Re: Why does the auto industry turn out such crap??
 

On Jan 24, 11:04 pm, "Speeders & Drunk Drivers are MURDERERS"
<xeton2...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Tail light burned out and i had to remove the lens. 4 screws - two of them
> were philips-head and no problem. But the other two had those stupid hex
> sockets. Now i have some hex head wrenches but a lot of people don't and
> would have been stopped right there. To make it worse the sockets were a
> tiny 3/32 and so i just about twisted the tool in half getting the screws
> out.
>
> Why not just use PH for all 4 screws???

The American car makers have been doing things like this for as long
as can be remembered. They did it for a reason - so that the
consumers who use their products throw their hands up in disgust and
have to go to auto shops to get such rudimentary work done. Women are
particularly susceptable to the horrid situations such as you have
described.

Those car makers have also engaged in planned obsolence of their
products - delivering cars that only get about 100,000 miles for their
life cycle as opposed to the 150,000 or so delivered by the foreign
automakers like Nissan, Toyota, and Honda.

The American automakers have also been in collusion with the oil
companies by not having their products deliver higher miles per
gallon. The foreign automakers have done so, and that is a great
reason, along with the ones given above, that the American automakers
have found themselves in the position they are in now - even after
they have found themselves in that position before.

There is a car maker in Italy which produces a car that gets 147 miles
per gallon. Sure, it does not have all of the pollution control
mechanisms that are required in the US, but then again the cars do not
produce a lot of pollution.

And, because of the role that lobbyists have in our society -
protecting their employers at the great expense of the American
people, the American people have been shafted by the domestic
automakers.

One further point to be considered is when the domestic car
manufacturers started offshoring the manufacturing of their
automobiles to 3rd world countries such as Canada and Mexico there was
not any reduction in the price of the products.

So the American automakers have continually dug themselves deeper and
deeper holes since the early 1970s, when Toyota and Volkswagen started
to clean their clocks due to their insouciance and insolence.

Let them fail - they deserve it!

Re: Why does the auto industry turn out such crap??
 

On Jan 25, 1:34 am, cake_and_eat_it_...@yahoo.com wrote:

> The American automakers have also been in collusion with the oil
> companies by not having their products deliver higher miles per
> gallon. !

And with the government, less MPG means more fuel taxes collected.

Re: Why does the auto industry turn out such crap??
 

<cake_and_eat_it_too@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:75a7131d-67d6-434a-b606-821a1ef155bf@x37g2000yqj.googlegroups.com...
> Those car makers have also engaged in planned obsolence of their
> products - delivering cars that only get about 100,000 miles for their
> life cycle as opposed to the 150,000 or so delivered by the foreign
> automakers like Nissan, Toyota, and Honda.

you are so full of it that it is coming out of your ears. i know of more
american made vehicles with over 300,000 miles on them than i do of foreign
made vehicles with 150,000 miles on them still driving on the roads.

> The American automakers have also been in collusion with the oil
> companies by not having their products deliver higher miles per
> gallon. The foreign automakers have done so, and that is a great
> reason, along with the ones given above, that the American automakers have
> found themselves in the position they are in now - even after they have
> found themselves in that position before.

again. you are full of it.
i laugh at the honda commercials where they claim their sardine can car gets
"an amazing 21mpg average"
my full size ford crown victoria gets a lousy average 24mpg, and with the
cruise set at 60mpg, it consistantly gets over 30mpg on long highway runs
with 4 adults in it.


> There is a car maker in Italy which produces a car that gets 147 miles per
> gallon.
again you are full of it.
the only way a car can get 147 mpg is if the engine is turned off, and it
is falling down a very tall mountain. .

> And, because of the role that lobbyists have in our society -
> protecting their employers at the great expense of the American
> people, the American people have been shafted by the domestic
> automakers.

again, you are full of it.
the american people are being shafted by themselves. if they would not buy
foreign junk, there would not be any problem
>
> One further point to be considered is when the domestic car
> manufacturers started offshoring the manufacturing of their
> automobiles to 3rd world countries such as Canada and Mexico there was not
> any reduction in the price of the products.

now you are just plain friggin stupid.
Mexico and Canada are not "3rd world countries"

So the American automakers have continually dug themselves deeper and
deeper holes since the early 1970s, when Toyota and Volkswagen started to
clean their clocks due to their insouciance and insolence.

again, you are an idiot.

the American automakers are failing because of idiots like you who would
rather buy foreign junk.

Re: Why does the auto industry turn out such crap??
 

