.accesswave.ca/~orion |
Re: Power windows - '04 Accord
In article <JFvKc.32714$vO1.155278@nnrp1.uunet.ca>,
"Brian Smith" <Halifax@NovaScotia.Canada> wrote: > > If you had small kids that rode in the back seats you'd understand. > > Thankfully, I am blessed with the fact that the two of ours are out on their > own. That aside, I don't see what possible difference that makes to having > to flip a switch. The point is, once you flip the switch to give yourself control, you also give the kid control--and now it's a battle for you to get the window up and the switch flipped back while the kid is fighting to get the window down. The lockout switch *should* disable local control switches while leaving the main control switches at the driver's door enabled. Get it now? It's obviously been a long, long time since you've had kids. |
Re: Power windows - '04 Accord
In article <9zvKc.32709$vO1.155230@nnrp1.uunet.ca>,
"Brian Smith" <Halifax@NovaScotia.Canada> wrote: > >3. No interior light sensor to adjust dash lights brighter when headlights > on during daylight (overcast, >rain, etc.). > > This is something that I don't believe Honda will ever do anything about. I > found it a nuisance annoyance back in '79 with my first Accord (but, then > reaching forward and turning the dash lighting control up, solved that > problem). But the 04 is way, way different than anything before it with respect to the dash lighting. In a normal car, in daylight conditions where you'd want the headlights on, it doesn't matter--because the dash lights aren't required to see the instruments. You don't even know they're on, quite frankly. But in the 03 and up Accord, the dash is black until the car comes on. When you turn the headlights on, the car ASSUMES--that's a bad thing--that it's nighttime out, and so it automatically lowers the REQUIRED instrument lighting a good deal. The car has no way to accommodate those situations where it's not really dark out and the dash lights SHOULDN'T be down that far as if it were dark out. In other words, the car should have a small light sensor on it to guide the behavior of the REQUIRED instrument backlighting, such that the instruments are still visible in the daylight even though you may have CHOSEN to turn the headlights on. Either you're just not getting it, or you're out to cause an argument. |
Re: Power windows - '04 Accord
In article <9zvKc.32709$vO1.155230@nnrp1.uunet.ca>,
"Brian Smith" <Halifax@NovaScotia.Canada> wrote: > In my opinion, the driver still has complete control over all of the windows > in the car. A split second is all it takes to flip the switch to the other > position to control the windows other than the driver's. Am I missing > something here? Yup. You're missing the point that once the master on/off switch is set to on in order to give the driver control, you've also given the kid control. You're missing the battle that goes on between the kid using his switch and the driver using his switch. > Are you saying that the driver's window is controlled by the > master switch now? He's been saying that all along. The master switch is master--and it cuts out the driver's switch, too, which shouldn't be. |
Re: Power windows - '04 Accord
"Elmo P. Shagnasty" <elmop@nastydesigns.com> wrote in message news:elmop-9D4294.10335518072004@text.usenetserver.com... > > The point is, once you flip the switch to give yourself control, you > also give the kid control--and now it's a battle for you to get the > window up and the switch flipped back while the kid is fighting to get > the window down. I didn't realize that the '04's master switch disabled the driver's window control. > The lockout switch *should* disable local control switches while leaving > the main control switches at the driver's door enabled. Okay, the fog is lifting <g>! I see what thought the other fellow was trying to convey. > Get it now? It's obviously been a long, long time since you've had kids. It would be just a matter of tellng the child to stop and put the window back up. At least my children listened to me when they were little. But, then again, they still listen to me now while they're in their twenties. -- Brian www.cakesbydarlene.ca www.accesswave.ca/~orion |
Re: Power windows - '04 Accord
In article <g%vKc.32728$vO1.155129@nnrp1.uunet.ca>,
"Brian Smith" <Halifax@NovaScotia.Canada> wrote: > > Get it now? It's obviously been a long, long time since you've had kids. > > It would be just a matter of tellng the child to stop and put the window > back up. Generally it is, but some kids sometimes get it in their minds not to listen. |
Re: Power windows - '04 Accord
