jim beam

Michael Pardee wrote:
> "Hachiroku ????" <Trueno@AE86.gts> wrote in message
> news:Uy6Wh.18$bZ2.6@trndny01...
>> On Fri, 20 Apr 2007 09:07:26 -0700, wenmang@yahoo.com wrote:
>>
>>> Thanks everyone. I guess that I don't need wheel locks anymore if they
>>> cannot effectively protect my car.
>> OK, but I'm getting a set for my Scion and a set for my Supra.
>> It WILL slow them down and they don't want to be slowed down.
>>
>
> If they have the socket and hammer, it won't add five seconds to the time...
> maybe two or three seconds per wheel. It's quicker than driving a nail
> because the nail might bend ;-) All the lug nuts can still be off by the
> time the thieves get the wheel raised.
>
> It will deter opportunists, just not people looking for wheels.
>
> Mike

indeed.

Hachiroku $B%O%A%m%/(B

On Fri, 20 Apr 2007 19:55:57 -0700, jim beam wrote:

> Michael Pardee wrote:
>> "Hachiroku ????" <Trueno@AE86.gts> wrote in message
>> news:Uy6Wh.18$bZ2.6@trndny01...
>>> On Fri, 20 Apr 2007 09:07:26 -0700, wenmang@yahoo.com wrote:
>>>
>>>> Thanks everyone. I guess that I don't need wheel locks anymore if they
>>>> cannot effectively protect my car.
>>> OK, but I'm getting a set for my Scion and a set for my Supra. It WILL
>>> slow them down and they don't want to be slowed down.
>>>
>>>
>> If they have the socket and hammer, it won't add five seconds to the
>> time... maybe two or three seconds per wheel. It's quicker than driving
>> a nail because the nail might bend ;-) All the lug nuts can still be
>> off by the time the thieves get the wheel raised.
>>
>> It will deter opportunists, just not people looking for wheels.
>>
>> Mike
>
> indeed.


And, if they jam the socket on the first wheel lock, and can't get it off?

jim beam

Hachiroku $B%O%A%m%/ wrote:
> On Fri, 20 Apr 2007 19:55:57 -0700, jim beam wrote:
>
>> Michael Pardee wrote:
>>> "Hachiroku ????" <Trueno@AE86.gts> wrote in message
>>> news:Uy6Wh.18$bZ2.6@trndny01...
>>>> On Fri, 20 Apr 2007 09:07:26 -0700, wenmang@yahoo.com wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Thanks everyone. I guess that I don't need wheel locks anymore if they
>>>>> cannot effectively protect my car.
>>>> OK, but I'm getting a set for my Scion and a set for my Supra. It WILL
>>>> slow them down and they don't want to be slowed down.
>>>>
>>>>
>>> If they have the socket and hammer, it won't add five seconds to the
>>> time... maybe two or three seconds per wheel. It's quicker than driving
>>> a nail because the nail might bend ;-) All the lug nuts can still be
>>> off by the time the thieves get the wheel raised.
>>>
>>> It will deter opportunists, just not people looking for wheels.
>>>
>>> Mike
>> indeed.
>
>
> And, if they jam the socket on the first wheel lock, and can't get it off?
>
>
what makes you think that it's hard to carry 4 sockets that cost say $5
each when you want to steal a set of $1,000 wheels? you simply carry
the tools for the job. better yet, carry /one/ socket of the type i
identified earlier.

bottom line, you don't seem to get it - if someone wants to steal your
stuff, they will. you don't need to understand how or why, simply that
they will. it's a matter of recognizing this reality and attempting
avoidance, not clutching at straws about whether someone is going to
flummoxed by trivia.

Hachiroku $B%O%A%m%/(B

On Sat, 21 Apr 2007 10:02:03 -0700, jim beam wrote:

> bottom line, you don't seem to get it - if someone wants to steal your
> stuff, they will. you don't need to understand how or why, simply that
> they will. it's a matter of recognizing this reality and attempting
> avoidance, not clutching at straws about whether someone is going to
> flummoxed by trivia.


Don't seem to get it? I had the same car stolen once and broken into again
a week after I got it put back together! Yes, I know if someone really
wants something, NOTHING is going to deter them. They even managed to
break in the second time without setting the alarm off. I am guessing they
knew what they were doing and went for it. However, the second time all
they managed to make off with was the stereo from the dash. With the Club,
the wheel locks, etc it was too difficult for them to bother with anything
else. (and talk about *****! It was 1 in the afternoon on the 4th of July!)

No, if someone is determined, there going to get what they want. But if
you have a car loaded with a lot of anti-theft gear, more often than not
they're going to look elsewhere.

I'm willing to take that bet.


