Re: TOTAL Loss of Oil: Car is OK...for now, anyway
 

Hi - That's the second time someone has advised me to think about
changing the belts post my oil mishap. I'll at least have my mechanic
check the existing ones, and I'll certainly replace if necessary.
Regarding the quality issue, I have been in the western Toronto area
for three years with both my '92 and '04 accords, and have had a
thorough anti-rust oil spray on both vehicles every fall...so far with
no problems. Of course, you are only ninety minutes south of here but
you guys get a LOT more snow with that menacing lake just to the
north. Anyway, I'm glad to hear you affirm the quality of the newer
cars - that makes me feel a bit better about my '04. - Paul

>
>If you were hearing a squeal, you may very well have gotten oil on the belt.
>It might be worthwhile to replace it if it continues.
>
>As for the quality, my opinion is the opposite. I always stayed away from
>Hondas and Toyotas in the past, because while they had a good reputation,
>they felt very cheap to me. Very lightweight, and many were just cheap
>looking.
>
>The new ones seem to have maintained exceptional quality in the engine
>components, while also beefing up the car to feel more sound. Note: The
>old ones may have been sound, but they didn't look or feel it to me, and
>that matters.
>
>Also, the older ones seemed to rust pretty quickly in my northern climate
>(Buffalo, NY) from the salt, etc. I have seen very few Hondas or Toyotas
>from 2000+ that were showing any appreciable rust, unless they had been in
>a crash.

Re: TOTAL Loss of Oil: Car is OK...for now, anyway
 

On Wed, 18 Apr 2007 07:17:07 -0400, "G-Man" <g_foreman@yahoo.com>
wrote:

>I am using AMSOIL XL7500 Oil, and Honda Filters. The filters are about
>$4-$6.
>
>G-Man

One more question, G-Man...would it be OK to use the Amsoil synthetic
on my '92 accord, or should I stay with dino? I've heard about the
possibility of seals leaking with full synthetics on older vehicles,
and I had the cam seals on this car replaced a few months ago due to
leaks so I just want to make sure. Thanks. - Paul

Re: TOTAL Loss of Oil: Car is OK...for now, anyway
 

On Wed, 18 Apr 2007 05:59:03 -0700, "Michael Pardee"
<michaeltnull@cybertrails.com> wrote:

>"Thom" <thomcasey@gmail.com> wrote in message
>news:1176832701.700244.96830@q75g2000hsh.googlegr oups.com...
>> There isnt anything wqrong with Lucas additives. Racers trust them in
>> their mega expensive motors, it will be fine in yours. It works great
>> in older engines, as does the Tranny additive. 16oz of tranny
>> additive got me an extra 40K out of my F150, though I wouldnt try it
>> in a HOnda tranny, it is guaranteed.
>>
>> Lucas isn't ablte to sponsor an NFL Stadium because he sells junk.
>> They have been selling in the US forever.
>>
>>
>I've had great results with Lucas auto tranny additive in a 20 year old
>Volvo but haven't tried any oil additives.
>
>Lucas has a spotty reputation in hardware, though. The tale that Brits drink
>warm beer because they have Lucas refrigerators is still good for a chuckle.
>Having had a British Leyland car with Lucas electrics I can relate!
>
>Mike

Interesting. My '92 accord has that "zone" thing with the
transmission, where it just seems to get stuck and delay shifting. So
I thought about using the lucas transmission fix but am still learning
more at this point. Do you happen to know anything about the "Auto RX"
tranny fix? Trying to determine if it's really helpful or just a bunch
of hype. If I knew for sure it was safe I might try it. Thanks. -
Paul.

Re: TOTAL Loss of Oil: Car is OK...for now, anyway
 

Paul S wrote:
>
> I hope this is OK, but I also added about 16 ounces of Lucas
> synthtetic oil stabilizer.

Use a quality oil and stay away from the snake oil additives.

Re: TOTAL Loss of Oil: Car is OK...for now, anyway
 

It won't cause leaks. BUT, if you have a leak, it will be worse with the
Synthetic.

I'm using it in my '96 with 185k on it. No leaks!

I have a lot of Hondas,
06 EX-V6 NAV (mine)
06 EX-V6 6-Spd (#2 sons)
05 Pilot (wifes)
05 Accord LX 4-Cyl (#1 sons)
'95 Accord LX 4-Cyl (mine too!)

All are using synthetic. I do all the std. maintenance myself. About the
only thing I let someone else do is timing belt and water pump. I could
probaby do it, but it takes time.

G-Man

"Paul S" <pauls@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:u9cc2390hd4f4nefioqsrlirtlqjl09t8a@4ax.com...
> On Wed, 18 Apr 2007 07:17:07 -0400, "G-Man" <g_foreman@yahoo.com>
> wrote:
>
>>I am using AMSOIL XL7500 Oil, and Honda Filters. The filters are about
>>$4-$6.
>>
>>G-Man
>
> One more question, G-Man...would it be OK to use the Amsoil synthetic
> on my '92 accord, or should I stay with dino? I've heard about the
> possibility of seals leaking with full synthetics on older vehicles,
> and I had the cam seals on this car replaced a few months ago due to
> leaks so I just want to make sure. Thanks. - Paul
>
>

Re: TOTAL Loss of Oil: Car is OK...for now, anyway
 

On Wed, 18 Apr 2007 15:14:56 GMT, John Horner <jthorner@yahoo.com>
wrote:

>Paul S wrote:
>>
>> I hope this is OK, but I also added about 16 ounces of Lucas
>> synthtetic oil stabilizer.
>
>Use a quality oil and stay away from the snake oil additives.


