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Re: Question re first 3 month service
On May 7, 11:45 pm, jim beam <spamvor...@bad.example.net> wrote:
> Dano58 wrote: > > This whole 'Maintenance Minder' thing is still a struggle for me! We > > have about 4700 miles on our '07 Odyssey and the 'oil life' is still > > at 20%! I'm taking it in this week, just can't wait any longer..... > > Besides, I have 4 free oil change coupons that the dealer gave me as > > part of the sale of the car. > > > I've always changed the oil at 1500 miles then every 3k after that (5k > > with the synthetic in my Audi). So this is new territory for me. OTOH > > the car is leased, so in 2.5 years Honda is getting it back, so..... > > i don't mean this to be facetious, even though it sounds it, but why are > you abandoning science and research for tradition and superstition? put > another way, why can't you trust the engineers that poured millions of > dollars and years of research into developing this stuff? if it's fear > of the unknown, what do you know about metal fatigue and do you still > fly in planes? I didn't say I was NOT following the Maintenance Minder - I actually am - just that I'm having a hard time adjusting to it. My last new car, a 2004 Audi A4, has a traditional schedule of oil changes and service, especially with it's turbo 1.8T engine. And it may be 'science and research', but when Audi first came out with the 1.8T engine, they recommended regular dino oil and 10k change intervals. That changed in 2004 after having severe sludge issues - they went to synthetic and a larger oil filter, along with decreased change intervals. Those that maintained a 'traditional' 3k/5k oil change schedule tend to have fewer sludge issues. So, sometimes in the quest to cut maintenance costs, the manufacturers can get their science and research messed up by bean counters. Dan D '07 Ody EX Central NJ USA |
Re: Question re first 3 month service
Dano58 wrote: > On May 7, 11:45 pm, jim beam <spamvor...@bad.example.net> wrote: > >>Dano58 wrote: >> >>>This whole 'Maintenance Minder' thing is still a struggle for me! We >>>have about 4700 miles on our '07 Odyssey and the 'oil life' is still >>>at 20%! I'm taking it in this week, just can't wait any longer..... >>>Besides, I have 4 free oil change coupons that the dealer gave me as >>>part of the sale of the car. >> >>>I've always changed the oil at 1500 miles then every 3k after that (5k >>>with the synthetic in my Audi). So this is new territory for me. OTOH >>>the car is leased, so in 2.5 years Honda is getting it back, so..... >> >>i don't mean this to be facetious, even though it sounds it, but why are >>you abandoning science and research for tradition and superstition? put >>another way, why can't you trust the engineers that poured millions of >>dollars and years of research into developing this stuff? if it's fear >>of the unknown, what do you know about metal fatigue and do you still >>fly in planes? > > > I didn't say I was NOT following the Maintenance Minder - I actually > am - just that I'm having a hard time adjusting to it. My last new > car, a 2004 Audi A4, has a traditional schedule of oil changes and > service, especially with it's turbo 1.8T engine. > > And it may be 'science and research', but when Audi first came out > with the 1.8T engine, they recommended regular dino oil and 10k change > intervals. That changed in 2004 after having severe sludge issues - > they went to synthetic and a larger oil filter, along with decreased > change intervals. Those that maintained a 'traditional' 3k/5k oil > change schedule tend to have fewer sludge issues. So, sometimes in the > quest to cut maintenance costs, the manufacturers can get their > science and research messed up by bean counters. > > Another fine nail in the reliability coffin of Audi. I cannot imagine in my wildest drunken side walk knuckle dragging episode of buying the fact of a 10K change interval using dino oil in a turbo engine of any kind... Geeeeeeez.. JT |
Re: Question re first 3 month service
Dano58 wrote: > On May 7, 11:45 pm, jim beam <spamvor...@bad.example.net> wrote: > >>Dano58 wrote: >> >>>This whole 'Maintenance Minder' thing is still a struggle for me! We >>>have about 4700 miles on our '07 Odyssey and the 'oil life' is still >>>at 20%! I'm taking it in this week, just can't wait any longer..... >>>Besides, I have 4 free oil change coupons that the dealer gave me as >>>part of the sale of the car. >> >>>I've always changed the oil at 1500 miles then every 3k after that (5k >>>with the synthetic in my Audi). So this is new territory for me. OTOH >>>the car is leased, so in 2.5 years Honda is getting it back, so..... >> >>i don't mean this to be facetious, even though it sounds it, but why are >>you abandoning science and research for tradition and superstition? put >>another way, why can't you trust the