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protectionist b.s.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20100203...20100203001517
"US chides Toyota over recall" this is back-door protectionist political bullshit. fact: ford, bmw, and others have all had throttle sensor problems, and in much greater numbers than toyota. fact: the media has all but ignored it. here we are, hot on the heels of political dismay at the unconsidered consequences of their ridiculous "cash for clunkers" program benefiting manufacturers of fuel efficient cars, not domestic gas guzzlers, being subjected to politically motivated hysterical xenophobia. fact: toyota sells better, more fuel efficient, safer, more reliable vehicles using american parts and american labor than domestics assembling their carp from the chinese componentry they import. if toyota needs to learn a lesson from this fiasco, it's that they need to show up in washington and hand over their lobbying cash like detroit does, not be politically naive and simply rely on selling superior product. |
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On Wed, 03 Feb 2010 07:17:45 -0800, jim beam <me@privacy.net> wrote:
>http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20100203...20100203001517 > >"US chides Toyota over recall" > >this is back-door protectionist political bullshit. > >fact: ford, bmw, and others have all had throttle sensor problems, and >in much greater numbers than toyota. > >fact: the media has all but ignored it. > >here we are, hot on the heels of political dismay at the unconsidered >consequences of their ridiculous "cash for clunkers" program benefiting >manufacturers of fuel efficient cars, not domestic gas guzzlers, being >subjected to politically motivated hysterical xenophobia. > >fact: toyota sells better, more fuel efficient, safer, more reliable >vehicles using american parts and american labor than domestics >assembling their carp from the chinese componentry they import. > >if toyota needs to learn a lesson from this fiasco, it's that they need >to show up in washington and hand over their lobbying cash like detroit >does, not be politically naive and simply rely on selling superior product. Well said. Al Moodie |
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On Wed, 03 Feb 2010 07:17:45 -0800, jim beam <me@privacy.net> wrote:
>http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20100203...20100203001517 > >"US chides Toyota over recall" > >this is back-door protectionist political bullshit. > >fact: ford, bmw, and others have all had throttle sensor problems, and >in much greater numbers than toyota. > >fact: the media has all but ignored it. > >here we are, hot on the heels of political dismay at the unconsidered >consequences of their ridiculous "cash for clunkers" program benefiting >manufacturers of fuel efficient cars, not domestic gas guzzlers, being >subjected to politically motivated hysterical xenophobia. > >fact: toyota sells better, more fuel efficient, safer, more reliable >vehicles using american parts and american labor than domestics >assembling their carp from the chinese componentry they import. > >if toyota needs to learn a lesson from this fiasco, it's that they need >to show up in washington and hand over their lobbying cash like detroit >does, not be politically naive and simply rely on selling superior product. You were right to begin with .... b.s. |
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On 02/03/10 10:17, jim beam wrote:
> http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20100203...20100203001517 > > > "US chides Toyota over recall" > > this is back-door protectionist political bullshit. > > fact: ford, bmw, and others have all had throttle sensor problems, and > in much greater numbers than toyota. > > fact: the media has all but ignored it. > > here we are, hot on the heels of political dismay at the unconsidered > consequences of their ridiculous "cash for clunkers" program benefiting > manufacturers of fuel efficient cars, not domestic gas guzzlers, being > subjected to politically motivated hysterical xenophobia. > > fact: toyota sells better, more fuel efficient, safer, more reliable > vehicles using american parts and american labor than domestics > assembling their carp from the chinese componentry they import. > > if toyota needs to learn a lesson from this fiasco, it's that they need > to show up in washington and hand over their lobbying cash like detroit > does, not be politically naive and simply rely on selling superior product. Take a pill, relax. ("It's only Chinatown") :) |
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jim beam <me@privacy.net> wrote in
news:SYadnYVv5qcHDvTWnZ2dnUVZ_sWdnZ2d@speakeasy.ne t: > http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20100203...tocompanyrecal > ltoyota_20100203001517 > > "US chides Toyota over recall" > > this is back-door protectionist political bullshit. > > fact: ford, bmw, and others have all had throttle sensor problems, and > in much greater numbers than toyota. > > fact: the media has all but ignored it. Currently Toyota accounts for 41% of all unintended acceleration incidents. Ford accounts for 28%. Both Toyota and Ford have about a 16% market share apiece. GM and Chrysler have UA numbers smaller than their market shares. I don't know the exact number. -- Tegger |
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jim beam <me@privacy.net> wrote in
news:SYadnYVv5qcHDvTWnZ2dnUVZ_sWdnZ2d@speakeasy.ne t: > http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20100203...tocompanyrecal > ltoyota_20100203001517 > > "US chides Toyota over recall" > > this is back-door protectionist political bullshit. > > fact: ford, bmw, and others have all had throttle sensor problems, and > in much greater numbers than toyota. > > fact: the media has all but ignored it. Another take on all this: http://network.nationalpost.com/np/b...situation.aspx The author is a private pilot, and has raced motorcycles for many years. He has some knowledge of machinery. -- Tegger |
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On 2010-02-03 13:46:35 -0800, Grumpy AuContraire
<GrumpyOne@GrumpyvilleNOT.com> said: > Simply put, a substantial number of people behind the wheel just don't > belong there... From your mouth, to God's ears. Ever drive in Arizona? |
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Tegger wrote:
> jim beam <me@privacy.net> wrote in > news:SYadnYVv5qcHDvTWnZ2dnUVZ_sWdnZ2d@speakeasy.ne t: > >> http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20100203...tocompanyrecal >> ltoyota_20100203001517 >> >> "US chides Toyota over recall" >> >> this is back-door protectionist political bullshit. >> >> fact: ford, bmw, and others have all had throttle sensor problems, and >> in much greater numbers than toyota. >> >> fact: the media has all but ignored it. > > > > Another take on all this: > http://network.nationalpost.com/np/b...situation.aspx > The author is a private pilot, and has raced motorcycles for > many years. He has some knowledge of machinery. Good reference that amplifies the need to educate drivers as to emergency procedures common to all vehicles. As a licensed pilot, a lot of this is incorporated in training. As a certified SCUBA diver, a lot of this is incorporated in training. I have long advocated that getting a driver's license should encompass more than parallel parking etc. Everyone behind the wheel should be aware of automotive basics as well as driving technique. That includes emergency responses to sudden life threatening events. Further, cars have become far too complex for what they are expected to deliver. Airplanes go through strict regimens of maintenance while cars don't. Yet both approach each other with regard the degree of operating complexity. Simply put, a substantial number of people behind the wheel just don't belong there... JT |
