Polfus

"Hachiroku 繝上メ繝繧ｯ" <Trueno@ae86.GTS> wrote

> Tell that to all the people that came in with sludged Toyota engines.
>
> They didn't follow the MFG's reccomendation.
>
> Some of the ones that did had minimal sludging, but most of them were
> using oil.
>
> The ones that changed the oil every 3,000 miles had no sludge.

Well...that pretty much says it all.

Peace,
Polfus

hachiroku +O+A+m+/

On Sun, 18 May 2008 21:38:28 -0700, jim beam wrote:

> Hachiroku 繝上メ繝繧ｯ wrote:
>> On Sun, 18 May 2008 21:00:44 -0700, jim beam wrote:
>>
>>>>> 2. contamination is a fact.
>>>>> deal with it. contamination causes early failure. if yours
>>>>> haven't yet,
>>>>> it's good engineering, and certainly not /because/ of this
>>>>> stupidity.
>>>> This is coming from someone who only does an oil change every 12,000
>>>> miles?!?!?
>>> a-n-a-l-y-s-i-s. you should get some. and for your oil.
>>
>>
>> It's still cheaper to change the oil.
>>
>>
>>
> but i did the math for you. $37.50 is not more expensive than $60.00.

But my time is worth $35 an hour.

It's easier to change the oil than fart around.
Write back when you start following Manufacturer's reccomendations...

hachiroku +O+A+m+/

On Thu, 15 May 2008 21:45:05 -0500, Joe wrote:

> On 2008-05-15, SMS <scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote:
>
>> Recreational oil changing is pretty wasteful. All the experts agree
>> that there is no additional benefit to the engine from changing the oil
>> that often.
>
> I try to change the oil whenever I fill the gas tank. You just can't be
> too careful...

Gil comes limping into the parking lot in a 'vintage' Mustang, engine
running hard but barely moving. Wanted to know what was wrong with her
car.

After checking the battery, alternator, etc, we pulled the dipstick. Oil
was well above the 'full' mark, and with a bright light we could see oil
in the dipstick tube.

"When did you last change your oil?"
"I don't remember, but I just had a quart put in yesterday."

Turns out, whenever she added gas to the tank, she also had them throw in
a quart of oil. Don't know where she was going for gas, but if they
weren't looking at the dipstick, I'd get my gas elsewhere...

jim beam

hachiroku 繝上メ繝繧ｯ wrote:
> On Sun, 18 May 2008 21:38:28 -0700, jim beam wrote:
>
>> Hachiroku 繝上メ繝繧ｯ wrote:
>>> On Sun, 18 May 2008 21:00:44 -0700, jim beam wrote:
>>>
>>>>>> 2. contamination is a fact.
>>>>>> deal with it. contamination causes early failure. if yours
>>>>>> haven't yet,
>>>>>> it's good engineering, and certainly not /because/ of this
>>>>>> stupidity.
>>>>> This is coming from someone who only does an oil change every 12,000
>>>>> miles?!?!?
>>>> a-n-a-l-y-s-i-s. you should get some. and for your oil.
>>>
>>> It's still cheaper to change the oil.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>> but i did the math for you. $37.50 is not more expensive than $60.00.
>
> But my time is worth $35 an hour.

er, that makes the math worse, not better.



>
> It's easier to change the oil than fart around.

translation: because you don't know what you're doing, you /prefer/ to
fart around.



> Write back when you start following Manufacturer's reccomendations...

manufacturers use a-n-a-l-y-s-i-s. you can too.

Hachiroku $B%O%A%m%/(B

On Mon, 19 May 2008 19:56:06 -0700, jim beam wrote:

>>
>> But my time is worth $35 an hour.
>
> er, that makes the math worse, not better.

I don't work Saruday mornings.
>
>
>
>
>> It's easier to change the oil than fart around.
>
> translation: because you don't know what you're doing, you /prefer/ to
> fart around.

No, because I know what I'm doing, I change my own oil and have a look
around while I'm doing it.

>
>
>
>> Write back when you start following Manufacturer's reccomendations...
>
> manufacturers use a-n-a-l-y-s-i-s. you can too.


Manufacturers give you an o-w-n-e-r's m-a-n-u-a-l. Read it and follow
reccomendations.

Obviously, their a-n-a-l-y-s-i-s has shown that oil needs to be changed at
7,500, but dweebs like you disregard it and cry about sludged engines.

Twerp.

jim beam

Hachiroku 繝上メ繝繧ｯ wrote:
> On Mon, 19 May 2008 19:56:06 -0700, jim beam wrote:
>
>>> But my time is worth $35 an hour.
>> er, that makes the math worse, not better.
>
> I don't work Saruday mornings.
>>
>>
>>
>>> It's easier to change the oil than fart around.
>> translation: because you don't know what you're doing, you /prefer/ to
>> fart around.
>
> No, because I know what I'm doing, I change my own oil and have a look
> around while I'm doing it.
>
>>
>>
>>> Write back when you start following Manufacturer's reccomendations...
>> manufacturers use a-n-a-l-y-s-i-s. you can too.
>
>
> Manufacturers give you an o-w-n-e-r's m-a-n-u-a-l. Read it and follow
> reccomendations.
>
> Obviously, their a-n-a-l-y-s-i-s has shown that oil needs to be changed at
> 7,500, but dweebs like you disregard it and cry about sludged engines.
>
> Twerp.
>
>

dude, hate to break it to you, but there's no pride in being stupid.
back in the day, manufacturers used analysis to determine an average
schedule. some will be over, most under. some /way/ under. my bulk
mileage is freeway. as such, my oil has a real easy time. and thus,
analysis shows i can extend my interval. so i do!

ever noticed how modern service monitors don't have fixed oil change
intervals any more? that's because the engine computer registers
driving conditions and adjusts the change interval reminder accordingly.
and that computer is programmed based on the a-n-a-l-y-s-i-s the
development team did in testing! real freakin' easy.

hachiroku +O+A+m+/

On Mon, 19 May 2008 21:29:12 -0700, jim beam wrote:


>> Manufacturers give you an o-w-n-e-r's m-a-n-u-a-l. Read it and follow
>> reccomendations.
>>
>> Obviously, their a-n-a-l-y-s-i-s has shown that oil needs to be changed
>> at 7,500, but dweebs like you disregard it and cry about sludged
>> engines.
>>
>> Twerp.
>>
>>
>>
> dude, hate to break it to you, but there's no pride in being stupid.