"LBJGH" <bite_mee@hotsnail.back> wrote in message news:b5vKc.2455$_9r.317@news04.bloor.is.net.cable. rogers.com... > Hey Bob, I haven't noticed the other concerns you noted... > > ... as far a dash illumination have you tried turning the trip odometer all > the way to the right while using the head lights during the day? Sure - I can manually adjust the brightness to maximum when I turn the headlights on in daylight, but then I have to manually adjust it back to my preferred nighttime setting later on after dark. Extra work and distraction from driving that should not be necessary. An interior cabin light sensor would have been a much more elegant solution. Bob > > > "rjdriver" <rjdrivers@cox.net> wrote in message > news:dUuKc.2965$_K2.983@lakeread02... > > > > "Brian Smith" <Halifax@NovaScotia.Canada> wrote in message > > news:gcsKc.32638$vO1.154778@nnrp1.uunet.ca... > > > > > > "LBJGH" <bite_mee@hotsnail.back> wrote in message > > > news:wllKc.343$S5k.45@news04.bloor.is.net.cable.ro gers.com... > > > > One thing I've noticed that Honda should change on the Accords is that > > > when > > > > the window lock is set by the driver, the driver should still be able > to > > > > operate the windows while locking the other passengers, i.e. kids out. > > > > Anyone else annoyed by this? > > > > > > I'm not. I don't find it that difficult to flip a switch to allow > > operation > > > of the windows. It's not as if the switch is in the trunk or glove > > > compartment, it's right there beside the other switch you've got your > hand > > > on. > > > > > > -- > > > Brian > > > > > > > The point is to give the driver "control" of all the windows in the > car. > > The driver shouldn't have to give up control even for a few seconds in > order > > to open his/her own window. No it's not difficult or serious, but it's an > > obvious engineering/design flaw that along with the other obvious flaws in > > the new version released in 2003 that should have been corrected while the > > car was still in design spec. stage. > > > > Other flaws? 1. Location of hood release. 2. Dash level airflow > leak > > when set for feet or windshield. 3. No interior light sensor to adjust > > dash lights brighter when headlights on during daylight (overcast, rain, > > etc.). All minor annoyances to be sure, in an otherwise fine vehicle, but > > ones that would have cost little to nothing to rectify if recognized early > > enough. > > > > > > Bob > > > > > > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.720 / Virus Database: 476 - Release Date: 7/14/2004 > > |
Re: Power windows - '04 Accord
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Did you buy a Honda Accord or a >50K Lexus LS 430? Typical American, needs to ask permission to an arm in order to move the other one. rjdriver wrote: > "LBJGH" <bite_mee@hotsnail.back> wrote in message > news:b5vKc.2455$_9r.317@news04.bloor.is.net.cable. rogers.com... > >>Hey Bob, I haven't noticed the other concerns you noted... >> >>... as far a dash illumination have you tried turning the trip odometer > > all > >>the way to the right while using the head lights during the day? > > > > Sure - I can manually adjust the brightness to maximum when I turn the > headlights on in daylight, but then I have to manually adjust it back to my > preferred nighttime setting later on after dark. Extra work and distraction > from driving that should not be necessary. An interior cabin light sensor > would have been a much more elegant solution. > > > Bob > > > >> >>"rjdriver" <rjdrivers@cox.net> wrote in message >>news:dUuKc.2965$_K2.983@lakeread02... >> >>>"Brian Smith" <Halifax@NovaScotia.Canada> wrote in message >>>news:gcsKc.32638$vO1.154778@nnrp1.uunet.ca... >>> >>>>"LBJGH" <bite_mee@hotsnail.back> wrote in message >>>>news:wllKc.343$S5k.45@news04.bloor.is.net.cabl e.rogers.com... >>>> >>>>>One thing I've noticed that Honda should change on the Accords is > > that > >>>>when >>>> >>>>>the window lock is set by the driver, the driver should still be > > able > >>to >> >>>>>operate the windows while locking the other passengers, i.e. kids > > out. > >>>>>Anyone else annoyed by this? >>>> >>>>I'm not. I don't find it that difficult to flip a switch to allow >>> >>>operation >>> >>>>of the windows. It's not as if the switch is in the trunk or glove >>>>compartment, it's right there beside the other switch you've got your >> >>hand >> >>>>on. >>>> >>>>-- >>>>Brian >>>> >>> >>> The point is to give the driver "control" of all the windows in the >> >>car. >> >>>The driver shouldn't have to give up control even for a few seconds in >> >>order >> >>>to open his/her own window. No it's not difficult or serious, but it's > > an > >>>obvious engineering/design flaw that along with the other obvious flaws > > in > >>>the new version released in 2003 that should have been corrected while > > the > >>>car was still in design spec. stage. >>> >>> Other flaws? 1. Location of hood release. 2. Dash level airflow >> >>leak >> >>>when set for feet or windshield. 3. No interior light sensor to adjust >>>dash lights brighter when headlights on during daylight (overcast, rain, >>>etc.). All minor annoyances to be sure, in an otherwise fine vehicle, > > but > >>>ones that would have cost little to nothing to rectify if recognized > > early > >>>enough. >>> >>> >>>Bob >>> >>> >> >> >>--- >>Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. >>Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). >>Version: 6.0.720 / Virus Database: 476 - Release Date: 7/14/2004 >> >> > > > |
