simpleton

there are no sports cars listed in your post.........
they all are stinking front-drives.
"Andrew" <analystresearch2002@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> I am going to be purchasing a sports car in the next month and I just
> wanted to get some feedback on the board from past owners or
> test-drivers of sports car on what they've found to be good or bad
> with various cars.
>
> I'm looking into the usual suspects:
> Toyota Celica
> Mitsubishi Eclipse
> Acura RSA
> Hyundai Tiburon
>
> I'm really leaning toward the Celica right now because I've heard its
> the most reliable and best interior/exterior design. However, I've
> also heard its not that fast and there are safety concerns about blind
> spots, etc.
>
> Just curious to see if anyone had any strong opinions on these cars -
> any recommendations? What are the tradeoffs with these cars? Also,
> does the trim make a difference? Is there a big diff between Celica
> GT and GTS? Diff's between Eclipse RS, GS, GT, GTS? Its one thing to
> have 4 extra features and more hp, but I'd like to hear really
> people's impressions about these things.
> Would be great to hear your thoughts and experiences with any of these
> cars. Thanks for the help!

Peter Hill

On Sat, 28 Jun 2003 10:11:56 -0700, "simpleton" <simpleton@yahoo.com>
wrote:

>there are no sports cars listed in your post.........
>they all are stinking front-drives.
>"Andrew" <analystresearch2002@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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>> I am going to be purchasing a sports car in the next month and I just
>> wanted to get some feedback on the board from past owners or
>> test-drivers of sports car on what they've found to be good or bad
>> with various cars.
>>
>> I'm looking into the usual suspects:
>> Toyota Celica
>> Mitsubishi Eclipse
>> Acura RSA
>> Hyundai Tiburon

Could be he is looking for a classic pre '85 Celica? They were proper
cars back then with RWD. Just a shame the last UK model only had a
21R 2.0 SOHC with a single carb, 20bhp would have made all the
difference.

I suggest none of the above. Get a 240SX fastback and put a 205bhp
SR20DET in it - like the 180SX fastback had in Japan till 98.
http://www.nadine180.com/cars/profile.html
Oops 'best girls car' so you may need a RB26DETT (from a Skyline GT-R)
or a V6 VG30DET (from a 300ZX) or 3 stage NO2 to make a man's car out
of it. You don't have to be mad but it helps.

--
Peter Hill

Can of worms - what every fisherman wants.
Can of worms - what every PC owner gets!

simpleton

"The RSX is a very nice "sporty" front drive car, I love mine (base 5
speed). "

yeah, my sister has one (rsx-s) and it is a fine car but the wife's wrx
crushes it in every respect.

Hank Arnold

Real ing helpful................ Come on, the guy asked a legitimate
question...........

--
Regards,
Hank Arnold
"simpleton" <simpleton@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> there are no sports cars listed in your post.........
> they all are stinking front-drives.

simpleton

AGAIN...there were no sports cars on that list. A front drive is not a
sports car. (bet you drive one huh?)
You can dress up the pig but will she dance?
Go look at a WRX.
"Hank Arnold" <rasilon@aol.com> wrote in message
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> Real ing helpful................ Come on, the guy asked a legitimate
> question...........
>
> --
> Regards,
> Hank Arnold
> "simpleton" <simpleton@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:AYidnZf2c8HCUWCjXTWJgA@comcast.com...
> > there are no sports cars listed in your post.........
> > they all are stinking front-drives.
>
>

Peter Hill

On Sat, 28 Jun 2003 13:21:23 -0700, "simpleton" <simpleton@yahoo.com>
wrote:

>"The RSX is a very nice "sporty" front drive car, I love mine (base 5
>speed). "
>
>yeah, my sister has one (rsx-s) and it is a fine car but the wife's wrx
>crushes it in every respect.

No 4 door car can claim be a sports car and they stopped making the
Impreza coupe a long time ago - don't think it got to the USA and I
don't think they made a STi or 22B version even though it was the
original WRC car and made their name - the 4 door has never been as
successful as it's too heavy to be a sports or WRC car. The lack of
real input from the driver again means 4wd are not sports cars,
performance yes, sports no. Totally de-skilled, anyone can drive them
fast on dry tarmac, that's why the WRX is the car of choice for UK
thieves as a getaway car - they don't need someone on the firm that
can handle a real car. Traffic cops advice to a friend with a Sierra
Cossie RS (late 80's early 90's euro Ford 4x4 turbo) 'If in doubt just
plant your foot to the floor on the go pedal and it will go round'.
Also supposed to be quite good for ram raiding as they can get quite a
good speed up across the width of a narrow town street (car of choice
yet again for UK thieves - three out of not many, stolen in one county
last month).