When did Canada become a 3rd world country.
I guess you bought junk. so live with it...
<cake_and_eat_it_too@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:75a7131d-67d6-434a-b606-821a1ef155bf@x37g2000yqj.googlegroups.com...
> On Jan 24, 11:04 pm, "Speeders & Drunk Drivers are MURDERERS"
> <xeton2...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> Tail light burned out and i had to remove the lens. 4 screws - two of
>> them
>> were philips-head and no problem. But the other two had those stupid hex
>> sockets. Now i have some hex head wrenches but a lot of people don't and
>> would have been stopped right there. To make it worse the sockets were
>> a
>> tiny 3/32 and so i just about twisted the tool in half getting the screws
>> out.
>>
>> Why not just use PH for all 4 screws???
>
> The American car makers have been doing things like this for as long
> as can be remembered. They did it for a reason - so that the
> consumers who use their products throw their hands up in disgust and
> have to go to auto shops to get such rudimentary work done. Women are
> particularly susceptable to the horrid situations such as you have
> described.
>
> Those car makers have also engaged in planned obsolence of their
> products - delivering cars that only get about 100,000 miles for their
> life cycle as opposed to the 150,000 or so delivered by the foreign
> automakers like Nissan, Toyota, and Honda.
>
> The American automakers have also been in collusion with the oil
> companies by not having their products deliver higher miles per
> gallon. The foreign automakers have done so, and that is a great
> reason, along with the ones given above, that the American automakers
> have found themselves in the position they are in now - even after
> they have found themselves in that position before.
>
> There is a car maker in Italy which produces a car that gets 147 miles
> per gallon. Sure, it does not have all of the pollution control
> mechanisms that are required in the US, but then again the cars do not
> produce a lot of pollution.
>
> And, because of the role that lobbyists have in our society -
> protecting their employers at the great expense of the American
> people, the American people have been shafted by the domestic
> automakers.
>
> One further point to be considered is when the domestic car
> manufacturers started offshoring the manufacturing of their
> automobiles to 3rd world countries such as Canada and Mexico there was
> not any reduction in the price of the products.
>
> So the American automakers have continually dug themselves deeper and
> deeper holes since the early 1970s, when Toyota and Volkswagen started
> to clean their clocks due to their insouciance and insolence.
>
> Let them fail - they deserve it!

Re: Why does the auto industry turn out such crap??
 

"Tom" <tjctransport@optonline.net> wrote in message
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>
> <cake_and_eat_it_too@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:75a7131d-67d6-434a-b606-821a1ef155bf@x37g2000yqj.googlegroups.com...
>> Those car makers have also engaged in planned obsolence of their
>> products - delivering cars that only get about 100,000 miles for their
>> life cycle as opposed to the 150,000 or so delivered by the foreign
>> automakers like Nissan, Toyota, and Honda.
>
> you are so full of it that it is coming out of your ears. i know of more
> american made vehicles with over 300,000 miles on them than i do of
> foreign made vehicles with 150,000 miles on them still driving on the
> roads.
>

You are the one full of it. I know of far more Japanese cars with 200,000
on them than I do American cars that crossed the 100,000 mile mark.

Sir Charles the Curmudgeon

Re: Why does the auto industry turn out such crap??
 

"kevin" <powershot80@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> When did Canada become a 3rd world country.

Dunno, but America became a third world country on 20 January 2009.

Sir Charles the Curmudgeon

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<cake_and_eat_it_too@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> On Jan 24, 11:04 pm, "Speeders & Drunk Drivers are MURDERERS"
> <xeton2...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> Tail light burned out and i had to remove the lens. 4 screws - two of
>> them
>> were philips-head and no problem. But the other two had those stupid hex
>> sockets. Now i have some hex head wrenches but a lot of people don't and
>> would have been stopped right there. To make it worse the sockets were
>> a
>> tiny 3/32 and so i just about twisted the tool in half getting the screws
>> out.
>>
>> Why not just use PH for all 4 screws???
>
> The American car makers have been doing things like this for as long
> as can be remembered. They did it for a reason - so that the
> consumers who use their products throw their hands up in disgust and
> have to go to auto shops to get such rudimentary work done. Women are
> particularly susceptable to the horrid situations such as you have
> described.
>
> Those car makers have also engaged in planned obsolence of their
> products - delivering cars that only get about 100,000 miles for their
> life cycle as opposed to the 150,000 or so delivered by the foreign
> automakers like Nissan, Toyota, and Honda.
>
> The American automakers have also been in collusion with the oil
> companies by not having their products deliver higher miles per
> gallon. The foreign automakers have done so, and that is a great
> reason, along with the ones given above, that the American automakers
> have found themselves in the position they are in now - even after
> they have found themselves in that position before.
>
> There is a car maker in Italy which produces a car that gets 147 miles
> per gallon. Sure, it does not have all of the pollution control
> mechanisms that are required in the US, but then again the cars do not
> produce a lot of pollution.
>
> And, because of the role that lobbyists have in our society -
> protecting their employers at the great expense of the American
> people, the American people have been shafted by the domestic
> automakers.
>
> One further point to be considered is when the domestic car
> manufacturers started offshoring the manufacturing of their
> automobiles to 3rd world countries such as Canada and Mexico there was
> not any reduction in the price of the products.
>
> So the American automakers have continually dug themselves deeper and
> deeper holes since the early 1970s, when Toyota and Volkswagen started
> to clean their clocks due to their insouciance and insolence.
>
> Let them fail - they deserve it!

Re: Why does the auto industry turn out such crap??
 

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"Siskuwihane" <Siskuwihane1@gmail.com> wrote in message
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On Jan 25, 1:34 am, cake_and_eat_it_...@yahoo.com wrote:

> The American automakers have also been in collusion with the oil
> companies by not having their products deliver higher miles per
> gallon. !

And with the government, less MPG means more fuel taxes collected.

Re: Why does the auto industry turn out such crap??
 