Re: Power windows - '04 Accord
"Brian Smith" <Halifax@NovaScotia.Canada> wrote in message news:9zvKc.32709$vO1.155230@nnrp1.uunet.ca... > > "rjdriver" <rjdrivers@cox.net> wrote in message > news:dUuKc.2965$_K2.983@lakeread02... > > > > The point is to give the driver "control" of all the windows in the > car. > > The driver shouldn't have to give up control even for a few seconds in > order > > to open his/her own window. No it's not difficult or serious, but it's an > > obvious engineering/design flaw that along with the other obvious flaws in > > the new version released in 2003 that should have been corrected while the > > car was still in design spec. stage. > > In my opinion, the driver still has complete control over all of the windows > in the car. A split second is all it takes to flip the switch to the other > position to control the windows other than the driver's. Am I missing > something here? Are you saying that the driver's window is controlled by the > master switch now? > > > Other flaws? 1. Location of hood release. > > I've had every 2004 model out for test drives, and had every compartment > door or cover opened. I didn't find any releases to be in a strange or > difficult to access location. I have a 2003, and perhaps they corrected this one in 2004. The hood release in my car is next to the drivers left foot where the side panel underneath the dash meets the floor. It is necessary to get out of the vehicle and squat or kneel on the ground to reach. > >2. Dash level airflow leak when set for feet or windshield. > > Is this something peculilar to your vehicle or do you believe that every > model has the same problem? I never noticed it in any of the vehicles I had > out. Every one I test drove had the same leak. A small amount of air flowing though the dash vents when the airflow was set to the feet or the windshield. > >3. No interior light sensor to adjust dash lights brighter when headlights > on during daylight (overcast, >rain, etc.). > > This is something that I don't believe Honda will ever do anything about. I > found it a nuisance annoyance back in '79 with my first Accord (but, then > reaching forward and turning the dash lighting control up, solved that > problem). I've become oblivious to this minor inconvenience, in much the > same way that many people deal the speed limit ;^) I too had my first Accord in 1979. It was my first brand new car, as well. I fondly remember plunking down a $25.00 deposit and picking from the long list of 2 offered accesories :-), and then choosing from the myriad of colors offered (Silver and Maroon) and patiently waiting 6 months for what I was damn sure was going to be the best car in the world for the money ($6340.00). I was never diasappointed in the vehicle and might still have it today if I hadn't been sandwiched in a rear ender that totaled it. Honda should have learned a lesson from their radio supplier in '79. Mine had an FM stereo/casette player ( may have been made by Alpine) with a bright green LED display for station/clock. Built into the radio itself was a roomlight sensor that automatically adjusted the brighness of the LED based on cabin light conditions. Bob > Brian > > www.cakesbydarlene.ca > > www.accesswave.ca/~orion > > |
Re: Power windows - '04 Accord
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Did you buy a Honda Accord or a >50K Lexus LS 430? rjdriver wrote: > "LBJGH" <bite_mee@hotsnail.back> wrote in message > news:b5vKc.2455$_9r.317@news04.bloor.is.net.cable. rogers.com... > >>Hey Bob, I haven't noticed the other concerns you noted... >> >>... as far a dash illumination have you tried turning the trip odometer > > all > >>the way to the right while using the head lights during the day? > > > > Sure - I can manually adjust the brightness to maximum when I turn the > headlights on in daylight, but then I have to manually adjust it back to my > preferred nighttime setting later on after dark. Extra work and distraction > from driving that should not be necessary. An interior cabin light sensor > would have been a much more elegant solution. > > > Bob > > > >> >>"rjdriver" <rjdrivers@cox.net> wrote in message >>news:dUuKc.2965$_K2.983@lakeread02... >> >>>"Brian Smith" <Halifax@NovaScotia.Canada> wrote in message >>>news:gcsKc.32638$vO1.154778@nnrp1.uunet.ca... >>> >>>>"LBJGH" <bite_mee@hotsnail.back> wrote in message >>>>news:wllKc.343$S5k.45@news04.bloor.is.net.cabl e.rogers.com... >>>> >>>>>One thing I've noticed that Honda should change on the Accords is > > that > >>>>when >>>> >>>>>the window lock is set by the