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Conscience wrote:
> On 2010-02-03 13:46:35 -0800, Grumpy AuContraire > <GrumpyOne@GrumpyvilleNOT.com> said: > >> Simply put, a substantial number of people behind the wheel just don't >> belong there... > > From your mouth, to God's ears. > > Ever drive in Arizona? > Flaw-duh? |
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On 02/03/10 16:46, Grumpy AuContraire wrote:
> Tegger wrote: >> jim beam <me@privacy.net> wrote in >> news:SYadnYVv5qcHDvTWnZ2dnUVZ_sWdnZ2d@speakeasy.ne t: >>> http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20100203...tocompanyrecal >>> ltoyota_20100203001517 >>> "US chides Toyota over recall" >>> >>> this is back-door protectionist political bullshit. >>> >>> fact: ford, bmw, and others have all had throttle sensor problems, and >>> in much greater numbers than toyota. >>> >>> fact: the media has all but ignored it. >> >> >> >> Another take on all this: >> http://network.nationalpost.com/np/b...situation.aspx >> >> The author is a private pilot, and has raced motorcycles for >> many years. He has some knowledge of machinery. > > > Good reference that amplifies the need to educate drivers as to > emergency procedures common to all vehicles. > > As a licensed pilot, a lot of this is incorporated in training. > > As a certified SCUBA diver, a lot of this is incorporated in training. > > I have long advocated that getting a driver's license should encompass > more than parallel parking etc. Everyone behind the wheel should be > aware of automotive basics as well as driving technique. That includes > emergency responses to sudden life threatening events. > > Further, cars have become far too complex for what they are expected to > deliver. Airplanes go through strict regimens of maintenance while cars > don't. Yet both approach each other with regard the degree of operating > complexity. > > Simply put, a substantial number of people behind the wheel just don't > belong there... They vote, too. :( |
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"News" <News@Group.Name> wrote in message news:yIednQTk5Y6cbvTWnZ2dnUVZ_uti4p2d@speakeasy.ne t... > Conscience wrote: >> On 2010-02-03 13:46:35 -0800, Grumpy AuContraire >> <GrumpyOne@GrumpyvilleNOT.com> said: >> >>> Simply put, a substantial number of people behind the wheel just don't >>> belong there... >> >> From your mouth, to God's ears. >> >> Ever drive in Arizona? >> > > > > Flaw-duh? Go you youtube and look up "What Old People Do For Fun" -- Ray O (correct punctuation to reply) |
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On 2010-02-03 14:04:46 -0800, News <News@Group.Name> said:
> Conscience wrote: >> On 2010-02-03 13:46:35 -0800, Grumpy AuContraire >> <GrumpyOne@GrumpyvilleNOT.com> said: >> >>> Simply put, a substantial number of people behind the wheel just don't >>> belong there... >> >> From your mouth, to God's ears. >> >> Ever drive in Arizona? >> > > > > Flaw-duh? Yup. I still say Arizona. With Ohio not far behind. |
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"jim beam" <me@privacy.net> wrote in message news:SYadnYVv5qcHDvTWnZ2dnUVZ_sWdnZ2d@speakeasy.ne t... > http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20100203...20100203001517 > > "US chides Toyota over recall" > > this is back-door protectionist political bullshit. > > fact: ford, bmw, and others have all had throttle sensor problems, and in > much greater numbers than toyota. > > fact: the media has all but ignored it. > > here we are, hot on the heels of political dismay at the unconsidered > consequences of their ridiculous "cash for clunkers" program benefiting > manufacturers of fuel efficient cars, not domestic gas guzzlers, being > subjected to politically motivated hysterical xenophobia. > > fact: toyota sells better, more fuel efficient, safer, more reliable > vehicles using american parts and american labor than domestics assembling > their carp from the chinese componentry they import. > > if toyota needs to learn a lesson from this fiasco, it's that they need to > show up in washington and hand over their lobbying cash like detroit does, > not be politically naive and simply rely on selling superior product. > In the local paper a couple days ago, a 79 year old women crashed into a veterinarian's office claiming that the gas pedal on her new Toyota stuck. The dealer found nothing wrong with the car. With that story in the paper were reports of drivers complaining to the local Toyota dealer that they received speeding tickets because of "stuck" pedals. And so it has begun. And yet much more to come. |
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On Wed, 03 Feb 2010 07:17:45 -0800, jim beam wrote:
> http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20100203...20100203001517 > > "US chides Toyota over recall" > > this is back-door protectionist political bullshit. > > fact: ford, bmw, and others have all had throttle sensor problems, and in > much greater numbers than toyota. > > fact: the media has all but ignored it. > > here we are, hot on the heels of political dismay at the unconsidered > consequences of their ridiculous "cash for clunkers" program benefiting > manufacturers of fuel efficient cars, not domestic gas guzzlers, being > subjected to politically motivated hysterical xenophobia. > > fact: toyota sells better, more fuel efficient, safer, more reliable > vehicles using american parts and american labor than domestics assembling > their carp from the chinese componentry they import. > > if toyota needs to learn a lesson from this fiasco, it's that they need to > show up in washington and hand over their lobbying cash like detroit does, > not be politically naive and simply rely on selling superior product. WOW! I AGREE WITH JIM BEAM!!! <thud!> Well said. Add to that the public likes to see the Big Dog take a stumble. If you want some real heartburn, watch how Brian Williams on NBC is going after Toyota...er...full throttle. |
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"tww1491" <twaugh5@cox.net> wrote in
news:Fooan.26826$fu3.6796@newsfe12.iad: > > > "jim beam" <me@privacy.net> wrote in message > news:SYadnYVv5qcHDvTWnZ2dnUVZ_sWdnZ2d@speakeasy.ne t... >> >> if toyota needs to learn a lesson from this fiasco, it's that they >> need to show up in washington and hand over their lobbying cash like >> detroit does, not be politically naive and simply rely on selling >> superior product. >> > > In the local paper a couple days ago, a 79 year old women crashed into > a veterinarian's office claiming that the gas pedal on her new Toyota > stuck. The dealer found nothing wrong with the car. With that story in > the paper were reports of drivers complaining to the local Toyota > dealer that they received speeding tickets because of "stuck" pedals. > And so it has begun. And yet much more to come. > > Keep in mind that there have been exactly twelve (12) confirmed incidents of actual stuck gas pedals on Toyotas since October. Worldwide. Over 2.3 million vehicles. That's 0.00052%, in case anybody's counting. -- Tegger |