"snake" oil additives.....very amusing. - Paul

Re: TOTAL Loss of Oil: Car is OK...for now, anyway
 

On Wed, 18 Apr 2007 11:15:20 -0400, "G-Man" <g_foreman@yahoo.com>
wrote:

>It won't cause leaks. BUT, if you have a leak, it will be worse with the
>Synthetic.
>
>I'm using it in my '96 with 185k on it. No leaks!
>
>I have a lot of Hondas,
>06 EX-V6 NAV (mine)
>06 EX-V6 6-Spd (#2 sons)
>05 Pilot (wifes)
>05 Accord LX 4-Cyl (#1 sons)
>'95 Accord LX 4-Cyl (mine too!)
>
>All are using synthetic. I do all the std. maintenance myself. About the
>only thing I let someone else do is timing belt and water pump. I could
>probaby do it, but it takes time.
>
>G-Man

Alright, G-Man....you are the "man", so to speak, so I'll try
synthetic in my '92. Thanks again. - Paul.

Re: TOTAL Loss of Oil: Car is OK...for now, anyway
 

Paul S wrote:

> On Wed, 18 Apr 2007 07:17:07 -0400, "G-Man" <g_foreman@yahoo.com>
> wrote:
>
>
>>I am using AMSOIL XL7500 Oil, and Honda Filters. The filters are about
>>$4-$6.
>>
>>G-Man
>
>
> One more question, G-Man...would it be OK to use the Amsoil synthetic
> on my '92 accord, or should I stay with dino? I've heard about the
> possibility of seals leaking with full synthetics on older vehicles,
> and I had the cam seals on this car replaced a few months ago due to
> leaks so I just want to make sure. Thanks. - Paul
>
>


As has been stated here previously by JB, Amsoil is NOT a full synthetic.

Redline IS as well as one one other rather obscure brand. I use Redline
products with great results but there is a risk of leakage with older
engines due to different formulations for seal "softening."

Dino oils in engines is fine so long as you select a good brand and
change the fluid regularly such as every 5K (miles) or so.
Just stay away fro penzoyle and kwaker state...

JT

Re: TOTAL Loss of Oil: Car is OK...for now, anyway
 

Paul S wrote:

> On Wed, 18 Apr 2007 05:59:03 -0700, "Michael Pardee"
> <michaeltnull@cybertrails.com> wrote:
>
>
>>"Thom" <thomcasey@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>news:1176832701.700244.96830@q75g2000hsh.googleg roups.com...
>>
>>>There isnt anything wqrong with Lucas additives. Racers trust them in
>>>their mega expensive motors, it will be fine in yours. It works great
>>>in older engines, as does the Tranny additive. 16oz of tranny
>>>additive got me an extra 40K out of my F150, though I wouldnt try it
>>>in a HOnda tranny, it is guaranteed.
>>>
>>>Lucas isn't ablte to sponsor an NFL Stadium because he sells junk.
>>>They have been selling in the US forever.
>>>
>>>
>>
>>I've had great results with Lucas auto tranny additive in a 20 year old
>>Volvo but haven't tried any oil additives.
>>
>>Lucas has a spotty reputation in hardware, though. The tale that Brits drink
>>warm beer because they have Lucas refrigerators is still good for a chuckle.
>>Having had a British Leyland car with Lucas electrics I can relate!
>>
>>Mike
>
>
> Interesting. My '92 accord has that "zone" thing with the
> transmission, where it just seems to get stuck and delay shifting. So
> I thought about using the lucas transmission fix but am still learning
> more at this point. Do you happen to know anything about the "Auto RX"
> tranny fix? Trying to determine if it's really helpful or just a bunch
> of hype. If I knew for sure it was safe I might try it. Thanks. -
> Paul.
>


The only auto tranny additive that I can state positive results about is
LubeGuard which you won't find in your typical autoparts store. It is
pricey and can be found at transmission parts suppliers though.

It is NOT a super lubricant but a stabilizer that effectively raises the
boiling point of standard dino tranny fluids. It is also a cleaner but
has NO value regarding stoppage of leaks.

A friend (who I went to high school with) that operated a tranny repair
shop for thirty five years turn me on to this stuff back in the late 1980's.