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"Tom" <tjctransport@optonline.net> wrote in message
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>
> <cake_and_eat_it_too@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:75a7131d-67d6-434a-b606-821a1ef155bf@x37g2000yqj.googlegroups.com...
>> Those car makers have also engaged in planned obsolence of their
>> products - delivering cars that only get about 100,000 miles for their
>> life cycle as opposed to the 150,000 or so delivered by the foreign
>> automakers like Nissan, Toyota, and Honda.
>
> you are so full of it that it is coming out of your ears. i know of more
> american made vehicles with over 300,000 miles on them than i do of
> foreign made vehicles with 150,000 miles on them still driving on the
> roads.
>
>> The American automakers have also been in collusion with the oil
>> companies by not having their products deliver higher miles per
>> gallon. The foreign automakers have done so, and that is a great
>> reason, along with the ones given above, that the American automakers
>> have found themselves in the position they are in now - even after they
>> have found themselves in that position before.
>
> again. you are full of it.
> i laugh at the honda commercials where they claim their sardine can car
> gets "an amazing 21mpg average"
> my full size ford crown victoria gets a lousy average 24mpg, and with the
> cruise set at 60mpg, it consistantly gets over 30mpg on long highway runs
> with 4 adults in it.
>
>
>> There is a car maker in Italy which produces a car that gets 147 miles
>> per gallon.
> again you are full of it.
> the only way a car can get 147 mpg is if the engine is turned off, and it
> is falling down a very tall mountain. .
>
>> And, because of the role that lobbyists have in our society -
>> protecting their employers at the great expense of the American
>> people, the American people have been shafted by the domestic
>> automakers.
>
> again, you are full of it.
> the american people are being shafted by themselves. if they would not buy
> foreign junk, there would not be any problem
>>
>> One further point to be considered is when the domestic car
>> manufacturers started offshoring the manufacturing of their
>> automobiles to 3rd world countries such as Canada and Mexico there was
>> not any reduction in the price of the products.
>
> now you are just plain friggin stupid.
> Mexico and Canada are not "3rd world countries"
>
> So the American automakers have continually dug themselves deeper and
> deeper holes since the early 1970s, when Toyota and Volkswagen started to
> clean their clocks due to their insouciance and insolence.
>
> again, you are an idiot.
>
> the American automakers are failing because of idiots like you who would
> rather buy foreign junk.
>
>
>

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"kevin" <powershot80@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> When did Canada become a 3rd world country.
> I guess you bought junk. so live with it...
> <cake_and_eat_it_too@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:75a7131d-67d6-434a-b606-821a1ef155bf@x37g2000yqj.googlegroups.com...
>> On Jan 24, 11:04 pm, "Speeders & Drunk Drivers are MURDERERS"
>> <xeton2...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>> Tail light burned out and i had to remove the lens. 4 screws - two of
>>> them
>>> were philips-head and no problem. But the other two had those stupid
>>> hex
>>> sockets. Now i have some hex head wrenches but a lot of people don't
>>> and
>>> would have been stopped right there. To make it worse the sockets were
>>> a
>>> tiny 3/32 and so i just about twisted the tool in half getting the
>>> screws
>>> out.
>>>
>>> Why not just use PH for all 4 screws???
>>
>> The American car makers have been doing things like this for as long
>> as can be remembered. They did it for a reason - so that the
>> consumers who use their products throw their hands up in disgust and
>> have to go to auto shops to get such rudimentary work done. Women are
>> particularly susceptable to the horrid situations such as you have
>> described.
>>
>> Those car makers have also engaged in planned obsolence of their
>> products - delivering cars that only get about 100,000 miles for their
>> life cycle as opposed to the 150,000 or so delivered by the foreign
>> automakers like Nissan, Toyota, and Honda.
>>
>> The American automakers have also been in collusion with the oil
>> companies by not having their products deliver higher miles per
>> gallon. The foreign automakers have done so, and that is a great
>> reason, along with the ones given above, that the American automakers
>> have found themselves in the position they are in now - even after
>> they have found themselves in that position before.
>>
>> There is a car maker in Italy which produces a car that gets 147 miles
>> per gallon. Sure, it does not have all of the pollution control
>> mechanisms that are required in the US, but then again the cars do not
>> produce a lot of pollution.
>>
>> And, because of the role that lobbyists have in our society -
>> protecting their employers at the great expense of the American
>> people, the American people have been shafted by the domestic
>> automakers.
>>
>> One further point to be considered is when the domestic car
>> manufacturers started offshoring the manufacturing of their
>> automobiles to 3rd world countries such as Canada and Mexico there was
>> not any reduction in the price of the products.
>>
>> So the American automakers have continually dug themselves deeper and
>> deeper holes since the early 1970s, when Toyota and Volkswagen started
>> to clean their clocks due to their insouciance and insolence.
>>
>> Let them fail - they deserve it!
>

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"CharlesTheCurmudgeon" <n5hsr@comcast.net> wrote in message
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>
> "Tom" <tjctransport@optonline.net> wrote in message
> news:497c82b6$0$18023$607ed4bc@cv.net...
>>
>> <cake_and_eat_it_too@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>> news:75a7131d-67d6-434a-b606-821a1ef155bf@x37g2000yqj.googlegroups.com...
>>> Those car makers have also engaged in planned obsolence of their
>>> products - delivering cars that only get about 100,000 miles for their
>>> life cycle as opposed to the 150,000 or so delivered by the foreign
>>> automakers like Nissan, Toyota, and Honda.
>>
>> you are so full of it that it is coming out of your ears. i know of more
>> american made vehicles with over 300,000 miles on them than i do of
>> foreign made vehicles with 150,000 miles on them still driving on the
>> roads.
>>
>
> You are the one full of it. I know of far more Japanese cars with 200,000
> on them than I do American cars that crossed the 100,000 mile mark.
>
> Sir Charles the Curmudgeon
>

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"CharlesTheCurmudgeon" <n5hsr@comcast.net> wrote in message
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>
> "kevin" <powershot80@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:497c8423$0$5484$9a566e8b@news.aliant.net...
>> When did Canada become a 3rd world country.
>
> Dunno, but America became a third world country on 20 January 2009.
>
> Sir Charles the Curmudgeon
>

Re: Why does the auto industry turn out such crap??
 

