Re: Probably gonna get an Odyssey...
 

Wow, tough choices --

I'm not much of a fan of the Sienna, but it's not a bad car. The
Mercedes is VERY nice and is a really cool car, but their reliability
can't match the Toyota or the Honda. But as Seth put it above, it
should last for 27 months. Keep in mind though, this means you'll have
to buy another car in a little over two years, so if you're in this
for the long run, the Mercedes probably wouldn't be your best choice.

Overall, I'd take the Honda. I find it more comfortable, it's larger,
and it'll fit eight passengers. That should be a good plus for your
wife, especially if you have kids. Plus, it sounds like it's cheaper.

Good luck! Overall, any of the three you choose will serve you well,
it's just down to details now...

Re: Probably gonna get an Odyssey...
 

Wow, tough choices --

I'm not much of a fan of the Sienna, but it's not a bad car. The
Mercedes is VERY nice and is a really cool car, but their reliability
can't match the Toyota or the Honda. But as Seth put it above, it
should last for 27 months. Keep in mind though, this means you'll have
to buy another car in a little over two years, so if you're in this
for the long run, the Mercedes probably wouldn't be your best choice.

Overall, I'd take the Honda. I find it more comfortable, it's larger,
and it'll fit eight passengers. That should be a good plus for your
wife, especially if you have kids. Plus, it sounds like it's cheaper.

Good luck! Overall, any of the three you choose will serve you well,
it's just down to details now...

Re: Probably gonna get an Odyssey...
 

In article <1n43jjwpuc0re$.dlg@hightech.misfit>,
High Tech Misfit <me@privacy.net> wrote:

> Woody wrote:
>
> > Before you harp all the praise on the jap cars look at the 2002 Odyssey
> > problems on www.odyclub.com . With their transmission, EGR, IAC valve and
> > other problems they are far worse than the problems you had on the Venture.
> > The reliability is no better there.
>
> Woody, would you please do this newsgroup a favor... SHUT THE HELL UP!!!

Read his post carefully, and you'll see what an ignoramus he is.

He says that by 2007 GM has fixed their problems, so the 2002 GM vehicle
isn't a gauge of what GM stuff is like now. But then he says that we
should look at the 2002 Honda and know what Honda stuff is like, and
that the 2007 Honda hasn't been out long enough to know if anything's
fixed.

Hmmmmmm. By his definition, everything's fixed in the 2007 GM. We know
that apparently because, well, we know that. OTOH, the 2007 Honda
hasn't been out long enough to know.

Interesting logic, there.

If nothing else, look at the relative merits of the 02 Odyssey vs. the
02 GM, and extend that relationship the 07 Odyssey vs. the 07 GM. If
the 07 GM got X% better than the 02 GM, then the 07 Odyssey got X%
better than the 02 Odyssey.

And the Honda product in 02 was Y% better than the GM back then, so the
07 Honda product is the same Y% better than the 07 GM product.

Re: Probably gonna get an Odyssey...
 

In article <1n43jjwpuc0re$.dlg@hightech.misfit>,
High Tech Misfit <me@privacy.net> wrote:

> Woody wrote:
>
> > Before you harp all the praise on the jap cars look at the 2002 Odyssey
> > problems on www.odyclub.com . With their transmission, EGR, IAC valve and
> > other problems they are far worse than the problems you had on the Venture.
> > The reliability is no better there.
>
> Woody, would you please do this newsgroup a favor... SHUT THE HELL UP!!!

Read his post carefully, and you'll see what an ignoramus he is.

He says that by 2007 GM has fixed their problems, so the 2002 GM vehicle
isn't a gauge of what GM stuff is like now. But then he says that we
should look at the 2002 Honda and know what Honda stuff is like, and
that the 2007 Honda hasn't been out long enough to know if anything's
fixed.

Hmmmmmm. By his definition, everything's fixed in the 2007 GM. We know
that apparently because, well, we know that. OTOH, the 2007 Honda
hasn't been out long enough to know.

Interesting logic, there.

If nothing else, look at the relative merits of the 02 Odyssey vs. the
02 GM, and extend that relationship the 07 Odyssey vs. the 07 GM. If
the 07 GM got X% better than the 02 GM, then the 07 Odyssey got X%
better than the 02 Odyssey.

And the Honda product in 02 was Y% better than the GM back then, so the
07 Honda product is the same Y% better than the 07 GM product.

