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jr92 <coachrose13@hotmail.com> wrote in
news:e8a4bbdc-c48e-4723-a855-719ec33c0d33@f8g2000yqn.googlegroups.com: > On Feb 7, 9:53 am, Tegger <inva...@invalid.inv> wrote: >> jr92 <coachros...@hotmail.com> wrote >> innews:c37f1896-29f5-406f-afd0-bca45 > 07d2fcb@f15g2000yqe.googlegroups.com: >> >> >> >> > Maybe because the Japanese government fears the public might not do >> > so??????? >> >> Who cares? Why is it so important that they buy our cars? >> > > > Two reasons. > > > 1. This is a car newsgroup. That is what we usually discuss here. But cars aren't the entire world. No realistic discussion of this issue can be limited to one single product, regardless of where the discussion takes place. > > > 2. More importantly, opening up the Japanese would undoubtably result > in an increase in US car sales, meaning more jobs. > > > > >> We've got lots of other stuff to sell Japan besides cars. >> > > > Like what???? Radios????????? Televisions?????????? You are truly the Google-challenged. Or you're just trying to pick a fight. From: <http://internationaltrade.suite101.com/article.cfm/japans_top_exports_imports> Japanese Imports from U.S. Of the $59.6 billion in American exports to Japan in 2006, the following product categories had the highest values. 1. Civilian aircraft - US$3.5 billion (5.9% of Japan from U.S. imports, up 9.4% from 2005) 2. Medicinal equipment - $2.7 billion (4.5%, down 2.2%) 3. Industrial machines - $2.3 billion (3.9%, up 17.9%) 4. Telecommunications equipment - $2.1 billion (3.5%, up 10.6%) 5. Semi-conductors - $2.06 billion (3.5%, up 10.4%) 6. Corn - $2.0 billion (3.3%, up 22.1%) 7. Pharmaceutical preparations - $1.8 billion (3.0%, up 13.2%) 8. Computer accessories - $1.75 billion (2.9%, down 2.4%) 9. Measuring, testing & control instruments - $1.69 billion (2.8%, up 16.4%) 10.Organic chemicals - $1.4 billion (2.4%, down 6.4%) Fastest-Growing Japanese Imports from U.S. Below are American exports to Japan in 2006 with the highest percentage sales increases from 2005. 1. Military apparel & footwear - US$196.3 million (up 185.9% from 2005) 2. Precious metals - $871.6 million (up 117.6%) 3. Copper - $222.2 million (up 78.2%) 4. Fuel oil - $75.6 million (up 77.9%) 5. Aluminum - $304.9 million (up 62.4%) -- Tegger |
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In message <Xns9D19607B324DDtegger@208.90.168.18>, Tegger
<invalid@invalid.inv> writes >But cars aren't the entire world. No realistic discussion >of this issue can be limited to one single product, regardless of >where the discussion takes place. Isn't it also a fact that unless you have garage space you are limited in the length of car you can buy to either 4 or 4.5 metres? -- Clive |
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jr92 <coachrose13@hotmail.com> wrote in
news:5d78097d-2d68-4fb9-8829-e1e2b7fda354@z26g2000yqm.googlegroups.com: > On Feb 7, 11:08 am, Clive <Cl...@yewbank.demon.co.uk> wrote: >> In message >> <c37f1896-29f5-406f-afd0-bca4507d2...@f15g2000yqe.googlegroups.com>, >> jr92 <coachros...@hotmail.com> writes>The GOVERNMENT restricts the >> number > of US imports sold in Japan. >> >> >If there were "TRUE FREE TRADE", and the Japanese still didn't buy >> >from the USA, you might have a point. >> >> I believe there really is free trade, it's just that so many makes of >> car don't conform to the tight Japanese specification. > > > > No, the Japanese Government restricts the number of US cars allowed to > be sold in the US. It does not. Not since 1978. > > > No free trade at all is allowed. Have you bothered to do /any/ reading about this? American makers have simply failed to address the needs and desires of the Japanese market. <http://www.jama.org/library/studies100297.htm> Excerpt: "Compounding these problems, the report said, was the fact that the Big Three had never built a car under 2,000-cc engine displacement - the segment that at the time accounted for more than 80% of the entire market (18) - nor had they designed any cars for Japan with the steering wheel on the right-hand side.(19) Moreover, prices of U.S.- made cars "tend[ed] to be higher by approximately 20% on average than those of comparable Japanese-made cars," the report said, despite the fact that Japan had completely eliminated auto tariffs in 1978.(20)" -- Tegger |
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Clive <Clive@yewbank.demon.co.uk> wrote in
news:KG+Jm5b1ICcLFwWA@yewbank.demon.co.uk: > In message <Xns9D19607B324DDtegger@208.90.168.18>, Tegger > <invalid@invalid.inv> writes >>But cars aren't the entire world. No realistic discussion >>of this issue can be limited to one single product, regardless of >>where the discussion takes place. > Isn't it also a fact that unless you have garage space you are limited > in the length of car you can buy to either 4 or 4.5 metres? I dunno. But if so, then why aren't the domestics making cars which fit that requirement? Look at the Japs strenuous efforts to make care we will buy. We certainly don't do the same for them. The original Honda Odyssey did not sell well. Why? It was too small. Honda made the Odyssey bigger, and buyers finally got interested. The Japanese try to find out why a particular vehicle isn't selling well here, and change the car so it will sell well. Do we do that for them? No. Toyota is doing better tham GM simply because it's a better-run company with smarter management. -- Tegger |