On Jan 25, 1:34 am, cake_and_eat_it_...@yahoo.com wrote:
> On Jan 24, 11:04 pm, "Speeders & Drunk Drivers are MURDERERS"
>
> <xeton2...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > Tail light burned out and i had to remove the lens. 4 screws - two of them
> > were philips-head and no problem. But the other two had those stupidhex
> > sockets. Now i have some hex head wrenches but a lot of people don'tand
> > would have been stopped right there. To make it worse the sockets were a
> > tiny 3/32 and so i just about twisted the tool in half getting the screws
> > out.
>
> > Why not just use PH for all 4 screws???
>
> The American car makers have been doing things like this for as long
> as can be remembered. They did it for a reason - so that the
> consumers who use their products throw their hands up in disgust and
> have to go to auto shops to get such rudimentary work done. Women are
> particularly susceptable to the horrid situations such as you have
> described.
>
> Those car makers have also engaged in planned obsolence of their
> products - delivering cars that only get about 100,000 miles for their
> life cycle as opposed to the 150,000 or so delivered by the foreign
> automakers like Nissan, Toyota, and Honda.

And Ford, GM and Chrysler, too. A lot of these cars go well over
150,000 mi.

> The American automakers have also been in collusion with the oil
> companies by not having their products deliver higher miles per
> gallon.

Evidence, please.

> The foreign automakers have done so, and that is a great
> reason, along with the ones given above, that the American automakers
> have found themselves in the position they are in now - even after
> they have found themselves in that position before.
>
> There is a car maker in Italy which produces a car that gets 147 miles
> per gallon. Sure, it does not have all of the pollution control
> mechanisms that are required in the US, but then again the cars do not
> produce a lot of pollution.

That's an electric car. http://www.zapworld.com/ And it makes plenty
of pollution when the electricity is generated.

> And, because of the role that lobbyists have in our society -
> protecting their employers at the great expense of the American
> people, the American people have been shafted by the domestic
> automakers.

Wrong! They have been shafted by themselves for not punishing the law-
makers who listen to lobbyists and by not speaking up for themselves.

> One further point to be considered is when the domestic car
> manufacturers started offshoring the manufacturing of their
> automobiles to 3rd world countries such as Canada and Mexico there was
> not any reduction in the price of the products.

Really? The cost of automobiles, when adjusted for inflation, has been
pretty steady. And, today's cars have much more, like safety devices
and accessories (e.g., Ford's Sync, CD players).

> So the American automakers have continually dug themselves deeper and
> deeper holes since the early 1970s, when Toyota and Volkswagen started
> to clean their clocks due to their insouciance and insolence.
>
> Let them fail - they deserve it!

Re: Why does the auto industry turn out such crap??
 

Neither does yours.

"Mike Hunter" <mikehunt2@lycos/com> wrote in message
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> Your uninformed or misinformed comment does not deserve a reply
>
>
> "CharlesTheCurmudgeon" <n5hsr@comcast.net> wrote in message
> news:gli46n$c52$1@news.motzarella.org...
>>
>> "Tom" <tjctransport@optonline.net> wrote in message
>> news:497c82b6$0$18023$607ed4bc@cv.net...
>>>
>>> <cake_and_eat_it_too@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>>> news:75a7131d-67d6-434a-b606-821a1ef155bf@x37g2000yqj.googlegroups.com...
>>>> Those car makers have also engaged in planned obsolence of their
>>>> products - delivering cars that only get about 100,000 miles for their
>>>> life cycle as opposed to the 150,000 or so delivered by the foreign
>>>> automakers like Nissan, Toyota, and Honda.
>>>
>>> you are so full of it that it is coming out of your ears. i know of more
>>> american made vehicles with over 300,000 miles on them than i do of
>>> foreign made vehicles with 150,000 miles on them still driving on the
>>> roads.
>>>
>>
>> You are the one full of it. I know of far more Japanese cars with
>> 200,000 on them than I do American cars that crossed the 100,000 mile
>> mark.
>>
>> Sir Charles the Curmudgeon
>>
>
>

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"Jeff" <jeff.utz@gmail.com> wrote in message
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On Jan 25, 1:34 am, cake_and_eat_it_...@yahoo.com wrote:
> On Jan 24, 11:04 pm, "Speeders & Drunk Drivers are MURDERERS"
>
> <xeton2...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > Tail light burned out and i had to remove the lens. 4 screws - two of
> > them
> > were philips-head and no problem. But the other two had those stupid hex
> > sockets. Now i have some hex head wrenches but a lot of people don't and
> > would have been stopped right there. To make it worse the sockets were a
> > tiny 3/32 and so i just about twisted the tool in half getting the
> > screws
> > out.
>
> > Why not just use PH for all 4 screws???
>
> The American car makers have been doing things like this for as long
> as can be remembered. They did it for a reason - so that the
> consumers who use their products throw their hands up in disgust and
> have to go to auto shops to get such rudimentary work done. Women are
> particularly susceptable to the horrid situations such as you have
> described.
>
> Those car makers have also engaged in planned obsolence of their
> products - delivering cars that only get about 100,000 miles for their
> life cycle as opposed to the 150,000 or so delivered by the foreign
> automakers like Nissan, Toyota, and Honda.