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In article <Xns9D14C85F6C360tegger@208.90.168.18>,
Tegger <invalid@invalid.inv> wrote: > "tww1491" <twaugh5@cox.net> wrote in > news:Fooan.26826$fu3.6796@newsfe12.iad: > > > > > > > "jim beam" <me@privacy.net> wrote in message > > news:SYadnYVv5qcHDvTWnZ2dnUVZ_sWdnZ2d@speakeasy.ne t... > > >> > >> if toyota needs to learn a lesson from this fiasco, it's that they > >> need to show up in washington and hand over their lobbying cash like > >> detroit does, not be politically naive and simply rely on selling > >> superior product. > >> > > > > In the local paper a couple days ago, a 79 year old women crashed into > > a veterinarian's office claiming that the gas pedal on her new Toyota > > stuck. The dealer found nothing wrong with the car. With that story in > > the paper were reports of drivers complaining to the local Toyota > > dealer that they received speeding tickets because of "stuck" pedals. > > And so it has begun. And yet much more to come. > > > > > > > > Keep in mind that there have been exactly twelve (12) confirmed incidents > of actual stuck gas pedals on Toyotas since October. Worldwide. Over 2.3 > million vehicles. > > That's 0.00052%, in case anybody's counting. That is well within any reasonable sample of defects for the NASA space program parts!!! THIS has been wildly overblown. BUT....Toyota has been up to the challenge. They will have it fixed. The Toyota vehicles will be better than the space shuttle after all is said and done. -- |
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"Hachiroku ????" <Trueno@e86.GTS> wrote in message news:pan.2010.02.04.00.38.36.169486@e86.GTS... > On Wed, 03 Feb 2010 07:17:45 -0800, jim beam wrote: > >> http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20100203...20100203001517 >> >> "US chides Toyota over recall" >> >> this is back-door protectionist political bullshit. >> >> fact: ford, bmw, and others have all had throttle sensor problems, and in >> much greater numbers than toyota. >> >> fact: the media has all but ignored it. >> >> here we are, hot on the heels of political dismay at the unconsidered >> consequences of their ridiculous "cash for clunkers" program benefiting >> manufacturers of fuel efficient cars, not domestic gas guzzlers, being >> subjected to politically motivated hysterical xenophobia. >> >> fact: toyota sells better, more fuel efficient, safer, more reliable >> vehicles using american parts and american labor than domestics >> assembling >> their carp from the chinese componentry they import. >> >> if toyota needs to learn a lesson from this fiasco, it's that they need >> to >> show up in washington and hand over their lobbying cash like detroit >> does, >> not be politically naive and simply rely on selling superior product. > > WOW! I AGREE WITH JIM BEAM!!! <thud!> > > Well said. Add to that the public likes to see the Big Dog take a stumble. > If you want some real heartburn, watch how Brian Williams on NBC is going > after Toyota...er...full throttle. Wasn't Brian Williams part of the "Exploding Chevy Trucks Fiasco"? Oh, no he wasn't. I remember now, that was Stone(d) Phillips...Too bad.... DaveD > > |
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On Feb 3, 10:17 am, jim beam <m...@privacy.net> wrote:
> http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20100203...autocompanyrec... > > "US chides Toyota over recall" > > this is back-door protectionist political bullshit. > snip but the media loves this crap. weepy victims on the news. remember Audi? the media trotted out driver after driver claiming their cars were the devil after having killed a family member. in the end - all the drivers were at fault for pressing the throttle instead of the brake. I'm sure we'll hear from the idiot Sienna driver who is positive her minivan crashed into another vehicle while she had her foot on the brake. Just like all those Audi drivers from years ago. "This is like deja vu all over again." - Yogi Berra |
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According to todays Tribune Newspapers, the Chairman of the House Oversight
Committee is stating Toyota will be asked about runaways problems with the Tacoma truck. The NHTSA has received over 100 complaints about sudden uncontrolled accelerations problem on the Tacoma, their truck that does NOT use the same pedal assembly as the other recalled Toyotas. The article also refers to Japans Transport Ministry releasing that their have been numerous complaints about "braking problems" with NEW generation Prius. Toyota admits they are addressing braking problems in previous Prius models but they are "unaware" of problems in the NEW generation Prius. The ever growing issue over sudden uncontrolled acceleration in most every type of Toyota vehicle is having a sensitizing effect on consumers around the world and Toyotas confusing responses are not helping the situation. Curious ah? "Tegger" <invalid@invalid.inv> wrote in message news:Xns9D148F020FD93tegger@208.90.168.18... > jim beam <me@privacy.net> wrote in > news:SYadnYVv5qcHDvTWnZ2dnUVZ_sWdnZ2d@speakeasy.ne t: > >> http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20100203...tocompanyrecal >> ltoyota_20100203001517 >> >> "US chides Toyota over recall" >> >> this is back-door protectionist political bullshit. >> >> fact: ford, bmw, and others have all had throttle sensor problems, and >> in much greater numbers than toyota. >> >> fact: the media has all but ignored it. > > > > > Currently Toyota accounts for 41% of all unintended acceleration > incidents. > Ford accounts for 28%. Both Toyota and Ford have about a 16% market share > apiece. > > GM and Chrysler have UA numbers smaller than their market shares. I don't > know the exact number. > > > -- > Tegger > |
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It appears Toyota need someone with computer knowledge, not mechanics, since
models with the FBY system are also presenting, with a SPEEDING up problem, not mealy staying at a set speed, as would indicate a mechanical problem. "Tegger" <invalid@invalid.inv> wrote in message news:Xns9D14942722237tegger@208.90.168.18... > jim beam <me@privacy.net> wrote in > news:SYadnYVv5qcHDvTWnZ2dnUVZ_sWdnZ2d@speakeasy.ne t: > >> http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20100203...tocompanyrecal >> ltoyota_20100203001517 >> >> "US chides Toyota over recall" >> >> this is back-door protectionist political bullshit. >> >> fact: ford, bmw, and others have all had throttle sensor problems, and >> in much greater numbers than toyota. >> >> fact: the media has all but ignored it. > > > > Another take on all this: > http://network.nationalpost.com/np/b...situation.aspx > The author is a private pilot, and has raced motorcycles for > many years. He has some knowledge of machinery. > > > > -- > Tegger > |