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pws <pwshelton@austin.rr.com> wrote in
news:hkp3vc$r0v$1@speranza.aioe.org: > Jim Yanik wrote: > >> I've bought "foreign" because "US" automakers simply didn't make the >> small,sporty performance coupes I prefer. >> Then there's the ergonomics,quality and resale value. >> I also note the large number and types of recalls the domestics have >> had. >> >> I wish Honda would make the Prelude again. >> I also wish small cars weighed under 2800 lbs.;cars have gotten too >> heavy,making mileage worse. >> IMO,no "small" car should need a V-6 to propel it at a decent >> performance. > > That is what I like about my early Miata, it only weighs about 2200 > pounds, maybe 2300 with the aftermarket parts, and I like roadsters. > > That car moved pretty nicely with 116 hp out of a 1.6 liter, but it > now has a 1.8 liter with a turbo that puts out about 200HP at the > wheels. The boost/power can be dialed up anytime, but the current > settings make for a nicely street-able vehicle. That is my toy car. all my Honda's were fun to drive. 1 Civic CVCC,2 Accord hatchbacks,2 Preludes,and the Integra. > > My 1995 Accord is also pretty lightweight compared to most sedans made > today, iirc. I forget exactly what it comes in at. > my 94 Integra GS-R was 2600 lbs.,sadly,stolen in 07,stripped and torched. (F'ing thieves) My 03 Sentra Spec V is IIRC,3200 lbs. -- Jim Yanik jyanik at localnet dot com |
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Jim Yanik wrote:
> all my Honda's were fun to drive. 1 Civic CVCC,2 Accord hatchbacks,2 > Preludes,and the Integra. I like Honda's a lot, I was very close to buying a 1994 GS-R when I was car shopping in 1998. It was a blast to drive and very comfortable too. > my 94 Integra GS-R was 2600 lbs.,sadly,stolen in 07,stripped and torched. > (F'ing thieves) > My 03 Sentra Spec V is IIRC,3200 lbs. That sucks. I have still never had a car stolen, that would really piss me off. |
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pws <pwshelton@austin.rr.com> wrote in
news:hkph71$t0p$1@speranza.aioe.org: > Jim Yanik wrote: > >> all my Honda's were fun to drive. 1 Civic CVCC,2 Accord hatchbacks,2 >> Preludes,and the Integra. > > I like Honda's a lot, I was very close to buying a 1994 GS-R when I > was car shopping in 1998. It was a blast to drive and very comfortable > too. > >> my 94 Integra GS-R was 2600 lbs.,sadly,stolen in 07,stripped and >> torched. (F'ing thieves) >> My 03 Sentra Spec V is IIRC,3200 lbs. > > That sucks. I have still never had a car stolen, that would really > piss me off. > You betcha! I lost a lot of auto tools I had in the back,too.Some were Xmas gifts from my partents. It's too easy to steal Hondas from that era. I had rerouted the hood release cable to inside the engine compartment,made a shield for the hood latch itself,and had the parts ready to install a secret fuel cutoff switch,but hadn't got to it yet. that would have stopped them.... :-( It took them less than 60 sec to steal it,despite the alarm I had installed.I still can't believe they got it started so fast;I threw my shorts on,grabbed my gun and was out the door in less than a minute,and the car was already thru the security gate and out of sight down the road. I could still hear the alarm wailing. Police were F-ing USELESS. So were the security gates. -- Jim Yanik jyanik at localnet dot com |
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On 02/08/2010 05:12 AM, pws wrote:
> jr92 wrote: > >> The 'likes of you" have destroyed many more jobs, by listening to CR >> and beliveing in media crap than any GM outsourcing could ever do. >> >> >> >> Shutting down factories because ' the likes of you" let CR do your >> thinking, or you wanted to have "my choice" resulted in entire US >> cities destroyed, economically. >> >> >> And don't even go near the argument that Japan employs a lot of >> Americans. >> >> >> They dont even come close to off setting the jobs lost due to the >> likes of you. > > > I have never read CR, literally never. My extreme dislike of American > vehicles is based on life experience. > > My experience with domestic vehicles has been far different than your > own. Based on my experience, it would be completely illogical to buy > something like the 2001 Impala that my neighbor owned which threw a rod > at 37K miles and was in the shop for warranty issues almost as much as > it was on the road before the self-destructing engine caused her to > trade the car in. > > As a replacement, she bought a Toyota