engineers that poured millions of >>dollars and years of research into developing this stuff? if it's fear >>of the unknown, what do you know about metal fatigue and do you still >>fly in planes? > > > I didn't say I was NOT following the Maintenance Minder - I actually > am - just that I'm having a hard time adjusting to it. My last new > car, a 2004 Audi A4, has a traditional schedule of oil changes and > service, especially with it's turbo 1.8T engine. > > And it may be 'science and research', but when Audi first came out > with the 1.8T engine, they recommended regular dino oil and 10k change > intervals. That changed in 2004 after having severe sludge issues - > they went to synthetic and a larger oil filter, along with decreased > change intervals. Those that maintained a 'traditional' 3k/5k oil > change schedule tend to have fewer sludge issues. So, sometimes in the > quest to cut maintenance costs, the manufacturers can get their > science and research messed up by bean counters. > > Another fine nail in the reliability coffin of Audi. I cannot imagine in my wildest drunken side walk knuckle dragging episode of buying the fact of a 10K change interval using dino oil in a turbo engine of any kind... Geeeeeeez.. JT |
Re: Question re first 3 month service
<isquat@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1178599579.128945.288600@l77g2000hsb.googlegr oups.com... > On May 5, 8:26 am, Robert Barr <n...@for.harvest> wrote: >> > I thought you were supposed to do the maintenance when the oil light >> > came on, on the dashboard? >> >> Correct. In fact, your manual specifically advises you to NOT change >> your oil early, for your first oil change. >> > i could not see how it could hurt as long as you don't put synthetics > or a synthetic mix in. > me thinks no point to change the oil filter though. > >> You'll get service reminders all the time. Just ignore them until your >> vehicle tells you it needs service. > > wow. i'm glad i'm not buying a used honda not that i'd want > a toaster on wheels with a slushbox anyway :^) > > Wow, are you out of date! Slushboxes were contemporary to the Beatniks and maybe Hippies. Although the term "slushbox" has been applied wrongly to automatic transmissions since I was a kid, it actually only fit the ancient Buick Dynaflow... although the 2-speed GM Powerglide came close in operation. Conceited stick jockies have used it to carelessly or mindlessly denigrate the entire gamut of automatic transmissions, good, bad and ugly, ever since. Modern automatic transmissions are mostly very much the same as modern manual transmissions but with controls (including lock-up torque converters) built in. Mike |
Re: Question re first 3 month service
<isquat@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1178599579.128945.288600@l77g2000hsb.googlegr oups.com... > On May 5, 8:26 am, Robert Barr <n...@for.harvest> wrote: >> > I thought you were supposed to do the maintenance when the oil light >> > came on, on the dashboard? >> >> Correct. In fact, your manual specifically advises you to NOT change >> your oil early, for your first oil change. >> > i could not see how it could hurt as long as you don't put synthetics > or a synthetic mix in. > me thinks no point to change the oil filter though. > >> You'll get service reminders all the time. Just ignore them until your >> vehicle tells you it needs service. > > wow. i'm glad i'm not buying a used honda not that i'd want > a toaster on wheels with a slushbox anyway :^) > > Wow, are you out of date! Slushboxes were contemporary to the Beatniks and maybe Hippies. Although the term "slushbox" has been applied wrongly to automatic transmissions since I was a kid, it actually only fit the ancient Buick Dynaflow... although the 2-speed GM Powerglide came close in operation. Conceited stick jockies have used it to carelessly or mindlessly denigrate the entire gamut of automatic transmissions, good, bad and ugly, ever since. Modern automatic transmissions are mostly very much the same as modern manual transmissions but with controls (including lock-up torque converters) built in. Mike |
Re: Question re first 3 month service