About 10 years ago 3 out of the 4 wrecks I saw one snowy night were
4x4's, a Mitsubishi Shogun on it's roof (SUV's don't spin they roll),
a Ford Scorpio 4x4 backed into a telegraph pole, a FWD metro had made
a new gap in a hedge and a Ford Sierra XR4x4 was 5ft off the road on
top off a hedge - think it had spun and mounted the hedge backwards.
I was in a RWD Celica and knew conditions were bad - the car had given
me due warning long before it could become a major drama. FWD and 4WD
just lets the idiots that can't drive move off and gain speed, so they
can go to the scene off their accident.

Still here? In answer of the OP.
http://www.caranddriver.com/article....&page_number=1
RSX wins.

How much more is a base 350Z? A few bucks more will make that whole
list and an unimpressive WRX look sick - unless you can get a STi, 22B
or some other real one but most have been or will be nicked. Besides
+WRX and EVO are ugly brutes - sports cars have a style that the EVO
and WRX lack.

--
Peter Hill

Can of worms - what every fisherman wants.
Can of worms - what every PC owner gets!

PHIL#

well that all nice peter but the rsx-s does seem to fall short in my
experience against the wrx.
my old lady's sedan seems to best both of my sister's coupes : an rsx-s and
a golf vr-6
the STi version is available but when i can still get clean a eclipse gsx so
cheap.......i prefer to build to suit my wants.

" the 4 door has never been as successful as it's too heavy to be a sports
or WRC car."

well that may be true for scoobie but i remember tommi kicking butt for a
long, long while in his 4 door mitsu.
either way that makes no difference, we both know that the WRC version of
the WRX is built by prodrive and is a half a million dollars (U.S.) so why
bring that up?

" The lack of real input from the driver again means 4wd are not sports
cars,performance yes, sports no. Totally de-skilled, anyone can drive
themfast on dry tarmac,"

yeah, i'll try to remember that when i'm drifting the eclipse through a foot
of fresh powder next winter
really though, your statement is overly broad. what center and rear
differential are fitted and how much power is on tap? i thought long and
hard about the race transmission going into the eclipse and if i should go
with a spool or a 4 gear spider. the 4 gear won out based on it being kinder
to the rest of the driveline but still i have more than enough power to
break traction up front allowing the viscous coupling to direct power to the
rear and provide good old fashioned throttle induced oversteer on demand. a
sharp stab at the brakes followed by lots of throttle tends to bring the
rear around as well. wouldn't this constitute driver input, or am i all wet
here?

"Traffic cops advice to a friend with a Sierra Cossie RS (late 80's early
90's euro Ford 4x4 turbo) 'If in doubt just
plant your foot to the floor on the go pedal and it will go round'."

yes, i remember this one...2.3l turbo ford yes? if i recall, didn't dunlop
purchase an entire fleet of these for the purpose of tire testing? it was
supposed to be very close to neutral and quite a sweet car.

"I was in a RWD Celica "

rear drive celica....wow! what vintage?

" FWD and 4WD just lets the idiots that can't drive move off and gain speed,
so they
can go to the scene off their accident."

yeah, but what about us idiots who can drive?
you guys don't really get much snow, so i doubt you're really prepared when
it does happen (much like when a freak storm hits texas.) i actually dig
driving on snow. it helps me unlearn all of the bad habits i've picked up in
good weather. i switch over from a set of 235/40/17 yokohama's to a
205/55/15 hakkapeliita 1 and just kick it!
most of the guys who have your attitude regarding AWD have no seat-time in
AWD cars.....

Tony Hwang

Hmmm,
So basically they don't know how to drive in the snow which means
POOR drivers. Don't blame the cars no matter what kind it is.
With common sense and skill any car can handle any road condition.
main reason idiots get into trouble including killing their cars and
themselves is trying to go fast when condtions won't allow it.
Tony