driver, the driver should still be > > able > >>to >> >>>>>operate the windows while locking the other passengers, i.e. kids > > out. > >>>>>Anyone else annoyed by this? >>>> >>>>I'm not. I don't find it that difficult to flip a switch to allow >>> >>>operation >>> >>>>of the windows. It's not as if the switch is in the trunk or glove >>>>compartment, it's right there beside the other switch you've got your >> >>hand >> >>>>on. >>>> >>>>-- >>>>Brian >>>> >>> >>> The point is to give the driver "control" of all the windows in the >> >>car. >> >>>The driver shouldn't have to give up control even for a few seconds in >> >>order >> >>>to open his/her own window. No it's not difficult or serious, but it's > > an > >>>obvious engineering/design flaw that along with the other obvious flaws > > in > >>>the new version released in 2003 that should have been corrected while > > the > >>>car was still in design spec. stage. >>> >>> Other flaws? 1. Location of hood release. 2. Dash level airflow >> >>leak >> >>>when set for feet or windshield. 3. No interior light sensor to adjust >>>dash lights brighter when headlights on during daylight (overcast, rain, >>>etc.). All minor annoyances to be sure, in an otherwise fine vehicle, > > but > >>>ones that would have cost little to nothing to rectify if recognized > > early > >>>enough. >>> >>> >>>Bob >>> >>> >> >> >>--- >>Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. >>Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). >>Version: 6.0.720 / Virus Database: 476 - Release Date: 7/14/2004 >> >> > > > |
Re: Power windows - '04 Accord
In article <tUAKc.2998$_K2.1064@lakeread02>,
"rjdriver" <rjdrivers@cox.net> wrote: > > >2. Dash level airflow leak when set for feet or windshield. > > > > Is this something peculilar to your vehicle or do you believe that every > > model has the same problem? I never noticed it in any of the vehicles I > had > > out. > > Every one I test drove had the same leak. A small amount of air flowing > though the dash vents when the airflow was set to the feet or the > windshield. Everyone seems confused by this. This is by design. Outside air is always flowing into the cabin via the dash vents, unless you manually turn the vent in question off. Honda (and Mazda) has done this forever. |
Re: Power windows - '04 Accord
"Elmo P. Shagnasty" <elmop@nastydesigns.com> wrote in message news:elmop-113F7B.19341518072004@text.usenetserver.com... > In article <tUAKc.2998$_K2.1064@lakeread02>, > "rjdriver" <rjdrivers@cox.net> wrote: > > > > >2. Dash level airflow leak when set for feet or windshield. > > > > > > Is this something peculilar to your vehicle or do you believe that every > > > model has the same problem? I never noticed it in any of the vehicles I > > had > > > out. > > > > Every one I test drove had the same leak. A small amount of air flowing > > though the dash vents when the airflow was set to the feet or the > > windshield. > > Everyone seems confused by this. This is by design. Outside air is > always flowing into the cabin via the dash vents, unless you manually > turn the vent in question off. > > Honda (and Mazda) has done this forever. > I am talking about *fan forced* air, not a leisurely flow of outisde air. My '79 Accord, '86 Integra, '89 Accord, and 94 Quest did not do this. And if it's by design, then it's the designers who are confused to think that this is desirable. When I want heat on my feet and not on my face I choose the "floor" airflow setting. If I wanted heated air in both places I would choose the dual airflow setting specifically designed to push air at the floor *and* the dash level vents. No car I have ever owned has also forced me to also close the dash vents to prevent heated air to my face while the floor setting was on..... Bob |
Re: Power windows - '04 Accord
In article <iyEKc.3018$_K2.1906@lakeread02>,
"rjdriver" <rjdrivers@cox.net> wrote: > I am talking about *fan forced* air, not a leisurely flow of outisde > air. My '79 Accord, '86 Integra, '89 Accord, and 94 Quest did not do this. > And if it's by design, then it's the designers who are confused to think > that this is desirable. When I want heat on my feet and not on my face I > choose the "floor" airflow setting. If I wanted heated air in both places I > would choose the dual airflow setting specifically designed to push air at > the floor *and* the dash level vents. No car I have ever owned has also > forced me to also close the dash vents to prevent heated air to my face > while the floor setting was on..... Again, Honda has done this forever. Not only is it outside air, but it's the temperature of the heater setting. Go figure. My Lexus has this little crotch vent that's tied to the dash vents; there's no way to turn it off, only redirect it. Either my crotch gets cold, or my ankles get cold. It's not only Honda who does weird things. |
Re: Power windows - '04 Accord - guess again!
