Re: question about hondas navi
 

Chris Mattingly wrote:
>
> $189 + tax & shipping (from
> https://store.alpine-usa.com/Hondadv.../naviorder.php). Hmmm... it
> says there's a 30day return policy. Interesting... :)

Better price and I can read your mind (GMTA) but forget it. I think
you'll find that like Garmin's maps the data is unlocked by GPS unit
serial number. They've got the copy protection down pat. Hell, when
the new DVD's are issued they send them to their users for FREE. You
don't get unlocked until you pay the license fee which, as I mentioned
earlier, has gotten VERY reasonable. They just reduced it last year to
$75. Think it was either $130 or $150. Decent company with a great
product and they aren't out to screw over their customer base.

>
> Just tonight, though, we saw the most inaccurate mapping from the
> Honda's navi system... for as reliable as it has been around here, it
> was a real bummer.

Happens with the best of them. My Garmin's generally spot on but every
once in awhile she'll get thrown for a loop. Biggest problem seems to
be homing in on some restaurants or venues that you find by name and
city and then tell her to take you to. If it happens to be situated at
a shopping mall (and generally not in an outlot location) she'll go nuts
trying to find it since she doesn't know that it's _IN_ the mall.

Still, like my AMEX, I'd never leave home without it.

Re: question about hondas navi
 

Chris Mattingly wrote:
>
> $189 + tax & shipping (from
> https://store.alpine-usa.com/Hondadv.../naviorder.php). Hmmm... it
> says there's a 30day return policy. Interesting... :)

Better price and I can read your mind (GMTA) but forget it. I think
you'll find that like Garmin's maps the data is unlocked by GPS unit
serial number. They've got the copy protection down pat. Hell, when
the new DVD's are issued they send them to their users for FREE. You
don't get unlocked until you pay the license fee which, as I mentioned
earlier, has gotten VERY reasonable. They just reduced it last year to
$75. Think it was either $130 or $150. Decent company with a great
product and they aren't out to screw over their customer base.

>
> Just tonight, though, we saw the most inaccurate mapping from the
> Honda's navi system... for as reliable as it has been around here, it
> was a real bummer.

Happens with the best of them. My Garmin's generally spot on but every
once in awhile she'll get thrown for a loop. Biggest problem seems to
be homing in on some restaurants or venues that you find by name and
city and then tell her to take you to. If it happens to be situated at
a shopping mall (and generally not in an outlot location) she'll go nuts
trying to find it since she doesn't know that it's _IN_ the mall.

Still, like my AMEX, I'd never leave home without it.

Re: question about hondas navi
 

Chris Mattingly wrote:
>
> $189 + tax & shipping (from
> https://store.alpine-usa.com/Hondadv.../naviorder.php). Hmmm... it
> says there's a 30day return policy. Interesting... :)

Better price and I can read your mind (GMTA) but forget it. I think
you'll find that like Garmin's maps the data is unlocked by GPS unit
serial number. They've got the copy protection down pat. Hell, when
the new DVD's are issued they send them to their users for FREE. You
don't get unlocked until you pay the license fee which, as I mentioned
earlier, has gotten VERY reasonable. They just reduced it last year to
$75. Think it was either $130 or $150. Decent company with a great
product and they aren't out to screw over their customer base.

>
> Just tonight, though, we saw the most inaccurate mapping from the
> Honda's navi system... for as reliable as it has been around here, it
> was a real bummer.

Happens with the best of them. My Garmin's generally spot on but every
once in awhile she'll get thrown for a loop. Biggest problem seems to
be homing in on some restaurants or venues that you find by name and
city and then tell her to take you to. If it happens to be situated at
a shopping mall (and generally not in an outlot location) she'll go nuts
trying to find it since she doesn't know that it's _IN_ the mall.

Still, like my AMEX, I'd never leave home without it.

Re: question about hondas navi
 

On Sat, 13 Jan 2007 04:03:56 +0000, Unquestionably Confused wrote:

> Chris Mattingly wrote:
>>
>> $189 + tax & shipping (from
>> https://store.alpine-usa.com/Hondadv.../naviorder.php). Hmmm... it
>> says there's a 30day return policy. Interesting... :)
>
> Better price and I can read your mind (GMTA) but forget it. I think
> you'll find that like Garmin's maps the data is unlocked by GPS unit
> serial number. They've got the copy protection down pat. Hell, when
> the new DVD's are issued they send them to their users for FREE. You
> don't get unlocked until you pay the license fee which, as I mentioned
> earlier, has gotten VERY reasonable. They just reduced it last year to
> $75. Think it was either $130 or $150. Decent company with a great
> product and they aren't out to screw over their customer base.
>

Yep. And a Garmin c320 is available for around $250 if you look hard
enough. Add a 1GB SD Card ($15) and you can load the entire US & Canada.
And it is an extremely accurate map system. I have driven in tiny little
towns in NY and PA, and the Garmin knew of streets that I never would have
called streets. Barely alleys.