Peter Hill wrote:
> On Sat, 28 Jun 2003 13:21:23 -0700, "simpleton" <simpleton@yahoo.com>
> wrote:
>
>
>>"The RSX is a very nice "sporty" front drive car, I love mine (base 5
>>speed). "
>>
>>yeah, my sister has one (rsx-s) and it is a fine car but the wife's wrx
>>crushes it in every respect.
>
>
> No 4 door car can claim be a sports car and they stopped making the
> Impreza coupe a long time ago - don't think it got to the USA and I
> don't think they made a STi or 22B version even though it was the
> original WRC car and made their name - the 4 door has never been as
> successful as it's too heavy to be a sports or WRC car. The lack of
> real input from the driver again means 4wd are not sports cars,
> performance yes, sports no. Totally de-skilled, anyone can drive them
> fast on dry tarmac, that's why the WRX is the car of choice for UK
> thieves as a getaway car - they don't need someone on the firm that
> can handle a real car. Traffic cops advice to a friend with a Sierra
> Cossie RS (late 80's early 90's euro Ford 4x4 turbo) 'If in doubt just
> plant your foot to the floor on the go pedal and it will go round'.
> Also supposed to be quite good for ram raiding as they can get quite a
> good speed up across the width of a narrow town street (car of choice
> yet again for UK thieves - three out of not many, stolen in one county
> last month).
>
> About 10 years ago 3 out of the 4 wrecks I saw one snowy night were
> 4x4's, a Mitsubishi Shogun on it's roof (SUV's don't spin they roll),
> a Ford Scorpio 4x4 backed into a telegraph pole, a FWD metro had made
> a new gap in a hedge and a Ford Sierra XR4x4 was 5ft off the road on
> top off a hedge - think it had spun and mounted the hedge backwards.
> I was in a RWD Celica and knew conditions were bad - the car had given
> me due warning long before it could become a major drama. FWD and 4WD
> just lets the idiots that can't drive move off and gain speed, so they
> can go to the scene off their accident.
>
> Still here? In answer of the OP.
> http://www.caranddriver.com/article....&page_number=1
> RSX wins.
>
> How much more is a base 350Z? A few bucks more will make that whole
> list and an unimpressive WRX look sick - unless you can get a STi, 22B
> or some other real one but most have been or will be nicked. Besides
> +WRX and EVO are ugly brutes - sports cars have a style that the EVO
> and WRX lack.
>
> --
> Peter Hill
>
> Can of worms - what every fisherman wants.
> Can of worms - what every PC owner gets!

Tony Hwang

Hi,
Ditto. My two kids(girl and boy) drive Subaru. They always beat the RSX.
Their cousin has RSX auto(auto? Bahhh.....!). What a car! Once I asked
my son,
"Like RSX? How about trading?" He said, "No way"
Tony

PHIL# wrote:
> well that all nice peter but the rsx-s does seem to fall short in my
> experience against the wrx.
> my old lady's sedan seems to best both of my sister's coupes : an rsx-s and
> a golf vr-6
> the STi version is available but when i can still get clean a eclipse gsx so
> cheap.......i prefer to build to suit my wants.
>
> " the 4 door has never been as successful as it's too heavy to be a sports
> or WRC car."
>
> well that may be true for scoobie but i remember tommi kicking butt for a
> long, long while in his 4 door mitsu.
> either way that makes no difference, we both know that the WRC version of
> the WRX is built by prodrive and is a half a million dollars (U.S.) so why
> bring that up?
>
> " The lack of real input from the driver again means 4wd are not sports
> cars,performance yes, sports no. Totally de-skilled, anyone can drive
> themfast on dry tarmac,"
>
> yeah, i'll try to remember that when i'm drifting the eclipse through a foot
> of fresh powder next winter
> really though, your statement is overly broad. what center and rear
> differential are fitted and how much power is on tap? i thought long and
> hard about the race transmission going into the eclipse and if i should go
> with a spool or a 4 gear spider. the 4 gear won out based on it being kinder
> to the rest of the driveline but still i have more than enough power to
> break traction up front allowing the viscous coupling to direct power to the
> rear and provide good old fashioned throttle induced oversteer on demand. a
> sharp stab at the brakes followed by lots of throttle tends to bring the
> rear around as well. wouldn't this constitute driver input, or am i all wet
> here?
>
> "Traffic cops advice to a friend with a Sierra Cossie RS (late 80's early
> 90's euro Ford 4x4 turbo) 'If in doubt just
> plant your foot to the floor on the go pedal and it will go round'."
>
> yes, i remember this one...2.3l turbo ford yes? if i recall, didn't dunlop
> purchase an entire fleet of these for the purpose of tire testing? it was
> supposed to be very close to neutral and quite a sweet car.
>
> "I was in a RWD Celica "
>
> rear drive celica....wow! what vintage?
>
> " FWD and 4WD just lets the idiots that can't drive move off and gain speed,
> so they
> can go to the scene off their accident."
>
> yeah, but what about us idiots who can drive?
> you guys don't really get much snow, so i doubt you're really prepared when
> it does happen (much like when a freak storm hits texas.) i actually dig
> driving on snow. it helps me unlearn all of the bad habits i've picked up in
> good weather. i switch over from a set of 235/40/17 yokohama's to a
> 205/55/15 hakkapeliita 1 and just kick it!
> most of the guys who have your attitude regarding AWD have no seat-time in
> AWD cars.....
>
>
>
>

