Re: Pro and Cons - Toyota Camry vs Honda Accord vs Nissan Altima
 

Some says the 2008 Accords are considered full sized sedans? is this
true?

On Sep 30, 5:09 pm, "Honda-Man" <eastviewontheba...@verizon.net>
wrote:
> Techtech,
>
> Both cars are exceptional. However, make sure that you spend the extra $2500
> for the v6, otherwise you get the 4cyl that feels like a Kia. I prefer the
> honda's new 2008 body style and would not suggest getting a 2007 honda what
> so ever, as it is like buying a body style several years old and resell will
> be poor. Additionally, the honda 2008 has a better safety rating. I would
> stay away from the Nissan, as I never liked my Z and the repair costs.
>
> Like I said, stick with the v6 and purchase either the camry or honda. For
> the honda buy the 2008, the camry you can settle for the 2007 since the
> style hasn't changed. The options are totally up to you and the choice is
> yours. Good luck.
>
> <techtechx...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> news:1191030935.390290.70960@y42g2000hsy.googlegro ups.com...
>
> >I am looking to buy a car. What do you guys think is better. I am
> > looking at 2007s. I figure this is the time to get a decent discounted
> > vehicle. I want a manual.

Re: Pro and Cons - Toyota Camry vs Honda Accord vs Nissan Altima
 

"Elmo P. Shagnasty" <elmop@nastydesigns.com> wrote in message
news:elmop-E67AF1.17484330092007@nntp1.usenetserver.com...
> In article <4700032c$0$18983$4c368faf@roadrunner.com>,
> "Howard" <howardh1951-at-hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>> > They have a separate schedule, irrespective of the going rate for any
>> > area.
>>
>> > Trust me.
>> Nope!
>> They have THE schedule. Factory times are what is recommended for any
>> prescribed job.
>
> TIMES, yes. Pay rate? Honda doesn't pay the $80/hour or whatever is
> current for pay customers off the street.
>
"Elmo P. Shagnasty" <elmop@nastydesigns.com> wrote in message
news:elmop-E67AF1.17484330092007@nntp1.usenetserver.com...
> In article <4700032c$0$18983$4c368faf@roadrunner.com>,
> "Howard" <howardh1951-at-hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>> > They have a separate schedule, irrespective of the going rate for any
>> > area.
>>
>> > Trust me.
>> Nope!
>> They have THE schedule. Factory times are what is recommended for any
>> prescribed job.
>
> TIMES, yes. Pay rate? Honda doesn't pay the $80/hour or whatever is
> current for pay customers off the street.
>
They pay the prevailing rate in the area.
A dealer submits a request for a rate increase based upon surveying other
dealers (not just Honda) in the area and an audit of the applying
dealerships effective labor rate. From those figures and the actual warranty
rate sought, the District Rep submits to national and a decision is rendered
..
I've worked in 3 Honda dealerships since 1973. My current (23 years) Service
Dept's door rate is $99 per hour (we are on the lower side in our area) and
our current warranty rate paid to us is $95 per warranty flat rate hour. As
soon as we have enough time to produce an effective labor rate that would
allow us to seek an increase we will seek that same $99 per hour. And like
dozens of times in the past as rates have increased, Honda will grant that.
Of course we need to know when the right time to apply is.
You are partially correct in that Honda doesn't pay the "street" rate.
That's because the customer labor rate rises first and the warranty labor
rate increase application soon follows. That's why I stated they are usually
90-95 percent of customer rate. But there are plenty of times the rates are
the same.
A dealer who turns away warranty work is leaving up to 30% of his business
on the table as well as eventually running out of customers after he pisses
them all off.
Yeah, there are alot of gouging, uncaring dealers out there, but they won't
be there long. If they want to run their multimillion dollar business in to
the ground, we don't
I'm not bragging or advertising (no location given), just wish there were
many more legitimate dealerships out there so the ones in business that are
doing the right thing don't get judged by the rest.