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The difference is, if a driver losses control of his car, it is already on
the GROUND LOL "Grumpy AuContraire" <GrumpyOne@GrumpyvilleNOT.com> wrote in message news:xPWdna6j1_8ocPTWnZ2dnUVZ_judnZ2d@giganews.com ... > Tegger wrote: >> jim beam <me@privacy.net> wrote in >> news:SYadnYVv5qcHDvTWnZ2dnUVZ_sWdnZ2d@speakeasy.ne t: >>> http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20100203...tocompanyrecal >>> ltoyota_20100203001517 >>> "US chides Toyota over recall" >>> >>> this is back-door protectionist political bullshit. >>> >>> fact: ford, bmw, and others have all had throttle sensor problems, and >>> in much greater numbers than toyota. >>> >>> fact: the media has all but ignored it. >> >> >> >> Another take on all this: >> http://network.nationalpost.com/np/b...situation.aspx >> The author is a private pilot, and has raced motorcycles for >> many years. He has some knowledge of machinery. > > > Good reference that amplifies the need to educate drivers as to emergency > procedures common to all vehicles. > > As a licensed pilot, a lot of this is incorporated in training. > > As a certified SCUBA diver, a lot of this is incorporated in training. > > I have long advocated that getting a driver's license should encompass > more than parallel parking etc. Everyone behind the wheel should be aware > of automotive basics as well as driving technique. That includes emergency > responses to sudden life threatening events. > > Further, cars have become far too complex for what they are expected to > deliver. Airplanes go through strict regimens of maintenance while cars > don't. Yet both approach each other with regard the degree of operating > complexity. > > Simply put, a substantial number of people behind the wheel just don't > belong there... > > JT |
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The problem we have in this country is that we allow people that do not know
how to drive, to teach others how to drive. As the state with the highest number of bad drivers, Massachusetts wins hands down. ;) "Tony Harding" <tharding@newsguy.com> wrote in message news:hkcsib02o8g@news2.newsguy.com... > On 02/03/10 16:46, Grumpy AuContraire wrote: >> Tegger wrote: >>> jim beam <me@privacy.net> wrote in >>> news:SYadnYVv5qcHDvTWnZ2dnUVZ_sWdnZ2d@speakeasy.ne t: >>>> http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20100203...tocompanyrecal >>>> ltoyota_20100203001517 >>>> "US chides Toyota over recall" >>>> >>>> this is back-door protectionist political bullshit. >>>> >>>> fact: ford, bmw, and others have all had throttle sensor problems, and >>>> in much greater numbers than toyota. >>>> >>>> fact: the media has all but ignored it. >>> >>> >>> >>> Another take on all this: >>> http://network.nationalpost.com/np/b...situation.aspx >>> >>> The author is a private pilot, and has raced motorcycles for >>> many years. He has some knowledge of machinery. >> >> >> Good reference that amplifies the need to educate drivers as to >> emergency procedures common to all vehicles. >> >> As a licensed pilot, a lot of this is incorporated in training. >> >> As a certified SCUBA diver, a lot of this is incorporated in training. >> >> I have long advocated that getting a driver's license should encompass >> more than parallel parking etc. Everyone behind the wheel should be >> aware of automotive basics as well as driving technique. That includes >> emergency responses to sudden life threatening events. >> >> Further, cars have become far too complex for what they are expected to >> deliver. Airplanes go through strict regimens of maintenance while cars >> don't. Yet both approach each other with regard the degree of operating >> complexity. >> >> Simply put, a substantial number of people behind the wheel just don't >> belong there... > > They vote, too. :( |
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Get real, there have been 19 people killed, and an untold number of people
injured driving runaway Toyotas, in the US alone. If I were driving a Toyota today, I would drive with my left foot poised over the brake pedal ;) "Tegger" <invalid@invalid.inv> wrote in message news:Xns9D14C85F6C360tegger@208.90.168.18... > "tww1491" <twaugh5@cox.net> wrote in > news:Fooan.26826$fu3.6796@newsfe12.iad: > >> >> >> "jim beam" <me@privacy.net> wrote in message >> news:SYadnYVv5qcHDvTWnZ2dnUVZ_sWdnZ2d@speakeasy.ne t... > >>> >>> if toyota needs to learn a lesson from this fiasco, it's that they >>> need to show up in washington and hand over their lobbying cash like >>> detroit does, not be politically naive and simply rely on selling >>> superior product. >>> >> >> In the local paper a couple days ago, a 79 year old women crashed into >> a veterinarian's office claiming that the gas pedal on her new Toyota >> stuck. The dealer found nothing wrong with the car. With that story in >> the paper were reports of drivers complaining to the local Toyota >> dealer that they received speeding tickets because of "stuck" pedals. >> And so it has begun. And yet much more to come. >> >> > > > > Keep in mind that there have been exactly twelve (12) confirmed incidents > of actual stuck gas pedals on Toyotas since October. Worldwide. Over 2.3 > million vehicles. > > That's 0.00052%, in case anybody's counting. > > > -- > Tegger > |
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On 2/3/10 7:28 PM, in article geWdnbQpzPojv_fWnZ2dnUVZ_rudnZ2d@giganews.com,
"dbu''" <nospam@nobama.com.invalid> wrote: > In article <Xns9D14C85F6C360tegger@208.90.168.18>, > Tegger <invalid@invalid.inv> wrote: > >> "tww1491" <twaugh5@cox.net> wrote in >> news:Fooan.26826$fu3.6796@newsfe12.iad: >> >>> >>> >>> "jim beam" <me@privacy.net> wrote in message >>> news:SYadnYVv5qcHDvTWnZ2dnUVZ_sWdnZ2d@speakeasy.ne t... >> >>>> >>>> if toyota needs to learn a lesson from this fiasco, it's that they >>>> need to show up in washington and hand over their lobbying cash like >>>> detroit does, not be politically naive and simply rely on selling >>>> superior product. >>>> >>> >>> In the local paper a couple days ago, a 79 year old women crashed into >>> a veterinarian's office claiming that the gas pedal on her new Toyota >>> stuck. The dealer found nothing wrong with the car. With that story in >>> the paper were reports of drivers complaining to the local Toyota >>> dealer that they received speeding tickets because of "stuck" pedals. >>> And so it has begun. And yet much more to come. >>> >>> >> >> >> >> Keep in mind that there have been exactly twelve (12) confirmed incidents >> of actual stuck gas pedals on Toyotas since October. Worldwide. Over 2.3 >> million vehicles. >> >> That's 0.00052%, in case anybody's counting. > > That is well within any reasonable sample of defects for the NASA space > program parts!!! > > THIS has been wildly overblown. BUT....Toyota has been up to the > challenge. They will have it fixed. The Toyota vehicles will be better > than the space shuttle after all is said and done. I remember a month or two after the overturning Ford Explorer fiasco hit the press there was suddenly an epidemic of SUVs of all makes and models flipping over on their sides at every intersection. Before all the publicity, I don't remember ever seeing an overturned SUV. Strange things happen when people start thinking they can cash in. |