Michael Pardee wrote: > <isquat@gmail.com> wrote in message > news:1178599579.128945.288600@l77g2000hsb.googlegr oups.com... > >>On May 5, 8:26 am, Robert Barr <n...@for.harvest> wrote: >> >>>>I thought you were supposed to do the maintenance when the oil light >>>>came on, on the dashboard? >>> >>>Correct. In fact, your manual specifically advises you to NOT change >>>your oil early, for your first oil change. >>> >> >>i could not see how it could hurt as long as you don't put synthetics >>or a synthetic mix in. >>me thinks no point to change the oil filter though. >> >> >>>You'll get service reminders all the time. Just ignore them until your >>>vehicle tells you it needs service. >> >>wow. i'm glad i'm not buying a used honda not that i'd want >>a toaster on wheels with a slushbox anyway :^) >> >> > > > Wow, are you out of date! Slushboxes were contemporary to the Beatniks and > maybe Hippies. Although the term "slushbox" has been applied wrongly to > automatic transmissions since I was a kid, it actually only fit the ancient > Buick Dynaflow... although the 2-speed GM Powerglide came close in > operation. Conceited stick jockies have used it to carelessly or mindlessly > denigrate the entire gamut of automatic transmissions, good, bad and ugly, > ever since. Modern automatic transmissions are mostly very much the same as > modern manual transmissions but with controls (including lock-up torque > converters) built in. > > Mike > > My second car was a 1950 Buick Roadmaster. To increase fuel mileage, one would start in low then shift into drive. Gotya about 11 instead of the typical 10 mpg. Even though, I love that biiiiiiig car! Wish I still had it.. JT |
Re: Question re first 3 month service
Michael Pardee wrote: > <isquat@gmail.com> wrote in message > news:1178599579.128945.288600@l77g2000hsb.googlegr oups.com... > >>On May 5, 8:26 am, Robert Barr <n...@for.harvest> wrote: >> >>>>I thought you were supposed to do the maintenance when the oil light >>>>came on, on the dashboard? >>> >>>Correct. In fact, your manual specifically advises you to NOT change >>>your oil early, for your first oil change. >>> >> >>i could not see how it could hurt as long as you don't put synthetics >>or a synthetic mix in. >>me thinks no point to change the oil filter though. >> >> >>>You'll get service reminders all the time. Just ignore them until your >>>vehicle tells you it needs service. >> >>wow. i'm glad i'm not buying a used honda not that i'd want >>a toaster on wheels with a slushbox anyway :^) >> >> > > > Wow, are you out of date! Slushboxes were contemporary to the Beatniks and > maybe Hippies. Although the term "slushbox" has been applied wrongly to > automatic transmissions since I was a kid, it actually only fit the ancient > Buick Dynaflow... although the 2-speed GM Powerglide came close in > operation. Conceited stick jockies have used it to carelessly or mindlessly > denigrate the entire gamut of automatic transmissions, good, bad and ugly, > ever since. Modern automatic transmissions are mostly very much the same as > modern manual transmissions but with controls (including lock-up torque > converters) built in. > > Mike > > My second car was a 1950 Buick Roadmaster. To increase fuel mileage, one would start in low then shift into drive. Gotya about 11 instead of the typical 10 mpg. Even though, I love that biiiiiiig car! Wish I still had it.. JT |
Re: Question re first 3 month service
"Grumpy AuContraire" <Grumpy@ExtraGrumpyville.com> wrote in message
news:Vr80i.117167$VU4.102189@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net... > > >> >> Wow, are you out of date! Slushboxes were contemporary to the Beatniks >> and maybe Hippies. Although the term "slushbox" has been applied wrongly >> to automatic transmissions since I was a kid, it actually only fit the >> ancient Buick Dynaflow... although the 2-speed GM Powerglide came close >> in operation. Conceited stick jockies have used it to carelessly or >> mindlessly denigrate the entire gamut of automatic transmissions, good, >> bad and ugly, ever since. Modern automatic transmissions are mostly very >> much the same as modern manual transmissions but with controls (including >> lock-up torque converters) built in. >> > > My second car was a 1950 Buick Roadmaster. To increase fuel mileage, one > would start in low then shift into drive. Gotya about 11 instead of the > typical 10 mpg. > > Even though, I love that biiiiiiig car! Wish I still had it.. > > JT > > That's the thing! A manually shifted two speed meant to be used mostly as a single speed. A sister-in-law had some lesser Buick with a Dynaflow (aka Fluid Drive) when she and my brother first met. Doug said stepping on the gas would cause the engine to roar to life, as the car started moving slowly forward. Not the sort of transmission to mate with a small engine! Roadmasters were supposed to be quite the ride, though. IIRC they had enough power to make the Dynaflow useful. Mike |
Re: Question re first 3 month service
"Grumpy AuContraire" <Grumpy@ExtraGrumpyville.com> wrote in message