Re: Probably gonna get an Odyssey...
 

In article <1n43jjwpuc0re$.dlg@hightech.misfit>,
High Tech Misfit <me@privacy.net> wrote:

> Woody wrote:
>
> > Before you harp all the praise on the jap cars look at the 2002 Odyssey
> > problems on www.odyclub.com . With their transmission, EGR, IAC valve and
> > other problems they are far worse than the problems you had on the Venture.
> > The reliability is no better there.
>
> Woody, would you please do this newsgroup a favor... SHUT THE HELL UP!!!

Read his post carefully, and you'll see what an ignoramus he is.

He says that by 2007 GM has fixed their problems, so the 2002 GM vehicle
isn't a gauge of what GM stuff is like now. But then he says that we
should look at the 2002 Honda and know what Honda stuff is like, and
that the 2007 Honda hasn't been out long enough to know if anything's
fixed.

Hmmmmmm. By his definition, everything's fixed in the 2007 GM. We know
that apparently because, well, we know that. OTOH, the 2007 Honda
hasn't been out long enough to know.

Interesting logic, there.

If nothing else, look at the relative merits of the 02 Odyssey vs. the
02 GM, and extend that relationship the 07 Odyssey vs. the 07 GM. If
the 07 GM got X% better than the 02 GM, then the 07 Odyssey got X%
better than the 02 Odyssey.

And the Honda product in 02 was Y% better than the GM back then, so the
07 Honda product is the same Y% better than the 07 GM product.

Re: Probably gonna get an Odyssey...
 

In article <1n43jjwpuc0re$.dlg@hightech.misfit>,
High Tech Misfit <me@privacy.net> wrote:

> Woody wrote:
>
> > Before you harp all the praise on the jap cars look at the 2002 Odyssey
> > problems on www.odyclub.com . With their transmission, EGR, IAC valve and
> > other problems they are far worse than the problems you had on the Venture.
> > The reliability is no better there.
>
> Woody, would you please do this newsgroup a favor... SHUT THE HELL UP!!!

Read his post carefully, and you'll see what an ignoramus he is.

He says that by 2007 GM has fixed their problems, so the 2002 GM vehicle
isn't a gauge of what GM stuff is like now. But then he says that we
should look at the 2002 Honda and know what Honda stuff is like, and
that the 2007 Honda hasn't been out long enough to know if anything's
fixed.

Hmmmmmm. By his definition, everything's fixed in the 2007 GM. We know
that apparently because, well, we know that. OTOH, the 2007 Honda
hasn't been out long enough to know.

Interesting logic, there.

If nothing else, look at the relative merits of the 02 Odyssey vs. the
02 GM, and extend that relationship the 07 Odyssey vs. the 07 GM. If
the 07 GM got X% better than the 02 GM, then the 07 Odyssey got X%
better than the 02 Odyssey.

And the Honda product in 02 was Y% better than the GM back then, so the
07 Honda product is the same Y% better than the 07 GM product.

Re: Probably gonna get an Odyssey...
 

In article <%y6Ah.41$Tw5.27@newsfe08.lga>,
"Seth" <seth_lermanNOSPAM@hotmail.com> wrote:

> Wife likes the 8th seat in the Odyssey (as well as Honda's proven track
> record with previous cars we've had) more than the electric tailgate (which
> is included in the '07 Touring Odyssey).

I want an electric tailgate, but I absolutely WILL NOT suffer with
run-flat tires--which is all the US Touring model is equipped with.

If I really wanted a new Touring, I might seek out a Canadian model.

Re: Probably gonna get an Odyssey...
 

In article <%y6Ah.41$Tw5.27@newsfe08.lga>,
"Seth" <seth_lermanNOSPAM@hotmail.com> wrote:

> Wife likes the 8th seat in the Odyssey (as well as Honda's proven track
> record with previous cars we've had) more than the electric tailgate (which
> is included in the '07 Touring Odyssey).

I want an electric tailgate, but I absolutely WILL NOT suffer with
run-flat tires--which is all the US Touring model is equipped with.

If I really wanted a new Touring, I might seek out a Canadian model.

Re: Probably gonna get an Odyssey...
 

In article <%y6Ah.41$Tw5.27@newsfe08.lga>,
"Seth" <seth_lermanNOSPAM@hotmail.com> wrote:

> Wife likes the 8th seat in the Odyssey (as well as Honda's proven track
> record with previous cars we've had) more than the electric tailgate (which
> is included in the '07 Touring Odyssey).