Of course, there is one deterrent that will GUARANTEE they will never
bother you again! A full clip! BLAM, BLAM, BLAM, BLAM, BLAM, BLAM, BLAM!

Hachiroku $B%O%A%m%/(B

On Sat, 21 Apr 2007 10:02:03 -0700, jim beam wrote:

> bottom line, you don't seem to get it - if someone wants to steal your
> stuff, they will. you don't need to understand how or why, simply that
> they will. it's a matter of recognizing this reality and attempting
> avoidance, not clutching at straws about whether someone is going to
> flummoxed by trivia.


Don't seem to get it? I had the same car stolen once and broken into again
a week after I got it put back together! Yes, I know if someone really
wants something, NOTHING is going to deter them. They even managed to
break in the second time without setting the alarm off. I am guessing they
knew what they were doing and went for it. However, the second time all
they managed to make off with was the stereo from the dash. With the Club,
the wheel locks, etc it was too difficult for them to bother with anything
else. (and talk about *****! It was 1 in the afternoon on the 4th of July!)

No, if someone is determined, there going to get what they want. But if
you have a car loaded with a lot of anti-theft gear, more often than not
they're going to look elsewhere.

I'm willing to take that bet.


Of course, there is one deterrent that will GUARANTEE they will never
bother you again! A full clip! BLAM, BLAM, BLAM, BLAM, BLAM, BLAM, BLAM!

isquat@gmail.com

On Apr 19, 8:58 am, "wenm...@yahoo.com" <wenm...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Hi,
> I have a stupid question, I have no idea how wheel lock works. I saw
> wheel locks sold online pretty cheap. I am wondering how to unlock
> them before I buy them. Do you need special tool to unlock the wheel
> locks? Does it come with wheel locks if you purchase them? thx

it works like this: you bring your car for a tire change and leave
with the shop
but do not leave the wrench with them.
the mechanic get pissed and your car does not get worked on
OR
they use a power tool to rip the lock off (and the wheel stud alog
with it)
and you get pissed.

in short if anyone wants your $500 shiny rims they will get them
wheel locks or not.

just speculating as i never had any of that on my cars

isquat@gmail.com

On Apr 19, 8:58 am, "wenm...@yahoo.com" <wenm...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Hi,
> I have a stupid question, I have no idea how wheel lock works. I saw
> wheel locks sold online pretty cheap. I am wondering how to unlock
> them before I buy them. Do you need special tool to unlock the wheel
> locks? Does it come with wheel locks if you purchase them? thx

it works like this: you bring your car for a tire change and leave
with the shop
but do not leave the wrench with them.
the mechanic get pissed and your car does not get worked on
OR
they use a power tool to rip the lock off (and the wheel stud alog
with it)
and you get pissed.

in short if anyone wants your $500 shiny rims they will get them
wheel locks or not.

just speculating as i never had any of that on my cars

isquat@gmail.com

On Apr 22, 7:18 am, Hachiroku 繝上メ繝繧ｯ <Tru...@AE86.gts> wrote:
> On Sat, 21 Apr 2007 10:02:03 -0700, jim beam wrote:
> > bottom line, you don't seem to get it - if someone wants to steal your
> > stuff, they will. you don't need to understand how or why, simply that
> > they will. it's a matter of recognizing this reality and attempting
> > avoidance, not clutching at straws about whether someone is going to
> > flummoxed by trivia.
>
> Don't seem to get it? I had the same car stolen once and broken into again
> a week after I got it put back together! Yes, I know if someone really
> wants something, NOTHING is going to deter them. They even managed to
> break in the second time without setting the alarm off. I am guessing they
> knew what they were doing and went for it. However, the second time all
> they managed to make off with was the stereo from the dash. With the Club,
> the wheel locks, etc it was too difficult for them to bother with anything
> else. (and talk about *****! It was 1 in the afternoon on the 4th of July!)
>
> No, if someone is determined, there going to get what they want. But if
> you have a car loaded with a lot of anti-theft gear, more often than not
> they're going to look elsewhere.
>
> I'm willing to take that bet.
>
> Of course, there is one deterrent that will GUARANTEE they will never
> bother you again! A full clip! BLAM, BLAM, BLAM, BLAM, BLAM, BLAM, BLAM!