Re: Pro and Cons - Toyota Camry vs Honda Accord vs Nissan Altima
 

"Elmo P. Shagnasty" <elmop@nastydesigns.com> wrote in message
news:elmop-E67AF1.17484330092007@nntp1.usenetserver.com...
> In article <4700032c$0$18983$4c368faf@roadrunner.com>,
> "Howard" <howardh1951-at-hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>> > They have a separate schedule, irrespective of the going rate for any
>> > area.
>>
>> > Trust me.
>> Nope!
>> They have THE schedule. Factory times are what is recommended for any
>> prescribed job.
>
> TIMES, yes. Pay rate? Honda doesn't pay the $80/hour or whatever is
> current for pay customers off the street.
>
"Elmo P. Shagnasty" <elmop@nastydesigns.com> wrote in message
news:elmop-E67AF1.17484330092007@nntp1.usenetserver.com...
> In article <4700032c$0$18983$4c368faf@roadrunner.com>,
> "Howard" <howardh1951-at-hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>> > They have a separate schedule, irrespective of the going rate for any
>> > area.
>>
>> > Trust me.
>> Nope!
>> They have THE schedule. Factory times are what is recommended for any
>> prescribed job.
>
> TIMES, yes. Pay rate? Honda doesn't pay the $80/hour or whatever is
> current for pay customers off the street.
>
They pay the prevailing rate in the area.
A dealer submits a request for a rate increase based upon surveying other
dealers (not just Honda) in the area and an audit of the applying
dealerships effective labor rate. From those figures and the actual warranty
rate sought, the District Rep submits to national and a decision is rendered
..
I've worked in 3 Honda dealerships since 1973. My current (23 years) Service
Dept's door rate is $99 per hour (we are on the lower side in our area) and
our current warranty rate paid to us is $95 per warranty flat rate hour. As
soon as we have enough time to produce an effective labor rate that would
allow us to seek an increase we will seek that same $99 per hour. And like
dozens of times in the past as rates have increased, Honda will grant that.
Of course we need to know when the right time to apply is.
You are partially correct in that Honda doesn't pay the "street" rate.
That's because the customer labor rate rises first and the warranty labor
rate increase application soon follows. That's why I stated they are usually
90-95 percent of customer rate. But there are plenty of times the rates are
the same.
A dealer who turns away warranty work is leaving up to 30% of his business
on the table as well as eventually running out of customers after he pisses
them all off.
Yeah, there are alot of gouging, uncaring dealers out there, but they won't
be there long. If they want to run their multimillion dollar business in to
the ground, we don't
I'm not bragging or advertising (no location given), just wish there were
many more legitimate dealerships out there so the ones in business that are
doing the right thing don't get judged by the rest.

Re: Pro and Cons - Toyota Camry vs Honda Accord vs Nissan Altima
 

I believe it is no longer considered a mid-size sedan. It is larger and has
more room.


"EdV" <systmengr@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1191189443.998926.184010@n39g2000hsh.googlegr oups.com...
> Some says the 2008 Accords are considered full sized sedans? is this
> true?
>
> On Sep 30, 5:09 pm, "Honda-Man" <eastviewontheba...@verizon.net>
> wrote:
>> Techtech,
>>
>> Both cars are exceptional. However, make sure that you spend the extra
>> $2500
>> for the v6, otherwise you get the 4cyl that feels like a Kia. I prefer
>> the
>> honda's new 2008 body style and would not suggest getting a 2007 honda
>> what
>> so ever, as it is like buying a body style several years old and resell
>> will
>> be poor. Additionally, the honda 2008 has a better safety rating. I would
>> stay away from the Nissan, as I never liked my Z and the repair costs.
>>
>> Like I said, stick with the v6 and purchase either the camry or honda.
>> For
>> the honda buy the 2008, the camry you can settle for the 2007 since the
>> style hasn't changed. The options are totally up to you and the choice is
>> yours. Good luck.
>>
>> <techtechx...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>
>> news:1191030935.390290.70960@y42g2000hsy.googlegro ups.com...
>>
>> >I am looking to buy a car. What do you guys think is better. I am
>> > looking at 2007s. I figure this is the time to get a decent discounted
>> > vehicle. I want a manual.
>
>

Re: Pro and Cons - Toyota Camry vs Honda Accord vs Nissan Altima
 

I believe it is no longer considered a mid-size sedan. It is larger and has
more room.