And Ford, GM and Chrysler, too. A lot of these cars go well over
150,000 mi.

> The American automakers have also been in collusion with the oil
> companies by not having their products deliver higher miles per
> gallon.

Evidence, please.

> The foreign automakers have done so, and that is a great
> reason, along with the ones given above, that the American automakers
> have found themselves in the position they are in now - even after
> they have found themselves in that position before.
>
> There is a car maker in Italy which produces a car that gets 147 miles
> per gallon. Sure, it does not have all of the pollution control
> mechanisms that are required in the US, but then again the cars do not
> produce a lot of pollution.

That's an electric car. http://www.zapworld.com/ And it makes plenty
of pollution when the electricity is generated.

> And, because of the role that lobbyists have in our society -
> protecting their employers at the great expense of the American
> people, the American people have been shafted by the domestic
> automakers.

Wrong! They have been shafted by themselves for not punishing the law-
makers who listen to lobbyists and by not speaking up for themselves.

> One further point to be considered is when the domestic car
> manufacturers started offshoring the manufacturing of their
> automobiles to 3rd world countries such as Canada and Mexico there was
> not any reduction in the price of the products.

Really? The cost of automobiles, when adjusted for inflation, has been
pretty steady. And, today's cars have much more, like safety devices
and accessories (e.g., Ford's Sync, CD players).

> So the American automakers have continually dug themselves deeper and
> deeper holes since the early 1970s, when Toyota and Volkswagen started
> to clean their clocks due to their insouciance and insolence.
>
> Let them fail - they deserve it!

Re: Why does the auto industry turn out such crap??
 

On Jan 25, 11:31 am, "CharlesTheCurmudgeon"
>
> You are the one full of it. I know of far more Japanese cars with 200,000
> on them than I do American cars that crossed the 100,000 mile mark.
>
> Sir Charles the Curmudgeon

Couldn't get any of my 'merican cars to last much past the last
payment (60 months) ...when I used to buy them on credit. I'm a
former automotive technician. I think I'd know how to get the most out
of a vehicle if there is a 'most' to get... My 01 camry has 150k and
unless someone runs into me, I don't see a day when I'll need another
vehicle. It may out last me...

Re: Why does the auto industry turn out such crap??
 

you must not be a very good "automotive technician" then.
my 79 F250 4X4 has 213,000 miles on it, and still plows snow.
my 88 superduty 4X4 has 257,000 miles on it and still going strong.
my 02 superduty has only 153,000 miles on it so far.
my partners 2000 F350 has 257,000 miles on it, and it is just broke in.
the guy across the street has a 90 F150 with 215,000 miles on it, and it
still purrs too.
one of the kids down the street has 327,000 miles on his E150, and it still
looks like new.
one of my subcontractors has 6 trucks, the newest a 90 chevy C30, and they
all have over 300,000 miles on them, and still work every day.
i can give you another 40 or 50 to add to this list that i personally know
about with over 150,000 miles on them.
and every one of the above vehicles all still have the same engine and trans
that came from the factory.
now on the other side of the fence.
my niece had a toy yoda that had 2 engines blow before it has 100,000 on it.
it is now in the junk yard.
the neighbor next door to me bought a 2006 Camry. it has been back to the
dealer 8 times so far, and has less than 30,000 miles on it. as soon as the
warrantee is up it is gone.
across the street next door to the F150, they had 2 toy yodas, and 2 nissans
and a mazda that all blew up before they made 76,000 miles.
they now drive fords.

i have never seen a foreign made vehicle that made it over 100,000 miles
besides a few german made cars and a coulpe of hondas. and by the time the
hondas made 100,000 miles the bodys were falling off of them.

"in2dadark" <in2dadark@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:3200a6ef-bc08-4af4-8de9-2a8d93e3eb79@o40g2000prn.googlegroups.com...
On Jan 25, 11:31 am, "CharlesTheCurmudgeon"
>
> You are the one full of it. I know of far more Japanese cars with 200,000
> on them than I do American cars that crossed the 100,000 mile mark.
>
> Sir Charles the Curmudgeon

Couldn't get any of my 'merican cars to last much past the last
payment (60 months) ...when I used to buy them on credit. I'm a
former automotive technician. I think I'd know how to get the most out
of a vehicle if there is a 'most' to get... My 01 camry has 150k and
unless someone runs into me, I don't see a day when I'll need another
vehicle. It may out last me...

Re: Why does the auto industry turn out such crap??
 

"in2dadark" <in2dadark@yahoo.com> wrote in message
Couldn't get any of my 'merican cars to last much past the last
payment (60 months) ...when I used to buy them on credit. I'm a
former automotive technician. I think I'd know how to get the most out
of a vehicle if there is a 'most' to get... My 01 camry has 150k and
unless someone runs into me, I don't see a day when I'll need another
vehicle. It may out last me...