.... and then you'd get raped by the state in court if they catch you.
you may want to reread "own a gun and stay of of jail"
(if you want to stay out of jail that is)
page 114 defending property:
no deadly force to protect personal property

of course if you are in desolate area you may get away with it
but would you feel well living with a knowledge that you
shot some who only wanted to steal your fancy rims
and worrying if you disposed of the body properly or not?

isquat@gmail.com

On Apr 22, 7:18 am, Hachiroku 繝上メ繝繧ｯ <Tru...@AE86.gts> wrote:
> On Sat, 21 Apr 2007 10:02:03 -0700, jim beam wrote:
> > bottom line, you don't seem to get it - if someone wants to steal your
> > stuff, they will. you don't need to understand how or why, simply that
> > they will. it's a matter of recognizing this reality and attempting
> > avoidance, not clutching at straws about whether someone is going to
> > flummoxed by trivia.
>
> Don't seem to get it? I had the same car stolen once and broken into again
> a week after I got it put back together! Yes, I know if someone really
> wants something, NOTHING is going to deter them. They even managed to
> break in the second time without setting the alarm off. I am guessing they
> knew what they were doing and went for it. However, the second time all
> they managed to make off with was the stereo from the dash. With the Club,
> the wheel locks, etc it was too difficult for them to bother with anything
> else. (and talk about *****! It was 1 in the afternoon on the 4th of July!)
>
> No, if someone is determined, there going to get what they want. But if
> you have a car loaded with a lot of anti-theft gear, more often than not
> they're going to look elsewhere.
>
> I'm willing to take that bet.
>
> Of course, there is one deterrent that will GUARANTEE they will never
> bother you again! A full clip! BLAM, BLAM, BLAM, BLAM, BLAM, BLAM, BLAM!

.... and then you'd get raped by the state in court if they catch you.
you may want to reread "own a gun and stay of of jail"
(if you want to stay out of jail that is)
page 114 defending property:
no deadly force to protect personal property

of course if you are in desolate area you may get away with it
but would you feel well living with a knowledge that you
shot some who only wanted to steal your fancy rims
and worrying if you disposed of the body properly or not?

Hachiroku $B%O%A%m%/(B

On Sun, 22 Apr 2007 10:25:15 -0700, isquat wrote:

> On Apr 22, 7:18 am, Hachiroku 繝上メ繝繧ｯ <Tru...@AE86.gts> wrote:
>> On Sat, 21 Apr 2007 10:02:03 -0700, jim beam wrote:
>> > bottom line, you don't seem to get it - if someone wants to steal your
>> > stuff, they will. you don't need to understand how or why, simply
>> > that they will. it's a matter of recognizing this reality and
>> > attempting avoidance, not clutching at straws about whether someone is
>> > going to flummoxed by trivia.
>>
>> Don't seem to get it? I had the same car stolen once and broken into
>> again a week after I got it put back together! Yes, I know if someone
>> really wants something, NOTHING is going to deter them. They even
>> managed to break in the second time without setting the alarm off. I am
>> guessing they knew what they were doing and went for it. However, the
>> second time all they managed to make off with was the stereo from the
>> dash. With the Club, the wheel locks, etc it was too difficult for them
>> to bother with anything else. (and talk about *****! It was 1 in the
>> afternoon on the 4th of July!)
>>
>> No, if someone is determined, there going to get what they want. But if
>> you have a car loaded with a lot of anti-theft gear, more often than not
>> they're going to look elsewhere.
>>
>> I'm willing to take that bet.
>>
>> Of course, there is one deterrent that will GUARANTEE they will never
>> bother you again! A full clip! BLAM, BLAM, BLAM, BLAM, BLAM, BLAM, BLAM!
>
> ... and then you'd get raped by the state in court if they catch you. you
> may want to reread "own a gun and stay of of jail" (if you want to stay
> out of jail that is) page 114 defending property:
> no deadly force to protect personal property
>
> of course if you are in desolate area you may get away with it but would
> you feel well living with a knowledge that you shot some who only
> wanted to steal your fancy rims and worrying if you disposed of the body
> properly or not?


I don't think anybody would think too much. At the time I was living in
one of the most crime ridden areas of Mass. Another drug user off the
street...eh...

Maybe the rest would have learned...but I doubt it.

Hachiroku $B%O%A%m%/(B

On Sun, 22 Apr 2007 10:25:15 -0700, isquat wrote:

> On Apr 22, 7:18 am, Hachiroku 繝上メ繝繧ｯ <Tru...@AE86.gts> wrote:
>> On Sat, 21 Apr 2007 10:02:03 -0700, jim beam wrote:
>> > bottom line, you don't seem to get it - if someone wants to steal your
>> > stuff, they will. you don't need to understand how or why, simply
>> > that they will. it's a matter of recognizing this reality and
>> > attempting avoidance, not clutching at straws about whether someone is
>> > going to flummoxed by trivia.
>>
>> Don't seem to get it? I had the same car stolen once and broken into
>> again a week after I got it put back together! Yes, I know if someone
>> really wants something, NOTHING is going to deter them. They even
>> managed to break in the second time without setting the alarm off. I am
>> guessing they knew what they were doing and went for it. However, the
>> second time all they managed to make off with was the stereo from the
>> dash. With the Club, the wheel locks, etc it was too difficult for them
>> to bother with anything else. (and talk about *****! It was 1 in the
>> afternoon on the 4th of July!)
>>
>> No, if someone is determined, there going to get what they want. But if
>> you have a car loaded with a lot of anti-theft gear, more often than not
>> they're going to look elsewhere.
>>
>> I'm willing to take that bet.
>>
>> Of course, there is one deterrent that will GUARANTEE they will never
>> bother you again! A full clip! BLAM, BLAM, BLAM, BLAM, BLAM, BLAM, BLAM!
>
> ... and then you'd get raped by the state in court if they catch you. you
> may want to reread "own a gun and stay of of jail" (if you want to stay
> out of jail that is) page 114 defending property:
> no deadly force to protect personal property
>
> of course if you are in desolate area you may get away with it but would
> you feel well living with a knowledge that you shot some who only
> wanted to steal your fancy rims and worrying if you disposed of the body
> properly or not?


I don't think anybody would think too much. At the time I was living in
one of the most crime ridden areas of Mass. Another drug user off the
street...eh...

Maybe the rest would have learned...but I doubt it.

Joe LaVigne

isquat@gmail.com wrote:

> On Apr 22, 7:18 am, Hachiroku 繝上メ繝繧ｯ <Tru...@AE86.gts> wrote:
>> Of course, there is one deterrent that will GUARANTEE they will never
>> bother you again! A full clip! BLAM, BLAM, BLAM, BLAM, BLAM, BLAM, BLAM!
>
> ... and then you'd get raped by the state in court if they catch you.
> you may want to reread "own a gun and stay of of jail"
> (if you want to stay out of jail that is)
> page 114 defending property:
> no deadly force to protect personal property
>
> of course if you are in desolate area you may get away with it
> but would you feel well living with a knowledge that you
> shot some who only wanted to steal your fancy rims
> and worrying if you disposed of the body properly or not?

In TX, you are completely justified in killing someone to defend personal
property. Only state in the union that this is so.

Not a good thing, IMO, but it does serve as a deterrent.

Joe LaVigne

isquat@gmail.com wrote:

> On Apr 22, 7:18 am, Hachiroku 繝上メ繝繧ｯ <Tru...@AE86.gts> wrote:
>> Of course, there is one deterrent that will GUARANTEE they will never
>> bother you again! A full clip! BLAM, BLAM, BLAM, BLAM, BLAM, BLAM, BLAM!
>
> ... and then you'd get raped by the state in court if they catch you.
> you may want to reread "own a gun and stay of of jail"
> (if you want to stay out of jail that is)
> page 114 defending property:
> no deadly force to protect personal property
>
> of course if you are in desolate area you may get away with it
> but would you feel well living with a knowledge that you
> shot some who only wanted to steal your fancy rims
> and worrying if you disposed of the body properly or not?

In TX, you are completely justified in killing someone to defend personal
property. Only state in the union that this is so.

Not a good thing, IMO, but it does serve as a deterrent.

Michael Pardee

"Joe LaVigne" <jlavigne@hits-buffalo.com> wrote in message
news:f0gv2b$if3$1@aioe.org...
>
> In TX, you are completely justified in killing someone to defend personal
> property. Only state in the union that this is so.
>
> Not a good thing, IMO, but it does serve as a deterrent.
>
>
Getting there in Arizona. A homeowner may assume mortal danger if facing an
intruder in his home, whether a weapon is seen or not. Changed to that last
year IIRC. In Phoenix a few years back a car owner was not prosecuted for
shooting a fleeing man who had been trying to break into his car.

The first apartment I had, in Oakland CA, was in a very rough neighborhood.
My apartment was burglarized three times in a two week period, but nobody
ever bothered anybody's car on the street. A quick death was too much to
hope for if caught.

Mike

Michael Pardee

"Joe LaVigne" <jlavigne@hits-buffalo.com> wrote in message
news:f0gv2b$if3$1@aioe.org...
>
> In TX, you are completely justified in killing someone to defend personal
> property. Only state in the union that this is so.
>
> Not a good thing, IMO, but it does serve as a deterrent.
>
>
Getting there in Arizona. A homeowner may assume mortal danger if facing an
intruder in his home, whether a weapon is seen or not. Changed to that last
year IIRC. In Phoenix a few years back a car owner was not prosecuted for
shooting a fleeing man who had been trying to break into his car.

The first apartment I had, in Oakland CA, was in a very rough neighborhood.
My apartment was burglarized three times in a two week period, but nobody
ever bothered anybody's car on the street. A quick death was too much to
hope for if caught.

Mike