"EdV" <systmengr@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1191189443.998926.184010@n39g2000hsh.googlegr oups.com...
> Some says the 2008 Accords are considered full sized sedans? is this
> true?
>
> On Sep 30, 5:09 pm, "Honda-Man" <eastviewontheba...@verizon.net>
> wrote:
>> Techtech,
>>
>> Both cars are exceptional. However, make sure that you spend the extra
>> $2500
>> for the v6, otherwise you get the 4cyl that feels like a Kia. I prefer
>> the
>> honda's new 2008 body style and would not suggest getting a 2007 honda
>> what
>> so ever, as it is like buying a body style several years old and resell
>> will
>> be poor. Additionally, the honda 2008 has a better safety rating. I would
>> stay away from the Nissan, as I never liked my Z and the repair costs.
>>
>> Like I said, stick with the v6 and purchase either the camry or honda.
>> For
>> the honda buy the 2008, the camry you can settle for the 2007 since the
>> style hasn't changed. The options are totally up to you and the choice is
>> yours. Good luck.
>>
>> <techtechx...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>
>> news:1191030935.390290.70960@y42g2000hsy.googlegro ups.com...
>>
>> >I am looking to buy a car. What do you guys think is better. I am
>> > looking at 2007s. I figure this is the time to get a decent discounted
>> > vehicle. I want a manual.
>
>

Re: Pro and Cons - Toyota Camry vs Honda Accord vs Nissan Altima
 

I was driving a rented KIA Sedona a few months ago, and it wasn't bad
at all, in fact it was great and I said to myself I would rather drive
a Korean car than an American brand.

I bought a 4 cyl camry because its all I need, I dont expect my 4 cyl
to run like a 6 cylinder. The same way a person who buys a 6cyl should
not expect a 4cyl MPG. I thought everyone who buys a car thinks that
way. If you want neck snapping acceleration get the V6, after all we
all follow the same speed limit.

And to the original poster, dont forget to test drive a Hyundai
Sonata.

On Sep 30, 5:09 pm, "Honda-Man" <eastviewontheba...@verizon.net>
wrote:
> Techtech,
>
> Both cars are exceptional. However, make sure that you spend the extra $2500
> for the v6, otherwise you get the 4cyl that feels like a Kia.

Re: Pro and Cons - Toyota Camry vs Honda Accord vs Nissan Altima
 

I was driving a rented KIA Sedona a few months ago, and it wasn't bad
at all, in fact it was great and I said to myself I would rather drive
a Korean car than an American brand.

I bought a 4 cyl camry because its all I need, I dont expect my 4 cyl
to run like a 6 cylinder. The same way a person who buys a 6cyl should
not expect a 4cyl MPG. I thought everyone who buys a car thinks that
way. If you want neck snapping acceleration get the V6, after all we
all follow the same speed limit.

And to the original poster, dont forget to test drive a Hyundai
Sonata.

On Sep 30, 5:09 pm, "Honda-Man" <eastviewontheba...@verizon.net>
wrote:
> Techtech,
>
> Both cars are exceptional. However, make sure that you spend the extra $2500
> for the v6, otherwise you get the 4cyl that feels like a Kia.

Re: Pro and Cons - Toyota Camry vs Honda Accord vs Nissan Altima
 

In article <1191251334.553393.249340@50g2000hsm.googlegroups. com>,
EdV <systmengr@hotmail.com> wrote:

> I was driving a rented KIA Sedona a few months ago, and it wasn't bad
> at all, in fact it was great and I said to myself I would rather drive
> a Korean car than an American brand.