************************************************** ***************

My '91 Regal lasted 14 years, my Olds Cutlass was also 14 years, 190,000
miles. My LeSabre has had some problems, but has been paid in full for a
few years already. Maybe you just suck at fixing cars.

Re: Why does the auto industry turn out such crap??
 

Tom frothed:

> i have never seen a foreign made vehicle that made it over 100,000 miles
> besides a few german made cars and a coulpe of hondas. and by the time the
> hondas made 100,000 miles the bodys were falling off of them.

You're quite the comedian, pal.

Re: Why does the auto industry turn out such crap??
 

On Sun, 25 Jan 2009 10:31:05 -0600, CharlesTheCurmudgeon cast forth these
pearls of wisdom...:

> "Tom" <tjctransport@optonline.net> wrote in message
> news:497c82b6$0$18023$607ed4bc@cv.net...
>>
>> <cake_and_eat_it_too@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>> news:75a7131d-67d6-434a-b606-821a1ef155bf@x37g2000yqj.googlegroups.com...
>>> Those car makers have also engaged in planned obsolence of their
>>> products - delivering cars that only get about 100,000 miles for their
>>> life cycle as opposed to the 150,000 or so delivered by the foreign
>>> automakers like Nissan, Toyota, and Honda.
>>
>> you are so full of it that it is coming out of your ears. i know of more
>> american made vehicles with over 300,000 miles on them than i do of
>> foreign made vehicles with 150,000 miles on them still driving on the
>> roads.
>>
>
> You are the one full of it. I know of far more Japanese cars with 200,000
> on them than I do American cars that crossed the 100,000 mile mark.
>
> Sir Charles the Curmudgeon

It has already been proven that your powers of observation are lacking.
Makes your point(s) meaningless. Perhaps you would consider dropping your
tired rants and let the GM group get back to what it was before all this
started, and let people enjoy the group without your "contributions".

--

-Mike-
mmarlowREMOVE@alltel.net

Re: Why does the auto industry turn out such crap??
 

On Sun, 25 Jan 2009 12:46:50 -0800 (PST), in2dadark cast forth these pearls
of wisdom...:

> On Jan 25, 11:31 am, "CharlesTheCurmudgeon"
>>
>> You are the one full of it. I know of far more Japanese cars with 200,000
>> on them than I do American cars that crossed the 100,000 mile mark.
>>
>> Sir Charles the Curmudgeon
>
> Couldn't get any of my 'merican cars to last much past the last
> payment (60 months) ...when I used to buy them on credit. I'm a
> former automotive technician. I think I'd know how to get the most out
> of a vehicle if there is a 'most' to get... My 01 camry has 150k and
> unless someone runs into me, I don't see a day when I'll need another
> vehicle. It may out last me...

It seems obvious why you are a "former" automotive technician then. If you
can't get any better life out of an American vehicle than that, it says a
great deal about your automotive skills. Too bad. So many of us have had
no problems getting 200,000 plus out of American vehicles.

--

-Mike-
mmarlowREMOVE@alltel.net

Re: Why does the auto industry turn out such crap??
 

My last three vehicles:
1984 Dodge Caravan LE traded at 214,000 miles
1997 Dodge Caravan ES traded at 135,000 miles
2008 Dodge Caravan SXT .

Re: Why does the auto industry turn out such crap??
 

On Jan 25, 10:19 am, "Tom" <tjctransp...@optonline.net> wrote:

>
> again you are full of it.
> the only way a car can get 147 mpg is if the engine is turned off, andit
> is falling down a very tall mountain. .


Take a look at this: http://www.shortnews.com/start.cfm?id=71808

And I know this is true because the guy's shop is in my hometown.
Believe me, there have been all kinds of reports/interviews, etc.
around here. Yet somehow it fails to make national news....
And just think, 1 guy can do this in his own shop, yet the big
automakers "can't" do this with their thousands of engineers and
billions of dollars??? Hmmmmm........

Re: Why does the auto industry turn out such crap??
 

....and in don't believe the first source:
http://www.leftlanenews.com/400-hp-1...ema-debut.html

Mr. Palmear's shop is on the south edge of Napoleon, OH; it's called
"Horsepower Sales."

Re: Why does the auto industry turn out such crap??
 

BOGUS....

"9DodgeFan" <Sepiaricus@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:3d99e960-151c-4cf2-9972-38fd86b1b174@w39g2000prb.googlegroups.com...
On Jan 25, 10:19 am, "Tom" <tjctransp...@optonline.net> wrote:

>
> again you are full of it.
> the only way a car can get 147 mpg is if the engine is turned off,
> and it
> is falling down a very tall mountain. .


Take a look at this: http://www.shortnews.com/start.cfm?id=71808

And I know this is true because the guy's shop is in my hometown.
Believe me, there have been all kinds of reports/interviews, etc.
around here. Yet somehow it fails to make national news....
And just think, 1 guy can do this in his own shop, yet the big
automakers "can't" do this with their thousands of engineers and
billions of dollars??? Hmmmmm........

Re: Why does the auto industry turn out such crap??
 

i think it is time to put your tinfoil hat back on.
"9DodgeFan" <Sepiaricus@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:3d99e960-151c-4cf2-9972-38fd86b1b174@w39g2000prb.googlegroups.com...
Take a look at this: http://www.shortnews.com/start.cfm?id=71808

And I know this is true because the guy's shop is in my hometown.
Believe me, there have been all kinds of reports/interviews, etc.
around here. Yet somehow it fails to make national news....
And just think, 1 guy can do this in his own shop, yet the big
automakers "can't" do this with their thousands of engineers and
billions of dollars??? Hmmmmm........