that has performed very well for > over 5 years now. > > People did not just start hating domestic vehicles because it is trendy, > there is a very logical reason for it. I would not own a GM if it were > given to me, I would sell it immediately. > > Never, ever again on any GM crap. The job losses are perfectly > understandable, to be expected, in fact. > > Same with Ford, I have owned two POS Fords and my parent's owned the > worst lemon ever in the form of a Ford LTD. > > That LTD had problems that seemed like a practical joke. It actually had > a heater that would not turn off during the Texas summer, the horn > button popped off, the taillight covers fell off at random, the list > goes on and on. > They owned it less than a year before admitting their mistake and > switching to imports only from that point to today. > > Never again, and I mean never. You can argue the equal quality of > domestic vehicles forever, but it won't make people like me buy one. > > I, OTOH, have caused a good number of people to step back and rethink > their buying decision towards a reliable car when they start to glance > at the inferior domestic car market. couldn't have put it better myself. i'd love to know what our fanboi has to say about less-obvious quality issues for things like cast vs forged cranks. cast cranks were pioneered by domestics to cut production costs [and increase gas consumption] while the rest of the world looked on and snickered. they still do. |
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On 02/07/2010 10:13 PM, jr92 wrote:
> On Feb 7, 9:16�am, jim beam<m...@privacy.net> wrote: >> On 02/06/2010 11:37 PM, jr92 wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >>> On Feb 5, 1:17 am, Tegger<inva...@invalid.inv> �wrote: >>>> jr92<coachros...@hotmail.com> �wrote innews:28a1db53-7537-473d-8873-d2afacbd189a@k19g2000yqc.googlegroups.com: >> >>>>> On Feb 3, 10:17 am, jim beam<m...@privacy.net> �wrote: >>>>>> http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20100203...autocompanyrec. >>>>>> .. >> >>>>>> "US chides Toyota over recall" >> >>>>>> this is back-door protectionist political bullshit. >> >>>>> You mean, like the Japanese version of protectionism that, in 2008, >>>>> exported over 2 million vechicles to the US, while at the same time, >>>>> only allowing 12 thousand American nameplates to be imported >>>>> there?????? >> >>>> So what? Maybe the Japs simply don't like our cars. Ever thought of that? >>>> If WE won't buy them, why would THEY? >> >>> If that is the case, why not let the free market decide??????????????? >> >>> If you are right, the Japanese would NOT buy US products. >> >>> But, of course, they MIGHT buy US if they HAD THE CHANCE TO DO SO IN >>> THE FIRST PLACE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! >> >>> The GOVERNMENT restricts the number of US imports sold in Japan. >> >>> If there were "TRUE FREE TRADE", and the Japanese still didn't buy >>> from the USA, you might have a point. >> >>> But, being they are not allowed to so IN THE FIRST PLACE, you simply >>> make a moot point/ >> >>> Why not give the Japanese the CHOICE TO REJECT US >>> NAMEPLATES????????????????? >> >>> Maybe because the Japanese government fears the public might not do >>> so??????? >> >> that doesn't explain why japanese vehicles sell so well in all the other >> markets where u.s. manufacturers are free to compete. >> >> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Automot...y_Manufacturer >> >> note that >> >> 1. vw outsells gm globally for cars. > > >> > > > Might be true today. Tomorrow might be different. > > > > The market is very fluid at this point, and who " out sells who" > changes almost monthly. > > > > Fact of the matter is, wether they are second, first, or third in > total sales, GM sell MILLIONS of vehicles world wide, in markets where > they ARE ALLOWED TO COMPETE!!!!!! > > > > I've said it a thousand times before, but here it goes again: > > > > If you sell MILLIONS OF ANYTHING, it ain't junk. > > > > Junk doesn't sell, not by the millions. > > > > So, getting back to my original point, GM sell Millions of cars and > trucks world-wide, but only 12000 in Japan. > > > > Sounds to me Japan is using very unfair trade practices, or > "protectionism". > > > > > >> 2. gm's non-domestic product line includes opel, a range of cheap, >> small, efficient vehicles with global appeal that sell well in other >> markets [but they don't make them here]. �they have a real hard time >> selling their domestic product line overseas and they'd be sunk if they >> were so trying. >> > > > > > Yet, they cant build Buicks fast enough for China. > > > > Selling 'em by the millions. > > > > And they are hardly either, "non-domestic, nor cheap, small efficient > vehicles" > > > > > >> fact is, the japanese make better, more reliable vehicles that sell well >> in every market in the world. �u.s. domestic vehicles have very limited >> appeal outside domestic markets so this "protectionist" argument