"Brian Smith" wrote > I didn't realize that the '04's master switch disabled the driver's window > control. It *doesn't* disable the driver's window control!! When pressing in the button to prevent the passenger and rear windows from being able to be lowered by the other occupants of my '04 EX sedan, the driver's window still operates! I just tested it. > > The lockout switch *should* disable local control switches while leaving > > the main control switches at the driver's door enabled. And indeed it does. -----= Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News =----- http://www.newsfeeds.com - The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! -----== Over 100,000 Newsgroups - 19 Different Servers! =----- |
Re: Power windows - '04 Accord
Is it possible the kid is missing the battle between me, the parent, telling
him/her "don't, and the kid, obeying. Have had a few cars with electric windows, have never had to use the master switch after telling the kids, "Do not roll down the window" Hugh Graham "Elmo P. Shagnasty" <elmop@nastydesigns.com> wrote in message news:elmop-7B1B5C.10401818072004@text.usenetserver.com... > In article <9zvKc.32709$vO1.155230@nnrp1.uunet.ca>, > "Brian Smith" <Halifax@NovaScotia.Canada> wrote: > > > In my opinion, the driver still has complete control over all of the windows > > in the car. A split second is all it takes to flip the switch to the other > > position to control the windows other than the driver's. Am I missing > > something here? > > Yup. You're missing the point that once the master on/off switch is set > to on in order to give the driver control, you've also given the kid > control. You're missing the battle that goes on between the kid using > his switch and the driver using his switch. > > > > > Are you saying that the driver's window is controlled by the > > master switch now? > > He's been saying that all along. The master switch is master--and it > cuts out the driver's switch, too, which shouldn't be. > |
Re: Power windows - '04 Accord
"rjdriver" <rjdrivers@cox.net> wrote in message news:tUAKc.2998$_K2.1064@lakeread02... > > I have a 2003, and perhaps they corrected this one in 2004. The hood > release in my car is next to the drivers left foot where the side panel > underneath the dash meets the floor. It is necessary to get out of the > vehicle and squat or kneel on the ground to reach. I honestly never noticed that with the models that I played with at the dealer. I'll have to have another look and reach ;^) > Every one I test drove had the same leak. A small amount of air flowing > though the dash vents when the airflow was set to the feet or the > windshield. Is it a small amount, or is it enough to be a true bother? I like to have some airflow coming out of the vents, in the colder months, it helps thaw the fingers <g>. > I too had my first Accord in 1979. It was my first brand new car, as > well. I fondly remember plunking down a $25.00 deposit and picking from the > long list of 2 offered accesories :-), and then choosing from the myriad of > colors offered (Silver and Maroon) and patiently waiting 6 months for what I > was damn sure was going to be the best car in the world for the money > ($6340.00). I was never diasappointed in the vehicle and might still have > it today if I hadn't been sandwiched in a rear ender that totaled it. Mine was a used car with 15,000 and change on the odometer (in km), silver with a fair amount of rust on the dog legs, cowling, and rocker panels. Honda Canada paid for the replacement of those parts and the painting of them (blended in to match the rest of the car). That was back when they were extremely concerned about their vehicle's appearance. > Honda should have learned a lesson from their radio supplier in '79. > Mine had an FM stereo/casette player ( may have been made by Alpine) with a > bright green LED display for station/clock. Built into the radio itself was > a roomlight sensor that automatically adjusted the brighness of the LED > based on cabin light conditions. I don't believe that mine had that model of radio, it may have I just don't remember (could be old age <g>). -- Brian www.cakesbydarlene.ca www.accesswave.ca/~orion |
Re: Power windows - '04 Accord
"Hugh Graham" <mattdalt@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:10fmdgpmo0h7k00@corp.supernews.com... > Is it possible the kid is missing the battle between me, the parent, telling > him/her "don't, and the kid, obeying. Either the Parent has the control or the children have it. Now-a-days it seems that more children tell their Parents what to do and when then the right way round. > Have had a few cars with electric windows, have never had to use the master > switch after telling the kids, "Do not roll down the window" I have not had to say it but once, either. -- Brian www.cakesbydarlene.ca www.accesswave.ca/~orion |
Re: Power windows - '04 Accord
You guys seem to be missing the point. There is no need for the window
controls to work the way they do. Any unnecessary distraction due to a design flaw is unacceptable. I don't understand why you wouldn't want a car designed properly. "Hugh Graham" <mattdalt@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:10fmdgpmo0h7k00@corp.supernews.com... > Is it possible the kid is missing the battle between me, the parent, telling > him/her "don't, and the kid, obeying. > > Have had a few cars with electric windows, have never had to use the master > switch after telling the kids, "Do not roll down the window" > > Hugh Graham > "Elmo P. Shagnasty" <elmop@nastydesigns.com> wrote in message > news:elmop-7B1B5C.10401818072004@text.usenetserver.com... > > In article <9zvKc.32709$vO1.155230@nnrp1.uunet.ca>, > > "Brian Smith" <Halifax@NovaScotia.Canada> wrote: > > > > > In my opinion, the driver still has complete control over all of the > windows > > > in the car. A split second is all it takes to flip the switch to the > other > > > position to control the windows other than the driver's. Am I missing > > > something here? > > > > Yup. You're missing the point that once the master on/off switch is set > > to on in order to give the driver control, you've also given the kid > > control. You're missing the battle that goes on between the kid using > > his switch and the driver using his switch. > > > > > > > > > Are you saying that the driver's window is controlled by the > > > master switch now? > > > > He's been saying that all along. The master switch is master--and it > > cuts out the driver's switch, too, which shouldn't be. > > > > --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.722 / Virus Database: 478 - Release Date: 7/18/2004 |
Re: Power windows - '04 Accord - guess again!