Locally, we had a guy caught doing 120mph in a Kia Sephia. He wanted to
get home, so he pushed the pedal hard.

Re: Pro and Cons - Toyota Camry vs Honda Accord vs Nissan Altima
 

In article <1191251334.553393.249340@50g2000hsm.googlegroups. com>,
EdV <systmengr@hotmail.com> wrote:

> I was driving a rented KIA Sedona a few months ago, and it wasn't bad
> at all, in fact it was great and I said to myself I would rather drive
> a Korean car than an American brand.

Locally, we had a guy caught doing 120mph in a Kia Sephia. He wanted to
get home, so he pushed the pedal hard.

Re: Pro and Cons - Toyota Camry vs Honda Accord vs Nissan Altima
 

"EdV" <systmengr@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1191251334.553393.249340@50g2000hsm.googlegro ups.com...
>I was driving a rented KIA Sedona a few months ago, and it wasn't bad
> at all, in fact it was great and I said to myself I would rather drive
> a Korean car than an American brand.
>
> I bought a 4 cyl camry because its all I need, I dont expect my 4 cyl
> to run like a 6 cylinder. The same way a person who buys a 6cyl should
> not expect a 4cyl MPG. I thought everyone who buys a car thinks that
> way. If you want neck snapping acceleration get the V6, after all we
> all follow the same speed limit.

Not all of us, though, take hours to get to THAT speed limit from a stop.




>
> And to the original poster, dont forget to test drive a Hyundai
> Sonata.
>
> On Sep 30, 5:09 pm, "Honda-Man" <eastviewontheba...@verizon.net>
> wrote:
>> Techtech,
>>
>> Both cars are exceptional. However, make sure that you spend the extra $2500
>> for the v6, otherwise you get the 4cyl that feels like a Kia.
>

Re: Pro and Cons - Toyota Camry vs Honda Accord vs Nissan Altima
 

"EdV" <systmengr@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1191251334.553393.249340@50g2000hsm.googlegro ups.com...
>I was driving a rented KIA Sedona a few months ago, and it wasn't bad
> at all, in fact it was great and I said to myself I would rather drive
> a Korean car than an American brand.
>
> I bought a 4 cyl camry because its all I need, I dont expect my 4 cyl
> to run like a 6 cylinder. The same way a person who buys a 6cyl should
> not expect a 4cyl MPG. I thought everyone who buys a car thinks that
> way. If you want neck snapping acceleration get the V6, after all we
> all follow the same speed limit.

Not all of us, though, take hours to get to THAT speed limit from a stop.




>
> And to the original poster, dont forget to test drive a Hyundai
> Sonata.
>
> On Sep 30, 5:09 pm, "Honda-Man" <eastviewontheba...@verizon.net>
> wrote:
>> Techtech,
>>
>> Both cars are exceptional. However, make sure that you spend the extra $2500
>> for the v6, otherwise you get the 4cyl that feels like a Kia.
>

Re: Pro and Cons - Toyota Camry vs Honda Accord vs Nissan Altima
 

On Oct 1, 7:52 pm, "sharx35" <shar...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> "EdV" <systme...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>
> news:1191251334.553393.249340@50g2000hsm.googlegro ups.com...
>
> >I was driving a rented KIA Sedona a few months ago, and it wasn't bad
> > at all, in fact it was great and I said to myself I would rather drive
> > a Korean car than an American brand.
>
> > I bought a 4 cyl camry because its all I need, I dont expect my 4 cyl
> > to run like a 6 cylinder. The same way a person who buys a 6cyl should
> > not expect a 4cyl MPG. I thought everyone who buys a car thinks that
> > way. If you want neck snapping acceleration get the V6, after all we
> > all follow the same speed limit.
>
> Not all of us, though, take hours to get to THAT speed limit from a stop.
>
>
>
>
>
> > And to the original poster, dont forget to test drive a Hyundai
> > Sonata.
>
> > On Sep 30, 5:09 pm, "Honda-Man" <eastviewontheba...@verizon.net>
> > wrote:
> >> Techtech,
>
> >> Both cars are exceptional. However, make sure that you spend the extra $2500
> >> for the v6, otherwise you get the 4cyl that feels like a Kia.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -



What about 2008. I have narrowed it down to the Nissan Coupe 2008 or
2007. with a manual transmission. I like the style and I am a manual
stick shift girl. Tank you all for your help. I never thought I would
get so much response.