doesn't >> wash.. >> > >> > > Fact is, you are wrong, once again. Any way you can objectively > compare US to Japan clearly shows American nameplates are as good as, > or better than, what Japan has to offer. Check the numbers. > > > As far as biased-typed comparisons, I guess you'll have to stick to > the likes of Consumer Reports or the mass media (but wait, they are > beginning to hammer at the Toyotas like they did Gm in the 80's and > 90's.) > > > I guess we'll have to go to newsgroups like this and listen to the > likes of you whine about how unfair the media is treating Japanese > vehicles. > > > Hell , even Jim Higgins has posted negative things about Toyotas > lately. > > > If that ain't a sigh they are in trouble, I don't know what is! > > >> >> >> >>>> There's a reason Toyota has the market share they do, in spite of all the >>>> hatred directed against them from certain quarters. >> > > > > As does GM. > > > > Don't forget, they haven't left the planet yet. They are still selling > millions of cars and trucks. > > > Actually, its pretty amazing how they still sell so many vehicles > considering the things they have had to over come in the past 30 > years. > > > > Just more evidence they must make a pretty damned good product, > > > >>>> -- >>>> Tegger- Hide quoted text - >> >> - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - >> >> - Show quoted text - > i bow to tegger on this - he's got your number. |
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On 02/08/2010 07:00 AM, Tegger wrote:
> jr92<coachrose13@hotmail.com> wrote in > news:5d78097d-2d68-4fb9-8829-e1e2b7fda354@z26g2000yqm.googlegroups.com: > >> On Feb 7, 11:08�am, Clive<Cl...@yewbank.demon.co.uk> wrote: >>> In message >>> <c37f1896-29f5-406f-afd0-bca4507d2...@f15g2000yqe.googlegroups.com>, >>> jr92<coachros...@hotmail.com> writes>The GOVERNMENT restricts the >>> number >> of US imports sold in Japan. >>> >>>> If there were "TRUE FREE TRADE", and the Japanese still didn't buy >>> >from the USA, you might have a point. >>> >>> I believe there really is free trade, it's just that so many makes of >>> car don't conform to the tight Japanese specification. >> >> >> >> No, the Japanese Government restricts the number of US cars allowed to >> be sold in the US. > > > > It does not. Not since 1978. > > >> >> >> No free trade at all is allowed. > > > > Have you bothered to do /any/ reading about this? American makers have > simply failed to address the needs and desires of the Japanese market. > > > <http://www.jama.org/library/studies100297.htm> > > Excerpt: > "Compounding these problems, the report said, was the fact that the Big > Three had never built a car under 2,000-cc engine displacement - the > segment that at the time accounted for more than 80% of the entire market > (18) - nor had they designed any cars for Japan with the steering wheel on > the right-hand side.(19) Moreover, prices of U.S.- made cars "tend[ed] to > be higher by approximately 20% on average than those of comparable > Japanese-made cars," the report said, despite the fact that Japan had > completely eliminated auto tariffs in 1978.(20)" > > > well said. |
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"Tegger" <invalid@invalid.inv> wrote in message news:Xns9D196A377E488tegger@208.90.168.18... > Clive <Clive@yewbank.demon.co.uk> wrote in > news:KG+Jm5b1ICcLFwWA@yewbank.demon.co.uk: > I dunno. But if so, then why aren't the domestics making cars which fit > that requirement? > > Look at the Japs strenuous efforts to make care we will buy. We certainly > don't do the same for them. The original Honda Odyssey did not sell well. > Why? It was too small. Honda made the Odyssey bigger, and buyers finally > got interested. > > The Japanese try to find out why a particular vehicle isn't selling well > here, and change the car so it will sell well. Do we do that for them? No. > > Toyota is doing better tham GM simply because it's a better-run company > with smarter management. > > > > -- > Tegger Spot on Tegger!!! My concern now is that Government Motors will be run into the ground if the Bureaucrats don't let people who know how run the company. If they won't, then I greatly fear GMs demise. The guvmint doesn't have a great track record managing anything. DaveD |
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Jim Yanik wrote:
> You betcha! I lost a lot of auto tools I had in the back,too.Some were Xmas > gifts from my partents. > > It's too easy to steal Hondas from that era. > I had rerouted the hood release cable to inside the engine compartment,made > a shield for the hood latch itself,and had the parts ready to install a > secret fuel cutoff switch,but hadn't got to it yet. > that would have stopped them.... :-( > > It took them less than 60 sec to steal it,despite the alarm I had > installed.I still can't believe they got it started so fast;I threw my > shorts on,grabbed my gun and was out the door in less than a minute,and the > car was already thru the security gate and out of sight down the road. > I could still hear the alarm wailing. > > Police were F-ing USELESS. So were the security gates. I need to do something like the fuel cut-off switch on my '91 Miata. The blue book value is only a couple of grand, but it would cost me many times that amount to duplicate it as it sits now. Yeah, maybe get the parts for that today. Miatas are not a highly sought-after car for parts, but joy-riders are always a possibility, and the wheels and intercooler could attract attention from knowledgeable thieves. I could stand to do the same to my '94 Accord, it is easy to steal as you said. Neither car has any anti-theft protection beyond the ignition switch, and I don't even lock the Miata, as a slashed top is more expensive to replace than anything inside the car. |
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His comment was just one more YABUT excuse to deflect from the fact Toyota has been ordered to recall 5.4 MILLION unsafe vehicles all around the world. LOL "jim beam" <me@privacy.net> wrote in message news:b7udnRf6_8bLR-3WnZ2dnUVZ_oJi4p2d@speakeasy.net... > On 02/07/2010 10:13 PM, jr92 wrote: >> On Feb 7, 9:16?am, jim beam<m...@privacy.net> wrote: >>> On 02/06/2010 11:37 PM, jr92 wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>> On Feb 5, 1:17 am, Tegger<inva...@invalid.inv> ?wrote: >>>>> jr92<coachros...@hotmail.com> ?wrote >>>>> innews:28a1db53-7537-473d-8873-d2afacbd189a@k19g2000yqc.googlegroups.com: >>> >>>>>> On Feb 3, 10:17 am, jim beam<m...@privacy.net> ?wrote: >>>>>>> http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20100203...autocompanyrec. >>>>>>> .. >>> >>>>>>> "US chides Toyota over recall" >>> >>>>>>> this is back-door protectionist political bullshit. >>> >>>>>> You mean, like the Japanese version of protectionism that, in 2008, >>>>>> exported over 2 million vechicles to the US, while at the same time, >>>>>> only allowing 12 thousand American nameplates to be imported >>>>>> there?????? >>> >>>>> So what? Maybe the Japs simply don't like our cars. Ever thought of >>>>> that? >>>>> If WE won't buy them, why would THEY? >>> >>>> If that is the case, why not let the free market decide??????????????? >>> >>>> If you are right, the Japanese would NOT buy US products. >>> >>>> But, of course, they MIGHT buy US if they HAD THE CHANCE TO DO SO IN >>>> THE FIRST PLACE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! >>> >>>> The GOVERNMENT restricts the number of US imports sold in Japan. >>> >>>> If there were "TRUE FREE TRADE", and the Japanese still didn't buy >>>> from the USA, you might have a point. >>> >>>> But, being they are not allowed to so IN THE FIRST PLACE, you simply >>>> make a moot point/ >>> >>>> Why not give the Japanese the CHOICE TO REJECT US >>>> NAMEPLATES????????????????? >>> >>>> Maybe because the Japanese government fears the public might not do >>>> so??????? >>> >>> that doesn't explain why japanese vehicles sell so well in all the other >>> markets where u.s. manufacturers are free to compete. >>> >>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Automot...y_Manufacturer >>> >>> note that >>> >>> 1. vw outsells gm globally for cars. >> >> >>> >> >> >> Might be true today. Tomorrow might be different. >> >> >> >> The market is very fluid at this point, and who " out sells who" >> changes almost monthly. >> >> >> >> Fact of the matter is, wether they are second, first, or third in >> total sales, GM sell MILLIONS of vehicles world wide, in markets where >> they ARE ALLOWED TO COMPETE!!!!!! >> >> >> >> I've said it a thousand times before, but here it goes again: >> >> >> >> If you sell MILLIONS OF ANYTHING, it ain't junk. >> >> >> >> Junk doesn't sell, not by the millions. >> >> >> >> So, getting back to my original point, GM sell Millions of cars and >> trucks world-wide, but only 12000 in Japan. >> >> >> >> Sounds to me Japan is using very unfair trade practices, or >> "protectionism". >> >> >> >> >> >>> 2. gm's non-domestic product line includes opel, a range of cheap, >>> small, efficient vehicles with global appeal that sell well in other >>> markets [but they don't make them here]. ?they have a real hard time >>> selling their domestic product line overseas and they'd be sunk if they >>> were so trying. >>> >> >> >> >> >> Yet, they cant build Buicks fast enough for China. >> >> >> >> Selling 'em by the millions. >> >> >> >> And they are hardly either, "non-domestic, nor cheap, small efficient >> vehicles" >> >> >> >> >> >>> fact is, the japanese make better, more reliable vehicles that sell well >>> in every market in the world. ?u.s. domestic vehicles have very limited >>> appeal outside domestic markets so this "protectionist" argument doesn't >>> wash.. >>> >> >>> >> >> Fact is, you are wrong, once again. Any way you can objectively >> compare US to Japan clearly shows American nameplates are as good as, >> or better than, what Japan has to offer. Check the numbers. >> >> >> As far as biased-typed comparisons, I