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Grumpy AuContraire <GrumpyOne@GrumpyvilleNOT.com> wrote in
news:xPWdna6j1_8ocPTWnZ2dnUVZ_judnZ2d@giganews.com : > > Simply put, a substantial number of people behind the wheel just don't > belong there... > Except that four of the reported five deaths involved a highly-trained policeman. -- Tegger |
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"Mike Hunter" <Mikehunt2@lycos,com> wrote in
news:4b6aef1a$0$22841$ce5e7886@news-radius.ptd.net: > Get real, there have been 19 people killed, and an untold number of > people injured driving runaway Toyotas, in the US alone. > > If I were driving a Toyota today, I would drive with my left foot > poised over the brake pedal ;) You're aware that Ford accounts for 28% of SUA incidents? What are they doing about that? -- Tegger |
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Who told you that, your Toyota dealer ;)
"Tegger" <invalid@invalid.inv> wrote in message news:Xns9D159028CFAEBtegger@208.90.168.18... > "Mike Hunter" <Mikehunt2@lycos,com> wrote in > news:4b6aef1a$0$22841$ce5e7886@news-radius.ptd.net: > >> Get real, there have been 19 people killed, and an untold number of >> people injured driving runaway Toyotas, in the US alone. >> >> If I were driving a Toyota today, I would drive with my left foot >> poised over the brake pedal ;) > > > > You're aware that Ford accounts for 28% of SUA incidents? > > What are they doing about that? > > > -- > Tegger > |
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"Mike Hunter" <Mikehunt2@lycos,com> wrote in news:4b6b4732$0$31477$ce5e7886
@news-radius.ptd.net: > Who told you that, your Toyota dealer ;) The Wall Street Journal. Now answer the question, smiley. -- Tegger |
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"E. Meyer" <e.p.meyer@verizon.net> wrote in
news:C7906C39.17000%e.p.meyer@verizon.net: > On 2/3/10 7:28 PM, in article > geWdnbQpzPojv_fWnZ2dnUVZ_rudnZ2d@giganews.com, "dbu''" > <nospam@nobama.com.invalid> wrote: > >> >> THIS has been wildly overblown. BUT....Toyota has been up to the >> challenge. They will have it fixed. The Toyota vehicles will be >> better than the space shuttle after all is said and done. > > I remember a month or two after the overturning Ford Explorer fiasco > hit the press there was suddenly an epidemic of SUVs of all makes and > models flipping over on their sides at every intersection. Before all > the publicity, I don't remember ever seeing an overturned SUV. > Strange things happen when people start thinking they can cash in. > > Let's look at some facts: - 2,300,000 vehicles operated daily without incident. - Two fatal incidents, five deaths (four of them in one incident). - Twelve actual documented cases of stuck gas pedals. - 0.00052% rate of incidence for stuck gas pedals. - The NHTSA has currently 40 "defect" investigations going on. Three involve Toyota. 37 involve other automakers. - Ford accounts for 28% of all SUA incidents, but not a peep is heard about that. I'm reading the paper this afternoon, and it appears there may be just a tad more to this SUA issue than actual malfunctions... As is well known by now, the Obama administration is very much beholden to trade unions. Obama even admitted in an interview during the election campaign that he owes a lot to the unions and would do whatever they wanted. Well, Toyota just closed a large and unionized plant in California. It seems the UAW is now exercised about that. Plus they're looking for sales for GM and Chrysler, which are now partly union-owned and are losing market share. What better way to get what they want than to nudge the Obamistas into slagging those successful little yellow (non-union) foreigners? You think LaHood is his own man here? Nope. -- Tegger |
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Tegger wrote:
> "E. Meyer" <e.p.meyer@verizon.net> wrote in > news:C7906C39.17000%e.p.meyer@verizon.net: > >> On 2/3/10 7:28 PM, in article >> geWdnbQpzPojv_fWnZ2dnUVZ_rudnZ2d@giganews.com, "dbu''" >> <nospam@nobama.com.invalid> wrote: >> > >>> THIS has been wildly overblown. BUT....Toyota has been up to the >>> challenge. They will have it fixed. The Toyota vehicles will be >>> better than the space shuttle after all is said and done. >> I remember a month or two after the overturning Ford Explorer fiasco >> hit the press there was suddenly an epidemic of SUVs of all makes and >> models flipping over on their sides at every intersection. Before all >> the publicity, I don't remember ever seeing an overturned SUV. >> Strange things happen when people start thinking they can cash in. >> >> > > > Let's look at some facts: > - 2,300,000 vehicles operated daily without incident. > - Two fatal incidents, five deaths (four of them in one incident). > - Twelve actual documented cases of stuck gas pedals. > - 0.00052% rate of incidence for stuck gas pedals. > - The NHTSA has currently 40 "defect" investigations going on. Three > involve Toyota. 37 involve other automakers. > - Ford accounts for 28% of all SUA incidents, but not a peep is heard about > that. > > I'm reading the paper this afternoon, and it appears there may be just a > tad more to this SUA issue than actual malfunctions... > > As is well known by now, the Obama administration is very much beholden to > trade unions. Obama even admitted in an interview during the election > campaign that he owes a lot to the unions and would do whatever they > wanted. > > Well, Toyota just closed a large and unionized plant in California. It > seems the UAW is now exercised about that. Plus they're looking for sales > for GM and Chrysler, which are now partly union-owned and are losing market > share. > > What better way to get what they want than to nudge the Obamistas into > slagging those successful little yellow (non-union) foreigners? You think > LaHood is his own man here? Nope. You're in the wrong country... We need you here! Come on down to TX, get your concealed carry permit and have fun. First trip to the range will be on me... JT |
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Tegger wrote:
> Grumpy AuContraire <GrumpyOne@GrumpyvilleNOT.com> wrote in > news:xPWdna6j1_8ocPTWnZ2dnUVZ_judnZ2d@giganews.com : > > >> Simply put, a substantial number of people behind the wheel just don't >> belong there... >> > > > Except that four of the reported five deaths involved a highly-trained > policeman. Yeah, but we all know that cops are not selected as the best and brightest. OTOH, if they got smacked by the Toyota, nothin's poifect! JT |
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You expect us to believe you read the Journal? ;)
"Tegger" <invalid@invalid.inv> wrote in message news:Xns9D15BC100395Etegger@208.90.168.18... > "Mike Hunter" <Mikehunt2@lycos,com> wrote in > news:4b6b4732$0$31477$ce5e7886 > @news-radius.ptd.net: > >> Who told you that, your Toyota dealer ;) > > > The Wall Street Journal. > > Now answer the question, smiley. > > > -- > Tegger > |
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It's the fault of the Unions? I thought it was the fault of President