Actually it does not. When the windows lock-out is engaged the driver can
only operate the drivers window. The passengers windows are all locked out to the driver. > > > > The lockout switch *should* disable local control switches while leaving > > > the main control switches at the driver's door enabled. > > And indeed it does. --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.722 / Virus Database: 478 - Release Date: 7/18/2004 |
Re: Power windows - '04 Accord
In article <Q0HKc.35019$vO1.157285@nnrp1.uunet.ca>,
"Brian Smith" <Halifax@NovaScotia.Canada> wrote: > > Is it possible the kid is missing the battle between me, the parent, > telling > > him/her "don't, and the kid, obeying. > > Either the Parent has the control or the children have it. Now-a-days it > seems that more children tell their Parents what to do and when then the > right way round. 4 year olds need to be reminded--and it's much easier just to avoid the whole broken-record thing completely. When it's so easy to do, why didn't Honda do it? In fact, I can think of exactly NO situation--children or otherwise--in which the driver should NOT have immediate control over his windows, regardless of switch settings. In which the driver's window switches should EVER be off. Period. That Honda cuts off the driver's door switches at ALL is just about the weirdest design piece in the world. There could be NO circumstance in which the driver doesn't want his switches to work. |
Re: Power windows - '04 Accord
"LBJGH" <bite_mee@hotsnail.back> wrote in message news:WcHKc.1061612$Ar.654132@twister01.bloor.is.ne t.cable.rogers.com... > You guys seem to be missing the point. There is no need for the window > controls to work the way they do. Any unnecessary distraction due to a > design flaw is unacceptable. I don't understand why you wouldn't want a car > designed properly. Speaking for myself, I don't consider it a distraction at all. I knew right from the start, that it was a required a very small movement of one finger, to permit the operation of the other windows in the vehicle. If you are having difficulty with a simple thing like that, perhaps, driving is too complicated for you being filled with the distractions it has, especially during the warmer months, short skirts being one of my favourite distractions ;^) Brian |
Re: Power windows - '04 Accord
"LBJGH" <bite_mee@hotsnail.back> wrote in message news:WcHKc.1061612$Ar.654132@twister01.bloor.is.ne t.cable.rogers.com... > You guys seem to be missing the point. There is no need for the window > controls to work the way they do. Any unnecessary distraction due to a > design flaw is unacceptable. I don't understand why you wouldn't want a car > designed properly. Speaking for myself, I don't consider it a distraction at all. I knew right from the start, that it was a required a very small movement of one finger, to permit the operation of the other windows in the vehicle. If you are having difficulty with a simple thing like that, perhaps, driving is too complicated for you being filled with the distractions it has, especially during the warmer months, short skirts being one of my favourite distractions ;^) Brian |
Re: Power windows - '04 Accord
On 7/18/04 10:27 PM, in article
WcHKc.1061612$Ar.654132@twister01.bloor.is.net.cab le.rogers.com, "LBJGH" <bite_mee@hotsnail.back> wrote: > You guys seem to be missing the point. There is no need for the window > controls to work the way they do. Any unnecessary distraction due to a > design flaw is unacceptable. I don't understand why you wouldn't want a car > designed properly. > And the corollary to the point is that most other car makers don't do it this way. The expected behavior is when the switch is thrown, the controls don't work on the other windows, but they do on the driver's control. Somehow Honda missed the boat on this (Nissan, too). It must be a Japanese thing. > > "Hugh Graham" <mattdalt@yahoo.com> wrote in message > news:10fmdgpmo0h7k00@corp.supernews.com... >> Is it possible the kid is missing the battle between me, the parent, > telling >> him/her "don't, and the kid, obeying. >> >> Have had a few cars with electric windows, have never had to use the > master >> switch after telling the kids, "Do not roll down the window" >> >> Hugh Graham >> "Elmo P. Shagnasty" <elmop@nastydesigns.com> wrote in message >> news:elmop-7B1B5C.10401818072004@text.usenetserver.com... >>> In article <9zvKc.32709$vO1.155230@nnrp1.uunet.ca>, >>> "Brian Smith" <Halifax@NovaScotia.Canada> wrote: >>> >>>> In my opinion, the driver still has complete control over all of the >> windows >>>> in the car. A split second is all it takes to flip the switch to the >> other >>>> position to control the windows other than the driver's. Am I missing >>>> something here? >>> >>> Yup. You're missing the point that once the master on/off switch is set >>> to on in order to give the driver control, you've also given the kid >>> control. You're missing the battle that goes on between the kid using >>> his switch and the driver using his switch. >>> >>> >>> >>>> Are you saying that the driver's window is controlled by the >>>> master switch now? >>> >>> He's been saying that all along. The master switch is master--and it >>> cuts out the driver's switch, too, which shouldn't be. >>> >> >> > > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.722 / Virus Database: 478 - Release Date: 7/18/2004 > > |
Re: Power windows - '04 Accord
On 7/18/04 10:27 PM, in article