Re: Why does the auto industry turn out such crap??
 

ok, now it makes sense. he is running E-85.

so it is getting 110 mpg on the gasoline in the mix, and -105 mpg on the
ethanol in the mix.
"9DodgeFan" <Sepiaricus@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:85d73589-240e-4d49-a520-67b42e472caf@r15g2000prd.googlegroups.com...
> ...and in don't believe the first source:
> http://www.leftlanenews.com/400-hp-1...ema-debut.html
>
> Mr. Palmear's shop is on the south edge of Napoleon, OH; it's called
> "Horsepower Sales."

Re: Why does the auto industry turn out such crap??
 

You forget to say in my opinion.


"in2dadark" <in2dadark@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:3200a6ef-bc08-4af4-8de9-2a8d93e3eb79@o40g2000prn.googlegroups.com...
On Jan 25, 11:31 am, "CharlesTheCurmudgeon"
>
> You are the one full of it. I know of far more Japanese cars with 200,000
> on them than I do American cars that crossed the 100,000 mile mark.
>
> Sir Charles the Curmudgeon

Couldn't get any of my 'merican cars to last much past the last
payment (60 months) ...when I used to buy them on credit. I'm a
former automotive technician. I think I'd know how to get the most out
of a vehicle if there is a 'most' to get... My 01 camry has 150k and
unless someone runs into me, I don't see a day when I'll need another
vehicle. It may out last me...

Re: Why does the auto industry turn out such crap??
 

His uninformed or misinformed cross posted opinion did not deserve a reply

"Tom" <tjctransport@optonline.net> wrote in message
news:497cf340$0$13281$607ed4bc@cv.net...
> you must not be a very good "automotive technician" then.
> my 79 F250 4X4 has 213,000 miles on it, and still plows snow.
> my 88 superduty 4X4 has 257,000 miles on it and still going strong.
> my 02 superduty has only 153,000 miles on it so far.
> my partners 2000 F350 has 257,000 miles on it, and it is just broke in.
> the guy across the street has a 90 F150 with 215,000 miles on it, and it
> still purrs too.
> one of the kids down the street has 327,000 miles on his E150, and it
> still looks like new.
> one of my subcontractors has 6 trucks, the newest a 90 chevy C30, and they
> all have over 300,000 miles on them, and still work every day.
> i can give you another 40 or 50 to add to this list that i personally know
> about with over 150,000 miles on them.
> and every one of the above vehicles all still have the same engine and
> trans that came from the factory.
> now on the other side of the fence.
> my niece had a toy yoda that had 2 engines blow before it has 100,000 on
> it. it is now in the junk yard.
> the neighbor next door to me bought a 2006 Camry. it has been back to the
> dealer 8 times so far, and has less than 30,000 miles on it. as soon as
> the warrantee is up it is gone.
> across the street next door to the F150, they had 2 toy yodas, and 2
> nissans and a mazda that all blew up before they made 76,000 miles.
> they now drive fords.
>
> i have never seen a foreign made vehicle that made it over 100,000 miles
> besides a few german made cars and a coulpe of hondas. and by the time the
> hondas made 100,000 miles the bodys were falling off of them.
>
> "in2dadark" <in2dadark@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:3200a6ef-bc08-4af4-8de9-2a8d93e3eb79@o40g2000prn.googlegroups.com...
> On Jan 25, 11:31 am, "CharlesTheCurmudgeon"
>>
>> You are the one full of it. I know of far more Japanese cars with 200,000
>> on them than I do American cars that crossed the 100,000 mile mark.
>>
>> Sir Charles the Curmudgeon
>
> Couldn't get any of my 'merican cars to last much past the last
> payment (60 months) ...when I used to buy them on credit. I'm a
> former automotive technician. I think I'd know how to get the most out
> of a vehicle if there is a 'most' to get... My 01 camry has 150k and
> unless someone runs into me, I don't see a day when I'll need another
> vehicle. It may out last me...
>
>

Re: Why does the auto industry turn out such crap??
 

His uninformed or misinformed cross posted opinion did not deserve a reply

"Ed Pawlowski" <esp@snet.net> wrote in message
news:SR6fl.19431$ZP4.13961@nlpi067.nbdc.sbc.com...
>
> "in2dadark" <in2dadark@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> Couldn't get any of my 'merican cars to last much past the last
> payment (60 months) ...when I used to buy them on credit. I'm a
> former automotive technician. I think I'd know how to get the most out
> of a vehicle if there is a 'most' to get... My 01 camry has 150k and
> unless someone runs into me, I don't see a day when I'll need another
> vehicle. It may out last me...
>
> ************************************************** ***************
>
> My '91 Regal lasted 14 years, my Olds Cutlass was also 14 years, 190,000
> miles. My LeSabre has had some problems, but has been paid in full for a
> few years already. Maybe you just suck at fixing cars.
>
>

Re: Why does the auto industry turn out such crap??
 