Bush ;) "Tegger" <invalid@invalid.inv> wrote in message news:Xns9D15BE8602024tegger@208.90.168.18... > "E. Meyer" <e.p.meyer@verizon.net> wrote in > news:C7906C39.17000%e.p.meyer@verizon.net: > >> On 2/3/10 7:28 PM, in article >> geWdnbQpzPojv_fWnZ2dnUVZ_rudnZ2d@giganews.com, "dbu''" >> <nospam@nobama.com.invalid> wrote: >> > >>> >>> THIS has been wildly overblown. BUT....Toyota has been up to the >>> challenge. They will have it fixed. The Toyota vehicles will be >>> better than the space shuttle after all is said and done. >> >> I remember a month or two after the overturning Ford Explorer fiasco >> hit the press there was suddenly an epidemic of SUVs of all makes and >> models flipping over on their sides at every intersection. Before all >> the publicity, I don't remember ever seeing an overturned SUV. >> Strange things happen when people start thinking they can cash in. >> >> > > > Let's look at some facts: > - 2,300,000 vehicles operated daily without incident. > - Two fatal incidents, five deaths (four of them in one incident). > - Twelve actual documented cases of stuck gas pedals. > - 0.00052% rate of incidence for stuck gas pedals. > - The NHTSA has currently 40 "defect" investigations going on. Three > involve Toyota. 37 involve other automakers. > - Ford accounts for 28% of all SUA incidents, but not a peep is heard > about > that. > > I'm reading the paper this afternoon, and it appears there may be just a > tad more to this SUA issue than actual malfunctions... > > As is well known by now, the Obama administration is very much beholden to > trade unions. Obama even admitted in an interview during the election > campaign that he owes a lot to the unions and would do whatever they > wanted. > > Well, Toyota just closed a large and unionized plant in California. It > seems the UAW is now exercised about that. Plus they're looking for sales > for GM and Chrysler, which are now partly union-owned and are losing > market > share. > > What better way to get what they want than to nudge the Obamistas into > slagging those successful little yellow (non-union) foreigners? You think > LaHood is his own man here? Nope. > > > -- > Tegger > |
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On 02/04/2010 07:51 AM, Mike Hunter wrote:
> According to todays Tribune Newspapers, the Chairman of the House Oversight > Committee is stating Toyota will be asked about runaways problems with the > Tacoma truck. > > The NHTSA has received over 100 complaints about sudden uncontrolled > accelerations problem on the Tacoma, their truck that does NOT use the same > pedal assembly as the other recalled Toyotas. > > The article also refers to Japans Transport Ministry releasing that their > have been numerous complaints about "braking problems" with NEW generation > Prius. Toyota admits they are addressing braking problems in previous > Prius models but they are "unaware" of problems in the NEW generation Prius. > > The ever growing issue over sudden uncontrolled acceleration in most every > type of Toyota vehicle is having a sensitizing effect on consumers around > the world and Toyotas confusing responses are not helping the situation. > Curious ah? dude, at this stage it's mob hysteria. fact is, frod have defects that have killed thousands of americans. but rather than spend money on proper design and execution, they instead show up in d.c. with lobbyists and spend hundreds of millions of dollars making "contributions" to [which is MUCH cheaper b.t.w.] our representatives so they can stay off the political/legal radar screen. toyota, naively, just make great cars under the false impression that they're selling into a meritocracy that plays fair. and they are so wrong. but toyota, inadvertently, are shining the harsh light of reality on the utter debasement of american values with this bullshit from politicians that are prepared to take the dollar and turn a blind eye to manslaughter rather than stand up for the lives and values of citizens that elected them. it's an utter disgrace. > > "Tegger"<invalid@invalid.inv> wrote in message > news:Xns9D148F020FD93tegger@208.90.168.18... >> jim beam<me@privacy.net> wrote in >> news:SYadnYVv5qcHDvTWnZ2dnUVZ_sWdnZ2d@speakeasy.ne t: >> >>> http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20100203...tocompanyrecal >>> ltoyota_20100203001517 >>> >>> "US chides Toyota over recall" >>> >>> this is back-door protectionist political bullshit. >>> >>> fact: ford, bmw, and others have all had throttle sensor problems, and >>> in much greater numbers than toyota. >>> >>> fact: the media has all but ignored it. >> >> >> >> >> Currently Toyota accounts for 41% of all unintended acceleration >> incidents. >> Ford accounts for 28%. Both Toyota and Ford have about a 16% market share >> apiece. >> >> GM and Chrysler have UA numbers smaller than their market shares. I don't >> know the exact number. >> >> >> -- >> Tegger >> > > |
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On 02/04/2010 03:43 PM, Tegger wrote:
> "E. Meyer"<e.p.meyer@verizon.net> wrote in > news:C7906C39.17000%e.p.meyer@verizon.net: > >> On 2/3/10 7:28 PM, in article >> geWdnbQpzPojv_fWnZ2dnUVZ_rudnZ2d@giganews.com, "dbu''" >> <nospam@nobama.com.invalid> wrote: >> > >>> >>> THIS has been wildly overblown. BUT....Toyota has been up to the >>> challenge. They will have it fixed. The Toyota vehicles will be >>> better than the space shuttle after all is said and done. >> >> I remember a month or two after the overturning Ford Explorer fiasco >> hit the press there was suddenly an epidemic of SUVs of all makes and >> models flipping over on their sides at every intersection. Before all >> the publicity, I don't remember ever seeing an overturned SUV. >> Strange things happen when people start thinking they can cash in. >> >> > > > Let's look at some facts: > - 2,300,000 vehicles operated daily without incident. > - Two fatal incidents, five deaths (four of them in one incident). > - Twelve actual documented cases of stuck gas pedals. > - 0.00052% rate of incidence for stuck gas pedals. > - The NHTSA has currently 40 "defect" investigations going on. Three > involve Toyota. 37 involve other automakers. > - Ford accounts for 28% of all SUA incidents, but not a peep is heard about > that. > > I'm reading the paper this afternoon, and it appears there may be just a > tad more to this SUA issue than actual malfunctions... > > As is well known by now, the Obama administration is very much beholden to > trade unions. Obama even admitted in an interview during the election > campaign that he owes a lot to the unions and would do whatever they > wanted. > > Well, Toyota just closed a large and unionized plant in California. It > seems the UAW is now exercised about that. Plus they're looking for sales > for GM and Chrysler, which are now partly union-owned and are losing market > share. > > What better way to get what they want than to nudge the Obamistas into > slagging those successful little yellow (non-union) foreigners? You think > LaHood is his own man here? Nope. > > well said. |
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"E. Meyer" <e.p.meyer@verizon.net> wrote in