guess you'll have to stick to >> the likes of Consumer Reports or the mass media (but wait, they are >> beginning to hammer at the Toyotas like they did Gm in the 80's and >> 90's.) >> >> >> I guess we'll have to go to newsgroups like this and listen to the >> likes of you whine about how unfair the media is treating Japanese >> vehicles. >> >> >> Hell , even Jim Higgins has posted negative things about Toyotas >> lately. >> >> >> If that ain't a sigh they are in trouble, I don't know what is! >> >> >>> >>> >>> >>>>> There's a reason Toyota has the market share they do, in spite of all >>>>> the >>>>> hatred directed against them from certain quarters. >>> >> >> >> >> As does GM. >> >> >> >> Don't forget, they haven't left the planet yet. They are still selling >> millions of cars and trucks. >> >> >> Actually, its pretty amazing how they still sell so many vehicles >> considering the things they have had to over come in the past 30 >> years. >> >> >> >> Just more evidence they must make a pretty damned good product, >> >> >> >>>>> -- >>>>> Tegger- Hide quoted text - >>> >>> - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - >>> >>> - Show quoted text - >> > > > i bow to tegger on this - he's got your number. |
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His comment was just one more YABUT excuse to deflect from the fact Toyota has been ordered to recall 5.4 MILLION unsafe vehicles all around the world. LOL "jim beam" <me@privacy.net> wrote in message news:b7udnRb6_8blR-3WnZ2dnUVZ_oL_fwAA@speakeasy.net... > On 02/08/2010 07:00 AM, Tegger wrote: >> jr92<coachrose13@hotmail.com> wrote in >> news:5d78097d-2d68-4fb9-8829-e1e2b7fda354@z26g2000yqm.googlegroups.com: >> >>> On Feb 7, 11:08?am, Clive<Cl...@yewbank.demon.co.uk> wrote: >>>> In message >>>> <c37f1896-29f5-406f-afd0-bca4507d2...@f15g2000yqe.googlegroups.com>, >>>> jr92<coachros...@hotmail.com> writes>The GOVERNMENT restricts the >>>> number >>> of US imports sold in Japan. >>>> >>>>> If there were "TRUE FREE TRADE", and the Japanese still didn't buy >>>> >from the USA, you might have a point. >>>> >>>> I believe there really is free trade, it's just that so many makes of >>>> car don't conform to the tight Japanese specification. >>> >>> >>> >>> No, the Japanese Government restricts the number of US cars allowed to >>> be sold in the US. >> >> >> >> It does not. Not since 1978. >> >> >>> >>> >>> No free trade at all is allowed. >> >> >> >> Have you bothered to do /any/ reading about this? American makers have >> simply failed to address the needs and desires of the Japanese market. >> >> >> <http://www.jama.org/library/studies100297.htm> >> >> Excerpt: >> "Compounding these problems, the report said, was the fact that the Big >> Three had never built a car under 2,000-cc engine displacement - the >> segment that at the time accounted for more than 80% of the entire market >> (18) - nor had they designed any cars for Japan with the steering wheel >> on >> the right-hand side.(19) Moreover, prices of U.S.- made cars "tend[ed] to >> be higher by approximately 20% on average than those of comparable >> Japanese-made cars," the report said, despite the fact that Japan had >> completely eliminated auto tariffs in 1978.(20)" >> >> >> > > well said. |
Re: protectionist b.s.
pws <pwshelton@austin.rr.com> wrote in
news:hkrq67$73u$1@speranza.aioe.org: > I need to do something like the fuel cut-off switch on my '91 Miata. > The blue book value is only a couple of grand, but it would cost me > many times that amount to duplicate it as it sits now. Plus you really feel violated once your car is gone. > > Yeah, maybe get the parts for that today. Miatas are not a highly > sought-after car for parts, but joy-riders are always a possibility, > and the wheels and intercooler could attract attention from > knowledgeable thieves. Definitely! > > I could stand to do the same to my '94 Accord, it is easy to steal as > you said. Neither car has any anti-theft protection beyond the > ignition switch, and I don't even lock the Miata, as a slashed top is > more expensive to replace than anything inside the car. > I had a 12V relay,a magnetic reed switch and a magnet; I was going to wire the relay into the fuel pump power line,and hide the reed switch under a place where I could place the magnet to activate the fuel pump before starting the car. The hard part on my Integra would have been removing the hatchback's back seat to access the fuel pump and it's wiring. you could hide the reed under the carpet somewhere,or under the door trim plate,or somewhere in the console,but you have to have a way to keep the magnet in place while you're driving,and not show evidence of it when you remove the magnet.I won't disclose what I had in mind,I may want to use it elsewhere.It was pretty sneaky. B-) Of course,it's simpler to just use a toggle switch and find a good place to hide it. IMO,it's easier for the thief to find it though. -- Jim Yanik jyanik at localnet dot com |
Re: protectionist b.s.
