Re: Questions about new Accord
 

On Oct 17, 12:49 pm, "L Alpert" <alpe...@xxgmail.com> wrote:
> <rev_otis_mcn...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>
> news:928a3efb-5e2d-457b-965f-6e5e7b22fa66@t39g2000prh.googlegroups.com...
> On Oct 15, 2:38 am, "Justbob30" <justbo...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> I care very much about conservation and environment, but it amazes me
> that no one here has understood my actual question about resetting.
> Honda owners? I think I'll try some of the forums and hope for
> at least higher I.Q's.
> ------------
>
> I fully understand what you are asking, it is a pretty straight
> forward question. Does resetting the maintanance reminder at an oil
> change interval reset the reminder of those items scheduled further
> out then said oil change?
>
> Unfortunately, I don't have the answer!

I think it's pretty clear to me now that this silly MM is just
an oil change interval-based thingy that also keeps track
of the overall mileage on the car (or maybe even the number
of times the thing has been reset, to deal with the other
items than need changing later--such as plugs and filters).
For a person who does not wish to wait for the Oil Life to
get down to 15% on the MM before changing his oil, he will
never see reminders for changing out the other items, rotating
tires, etc.
Let us say there are flaws in the system.

Re: Questions about new Accord
 

On Oct 17, 5:21 pm, Brian Smith <Hali...@NovaScotia.Canada> wrote:
> rev_otis_mcn...@yahoo.com wrote:
>
> > I care very much about conservation and environment, but it amazes me
> > that no one here has understood my actual question about resetting.
> > Honda owners? I think I'll try some of the forums and hope for
> > at least higher I.Q's.
>
> I don't see what the big deal is about the maintenance minder. Keep
> track of the distance and time since you did the last bit of maintenance
> to the vehicle and forget about the *mm*. Just like in the good old
> days, depend on written records or your memory and forget the new
> fangled gizmos. :^)

Hey, I agree with you. I'm just inclined to think about obeying this
silly thing at least while the car is under full warranty--so as not
to give any wiggle room for Honda in the event of future problems.

I can just hear: "did you follow the Mainentance Minder?"

Re: Questions about new Accord
 

<rev_otis_mcnatt@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> On Oct 17, 12:49 pm, "L Alpert" <alpe...@xxgmail.com> wrote:
>> <rev_otis_mcn...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>>
>> news:928a3efb-5e2d-457b-965f-6e5e7b22fa66@t39g2000prh.googlegroups.com...
>> On Oct 15, 2:38 am, "Justbob30" <justbo...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
> I think it's pretty clear to me now that this silly MM is just
> an oil change interval-based thingy that also keeps track
> of the overall mileage on the car (or maybe even the number
> of times the thing has been reset, to deal with the other
> items than need changing later--such as plugs and filters).
> For a person who does not wish to wait for the Oil Life to
> get down to 15% on the MM before changing his oil, he will
> never see reminders for changing out the other items, rotating
> tires, etc.
> Let us say there are flaws in the system.

Actually the MM on my 2007 accord not only tracks oil life (pretty much
7.5K/change) but also indicates other services by code (A1, B2, etc.) which
are defined in the OM (Owner's Manual).

Re: Questions about new Accord
 

In article
<43032a22-7e4d-4d32-b2bd-aab840011edf@64g2000hsu.googlegroups.com>,
rev_otis_mcnatt@yahoo.com wrote:

> I think it's pretty clear to me now that this silly MM is just
> an oil change interval-based thingy that also keeps track
> of the overall mileage on the car (or maybe even the number
> of times the thing has been reset, to deal with the other
> items than need changing later--such as plugs and filters).

I bet it's also pretty clear to you that the Earth was formed 4000 years
ago, and that women should remain barefoot, pregnant, and in the kitchen.

What's clear to you plainly has no relation to reality.

You don't know how the MM works, so you made some wild-ass guesses--and
then decided those must the truth.

You're so wrong, it's funny to watch you drool this stuff.