news:C7906C39.17000%e.p.meyer@verizon.net: > On 2/3/10 7:28 PM, in article > geWdnbQpzPojv_fWnZ2dnUVZ_rudnZ2d@giganews.com, "dbu''" > <nospam@nobama.com.invalid> wrote: > >> In article <Xns9D14C85F6C360tegger@208.90.168.18>, >> Tegger <invalid@invalid.inv> wrote: >> >>> "tww1491" <twaugh5@cox.net> wrote in >>> news:Fooan.26826$fu3.6796@newsfe12.iad: >>> >>>> >>>> >>>> "jim beam" <me@privacy.net> wrote in message >>>> news:SYadnYVv5qcHDvTWnZ2dnUVZ_sWdnZ2d@speakeasy.ne t... >>> >>>>> >>>>> if toyota needs to learn a lesson from this fiasco, it's that they >>>>> need to show up in washington and hand over their lobbying cash >>>>> like detroit does, not be politically naive and simply rely on >>>>> selling superior product. >>>>> >>>> >>>> In the local paper a couple days ago, a 79 year old women crashed >>>> into a veterinarian's office claiming that the gas pedal on her new >>>> Toyota stuck. The dealer found nothing wrong with the car. With >>>> that story in the paper were reports of drivers complaining to the >>>> local Toyota dealer that they received speeding tickets because of >>>> "stuck" pedals. And so it has begun. And yet much more to come. >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Keep in mind that there have been exactly twelve (12) confirmed >>> incidents of actual stuck gas pedals on Toyotas since October. >>> Worldwide. Over 2.3 million vehicles. >>> >>> That's 0.00052%, in case anybody's counting. >> >> That is well within any reasonable sample of defects for the NASA >> space program parts!!! >> >> THIS has been wildly overblown. BUT....Toyota has been up to the >> challenge. They will have it fixed. The Toyota vehicles will be >> better than the space shuttle after all is said and done. > > I remember a month or two after the overturning Ford Explorer fiasco > hit the press there was suddenly an epidemic of SUVs of all makes and > models flipping over on their sides at every intersection. Before all > the publicity, I don't remember ever seeing an overturned SUV. > Strange things happen when people start thinking they can cash in. > > OTOH,it might be just that the media began NOTICING the SUV rollovers,and reporting nationally on every one that happened,instead of just local reporting. Kinda like reaching critical mass.... ;-) Now,I've been reading that the Obama administration's -reaction- to the Toyota recall may be due to union influence,considering Toyota is NON-union and a "foreign" automaker. (although it's cars have more domestic content than many "American" vehicles,that may be made in Canada or Mexico. On the Prius brake/cruise control problem,considering that car is a hybrid electric(with integral computer control of throttle/braking),I can see software bugs cropping up. Sometimes it takes a while to encounter a SW bug,particularly under unusual conditions. Like what happens if a ROM's data is corrupted;lose a byte here or there,in the wrong place,and you have a potentially hazardous condition waiting to be discovered.There's all sorts of reasons memory data could get corrupted,AFTER the car is shipped and sold. At least aircraft have redundant systems. that's why I'm not so hot on drive-by-wire autos;SW glitches. -- Jim Yanik jyanik at localnet dot com |
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On Feb 3, 10:17 am, jim beam <m...@privacy.net> wrote:
> http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20100203...autocompanyrec... > > "US chides Toyota over recall" > > this is back-door protectionist political bullshit. You mean, like the Japanese version of protectionism that, in 2008, exported over 2 million vechicles to the US, while at the same time, only allowing 12 thousand American nameplates to be imported there?????? Or the type of protectionism that Japan displayed when they had their own "cash for clunkers" program, but excluded the handful of American nameplates that WERE sold there from the program??????? Sounds fair to me, I guess, if I were from Japan. > > fact: ford, bmw, and others have all had throttle sensor problems, and > in much greater numbers than toyota. > > fact: the media has all but ignored it. > Amazing statement. For over three decades, the media has lamblasted American autos for everything from interior light bulbs burning out, to weather stripping dry-rotting after 10 years. They hammered away repeatedly at the "lack of American reliability until many, who did not check things out on their own, began to believe them. Now, the worm is beginning to turn, and there are those who believed what the media said for thirty years, are accusing them of the same things they did against American nameplates. Maybe turn-a-bout IS fair play! > here we are, hot on the heels of political dismay at the unconsidered > consequences of their ridiculous "cash for clunkers" program benefiting > manufacturers of fuel efficient cars, not domestic gas guzzlers, being > subjected to politically motivated hysterical xenophobia. > Kinda funny how it took about 20 MILLION Toyota recalls over the past 3 or 4 years before it became politically motivated, or a "hysterical xeonphobia." Hell , a good chunk of the MILLIONS of recalls happened well before it became "chic' to knock Toyota. The sludging engines, or rusting supensions were known well before the US government began ownership in GM or Chysler, so there was nothing to be gained by the US pressuring Toyota into making recalls. There goes the 'conflict of interest" argument. And BTW, if you believe Toyota has NOT been spending bundles of money lobbying Washington, then YOU are more naive than you claim Toyota is. > fact: toyota sells better, more fuel efficient, safer, more reliable > vehicles using american parts and american labor than domestics > assembling their carp from the chinese componentry they import. > Really, you didn't make a single factual statement at all in this paragrah. Matter of fact, just the opposite of what you stated is actually true. > if toyota needs to learn a lesson from this fiasco, it's that they need > to show up in washington and hand over their lobbying cash like detroit > does, not be politically naive and simply rely on selling superior product. |
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On Feb 3, 7:19 pm, "tww1491" <twau...@cox.net> wrote:
> "jim beam" <m...@privacy.net> wrote in message > > news:SYadnYVv5qcHDvTWnZ2dnUVZ_sWdnZ2d@speakeasy.ne t... > > > > > > >http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20100203...autocompanyrec... > > > "US chides Toyota over recall" > > > this is back-door protectionist political bullshit. > > > fact: ford, bmw, and others have all had throttle sensor problems, and in > > much greater numbers than toyota. > > > fact: the media has all but ignored it. > > > here we are, hot on the heels of political dismay at the unconsidered > > consequences of their ridiculous "cash for clunkers" program benefiting > > manufacturers of fuel efficient cars, not domestic gas guzzlers, being > > subjected to politically motivated hysterical xenophobia. > > > fact: toyota sells better, more fuel efficient, safer, more reliable > > vehicles using american parts and american labor than domestics assembling > > their carp from the chinese componentry they import. > > > if toyota needs to learn a lesson from this fiasco, it's that they needto > > show up in washington and hand over their lobbying cash like detroit does, > > not be politically naive and simply rely on selling superior product. > > In the local paper a couple days ago, a 79 year old women crashed into a > veterinarian's office claiming that the gas pedal on her new Toyota stuck.. > The dealer found nothing wrong with the car. With that story in the paper > were reports of drivers complaining to the local Toyota dealer that they > received speeding tickets because of "stuck" pedals. And so it has begun. > And yet much more to come.- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - That does not mean that Toyota does not have problems with sticking accelerators. Fact#1 Toyota is selling products in which sometimes, the accelerator sticks open, creating a safety hazard. Fact:#2 There are some people who will try to take advantage of the situation for monetary gain. Fact# 3 Fact number 2 does not mean Fact number 1 does not exist. |
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On Feb 4, 3:18 am, "Dave D" <dtdod...@acsalaska.net> wrote:
> "Hachiroku ????" <Tru...@e86.GTS> wrote in message > > news:pan.2010.02.04.00.38.36.169486@e86.GTS... > > > > > > > On Wed, 03 Feb 2010 07:17:45 -0800, jim beam wrote: > > >>http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20100203...autocompanyrec.... > > >> "US chides Toyota over recall" > > >> this is back-door protectionist political bullshit. > > >> fact: ford, bmw, and others have all had throttle sensor problems, andin > >> much greater numbers than toyota. > > >> fact: the media has all but ignored it. > > >> here we are, hot on the heels of political dismay at the unconsidered > >> consequences of their ridiculous "cash for clunkers" program benefiting > >> manufacturers of fuel efficient cars, not domestic gas guzzlers, being > >> subjected to politically motivated hysterical xenophobia. > > >> fact: toyota sells better, more fuel efficient, safer, more reliable > >> vehicles using american parts and american labor than domestics > >> assembling > >> their carp from the chinese componentry they import. > > >> if toyota needs to learn a lesson from this fiasco, it's that they need > >> to > >> show up in washington and hand over their lobbying cash like detroit > >> does, > >> not be politically naive and simply rely on selling superior product. > > > WOW! I AGREE WITH JIM BEAM!!! <thud!> > > > Well said. Add to that the public likes to see the Big Dog take a stumble. > > If you want some real heartburn, watch how Brian Williams on NBC is going > > after Toyota...er...full throttle. > > Wasn't Brian Williams part of the "Exploding Chevy Trucks Fiasco"? Oh, nohe > wasn't. I remember now, that was Stone(d) Phillips...Too bad.... > Almost forgot about the 'staged' event that was made for the sole purpose of hurting GM truck sales. Just another example of the extremes the media would go to in order to slam American nameplates. However, sticking accelerators, sludging engines and rusting suspension parts on Toyotas made over the past 6 or 7 years are very REAL! > DaveD > > > > - Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - |
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On 02/04/2010 08:29 PM, Jim Yanik wrote:
> "E. Meyer"<e.p.meyer@verizon.net> wrote in > news:C7906C39.17000%e.p.meyer@verizon.net: > >> On 2/3/10 7:28 PM, in article >> geWdnbQpzPojv_fWnZ2dnUVZ_rudnZ2d@giganews.com, "dbu''" >> <nospam@nobama.com.invalid> wrote: >> >>> In article<Xns9D14C85F6C360tegger@208.90.168.18>, >>> Tegger<invalid@invalid.inv> wrote: >>> >>>> "tww1491"<twaugh5@cox.net> wrote in >>>> news:Fooan.26826$fu3.6796@newsfe12.iad: >>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> "jim beam"<me@privacy.net> wrote in message >>>>> news:SYadnYVv5qcHDvTWnZ2dnUVZ_sWdnZ2d@speakeasy.ne t... >>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> if toyota needs to learn a lesson from this fiasco, it's that they >>>>>> need to show up in washington and hand over their lobbying cash >>>>>> like detroit does, not be politically naive and simply rely on >>>>>> selling superior product. >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> In the local paper a couple days ago, a 79 year old women crashed >>>>> into a veterinarian's office claiming that the gas pedal on her new >>>>> Toyota stuck. The dealer found nothing wrong with the car. With >>>>> that story in the paper were reports of drivers complaining to the >>>>> local Toyota dealer that they received speeding tickets because of >>>>> "stuck" pedals. And so it has begun. And yet much more to come. >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Keep in mind that there have been exactly twelve (12) confirmed >>>> incidents of actual stuck gas pedals on Toyotas since October. >>>> Worldwide. Over 2.3 million vehicles. >>>> >>>> That's 0.00052%, in case anybody's counting. >>> >>> That is well within any reasonable sample of defects for the NASA >>> space program parts!!! >>> >>> THIS has been wildly overblown. BUT....Toyota has been up to the >>> challenge. They will have it fixed. The Toyota vehicles will be >>> better than the space shuttle after all is said and done. >> >> I remember a month or two after the overturning Ford Explorer fiasco >> hit the press there was suddenly an epidemic of SUVs of all makes and >> models flipping over on their sides at every intersection. Before all >> the publicity, I don't remember ever seeing an overturned SUV. >> Strange things happen when people start thinking they can cash in. >> >> > > OTOH,it might be just that the media began NOTICING the SUV rollovers,and > reporting nationally on every one that happened,instead of just local > reporting. > > Kinda like reaching critical mass.... ;-) > > Now,I've been reading that the Obama administration's -reaction- to the > Toyota recall may be due to union influence,considering Toyota is NON-union > and a "foreign" automaker. (although it's cars have more domestic content > than many "American" vehicles,that may be made in Canada or Mexico. > > On the Prius brake/cruise control problem,considering that car is a hybrid > electric(with integral computer control of throttle/braking),I can see > software bugs cropping up. Sometimes it takes a while to encounter a SW > bug,particularly under unusual conditions. Like what happens if a ROM's > data is corrupted;lose a byte here or there,in the wrong place,and you have > a potentially hazardous condition waiting to be discovered.There's all > sorts of reasons memory data could get corrupted,AFTER the car is shipped > and sold. > At least aircraft have redundant systems. > > > that's why I'm not so hot on drive-by-wire autos;SW glitches. > well, i drove a prius extensively this past summer, and found it to be a smooth, finely engineered vehicle - no glitches, flaws, or mistakes in performance anywhere. responsive too. wouldn't hesitate to recommend one for driveability. i also drove a chevy hhr, and if there is an example of "fly-by-wire" done wrong, the hhr is it - what a piece of crap. whoever decided a vehicle needs a 3-second delay on mid-throttle response needs a good kicking in the gonads. |
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