Re: Pro and Cons - Toyota Camry vs Honda Accord vs Nissan Altima
 

On Oct 1, 7:52 pm, "sharx35" <shar...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> "EdV" <systme...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>
> news:1191251334.553393.249340@50g2000hsm.googlegro ups.com...
>
> >I was driving a rented KIA Sedona a few months ago, and it wasn't bad
> > at all, in fact it was great and I said to myself I would rather drive
> > a Korean car than an American brand.
>
> > I bought a 4 cyl camry because its all I need, I dont expect my 4 cyl
> > to run like a 6 cylinder. The same way a person who buys a 6cyl should
> > not expect a 4cyl MPG. I thought everyone who buys a car thinks that
> > way. If you want neck snapping acceleration get the V6, after all we
> > all follow the same speed limit.
>
> Not all of us, though, take hours to get to THAT speed limit from a stop.
>
>
>
>
>
> > And to the original poster, dont forget to test drive a Hyundai
> > Sonata.
>
> > On Sep 30, 5:09 pm, "Honda-Man" <eastviewontheba...@verizon.net>
> > wrote:
> >> Techtech,
>
> >> Both cars are exceptional. However, make sure that you spend the extra $2500
> >> for the v6, otherwise you get the 4cyl that feels like a Kia.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -



What about 2008. I have narrowed it down to the Nissan Coupe 2008 or
2007. with a manual transmission. I like the style and I am a manual
stick shift girl. Tank you all for your help. I never thought I would
get so much response.

Re: Pro and Cons - Toyota Camry vs Honda Accord vs Nissan Altima
 

"Techie" <techtechxxxx@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1191287901.395112.84510@19g2000hsx.googlegrou ps.com...
> On Oct 1, 7:52 pm, "sharx35" <shar...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> "EdV" <systme...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>
>> news:1191251334.553393.249340@50g2000hsm.googlegro ups.com...
>>
>> >I was driving a rented KIA Sedona a few months ago, and it wasn't bad
>> > at all, in fact it was great and I said to myself I would rather drive
>> > a Korean car than an American brand.
>>
>> > I bought a 4 cyl camry because its all I need, I dont expect my 4 cyl
>> > to run like a 6 cylinder. The same way a person who buys a 6cyl should
>> > not expect a 4cyl MPG. I thought everyone who buys a car thinks that
>> > way. If you want neck snapping acceleration get the V6, after all we
>> > all follow the same speed limit.
>>
>> Not all of us, though, take hours to get to THAT speed limit from a stop.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> > And to the original poster, dont forget to test drive a Hyundai
>> > Sonata.
>>
>> > On Sep 30, 5:09 pm, "Honda-Man" <eastviewontheba...@verizon.net>
>> > wrote:
>> >> Techtech,
>>
>> >> Both cars are exceptional. However, make sure that you spend the extra $2500
>> >> for the v6, otherwise you get the 4cyl that feels like a Kia.- Hide quoted text -
>>
>> - Show quoted text -
>
>
>
> What about 2008. I have narrowed it down to the Nissan Coupe 2008 or
> 2007. with a manual transmission. I like the style and I am a manual
> stick shift girl. Tank you all for your help. I never thought I would
> get so much response.

I'm sure you get a lot of response from most guys you meet, eh?