Jim Yanik wrote:
> I had a 12V relay,a magnetic reed switch and a magnet; > I was going to wire the relay into the fuel pump power line,and hide the > reed switch under a place where I could place the magnet to activate the > fuel pump before starting the car. The hard part on my Integra would have > been removing the hatchback's back seat to access the fuel pump and it's > wiring. > > you could hide the reed under the carpet somewhere,or under the door trim > plate,or somewhere in the console,but you have to have a way to keep the > magnet in place while you're driving,and not show evidence of it when you > remove the magnet.I won't disclose what I had in mind,I may want to use it > elsewhere.It was pretty sneaky. B-) > > Of course,it's simpler to just use a toggle switch and find a good place to > hide it. IMO,it's easier for the thief to find it though. I was thinking of a toggle switch, never thought of a magnetically activated one. Would this be reliable? It sounds very difficult to defeat, and also pretty cool. |
Re: protectionist b.s.
pws <pwshelton@austin.rr.com> wrote in
news:hkss99$14q$2@speranza.aioe.org: > Jim Yanik wrote: > >> I had a 12V relay,a magnetic reed switch and a magnet; >> I was going to wire the relay into the fuel pump power line,and hide >> the reed switch under a place where I could place the magnet to >> activate the fuel pump before starting the car. The hard part on my >> Integra would have been removing the hatchback's back seat to access >> the fuel pump and it's wiring. >> >> you could hide the reed under the carpet somewhere,or under the door >> trim plate,or somewhere in the console,but you have to have a way to >> keep the magnet in place while you're driving,and not show evidence >> of it when you remove the magnet.I won't disclose what I had in >> mind,I may want to use it elsewhere.It was pretty sneaky. B-) >> >> Of course,it's simpler to just use a toggle switch and find a good >> place to hide it. IMO,it's easier for the thief to find it though. > > I was thinking of a toggle switch, never thought of a magnetically > activated one. > > Would this be reliable? It sounds very difficult to defeat, and also > pretty cool. > magnetic reed switches are very reliable. But if the theives can find it quickly enough,they can bypass it. -- Jim Yanik jyanik at localnet dot com |
Re: protectionist b.s.
Jim Yanik wrote:
> magnetic reed switches are very reliable. > But if the theives can find it quickly enough,they can bypass it. But they would need to have a magnet and know where it was located. Sounds interesting. Time to research magnetic reed switches, I have never heard of them before this. Thanks! |
Re: protectionist b.s.
On 02/09/2010 07:10 AM, Mike Hunter wrote:
> (Cross posting deleted, automatically) except that it's not. and nor should it be. and don't top post. > > His comment was just one more YABUT excuse to deflect from the fact Toyota > has been ordered to recall 5.4 MILLION unsafe vehicles all around the world. > LOL no, toyota have /not/ "been ordered", they have done a voluntary recall. see frod for details of how to avoid compulsory recalls. > > "jim beam"<me@privacy.net> wrote in message > news:b7udnRf6_8bLR-3WnZ2dnUVZ_oJi4p2d@speakeasy.net... >> On 02/07/2010 10:13 PM, jr92 wrote: >>> On Feb 7, 9:16?am, jim beam<m...@privacy.net> wrote: >>>> On 02/06/2010 11:37 PM, jr92 wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> On Feb 5, 1:17 am, Tegger<inva...@invalid.inv> ?wrote: >>>>>> jr92<coachros...@hotmail.com> ?wrote >>>>>> innews:28a1db53-7537-473d-8873-d2afacbd189a@k19g2000yqc.googlegroups.com: >>>> >>>>>>> On Feb 3, 10:17 am, jim beam<m...@privacy.net> ?wrote: >>>>>>>> http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20100203...autocompanyrec. >>>>>>>> .. >>>> >>>>>>>> "US chides Toyota over recall" >>>> >>>>>>>> this is back-door protectionist political bullshit. >>>> >>>>>>> You mean, like the Japanese version of protectionism that, in 2008, >>>>>>> exported over 2 million vechicles to the US, while at the same time, >>>>>>> only allowing 12 thousand American nameplates to be imported >>>>>>> there?????? >>>> >>>>>> So what? Maybe the Japs simply don't like our cars. Ever thought of >>>>>> that? >>>>>> If WE won't buy them, why would THEY? >>>> >>>>> If that is the case, why not let the free market decide??????????????? >>>> >>>>> If you are right, the Japanese would NOT buy US products. >>>> >>>>> But, of course, they MIGHT buy US if they HAD THE CHANCE TO DO SO IN >>>>> THE FIRST PLACE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! >>>> >>>>> The GOVERNMENT restricts the number of US imports sold in Japan. >>>> >>>>> If there were "TRUE FREE TRADE", and the Japanese still didn't buy >>>>> from the USA, you might have a point. >>>> >>>>> But, being they are not allowed to so IN THE FIRST PLACE, you simply >>>>> make a moot point/ >>>> >>>>> Why not give the Japanese the CHOICE TO REJECT US >>>>> NAMEPLATES????????????????? >>>> >>>>> Maybe because the Japanese government fears the public might not do >>>>> so??????? >>>> >>>> that doesn't explain why japanese vehicles sell so well in all the other >>>> markets where u.s. manufacturers are free to compete. >>>> >>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Automot...y_Manufacturer >>>> >>>> note that >>>> >>>> 