news:Vr80i.117167$VU4.102189@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net... > > >> >> Wow, are you out of date! Slushboxes were contemporary to the Beatniks >> and maybe Hippies. Although the term "slushbox" has been applied wrongly >> to automatic transmissions since I was a kid, it actually only fit the >> ancient Buick Dynaflow... although the 2-speed GM Powerglide came close >> in operation. Conceited stick jockies have used it to carelessly or >> mindlessly denigrate the entire gamut of automatic transmissions, good, >> bad and ugly, ever since. Modern automatic transmissions are mostly very >> much the same as modern manual transmissions but with controls (including >> lock-up torque converters) built in. >> > > My second car was a 1950 Buick Roadmaster. To increase fuel mileage, one > would start in low then shift into drive. Gotya about 11 instead of the > typical 10 mpg. > > Even though, I love that biiiiiiig car! Wish I still had it.. > > JT > > That's the thing! A manually shifted two speed meant to be used mostly as a single speed. A sister-in-law had some lesser Buick with a Dynaflow (aka Fluid Drive) when she and my brother first met. Doug said stepping on the gas would cause the engine to roar to life, as the car started moving slowly forward. Not the sort of transmission to mate with a small engine! Roadmasters were supposed to be quite the ride, though. IIRC they had enough power to make the Dynaflow useful. Mike |
Re: Question re first 3 month service
Dano58 wrote:
> On May 7, 11:45 pm, jim beam <spamvor...@bad.example.net> wrote: >> Dano58 wrote: >>> This whole 'Maintenance Minder' thing is still a struggle for me! We >>> have about 4700 miles on our '07 Odyssey and the 'oil life' is still >>> at 20%! I'm taking it in this week, just can't wait any longer..... >>> Besides, I have 4 free oil change coupons that the dealer gave me as >>> part of the sale of the car. >>> I've always changed the oil at 1500 miles then every 3k after that (5k >>> with the synthetic in my Audi). So this is new territory for me. OTOH >>> the car is leased, so in 2.5 years Honda is getting it back, so..... >> i don't mean this to be facetious, even though it sounds it, but why are >> you abandoning science and research for tradition and superstition? put >> another way, why can't you trust the engineers that poured millions of >> dollars and years of research into developing this stuff? if it's fear >> of the unknown, what do you know about metal fatigue and do you still >> fly in planes? > > I didn't say I was NOT following the Maintenance Minder - I actually > am - just that I'm having a hard time adjusting to it. My last new > car, a 2004 Audi A4, has a traditional schedule of oil changes and > service, especially with it's turbo 1.8T engine. > > And it may be 'science and research', but when Audi first came out > with the 1.8T engine, they recommended regular dino oil and 10k change > intervals. That changed in 2004 after having severe sludge issues - > they went to synthetic and a larger oil filter, along with decreased > change intervals. Those that maintained a 'traditional' 3k/5k oil > change schedule tend to have fewer sludge issues. So, sometimes in the > quest to cut maintenance costs, the manufacturers can get their > science and research messed up by bean counters. > i think that has more to do with domestic oil formulations being somewhat inferior to european ones - and the underestimation thereof. and the problem of getting your oil changed at monkeylube. at least if you specify synthetic and it's not used, there's recourse. if you specified castrol [for instance] /nobody/ would pay attention. |
Re: Question re first 3 month service
Dano58 wrote:
> On May 7, 11:45 pm, jim beam <spamvor...@bad.example.net> wrote: >> Dano58 wrote: >>> This whole 'Maintenance Minder' thing is still a struggle for me! We >>> have about 4700 miles on our '07 Odyssey and the 'oil life' is still >>> at 20%! I'm taking it in this week, just can't wait any longer..... >>> Besides, I have 4 free oil change coupons that the dealer gave me as >>> part of the sale of the car. >>> I've always changed the oil at 1500 miles then every 3k after that (5k >>> with the synthetic in my Audi). So this is new territory for me. OTOH >>> the car is leased, so in 2.5 years Honda is getting it back, so..... >> i don't mean this to be facetious, even though it sounds it, but why are >> you abandoning science and research for tradition and superstition? put >> another way, why can't you trust the engineers that poured millions of >> dollars and years of research into developing this stuff? if it's fear >> of the unknown, what do you know about metal fatigue and do you still >> fly in planes? > > I didn't say I was NOT following the Maintenance Minder - I actually > am - just that I'm having a hard time adjusting to it. My last new > car, a 2004 Audi A4, has a traditional schedule of oil changes and > service, especially with it's turbo 1.8T engine. > > And it may be 'science and research', but when Audi first came out > with the 1.8T engine, they recommended regular dino oil and 10k change > intervals. That changed in 2004 after having severe sludge issues - > they went to synthetic and a larger oil filter, along with decreased > change intervals. Those that maintained a 'traditional' 3k/5k oil > change schedule tend to have fewer sludge issues. So, sometimes in the > quest to cut maintenance costs, the manufacturers can get their > science and research messed up by bean counters. > i think that has more to do with domestic oil formulations being somewhat inferior to european ones - and the underestimation thereof. and the problem of getting your oil changed at monkeylube. at least if you specify synthetic and it's not used, there's recourse. if you specified castrol [for instance] /nobody/ would pay attention. |