>

Re: Pro and Cons - Toyota Camry vs Honda Accord vs Nissan Altima
 

"Techie" <techtechxxxx@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1191287901.395112.84510@19g2000hsx.googlegrou ps.com...
> On Oct 1, 7:52 pm, "sharx35" <shar...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> "EdV" <systme...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>
>> news:1191251334.553393.249340@50g2000hsm.googlegro ups.com...
>>
>> >I was driving a rented KIA Sedona a few months ago, and it wasn't bad
>> > at all, in fact it was great and I said to myself I would rather drive
>> > a Korean car than an American brand.
>>
>> > I bought a 4 cyl camry because its all I need, I dont expect my 4 cyl
>> > to run like a 6 cylinder. The same way a person who buys a 6cyl should
>> > not expect a 4cyl MPG. I thought everyone who buys a car thinks that
>> > way. If you want neck snapping acceleration get the V6, after all we
>> > all follow the same speed limit.
>>
>> Not all of us, though, take hours to get to THAT speed limit from a stop.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> > And to the original poster, dont forget to test drive a Hyundai
>> > Sonata.
>>
>> > On Sep 30, 5:09 pm, "Honda-Man" <eastviewontheba...@verizon.net>
>> > wrote:
>> >> Techtech,
>>
>> >> Both cars are exceptional. However, make sure that you spend the extra $2500
>> >> for the v6, otherwise you get the 4cyl that feels like a Kia.- Hide quoted text -
>>
>> - Show quoted text -
>
>
>
> What about 2008. I have narrowed it down to the Nissan Coupe 2008 or
> 2007. with a manual transmission. I like the style and I am a manual
> stick shift girl. Tank you all for your help. I never thought I would
> get so much response.

I'm sure you get a lot of response from most guys you meet, eh?


>

Re: Pro and Cons - Toyota Camry vs Honda Accord vs Nissan Altima
 

>
> What about 2008. I have narrowed it down to the Nissan Coupe 2008 or
> 2007. with a manual transmission. I like the style and I am a manual
> stick shift girl. Tank you all for your help. I never thought I would
> get so much response.

Lots of road noise in the new Altimas...

Re: Pro and Cons - Toyota Camry vs Honda Accord vs Nissan Altima
 

>
> What about 2008. I have narrowed it down to the Nissan Coupe 2008 or
> 2007. with a manual transmission. I like the style and I am a manual
> stick shift girl. Tank you all for your help. I never thought I would
> get so much response.

Lots of road noise in the new Altimas...

Re: Pro and Cons - Toyota Camry vs Honda Accord vs Nissan Altima
 

On Sep 28, 9:55 pm, "techtechx...@gmail.com" <techtechx...@gmail.com>
wrote:
> I am looking to buy a car. What do you guys think is better. I am
> looking at 2007s. I figure this is the time to get a decent discounted
> vehicle. I want a manual.

Given the superficial question allow me to provide a superficial
response; go with the car that has the color you like best.

Or you could invest some of your precious time and test drive the cars
you are considering instead of relying upon a bunch of guys wasting
time on-line.

Re: Pro and Cons - Toyota Camry vs Honda Accord vs Nissan Altima
 

On Sep 28, 9:55 pm, "techtechx...@gmail.com" <techtechx...@gmail.com>
wrote:
> I am looking to buy a car. What do you guys think is better. I am
> looking at 2007s. I figure this is the time to get a decent discounted
> vehicle. I want a manual.

Given the superficial question allow me to provide a superficial
response; go with the car that has the color you like best.

Or you could invest some of your precious time and test drive the cars
you are considering instead of relying upon a bunch of guys wasting
time on-line.

Re: Pro and Cons - Toyota Camry vs Honda Accord vs Nissan Altima
 

Don't be too hard on yourself

..... relying upon a bunch of guys wasting
> time on-line.

Reading online post of customer experiences is not such a bad idea at
all.

Re: Pro and Cons - Toyota Camry vs Honda Accord vs Nissan Altima
 

Don't be too hard on yourself

..... relying upon a bunch of guys wasting
> time on-line.

Reading online post of customer experiences is not such a bad idea at
all.