1. vw outsells gm globally for cars. >>> >>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> Might be true today. Tomorrow might be different. >>> >>> >>> >>> The market is very fluid at this point, and who " out sells who" >>> changes almost monthly. >>> >>> >>> >>> Fact of the matter is, wether they are second, first, or third in >>> total sales, GM sell MILLIONS of vehicles world wide, in markets where >>> they ARE ALLOWED TO COMPETE!!!!!! >>> >>> >>> >>> I've said it a thousand times before, but here it goes again: >>> >>> >>> >>> If you sell MILLIONS OF ANYTHING, it ain't junk. >>> >>> >>> >>> Junk doesn't sell, not by the millions. >>> >>> >>> >>> So, getting back to my original point, GM sell Millions of cars and >>> trucks world-wide, but only 12000 in Japan. >>> >>> >>> >>> Sounds to me Japan is using very unfair trade practices, or >>> "protectionism". >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>> 2. gm's non-domestic product line includes opel, a range of cheap, >>>> small, efficient vehicles with global appeal that sell well in other >>>> markets [but they don't make them here]. ?they have a real hard time >>>> selling their domestic product line overseas and they'd be sunk if they >>>> were so trying. >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Yet, they cant build Buicks fast enough for China. >>> >>> >>> >>> Selling 'em by the millions. >>> >>> >>> >>> And they are hardly either, "non-domestic, nor cheap, small efficient >>> vehicles" >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>> fact is, the japanese make better, more reliable vehicles that sell well >>>> in every market in the world. ?u.s. domestic vehicles have very limited >>>> appeal outside domestic markets so this "protectionist" argument doesn't >>>> wash.. >>>> >>> >>>> >>> >>> Fact is, you are wrong, once again. Any way you can objectively >>> compare US to Japan clearly shows American nameplates are as good as, >>> or better than, what Japan has to offer. Check the numbers. >>> >>> >>> As far as biased-typed comparisons, I guess you'll have to stick to >>> the likes of Consumer Reports or the mass media (but wait, they are >>> beginning to hammer at the Toyotas like they did Gm in the 80's and >>> 90's.) >>> >>> >>> I guess we'll have to go to newsgroups like this and listen to the >>> likes of you whine about how unfair the media is treating Japanese >>> vehicles. >>> >>> >>> Hell , even Jim Higgins has posted negative things about Toyotas >>> lately. >>> >>> >>> If that ain't a sigh they are in trouble, I don't know what is! >>> >>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> There's a reason Toyota has the market share they do, in spite of all >>>>>> the >>>>>> hatred directed against them from certain quarters. >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> As does GM. >>> >>> >>> >>> Don't forget, they haven't left the planet yet. They are still selling >>> millions of cars and trucks. >>> >>> >>> Actually, its pretty amazing how they still sell so many vehicles >>> considering the things they have had to over come in the past 30 >>> years. >>> >>> >>> >>> Just more evidence they must make a pretty damned good product, >>> >>> >>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> Tegger- Hide quoted text - >>>> >>>> - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - >>>> >>>> - Show quoted text - >>> >> >> >> i bow to tegger on this - he's got your number. > > |
Re: protectionist b.s.
On 02/09/2010 04:02 PM, Jim Yanik wrote:
> pws<pwshelton@austin.rr.com> wrote in > news:hkss99$14q$2@speranza.aioe.org: > >> Jim Yanik wrote: >> >>> I had a 12V relay,a magnetic reed switch and a magnet; >>> I was going to wire the relay into the fuel pump power line,and hide >>> the reed switch under a place where I could place the magnet to >>> activate the fuel pump before starting the car. The hard part on my >>> Integra would have been removing the hatchback's back seat to access >>> the fuel pump and it's wiring. >>> >>> you could hide the reed under the carpet somewhere,or under the door >>> trim plate,or somewhere in the console,but you have to have a way to >>> keep the magnet in place while you're driving,and not show evidence >>> of it when you remove the magnet.I won't disclose what I had in >>> mind,I may want to use it elsewhere.It was pretty sneaky. B-) >>> >>> Of course,it's simpler to just use a toggle switch and find a good >>> place to hide it. IMO,it's easier for the thief to find it though. >> >> I was thinking of a toggle switch, never thought of a magnetically >> activated one. >> >> Would this be reliable? It sounds very difficult to defeat, and also >> pretty cool. >> > > magnetic reed switches are very reliable. the switch may be reliable, but the magnet positioning would be problematic. you really don't need that thing shifting and killing fuel each time you hit a bump. > But if the theives can find it quickly enough,they can bypass it. > |
Re: protectionist b.s.
jim beam wrote:
> the switch may be reliable, but the magnet positioning would be > problematic. you really don't need that thing shifting and killing fuel > each time you hit a bump. I would make sure that it was secured well, but I may just go with a toggle switch instead. Thanks, |
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