Re: Question re first 3 month service
Michael Pardee wrote: > "Grumpy AuContraire" <Grumpy@ExtraGrumpyville.com> wrote in message > news:Vr80i.117167$VU4.102189@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net... > >> >>>Wow, are you out of date! Slushboxes were contemporary to the Beatniks >>>and maybe Hippies. Although the term "slushbox" has been applied wrongly >>>to automatic transmissions since I was a kid, it actually only fit the >>>ancient Buick Dynaflow... although the 2-speed GM Powerglide came close >>>in operation. Conceited stick jockies have used it to carelessly or >>>mindlessly denigrate the entire gamut of automatic transmissions, good, >>>bad and ugly, ever since. Modern automatic transmissions are mostly very >>>much the same as modern manual transmissions but with controls (including >>>lock-up torque converters) built in. >>> >> >>My second car was a 1950 Buick Roadmaster. To increase fuel mileage, one >>would start in low then shift into drive. Gotya about 11 instead of the >>typical 10 mpg. >> >>Even though, I love that biiiiiiig car! Wish I still had it.. >> >>JT >> >> > > That's the thing! A manually shifted two speed meant to be used mostly as a > single speed. A sister-in-law had some lesser Buick with a Dynaflow (aka > Fluid Drive) when she and my brother first met. Doug said stepping on the > gas would cause the engine to roar to life, as the car started moving slowly > forward. Not the sort of transmission to mate with a small engine! > Roadmasters were supposed to be quite the ride, though. IIRC they had enough > power to make the Dynaflow useful. > > Mike > Yup... A huge overhead valve straight eight! You could see the gas gauge go down as so did the gas pedal... <G> JT |
Re: Question re first 3 month service
Michael Pardee wrote: > "Grumpy AuContraire" <Grumpy@ExtraGrumpyville.com> wrote in message > news:Vr80i.117167$VU4.102189@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net... > >> >>>Wow, are you out of date! Slushboxes were contemporary to the Beatniks >>>and maybe Hippies. Although the term "slushbox" has been applied wrongly >>>to automatic transmissions since I was a kid, it actually only fit the >>>ancient Buick Dynaflow... although the 2-speed GM Powerglide came close >>>in operation. Conceited stick jockies have used it to carelessly or >>>mindlessly denigrate the entire gamut of automatic transmissions, good, >>>bad and ugly, ever since. Modern automatic transmissions are mostly very >>>much the same as modern manual transmissions but with controls (including >>>lock-up torque converters) built in. >>> >> >>My second car was a 1950 Buick Roadmaster. To increase fuel mileage, one >>would start in low then shift into drive. Gotya about 11 instead of the >>typical 10 mpg. >> >>Even though, I love that biiiiiiig car! Wish I still had it.. >> >>JT >> >> > > That's the thing! A manually shifted two speed meant to be used mostly as a > single speed. A sister-in-law had some lesser Buick with a Dynaflow (aka > Fluid Drive) when she and my brother first met. Doug said stepping on the > gas would cause the engine to roar to life, as the car started moving slowly > forward. Not the sort of transmission to mate with a small engine! > Roadmasters were supposed to be quite the ride, though. IIRC they had enough > power to make the Dynaflow useful. > > Mike > Yup... A huge overhead valve straight eight! You could see the gas gauge go down as so did the gas pedal... <G> JT |
Re: Question re first 3 month service
On Mon, 7 May 2007 20:38:48 -0400, "Howard"
<howardh1951@(nospam)gmail.com> wrote: >If you got a letter from your dealer it is probably automatically generated >based upon average mileage/usage to solicit or perhaps remind you that >service may be imminent. Below is a copy/paste of what Honda interprets the >codes on your maintenance minder system. > >Howard Where did you copy the maintenance info from? Please. |
Re: Question re first 3 month service
On Mon, 7 May 2007 20:38:48 -0400, "Howard"
<howardh1951@(nospam)gmail.com> wrote: >If you got a letter from your dealer it is probably automatically generated >based upon average mileage/usage to solicit or perhaps remind you that >service may be imminent. Below is a copy/paste of what Honda interprets the >codes on your maintenance minder system. > >Howard Where did you copy the maintenance info from? Please. |
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