WcHKc.1061612$Ar.654132@twister01.bloor.is.net.cab le.rogers.com, "LBJGH" <bite_mee@hotsnail.back> wrote: > You guys seem to be missing the point. There is no need for the window > controls to work the way they do. Any unnecessary distraction due to a > design flaw is unacceptable. I don't understand why you wouldn't want a car > designed properly. > And the corollary to the point is that most other car makers don't do it this way. The expected behavior is when the switch is thrown, the controls don't work on the other windows, but they do on the driver's control. Somehow Honda missed the boat on this (Nissan, too). It must be a Japanese thing. > > "Hugh Graham" <mattdalt@yahoo.com> wrote in message > news:10fmdgpmo0h7k00@corp.supernews.com... >> Is it possible the kid is missing the battle between me, the parent, > telling >> him/her "don't, and the kid, obeying. >> >> Have had a few cars with electric windows, have never had to use the > master >> switch after telling the kids, "Do not roll down the window" >> >> Hugh Graham >> "Elmo P. Shagnasty" <elmop@nastydesigns.com> wrote in message >> news:elmop-7B1B5C.10401818072004@text.usenetserver.com... >>> In article <9zvKc.32709$vO1.155230@nnrp1.uunet.ca>, >>> "Brian Smith" <Halifax@NovaScotia.Canada> wrote: >>> >>>> In my opinion, the driver still has complete control over all of the >> windows >>>> in the car. A split second is all it takes to flip the switch to the >> other >>>> position to control the windows other than the driver's. Am I missing >>>> something here? >>> >>> Yup. You're missing the point that once the master on/off switch is set >>> to on in order to give the driver control, you've also given the kid >>> control. You're missing the battle that goes on between the kid using >>> his switch and the driver using his switch. >>> >>> >>> >>>> Are you saying that the driver's window is controlled by the >>>> master switch now? >>> >>> He's been saying that all along. The master switch is master--and it >>> cuts out the driver's switch, too, which shouldn't be. >>> >> >> > > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.722 / Virus Database: 478 - Release Date: 7/18/2004 > > |
Re: Power windows - '04 Accord
Elmo P. Shagnasty wrote:
> In article <Q0HKc.35019$vO1.157285@nnrp1.uunet.ca>, > "Brian Smith" <Halifax@NovaScotia.Canada> wrote: > >>> Is it possible the kid is missing the battle between me, the >>> parent, telling him/her "don't, and the kid, obeying. >> >> Either the Parent has the control or the children have it. >> Now-a-days it seems that more children tell their Parents what to do >> and when then the right way round. > > 4 year olds need to be reminded--and it's much easier just to avoid > the whole broken-record thing completely. When it's so easy to do, > why didn't Honda do it? I'm for control of the kids myself. Always have had power windows, and after awhile, the kids should get the hint. Maybe this should be in a parenting newsgroup. > > In fact, I can think of exactly NO situation--children or > otherwise--in which the driver should NOT have immediate control over > his windows, regardless of switch settings. In which the driver's > window switches should EVER be off. Period. > > That Honda cuts off the driver's door switches at ALL is just about > the weirdest design piece in the world. There could be NO > circumstance in which the driver doesn't want his switches to work. |
Re: Power windows - '04 Accord
Elmo P. Shagnasty wrote:
> In article <Q0HKc.35019$vO1.157285@nnrp1.uunet.ca>, > "Brian Smith" <Halifax@NovaScotia.Canada> wrote: > >>> Is it possible the kid is missing the battle between me, the >>> parent, telling him/her "don't, and the kid, obeying. >> >> Either the Parent has the control or the children have it. >> Now-a-days it seems that more children tell their Parents what to do >> and when then the right way round. > > 4 year olds need to be reminded--and it's much easier just to avoid > the whole broken-record thing completely. When it's so easy to do, > why didn't Honda do it? I'm for control of the kids myself. Always have had power windows, and after awhile, the kids should get the hint. Maybe this should be in a parenting newsgroup. > > In fact, I can think of exactly NO situation--children or > otherwise--in which the driver should NOT have immediate control over > his windows, regardless of switch settings. In which the driver's > window switches should EVER be off. Period. > > That Honda cuts off the driver's door switches at ALL is just about > the weirdest design piece in the world. There could be NO > circumstance in which the driver doesn't want his switches to work. |
Re: Power windows - '04 Accord Doesn't anybody know the truth???
Well we just bought a 2004 Accord LX and the drivers window works with the
window button engaged or not engaged. So the driver's window can be operated at all times. I verified the other windows did not work and did work when they were supposed to. Additionally the guy showing us the features of the car last night mentioned this specifically and showed it to us. This stuck in my mind because I had already read your post and found it surprising that your post is not true. Perhaps yours is broken. CaptainKrunch "LBJGH" <bite_mee@hotsnail.back> wrote in message news:wllKc.343$S5k.45@news04.bloor.is.net.cable.ro gers.com... > One thing I've noticed that Honda should change on the Accords is that when > the window lock is set by the driver, the driver should still be able to > operate the windows while locking the other passengers, i.e. kids out. > Anyone else annoyed by this? > > > > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.720 / Virus Database: 476 - Release Date: 7/14/2004 > > |
Re: Power windows - '04 Accord Doesn't anybody know the truth???