Re: question about hondas navi
 

On Sat, 13 Jan 2007 04:03:56 +0000, Unquestionably Confused wrote:

> Chris Mattingly wrote:
>>
>> $189 + tax & shipping (from
>> https://store.alpine-usa.com/Hondadv.../naviorder.php). Hmmm... it
>> says there's a 30day return policy. Interesting... :)
>
> Better price and I can read your mind (GMTA) but forget it. I think
> you'll find that like Garmin's maps the data is unlocked by GPS unit
> serial number. They've got the copy protection down pat. Hell, when
> the new DVD's are issued they send them to their users for FREE. You
> don't get unlocked until you pay the license fee which, as I mentioned
> earlier, has gotten VERY reasonable. They just reduced it last year to
> $75. Think it was either $130 or $150. Decent company with a great
> product and they aren't out to screw over their customer base.
>

Yep. And a Garmin c320 is available for around $250 if you look hard
enough. Add a 1GB SD Card ($15) and you can load the entire US & Canada.
And it is an extremely accurate map system. I have driven in tiny little
towns in NY and PA, and the Garmin knew of streets that I never would have
called streets. Barely alleys.

Re: question about hondas navi
 

On Sat, 13 Jan 2007 04:03:56 +0000, Unquestionably Confused wrote:

> Chris Mattingly wrote:
>>
>> $189 + tax & shipping (from
>> https://store.alpine-usa.com/Hondadv.../naviorder.php). Hmmm... it
>> says there's a 30day return policy. Interesting... :)
>
> Better price and I can read your mind (GMTA) but forget it. I think
> you'll find that like Garmin's maps the data is unlocked by GPS unit
> serial number. They've got the copy protection down pat. Hell, when
> the new DVD's are issued they send them to their users for FREE. You
> don't get unlocked until you pay the license fee which, as I mentioned
> earlier, has gotten VERY reasonable. They just reduced it last year to
> $75. Think it was either $130 or $150. Decent company with a great
> product and they aren't out to screw over their customer base.
>

Yep. And a Garmin c320 is available for around $250 if you look hard
enough. Add a 1GB SD Card ($15) and you can load the entire US & Canada.
And it is an extremely accurate map system. I have driven in tiny little
towns in NY and PA, and the Garmin knew of streets that I never would have
called streets. Barely alleys.

Re: question about hondas navi
 

On Sat, 13 Jan 2007 04:03:56 +0000, Unquestionably Confused wrote:

> Chris Mattingly wrote:
>>
>> $189 + tax & shipping (from
>> https://store.alpine-usa.com/Hondadv.../naviorder.php). Hmmm... it
>> says there's a 30day return policy. Interesting... :)
>
> Better price and I can read your mind (GMTA) but forget it. I think
> you'll find that like Garmin's maps the data is unlocked by GPS unit
> serial number. They've got the copy protection down pat. Hell, when
> the new DVD's are issued they send them to their users for FREE. You
> don't get unlocked until you pay the license fee which, as I mentioned
> earlier, has gotten VERY reasonable. They just reduced it last year to
> $75. Think it was either $130 or $150. Decent company with a great
> product and they aren't out to screw over their customer base.
>

Yep. And a Garmin c320 is available for around $250 if you look hard
enough. Add a 1GB SD Card ($15) and you can load the entire US & Canada.
And it is an extremely accurate map system. I have driven in tiny little
towns in NY and PA, and the Garmin knew of streets that I never would have
called streets. Barely alleys.

Re: question about hondas navi
 

Unquestionably Confused wrote:
> G-Man wrote:
>> I have a 2006 Accord NAV, and I a 2005 Pilot non-Nav. I got a
>> Garmin 360 Nuvi, and I swear it is more useful than the onboard NAV.
>> Cost about $600 compared to the thousands to get the NAV in the
>> accord. But I will say the other features in the NAV electronics
>> are nice. I love the display.
>
> I also use the Garmin units in my cars. Have semi-permanently mounted
> (w/external antenna) a 2610 in the dash bin beneath the heater/radio
> console and it works fine.
>
> I don't know that it's MORE useful than the built-in as I don't have
> one to compare it to. It does, however, do everything I could want
> it to and does it well.
>
> I, too, thought the update DVD's for the built in NAV systems were in
> the $300 range. Another fine deal from Garmin $75/year for their DVD
> which allows you to update TWO, not one but TWO, GPS units.