Re: Questions about new Accord
 

On Oct 18, 12:02 pm, "Howard" <har...@excite.com> wrote:
> <rev_otis_mcn...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> news:43032a22-7e4d-4d32-b2bd-aab840011edf@64g2000hsu.googlegroups.com...
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Oct 17, 12:49 pm, "L Alpert" <alpe...@xxgmail.com> wrote:
> >> <rev_otis_mcn...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>
> >>news:928a3efb-5e2d-457b-965f-6e5e7b22fa66@t39g2000prh.googlegroups.com....
> >> On Oct 15, 2:38 am, "Justbob30" <justbo...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > I think it's pretty clear to me now that this silly MM is just
> > an oil change interval-based thingy that also keeps track
> > of the overall mileage on the car (or maybe even the number
> > of times the thing has been reset, to deal with the other
> > items than need changing later--such as plugs and filters).
> > For a person who does not wish to wait for the Oil Life to
> > get down to 15% on the MM before changing his oil, he will
> > never see reminders for changing out the other items, rotating
> > tires, etc.
> > Let us say there are flaws in the system.
>
> Actually the MM on my 2007 accord not only tracks oil life (pretty much
> 7.5K/change) but also indicates other services by code (A1, B2, etc.)

But these messages only show up when the MM says "Oil Life" at
15%-- or lower-- on your car, right? They never show up independently
w/o
the MM saying it's time for an oil change.

Re: Questions about new Accord
 

<rev_otis_mcnatt@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> On Oct 17, 12:49 pm, "L Alpert" <alpe...@xxgmail.com> wrote:
>> <rev_otis_mcn...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>>
>> news:928a3efb-5e2d-457b-965f-6e5e7b22fa66@t39g2000prh.googlegroups.com...
>> On Oct 15, 2:38 am, "Justbob30" <justbo...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> I care very much about conservation and environment, but it amazes me
>> that no one here has understood my actual question about resetting.
>> Honda owners? I think I'll try some of the forums and hope for
>> at least higher I.Q's.
>> ------------
>>
>> I fully understand what you are asking, it is a pretty straight
>> forward question. Does resetting the maintanance reminder at an oil
>> change interval reset the reminder of those items scheduled further
>> out then said oil change?
>>
>> Unfortunately, I don't have the answer!
>
> I think it's pretty clear to me now that this silly MM is just
> an oil change interval-based thingy that also keeps track
> of the overall mileage on the car (or maybe even the number
> of times the thing has been reset, to deal with the other
> items than need changing later--such as plugs and filters).
> For a person who does not wish to wait for the Oil Life to
> get down to 15% on the MM before changing his oil, he will
> never see reminders for changing out the other items, rotating
> tires, etc.
> Let us say there are flaws in the system.
>

With the technology that is available today, it would be relatively easy to
design a truly automated system.

Re: Questions about new Accord
 

Thus spake rev_otis_mcnatt@yahoo.com :

>On Oct 18, 12:02 pm, "Howard" <har...@excite.com> wrote:
>> <rev_otis_mcn...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>>
>> news:43032a22-7e4d-4d32-b2bd-aab840011edf@64g2000hsu.googlegroups.com...
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> > On Oct 17, 12:49 pm, "L Alpert" <alpe...@xxgmail.com> wrote:
>> >> <rev_otis_mcn...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>>
>> >>news:928a3efb-5e2d-457b-965f-6e5e7b22fa66@t39g2000prh.googlegroups.com...
>> >> On Oct 15, 2:38 am, "Justbob30" <justbo...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> > I think it's pretty clear to me now that this silly MM is just
>> > an oil change interval-based thingy that also keeps track
>> > of the overall mileage on the car (or maybe even the number
>> > of times the thing has been reset, to deal with the other
>> > items than need changing later--such as plugs and filters).
>> > For a person who does not wish to wait for the Oil Life to
>> > get down to 15% on the MM before changing his oil, he will
>> > never see reminders for changing out the other items, rotating
>> > tires, etc.
>> > Let us say there are flaws in the system.
>>
>> Actually the MM on my 2007 accord not only tracks oil life (pretty much
>> 7.5K/change) but also indicates other services by code (A1, B2, etc.)
>
>But these messages only show up when the MM says "Oil Life" at
>15%-- or lower-- on your car, right? They never show up independently
>w/o
>the MM saying it's time for an oil change.