Chuck2056

"WRXtreme" <xangor1@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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>
> "Peter Hill" <peter@skyshack.demon.co.uk> wrote in message
> news:31sufvouolb16al25gmnd3d4n0pnls8u1q@4ax.com...
> > On Sat, 28 Jun 2003 13:21:23 -0700, "simpleton" <simpleton@yahoo.com>
> > wrote:

> Perhaps based on looks, the 350Z is better looking, I haven't legally
raced
> one of these yet, but I have had some stoplight challenges that ended in
my
> favor....the feeling you get from watching someones face turn white as
they
> get their *** handed to them by a 4 door car is priceless
>
> > Besides
> > +WRX and EVO are ugly brutes - sports cars have a style that the EVO
> > and WRX lack.
>
> True, sports cars generally have 2 doors, but that is about the only thing
> keeping the Evo and WRX Sti out of the "sports car" category. I get more
> people looking at me as I go down the street in my WRX than I EVER did in
my
> Vette (and no, my car isn't "riced out" either, it looks stock, sounds
stock
> has stock tires/rims on it, no body kits, no graphics.....just a total
> sleeper.)
>
> >
> > --
> > Peter Hill
> >
> > Can of worms - what every fisherman wants.
> > Can of worms - what every PC owner gets!
>
> --WRXtreme
>
> 2002 WRX
> 1999 Toyota Rav 4
> 2001 S2000
> 1957 Ford Fairlane Retractable
> 1969 GTO Judge
> 1995 Toyota Supra TT
>
>
That's why girls like Mustang GTs--they get their thrill in beating the boy
racers with less money to put into a car.

On the street you get to pick your victims. Road conditions and possible
traffic as well as reliable timing and maybe nitrous can change things fast.
Hot dog on the track.

My RSX-S is a mix of characteristics, as any car is. It ain't slow and it
ain't particularly fast. I prefer the hatchback, a stick, a small car and a
fairly tight suspension. I like a WRX and find the STI with European tune
to be verrrry interesting. Also the EVO VII (sans air conditioner!).

For my driving I get 29.5 MPG, which is pretty respectable, and Honda
reliability and long life. For beating cars I have a ZRX if I am in a bad
mood. Zero to 60 in 3 seconds amuses even me. We all need at least 4
vehicles, anyway.

Me

RSX-S
ZRX 1200R
F350 7.3 TurboVan

Acura God

> That's why girls like Mustang GTs--they get their thrill in beating the
boy
> racers with less money to put into a car.

Hey!!! I am a guy who likes my Mustang GT!!

David Short
Acura God

Acura God

"Tony Hwang" <dragon40@shaw.ca> wrote in message
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> Hmmm,
> So basically they don't know how to drive in the snow which means
> POOR drivers. Don't blame the cars no matter what kind it is.
> With common sense and skill any car can handle any road condition.
> main reason idiots get into trouble including killing their cars and
> themselves is trying to go fast when condtions won't allow it.
I am not a poor driver but the Mustang is a challenge to drive in the snow.
That is why I drive my 4x4 Suburban in the winter. I had a 1980 Turbo Cobra
Mustang that was horrible when it came to traction in the snow. Probably
those TRX tire/wheels or then again maybe I was a horrible driver in the
80's when I was in my early 20's and had a lead foot and no fear!

David Short
Acura God

simpleton

no, the trx package was awful........put the car on real snows and there is
zero drama.
"Acura God" <djshort@NOSPAMlightbound.com> wrote in message
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>
> "Tony Hwang" <dragon40@shaw.ca> wrote in message
> news:3F01177F.7060002@shaw.ca...
> > Hmmm,
> > So basically they don't know how to drive in the snow which means
> > POOR drivers. Don't blame the cars no matter what kind it is.
> > With common sense and skill any car can handle any road condition.
> > main reason idiots get into trouble including killing their cars and
> > themselves is trying to go fast when condtions won't allow it.
> I am not a poor driver but the Mustang is a challenge to drive in the
snow.
> That is why I drive my 4x4 Suburban in the winter. I had a 1980 Turbo
Cobra
> Mustang that was horrible when it came to traction in the snow. Probably
> those TRX tire/wheels or then again maybe I was a horrible driver in the
> 80's when I was in my early 20's and had a lead foot and no fear!
>
> David Short
> Acura God
>
>
>