Updates, last I looked, were about $180 from Alpine.

Re: question about hondas navi
 

Unquestionably Confused wrote:
> G-Man wrote:
>> I have a 2006 Accord NAV, and I a 2005 Pilot non-Nav. I got a
>> Garmin 360 Nuvi, and I swear it is more useful than the onboard NAV.
>> Cost about $600 compared to the thousands to get the NAV in the
>> accord. But I will say the other features in the NAV electronics
>> are nice. I love the display.
>
> I also use the Garmin units in my cars. Have semi-permanently mounted
> (w/external antenna) a 2610 in the dash bin beneath the heater/radio
> console and it works fine.
>
> I don't know that it's MORE useful than the built-in as I don't have
> one to compare it to. It does, however, do everything I could want
> it to and does it well.
>
> I, too, thought the update DVD's for the built in NAV systems were in
> the $300 range. Another fine deal from Garmin $75/year for their DVD
> which allows you to update TWO, not one but TWO, GPS units.

Updates, last I looked, were about $180 from Alpine.

Re: question about hondas navi
 

Unquestionably Confused wrote:
> G-Man wrote:
>> I have a 2006 Accord NAV, and I a 2005 Pilot non-Nav. I got a
>> Garmin 360 Nuvi, and I swear it is more useful than the onboard NAV.
>> Cost about $600 compared to the thousands to get the NAV in the
>> accord. But I will say the other features in the NAV electronics
>> are nice. I love the display.
>
> I also use the Garmin units in my cars. Have semi-permanently mounted
> (w/external antenna) a 2610 in the dash bin beneath the heater/radio
> console and it works fine.
>
> I don't know that it's MORE useful than the built-in as I don't have
> one to compare it to. It does, however, do everything I could want
> it to and does it well.
>
> I, too, thought the update DVD's for the built in NAV systems were in
> the $300 range. Another fine deal from Garmin $75/year for their DVD
> which allows you to update TWO, not one but TWO, GPS units.

Updates, last I looked, were about $180 from Alpine.

Re: question about hondas navi
 

Unquestionably Confused wrote:
> G-Man wrote:
>> I have a 2006 Accord NAV, and I a 2005 Pilot non-Nav. I got a
>> Garmin 360 Nuvi, and I swear it is more useful than the onboard NAV.
>> Cost about $600 compared to the thousands to get the NAV in the
>> accord. But I will say the other features in the NAV electronics
>> are nice. I love the display.
>
> I also use the Garmin units in my cars. Have semi-permanently mounted
> (w/external antenna) a 2610 in the dash bin beneath the heater/radio
> console and it works fine.
>
> I don't know that it's MORE useful than the built-in as I don't have
> one to compare it to. It does, however, do everything I could want
> it to and does it well.
>
> I, too, thought the update DVD's for the built in NAV systems were in
> the $300 range. Another fine deal from Garmin $75/year for their DVD
> which allows you to update TWO, not one but TWO, GPS units.

Updates, last I looked, were about $180 from Alpine.

Re: question about hondas navi
 

Unquestionably Confused wrote:
> Chris Mattingly wrote:
>>
>> $189 + tax & shipping (from
>> https://store.alpine-usa.com/Hondadv.../naviorder.php). Hmmm... it
>> says there's a 30day return policy. Interesting... :)
>
> Better price and I can read your mind (GMTA) but forget it. I think
> you'll find that like Garmin's maps the data is unlocked by GPS unit
> serial number. They've got the copy protection down pat. Hell, when
> the new DVD's are issued they send them to their users for FREE. You
> don't get unlocked until you pay the license fee which, as I mentioned
> earlier, has gotten VERY reasonable. They just reduced it last year to
> $75. Think it was either $130 or $150. Decent company with a great
> product and they aren't out to screw over their customer base.

Ah, didn't even dawn on me about unlocking issues. Better to be honest
anyways, right? :)


>> Just tonight, though, we saw the most inaccurate mapping from the
>> Honda's navi system... for as reliable as it has been around here, it
>> was a real bummer.
>
> Happens with the best of them. My Garmin's generally spot on but every
> once in awhile she'll get thrown for a loop. Biggest problem seems to
> be homing in on some restaurants or venues that you find by name and
> city and then tell her to take you to. If it happens to be situated at
> a shopping mall (and generally not in an outlot location) she'll go nuts
> trying to find it since she doesn't know that it's _IN_ the mall.
>
> Still, like my AMEX, I'd never leave home without it.

Even after it sent us for a loop, I feel the same way. A mistake from
the navi isn't going to make me like it any less.