Well we just bought a 2004 Accord LX and the drivers window works with the
window button engaged or not engaged. So the driver's window can be operated at all times. I verified the other windows did not work and did work when they were supposed to. Additionally the guy showing us the features of the car last night mentioned this specifically and showed it to us. This stuck in my mind because I had already read your post and found it surprising that your post is not true. Perhaps yours is broken. CaptainKrunch "LBJGH" <bite_mee@hotsnail.back> wrote in message news:wllKc.343$S5k.45@news04.bloor.is.net.cable.ro gers.com... > One thing I've noticed that Honda should change on the Accords is that when > the window lock is set by the driver, the driver should still be able to > operate the windows while locking the other passengers, i.e. kids out. > Anyone else annoyed by this? > > > > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.720 / Virus Database: 476 - Release Date: 7/14/2004 > > |
Re: Power windows - '04 Accord Doesn't anybody know the truth???
CaptainKrunch, so you can operate all windows when the window lock is
engaged? "CaptainKrunch" <nobody@nothing.com> wrote in message news:gpadnSZt_7yMsWLdRVn-rg@comcast.com... > Well we just bought a 2004 Accord LX and the drivers window works with the > window button engaged or not engaged. So the driver's window can be > operated at all times. I verified the other windows did not work and did > work when they were supposed to. Additionally the guy showing us the > features of the car last night mentioned this specifically and showed it to > us. This stuck in my mind because I had already read your post and found it > surprising that your post is not true. > > Perhaps yours is broken. > > CaptainKrunch > > > "LBJGH" <bite_mee@hotsnail.back> wrote in message > news:wllKc.343$S5k.45@news04.bloor.is.net.cable.ro gers.com... > > One thing I've noticed that Honda should change on the Accords is that > when > > the window lock is set by the driver, the driver should still be able to > > operate the windows while locking the other passengers, i.e. kids out. > > Anyone else annoyed by this? > > > > > > > > > > --- > > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > > Version: 6.0.720 / Virus Database: 476 - Release Date: 7/14/2004 > > > > > > --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.725 / Virus Database: 480 - Release Date: 7/19/2004 |
Re: Power windows - '04 Accord Doesn't anybody know the truth???
CaptainKrunch, so you can operate all windows when the window lock is
engaged? "CaptainKrunch" <nobody@nothing.com> wrote in message news:gpadnSZt_7yMsWLdRVn-rg@comcast.com... > Well we just bought a 2004 Accord LX and the drivers window works with the > window button engaged or not engaged. So the driver's window can be > operated at all times. I verified the other windows did not work and did > work when they were supposed to. Additionally the guy showing us the > features of the car last night mentioned this specifically and showed it to > us. This stuck in my mind because I had already read your post and found it > surprising that your post is not true. > > Perhaps yours is broken. > > CaptainKrunch > > > "LBJGH" <bite_mee@hotsnail.back> wrote in message > news:wllKc.343$S5k.45@news04.bloor.is.net.cable.ro gers.com... > > One thing I've noticed that Honda should change on the Accords is that > when > > the window lock is set by the driver, the driver should still be able to > > operate the windows while locking the other passengers, i.e. kids out. > > Anyone else annoyed by this? > > > > > > > > > > --- > > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > > Version: 6.0.720 / Virus Database: 476 - Release Date: 7/14/2004 > > > > > > --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.725 / Virus Database: 480 - Release Date: 7/19/2004 |
Re: Power windows - '04 Accord Doesn't anybody know the truth???
"LBJGH" <bite_mee@hotsnail.back> wrote in message news:<L6GLc.1122027$Ar.623865@twister01.bloor.is.n et.cable.rogers.com>...
> CaptainKrunch, so you can operate all windows when the window lock is > engaged? > no he can't , i tried it today on an accord 4 door . 2004. Chip |
Re: Power windows - '04 Accord Doesn't anybody know the truth???
"LBJGH" <bite_mee@hotsnail.back> wrote in message news:<L6GLc.1122027$Ar.623865@twister01.bloor.is.n et.cable.rogers.com>...
> CaptainKrunch, so you can operate all windows when the window lock is > engaged? > no he can't , i tried it today on an accord 4 door . 2004. Chip |
Re: Power windows - '04 Accord Doesn't anybody know the truth???
Yes, we can. 04 Accord V6, I swear, when I depress the master the three
other windows do not operate while the drivers window operates normally. "Chip Stein" <chip@chipanddebby.com> wrote in message news:5ddcea74.0407221908.4fbb5a51@posting.google.c om... > "LBJGH" <bite_mee@hotsnail.back> wrote in message news:<L6GLc.1122027$Ar.623865@twister01.bloor.is.n et.cable.rogers.com>... > > CaptainKrunch, so you can operate all windows when the window lock is > > engaged? > > > > > no he can't , i tried it today on an accord 4 door . 2004. > Chip |
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