JT

Re: TOTAL Loss of Oil: Car is OK...for now, anyway
 

On Apr 18, 8:59 am, "Michael Pardee" <michaeltn...@cybertrails.com>
wrote:
> "Thom" <thomca...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> news:1176832701.700244.96830@q75g2000hsh.googlegro ups.com...> There isnt anything wqrong with Lucas additives. Racers trust them in
> > their mega expensive motors, it will be fine in yours. It works great
> > in older engines, as does the Tranny additive. 16oz of tranny
> > additive got me an extra 40K out of my F150, though I wouldnt try it
> > in a HOnda tranny, it is guaranteed.
>
> > Lucas isn't ablte to sponsor an NFL Stadium because he sells junk.
> > They have been selling in the US forever.
>
> I've had great results with Lucas auto tranny additive in a 20 year old
> Volvo but haven't tried any oil additives.
>
> Lucas has a spotty reputation in hardware, though. The tale that Brits drink
> warm beer because they have Lucas refrigerators is still good for a chuckle.
> Having had a British Leyland car with Lucas electrics I can relate!
>
> Mike

I believe they are different companies. Lucas Oil is an INdiana
company, not european. I wouldnt trust a fluid dealer for hardware.
Like asking the plumber to fix your computer.

Re: TOTAL Loss of Oil: Car is OK...for now, anyway
 

>The only auto tranny additive that I can state positive results about is
>LubeGuard which you won't find in your typical autoparts store. It is
>pricey and can be found at transmission parts suppliers though.
>
>It is NOT a super lubricant but a stabilizer that effectively raises the
>boiling point of standard dino tranny fluids. It is also a cleaner but
>has NO value regarding stoppage of leaks.
>
>A friend (who I went to high school with) that operated a tranny repair
>shop for thirty five years turn me on to this stuff back in the late 1980's.
>
>JT

Thank you....I will research this additive. The shift delay is getting
worse and worse all the time, and is just plain frustrating. But a
shot tranny from a bad additive would be mucho more frustrating.- Paul

Re: TOTAL Loss of Oil: Car is OK...for now, anyway
 

On Apr 17, 3:10 pm, "G-Man" <g_fore...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Paul,
>
> If it were me, after the next oil change after a 3K+ run, I'd send a sample
> to:
>
> http://www.blackstone-labs.com
>
> They will tell you how the engine is doing. I use their service. I only
> change my oil avery 7,500 miles, but I use Full Synthetic rated for that
> mileage.
>
> They will send you a free kit to collect and mail the sample.
>
> G-Man

I've had oil analysis on and off over the years. (Not with this
company). One problem is that different additive packages, etc. read
differently in the analysis, so you can get some odd readings and
false alarms on a one-shot test. For the best monitoring, you need to
do periodic testing, using the same oil all the time, to get a
baseline so that you can see when something changes.

Re: TOTAL Loss of Oil: Car is OK...for now, anyway
 

On Apr 17, 3:10 pm, "G-Man" <g_fore...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Paul,
>
> If it were me, after the next oil change after a 3K+ run, I'd send a sample
> to:
>
> http://www.blackstone-labs.com
>
> They will tell you how the engine is doing. I use their service. I only
> change my oil avery 7,500 miles, but I use Full Synthetic rated for that
> mileage.
>
> They will send you a free kit to collect and mail the sample.
>
> G-Man

I've had oil analysis on and off over the years. (Not with this
company). One problem is that different additive packages, etc. read
differently in the analysis, so you can get some odd readings and
false alarms on a one-shot test. For the best monitoring, you need to
do periodic testing, using the same oil all the time, to get a
baseline so that you can see when something changes.

Re: TOTAL Loss of Oil: Car is OK...for now, anyway
 

On Apr 18, 11:00 am, Paul S <p...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> On Wed, 18 Apr 2007 07:17:07 -0400, "G-Man" <g_fore...@yahoo.com>
> wrote:
>
> >I am using AMSOIL XL7500 Oil, and Honda Filters. The filters are about
> >$4-$6.
>
> >G-Man
>
> One more question, G-Man...would it be OK to use the Amsoil synthetic
> on my '92 accord, or should I stay with dino? I've heard about the
> possibility of seals leaking with full synthetics on older vehicles,
> and I had the cam seals on this car replaced a few months ago due to
> leaks so I just want to make sure. Thanks. - Paul

I switched my previous car, a Mistubishi 2.6 liter, to Mobil One, and
the cam cover seal began oozing oil and I could never get it to stop
totally, even with new gasket. Not enough to discourage me, though.
But with Honda engines, they seem to stay tight even with synthetic,
at old age.

Re: TOTAL Loss of Oil: Car is OK...for now, anyway
 

On Apr 18, 11:00 am, Paul S <p...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> On Wed, 18 Apr 2007 07:17:07 -0400, "G-Man" <g_fore...@yahoo.com>
> wrote:
>
> >I am using AMSOIL XL7500 Oil, and Honda Filters. The filters are about
> >$4-$6.
>
> >G-Man
>
> One more question, G-Man...would it be OK to use the Amsoil synthetic
> on my '92 accord, or should I stay with dino? I've heard about the
> possibility of seals leaking with full synthetics on older vehicles,
> and I had the cam seals on this car replaced a few months ago due to
> leaks so I just want to make sure. Thanks. - Paul

I switched my previous car, a Mistubishi 2.6 liter, to Mobil One, and
the cam cover seal began oozing oil and I could never get it to stop
totally, even with new gasket. Not enough to discourage me, though.
But with Honda engines, they seem to stay tight even with synthetic,
at old age.