-Chris

Re: question about hondas navi
 

Unquestionably Confused wrote:
> Chris Mattingly wrote:
>>
>> $189 + tax & shipping (from
>> https://store.alpine-usa.com/Hondadv.../naviorder.php). Hmmm... it
>> says there's a 30day return policy. Interesting... :)
>
> Better price and I can read your mind (GMTA) but forget it. I think
> you'll find that like Garmin's maps the data is unlocked by GPS unit
> serial number. They've got the copy protection down pat. Hell, when
> the new DVD's are issued they send them to their users for FREE. You
> don't get unlocked until you pay the license fee which, as I mentioned
> earlier, has gotten VERY reasonable. They just reduced it last year to
> $75. Think it was either $130 or $150. Decent company with a great
> product and they aren't out to screw over their customer base.

Ah, didn't even dawn on me about unlocking issues. Better to be honest
anyways, right? :)


>> Just tonight, though, we saw the most inaccurate mapping from the
>> Honda's navi system... for as reliable as it has been around here, it
>> was a real bummer.
>
> Happens with the best of them. My Garmin's generally spot on but every
> once in awhile she'll get thrown for a loop. Biggest problem seems to
> be homing in on some restaurants or venues that you find by name and
> city and then tell her to take you to. If it happens to be situated at
> a shopping mall (and generally not in an outlot location) she'll go nuts
> trying to find it since she doesn't know that it's _IN_ the mall.
>
> Still, like my AMEX, I'd never leave home without it.

Even after it sent us for a loop, I feel the same way. A mistake from
the navi isn't going to make me like it any less.

-Chris

Re: question about hondas navi
 

Unquestionably Confused wrote:
> Chris Mattingly wrote:
>>
>> $189 + tax & shipping (from
>> https://store.alpine-usa.com/Hondadv.../naviorder.php). Hmmm... it
>> says there's a 30day return policy. Interesting... :)
>
> Better price and I can read your mind (GMTA) but forget it. I think
> you'll find that like Garmin's maps the data is unlocked by GPS unit
> serial number. They've got the copy protection down pat. Hell, when
> the new DVD's are issued they send them to their users for FREE. You
> don't get unlocked until you pay the license fee which, as I mentioned
> earlier, has gotten VERY reasonable. They just reduced it last year to
> $75. Think it was either $130 or $150. Decent company with a great
> product and they aren't out to screw over their customer base.

Ah, didn't even dawn on me about unlocking issues. Better to be honest
anyways, right? :)


>> Just tonight, though, we saw the most inaccurate mapping from the
>> Honda's navi system... for as reliable as it has been around here, it
>> was a real bummer.
>
> Happens with the best of them. My Garmin's generally spot on but every
> once in awhile she'll get thrown for a loop. Biggest problem seems to
> be homing in on some restaurants or venues that you find by name and
> city and then tell her to take you to. If it happens to be situated at
> a shopping mall (and generally not in an outlot location) she'll go nuts
> trying to find it since she doesn't know that it's _IN_ the mall.
>
> Still, like my AMEX, I'd never leave home without it.

Even after it sent us for a loop, I feel the same way. A mistake from
the navi isn't going to make me like it any less.

-Chris

Re: question about hondas navi
 

Unquestionably Confused wrote:
> Chris Mattingly wrote:
>>
>> $189 + tax & shipping (from
>> https://store.alpine-usa.com/Hondadv.../naviorder.php). Hmmm... it
>> says there's a 30day return policy. Interesting... :)
>
> Better price and I can read your mind (GMTA) but forget it. I think
> you'll find that like Garmin's maps the data is unlocked by GPS unit
> serial number. They've got the copy protection down pat. Hell, when
> the new DVD's are issued they send them to their users for FREE. You
> don't get unlocked until you pay the license fee which, as I mentioned
> earlier, has gotten VERY reasonable. They just reduced it last year to
> $75. Think it was either $130 or $150. Decent company with a great
> product and they aren't out to screw over their customer base.

Ah, didn't even dawn on me about unlocking issues. Better to be honest
anyways, right? :)


>> Just tonight, though, we saw the most inaccurate mapping from the
>> Honda's navi system... for as reliable as it has been around here, it
>> was a real bummer.
>
> Happens with the best of them. My Garmin's generally spot on but every
> once in awhile she'll get thrown for a loop. Biggest problem seems to
> be homing in on some restaurants or venues that you find by name and
> city and then tell her to take you to. If it happens to be situated at
> a shopping mall (and generally not in an outlot location) she'll go nuts
> trying to find it since she doesn't know that it's _IN_ the mall.
>
> Still, like my AMEX, I'd never leave home without it.

Even after it sent us for a loop, I feel the same way. A mistake from
the navi isn't going to make me like it any less.

-Chris