Yes, because, if you do it according to Honda's recommendations, the
service intervals for the other items fall in line with the
recommended change times for oil.

If you short shift on an oil change, eventually you'll get a reminder
to change your air filter. But it will be part of a "package", that
will include an oil change

From the 2008 Fit:

A: Replace engine oil
B: Replace engine oil
Inspect front and rear brake wear
Check parking brake adjustment
Inspect the following items:
- Fluid levels and conditions
- Brake hoses and lines
- Driveshaft boots
- Exhaust system
- Fuel lines and connections
- Suspension components
- Tie rod ends, steering gear box and boots

1: Rotate tires
2: Replace air cleaner element. Replace dust and pollen filter.
Inspect drive belt.
3: Replace transmission fluid
4: Replace spark plugs. Inspect vavle clearance.
5: Replace engine coolant

Also: Replace brake fluid every 3 years, inspect idle speed every 160K
miles

Re: Questions about new Accord
 

L Alpert wrote:
> <rev_otis_mcnatt@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:43032a22-7e4d-4d32-b2bd-aab840011edf@64g2000hsu.googlegroups.com...
>> On Oct 17, 12:49 pm, "L Alpert" <alpe...@xxgmail.com> wrote:
>>> <rev_otis_mcn...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>>>
>>> news:928a3efb-5e2d-457b-965f-6e5e7b22fa66@t39g2000prh.googlegroups.com...
>>> On Oct 15, 2:38 am, "Justbob30" <justbo...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> I care very much about conservation and environment, but it amazes me
>>> that no one here has understood my actual question about resetting.
>>> Honda owners? I think I'll try some of the forums and hope for
>>> at least higher I.Q's.
>>> ------------
>>>
>>> I fully understand what you are asking, it is a pretty straight
>>> forward question. Does resetting the maintanance reminder at an oil
>>> change interval reset the reminder of those items scheduled further
>>> out then said oil change?
>>>
>>> Unfortunately, I don't have the answer!
>> I think it's pretty clear to me now that this silly MM is just
>> an oil change interval-based thingy that also keeps track
>> of the overall mileage on the car (or maybe even the number
>> of times the thing has been reset, to deal with the other
>> items than need changing later--such as plugs and filters).
>> For a person who does not wish to wait for the Oil Life to
>> get down to 15% on the MM before changing his oil, he will
>> never see reminders for changing out the other items, rotating
>> tires, etc.
>> Let us say there are flaws in the system.
>>
>
> With the technology that is available today, it would be relatively easy to
> design a truly automated system.
>
>

not only is it easy, you'd be damned foolish /not/ to use such a system
given the computing power the vehicle has.

Re: Questions about new Accord
 

"Brian Smith" <Halifax@NovaScotia.Canada> wrote in message
news:gdavl5$2t9$1@news.datemas.de...
> rev_otis_mcnatt@yahoo.com wrote:
>>
>> I care very much about conservation and environment, but it amazes me
>> that no one here has understood my actual question about resetting.
>> Honda owners? I think I'll try some of the forums and hope for
>> at least higher I.Q's.
>
> I don't see what the big deal is about the maintenance minder. Keep track
> of the distance and time since you did the last bit of maintenance to the
> vehicle and forget about the *mm*. Just like in the good old days, depend
> on written records or your memory and forget the new fangled gizmos. :^)

The computer takes into consideration accumulated engine revolutions and
operating conditions. Why is spacing oil changes based on an arbitrary
amount of miles or time superior to that?