I want an electric tailgate, but I absolutely WILL NOT suffer with
run-flat tires--which is all the US Touring model is equipped with.

If I really wanted a new Touring, I might seek out a Canadian model.

Re: Probably gonna get an Odyssey...
 

In article <%y6Ah.41$Tw5.27@newsfe08.lga>,
"Seth" <seth_lermanNOSPAM@hotmail.com> wrote:

> Wife likes the 8th seat in the Odyssey (as well as Honda's proven track
> record with previous cars we've had) more than the electric tailgate (which
> is included in the '07 Touring Odyssey).

I want an electric tailgate, but I absolutely WILL NOT suffer with
run-flat tires--which is all the US Touring model is equipped with.

If I really wanted a new Touring, I might seek out a Canadian model.

Re: Probably gonna get an Odyssey...
 

Well, what's done is done!

Got some Internet pricing from other dealers and went to my dealer (bringing
the wife and kids) so I could actually drive it and the kids could sit in it
(not that they were going to be part of the decision making).

He came down to $28,150 and $5000 on my trade-in for a net of $23,150. The
number I had in my head going in was 23,500, so I'm pleased. Going rate for
my old van on eBay is $4000 to $5600, we had high mileage. Now I don't have
to spend $100 having it detailed prior to auction, don't have to pay eBay
fees and I pay less sales tax (8.25%) on my new vehicle as here in NY they
only tax the net.

We're now a dual-Honda family.

Re: Probably gonna get an Odyssey...
 

Well, what's done is done!

Got some Internet pricing from other dealers and went to my dealer (bringing
the wife and kids) so I could actually drive it and the kids could sit in it
(not that they were going to be part of the decision making).

He came down to $28,150 and $5000 on my trade-in for a net of $23,150. The
number I had in my head going in was 23,500, so I'm pleased. Going rate for
my old van on eBay is $4000 to $5600, we had high mileage. Now I don't have
to spend $100 having it detailed prior to auction, don't have to pay eBay
fees and I pay less sales tax (8.25%) on my new vehicle as here in NY they
only tax the net.

We're now a dual-Honda family.

Re: Probably gonna get an Odyssey...
 

Well, what's done is done!

Got some Internet pricing from other dealers and went to my dealer (bringing
the wife and kids) so I could actually drive it and the kids could sit in it
(not that they were going to be part of the decision making).

He came down to $28,150 and $5000 on my trade-in for a net of $23,150. The
number I had in my head going in was 23,500, so I'm pleased. Going rate for
my old van on eBay is $4000 to $5600, we had high mileage. Now I don't have
to spend $100 having it detailed prior to auction, don't have to pay eBay
fees and I pay less sales tax (8.25%) on my new vehicle as here in NY they
only tax the net.

We're now a dual-Honda family.

Re: Probably gonna get an Odyssey...
 

Well, what's done is done!

Got some Internet pricing from other dealers and went to my dealer (bringing
the wife and kids) so I could actually drive it and the kids could sit in it
(not that they were going to be part of the decision making).

He came down to $28,150 and $5000 on my trade-in for a net of $23,150. The
number I had in my head going in was 23,500, so I'm pleased. Going rate for
my old van on eBay is $4000 to $5600, we had high mileage. Now I don't have
to spend $100 having it detailed prior to auction, don't have to pay eBay
fees and I pay less sales tax (8.25%) on my new vehicle as here in NY they
only tax the net.

We're now a dual-Honda family.

Re: Probably gonna get an Odyssey...
 

"Elmo P. Shagnasty" <elmop@nastydesigns.com> wrote in message
news:elmop-13DDF4.09551313022007@nntp1.usenetserver.com...
> In article <%y6Ah.41$Tw5.27@newsfe08.lga>,
> "Seth" <seth_lermanNOSPAM@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Wife likes the 8th seat in the Odyssey (as well as Honda's proven track
>> record with previous cars we've had) more than the electric tailgate
>> (which
>> is included in the '07 Touring Odyssey).
>
> I want an electric tailgate, but I absolutely WILL NOT suffer with
> run-flat tires--which is all the US Touring model is equipped with.

Because of the high cost of tire replacement? Or some other reason?

> If I really wanted a new Touring, I might seek out a Canadian model.
>