And yet you keep coming back and showing us just how bad you are.

> back in the day, manufacturers used analysis to determine an average
> schedule. some will be over, most under. some /way/ under. my bulk
> mileage is freeway.

So is mine.

> as such, my oil has a real easy time. and thus,
> analysis shows i can extend my interval. so i do!

Good for you.

Considering what a hard time you gave me trying to reccomend something
someone should do to prolong the life of his car, and pointing out over
and over "But the manual doesn't say that!!" I think you should have a
good look at the manual yourself. The 7,500 mile oil change
reccomendation is for 'average' driving. I'm sure if you look they'll
have another, tighter regulation for 'severe' driving. Which means you
should be following the 'average' reccomendation.

Like I said, cheap insurance.

jim beam

hachiroku 繝上メ繝繧ｯ wrote:
> On Mon, 19 May 2008 21:29:12 -0700, jim beam wrote:
>
>
>>> Manufacturers give you an o-w-n-e-r's m-a-n-u-a-l. Read it and follow
>>> reccomendations.
>>>
>>> Obviously, their a-n-a-l-y-s-i-s has shown that oil needs to be changed
>>> at 7,500, but dweebs like you disregard it and cry about sludged
>>> engines.
>>>
>>> Twerp.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>> dude, hate to break it to you, but there's no pride in being stupid.
>
> And yet you keep coming back and showing us just how bad you are.

oooh, i'm "bad". sounds sexy! is that sexier than being stupid? oh,
wait, stupid is just stupid. my bad.



>
>> back in the day, manufacturers used analysis to determine an average
>> schedule. some will be over, most under. some /way/ under. my bulk
>> mileage is freeway.
>
> So is mine.
>
>> as such, my oil has a real easy time. and thus,
>> analysis shows i can extend my interval. so i do!
>
> Good for you.
>
> Considering what a hard time you gave me trying to reccomend something
> someone should do to prolong the life of his car,

translation: "propagating baseless drivel with no rationale except
ignorance and superstition dating from the 1950's."


> and pointing out over
> and over "But the manual doesn't say that!!"

but you're the guy ignoring the manual!


> I think you should have a
> good look at the manual yourself. The 7,500 mile oil change
> reccomendation is for 'average' driving. I'm sure if you look they'll
> have another, tighter regulation for 'severe' driving. Which means you
> should be following the 'average' reccomendation.

so you fill the gas tank when you feel like it? how about change the
tires? no, you fill the tank when the gauge says so, and you change
tires when the treads are worn. well, that's what /i/ do with oil,
based on what analysis has informed me. a MEASURED quantity is better
than superstitious crap any day.


>
> Like I said, cheap insurance.

no, it's an excuse for being ignorant.

Hachiroku $B%O%A%m%/(B

On Tue, 20 May 2008 19:48:44 -0700, jim beam wrote:

>> and pointing out over
>> and over "But the manual doesn't say that!!"
>
> but you're the guy ignoring the manual!

By changing the oil more frequently, not waiting until it's borderline
sludge...


>
>
>> I think you should have a
>> good look at the manual yourself. The 7,500 mile oil change
>> reccomendation is for 'average' driving. I'm sure if you look they'll
>> have another, tighter regulation for 'severe' driving. Which means you
>> should be following the 'average' reccomendation.
>
> so you fill the gas tank when you feel like it? how about change the
> tires? no, you fill the tank when the gauge says so, and you change tires
> when the treads are worn. well, that's what /i/ do with oil, based on
> what analysis has informed me. a MEASURED quantity is better than
> superstitious crap any day.

How often do you do an analysis? Every change?
I'll stick to the manual. The recommendation for severe driving. Works for
me.

jim beam

Hachiroku 繝上メ繝繧ｯ wrote:
> On Tue, 20 May 2008 19:48:44 -0700, jim beam wrote:
>
>>> and pointing out over
>>> and over "But the manual doesn't say that!!"
>> but you're the guy ignoring the manual!
>
> By changing the oil more frequently, not waiting until it's borderline
> sludge...

pure unadulterated ignorance.


>
>
>>
>>> I think you should have a
>>> good look at the manual yourself. The 7,500 mile oil change
>>> reccomendation is for 'average' driving. I'm sure if you look they'll
>>> have another, tighter regulation for 'severe' driving. Which means you
>>> should be following the 'average' reccomendation.
>> so you fill the gas tank when you feel like it? how about change the
>> tires? no, you fill the tank when the gauge says so, and you change tires
>> when the treads are worn. well, that's what /i/ do with oil, based on
>> what analysis has informed me. a MEASURED quantity is better than
>> superstitious crap any day.
>
> How often do you do an analysis? Every change?

i already told you. pay attention.


> I'll stick to the manual.

but you don't!!!


> The recommendation for severe driving.

but yours is not "severe". and crashing isn't a strain on your oil.


> Works for
> me.

any elephants in your fridge?