Re: Questions about new Accord
 

On Oct 18, 9:24 pm, Dillon Pyron <invaliddmpy...@austin.rr.com> wrote:
>
> >> Actually the MM on my 2007 accord not only tracks oil life (pretty much
> >> 7.5K/change) but also indicates other services by code (A1, B2, etc.)
>
> >But these messages only show up when the MM says "Oil Life" at
> >15%-- or lower-- on your car, right? They never show up independently
> >w/o
> >the MM saying it's time for an oil change.
>
> Yes, because, if you do it according to Honda's recommendations, the
> service intervals for the other items fall in line with the
> recommended change times for oil.

From previous post of mine, which addresses this--read slowly:

"I think it's pretty clear to me now that this silly MM is just
an oil change interval-based thingy that also keeps track
of the overall mileage on the car (or maybe even the number
of times the thing has been reset, to deal with the other
items than need changing later--such as plugs and filters). "

Assumes of course the owners waits till 15% on subsequent
oil changes...

> If you short shift on an oil change, eventually you'll get a reminder
> to change your air filter. But it will be part of a "package", that
> will include an oil change

Read the following that I wrote above, very carefully:

"For a person who does not wish to wait for the Oil Life to
get down to 15% on the MM before changing his oil, he will
never see reminders for changing out the other items, rotating
tires, etc. Let us say there are flaws in the system. "

IOW, a customer/car owner who, say, drops in at the Jiffy Lube
"every 3 thousand miles or three months" will never see any
of these service messages. My own Honda dealership actually
has me scheduled for the first oil change at 4800 miles, which
they have determined to be on January 19, '09. Then there
is also the case of the owner who doesn't put enough miles
on his car in a year to get down to 15% and the messages...
The manual tells them to do an oil change at least once a year
even if very low miles, like most automakers. This person will
also never get the other service item messages.





>
> From the 2008 Fit:
>
> A: Replace engine oil
> B: Replace engine oil
> Inspect front and rear brake wear
> Check parking brake adjustment
> Inspect the following items:
> - Fluid levels and conditions
> - Brake hoses and lines
> - Driveshaft boots
> - Exhaust system
> - Fuel lines and connections
> - Suspension components
> - Tie rod ends, steering gear box and boots
>
> 1: Rotate tires
> 2: Replace air cleaner element. Replace dust and pollen filter.
> Inspect drive belt.
> 3: Replace transmission fluid
> 4: Replace spark plugs. Inspect vavle clearance.
> 5: Replace engine coolant
>
> Also: Replace brake fluid every 3 years, inspect idle speed every 160K
> miles- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

Re: Questions about new Accord
 

On Oct 19, 4:52 am, "Truckdude" <sa...@duh.com> wrote:
> "Brian Smith" <Hali...@NovaScotia.Canada> wrote in message
>
> news:gdavl5$2t9$1@news.datemas.de...
>
> > rev_otis_mcn...@yahoo.com wrote:
>
> >> I care very much about conservation and environment, but it amazes me
> >> that no one here has understood my actual question about resetting.
> >> Honda owners? I think I'll try some of the forums and hope for
> >> at least higher I.Q's.
>
> > I don't see what the big deal is about the maintenance minder. Keep track
> > of the distance and time since you did the last bit of maintenance to the
> > vehicle and forget about the *mm*. Just like in the good old days, depend
> > on written records or your memory and forget the new fangled gizmos. :^)
>
> The computer takes into consideration accumulated engine revolutions and
> operating conditions. Why is spacing oil changes based on an arbitrary
> amount of miles or time superior to that?

Here is the formula BMW uses for their oil change messaging:

e = a(1 + t + r) = estimated mileage

a= actual mileage

t = 1 if engine temp below operating temp, else t = 0

r = .5 if engine above 4500 RPM, else r = 0

You should see that this simple estimating formula pretty much
is sheer mileage-based for the average adult driver tooling around
town or out in the country. One of its major flaws is it doesn't
take into account engine run time (say, for a person who does
a lot of sitting daily in city traffic commuting).

Re: Questions about new Accord
 

rev_otis_mcnatt@yahoo.com wrote:
> On Oct 19, 4:52�am, "Truckdude" <sa...@duh.com> wrote:
>> "Brian Smith" <Hali...@NovaScotia.Canada> wrote in message
>>
>> news:gdavl5$2t9$1@news.datemas.de...
>>
>>> rev_otis_mcn...@yahoo.com wrote:
>>>> I care very much about conservation and environment, but it amazes me
>>>> that no one here has understood my actual question about resetting.
>>>> Honda owners? �I think I'll try some of the forums and hope for
>>>> at least higher I.Q's.
>>> I don't see what the big deal is about the maintenance minder. Keep track
>>> of the distance and time since you did the last bit of maintenance to the
>>> vehicle and forget about the *mm*. Just like in the good old days, depend
>>> on written records or your memory and forget the new fangled gizmos. � :^)
>> The computer takes into consideration accumulated engine revolutions and
>> operating conditions. �Why is spacing oil changes based on an arbitrary
>> amount of miles or time superior to that?
>
> Here is the formula BMW uses for their oil change messaging:
>
> e = a(1 + t + r) = estimated mileage
>
> a= actual mileage
>
> t = 1 if engine temp below operating temp, else t = 0
>
> r = .5 if engine above 4500 RPM, else r = 0
>
> You should see that this simple estimating formula pretty much
> is sheer mileage-based for the average adult driver tooling around
> town or out in the country. One of its major flaws is it doesn't
> take into account engine run time (say, for a person who does
> a lot of sitting daily in city traffic commuting).

so where is your oil analysis? why does the "expert" change synthetic
oil after only 8.5k?

i'm unimpressed with your formula btw. that may have been an
approximation from back in the 70's, but we've moved on a little since
then...

Re: Questions about new Accord
 

rev_otis_mcnatt@yahoo.com wrote:
> On Oct 18, 9:24�pm, Dillon Pyron <invaliddmpy...@austin.rr.com> wrote:
>>>> Actually the MM on my 2007 accord not only tracks oil life (pretty much
>>>> 7.5K/change) but also indicates other services by code (A1, B2, etc.)
>>> But these messages only show up when the MM says "Oil Life" at
>>> 15%-- or lower-- on your car, right? �They never show up independently
>>> w/o
>>> the MM saying it's time for an oil change.
>> Yes, because, if you do it according to Honda's recommendations, the
>> service intervals for the other items fall in line with the
>> recommended change times for oil.
>
> From previous post of mine, which addresses this--read slowly:
>
> "I think it's pretty clear to me now that this silly MM is just
> an oil change interval-based thingy that also keeps track
> of the overall mileage on the car (or maybe even the number
> of times the thing has been reset, to deal with the other
> items than need changing later--such as plugs and filters). "
>
> Assumes of course the owners waits till 15% on subsequent
> oil changes...
>
<snip crap>

let's go back to where all this b.s. started. you said:
"I am actually quite an expert on the subject of oil changes".

apparently that's not true since you don't seem to know /why/ oil needs
to get changed - and no, it's not the color - or seem to bother with oil
analysis.

basically dude, if you don't know stuff, that's fine, but don't try to
bullshit your way out of the corner you've painted yourself into. and
/definitely/ don't try to bullshit people that /do/ know more than you.
if you bothered to pay attention, maybe you'd even learn something.

Re: Questions about new Accord
 

In article <fzCKk.195284$vK2.66331@en-nntp-03.dc1.easynews.com>,
"Truckdude" <sarah@duh.com> wrote:

> The computer takes into consideration accumulated engine revolutions and
> operating conditions. Why is spacing oil changes based on an arbitrary
> amount of miles or time superior to that?

Because Brian and Otis KNOW BETTER, didn't you read? They're EXPERTS.

And you know, it isn't every day that you run across EXPERTS on the
Usenet. Cherish the time they spend with us.

Re: Questions about new Accord
 

In article
<69be4364-045d-4a60-b6e6-ad858deec8f0@j22g2000hsf.googlegroups.com>,
rev_otis_mcnatt@yahoo.com wrote:

> Here is the formula BMW uses for their oil change messaging:

Is that current?

And how does that matter to how Honda does it?