His uninformed or misinformed cross posted opinion did not deserve a reply

"Mike Marlow" <mmarlowREMOVE@alltel.net> wrote in message
news:2ttbldfzk4mp.1x4vvjney8crv$.dlg@40tude.net...
> On Sun, 25 Jan 2009 10:31:05 -0600, CharlesTheCurmudgeon cast forth these
> pearls of wisdom...:
>
>> "Tom" <tjctransport@optonline.net> wrote in message
>> news:497c82b6$0$18023$607ed4bc@cv.net...
>>>
>>> <cake_and_eat_it_too@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>>> news:75a7131d-67d6-434a-b606-821a1ef155bf@x37g2000yqj.googlegroups.com...
>>>> Those car makers have also engaged in planned obsolence of their
>>>> products - delivering cars that only get about 100,000 miles for their
>>>> life cycle as opposed to the 150,000 or so delivered by the foreign
>>>> automakers like Nissan, Toyota, and Honda.
>>>
>>> you are so full of it that it is coming out of your ears. i know of more
>>> american made vehicles with over 300,000 miles on them than i do of
>>> foreign made vehicles with 150,000 miles on them still driving on the
>>> roads.
>>>
>>
>> You are the one full of it. I know of far more Japanese cars with
>> 200,000
>> on them than I do American cars that crossed the 100,000 mile mark.
>>
>> Sir Charles the Curmudgeon
>
> It has already been proven that your powers of observation are lacking.
> Makes your point(s) meaningless. Perhaps you would consider dropping your
> tired rants and let the GM group get back to what it was before all this
> started, and let people enjoy the group without your "contributions".
>
> --
>
> -Mike-
> mmarlowREMOVE@alltel.net

Re: Why does the auto industry turn out such crap??
 

Your uninformed or misinformed cross posted opinion does not deserve a reply

"Mike Marlow" <mmarlowREMOVE@alltel.net> wrote in message
news:jd03x9jtszqc.166zhan9qx35n.dlg@40tude.net...
> On Sun, 25 Jan 2009 12:46:50 -0800 (PST), in2dadark cast forth these
> pearls
> of wisdom...:
>
>> On Jan 25, 11:31 am, "CharlesTheCurmudgeon"
>>>
>>> You are the one full of it. I know of far more Japanese cars with
>>> 200,000
>>> on them than I do American cars that crossed the 100,000 mile mark.
>>>
>>> Sir Charles the Curmudgeon
>>
>> Couldn't get any of my 'merican cars to last much past the last
>> payment (60 months) ...when I used to buy them on credit. I'm a
>> former automotive technician. I think I'd know how to get the most out
>> of a vehicle if there is a 'most' to get... My 01 camry has 150k and
>> unless someone runs into me, I don't see a day when I'll need another
>> vehicle. It may out last me...
>
> It seems obvious why you are a "former" automotive technician then. If
> you
> can't get any better life out of an American vehicle than that, it says a
> great deal about your automotive skills. Too bad. So many of us have had
> no problems getting 200,000 plus out of American vehicles.
>
> --
>
> -Mike-
> mmarlowREMOVE@alltel.net

Re: Why does the auto industry turn out such crap??
 

Your uninformed or misinformed cross posted opinion does not deserve a reply

"Tom" <tjctransport@optonline.net> wrote in message
news:497dd11a$0$20283$607ed4bc@cv.net...
>i think it is time to put your tinfoil hat back on.
> "9DodgeFan" <Sepiaricus@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:3d99e960-151c-4cf2-9972-38fd86b1b174@w39g2000prb.googlegroups.com...
> Take a look at this: http://www.shortnews.com/start.cfm?id=71808
>
> And I know this is true because the guy's shop is in my hometown.
> Believe me, there have been all kinds of reports/interviews, etc.
> around here. Yet somehow it fails to make national news....
> And just think, 1 guy can do this in his own shop, yet the big
> automakers "can't" do this with their thousands of engineers and
> billions of dollars??? Hmmmmm........
>

Re: Why does the auto industry turn out such crap??
 

CharlesTheCurmudgeon wrote:

> "kevin" <powershot80@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:497c8423$0$5484$9a566e8b@news.aliant.net...

> > When did Canada become a 3rd world country.
>
> Dunno, but America became a third world country on 20 January 2009.
>
Why?

Re: Why does the auto industry turn out such crap??
 

For one we now will pay mothers to kill their babies in third world counties


"larry moe 'n curly" <larrymoencurly@my-deja.com> wrote in message
news:d8fc418e-a75c-4ac1-8b4a-c2f57eddb76c@z28g2000prd.googlegroups.com...
>
>
> CharlesTheCurmudgeon wrote:
>
>> "kevin" <powershot80@gmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:497c8423$0$5484$9a566e8b@news.aliant.net...
>
>> > When did Canada become a 3rd world country.
>>
>> Dunno, but America became a third world country on 20 January 2009.
>>
> Why?

Re: Why does the auto industry turn out such crap??
 

In article <JJidnVQpdfeRgOPUnZ2dnUVZ_q7inZ2d@ptd.net>,
"Mike Hunter" <mikehunt2@lycos/com> wrote:

> For one we now will pay mothers to kill their babies in third world counties

If only your mother had killed you when you were young.

Re: Why does the auto industry turn out such crap??
 

"larry moe 'n curly" <larrymoencurly@my-deja.com> wrote in message
news:d8fc418e-a75c-4ac1-8b4a-c2f57eddb76c@z28g2000prd.googlegroups.com...
>
>
> CharlesTheCurmudgeon wrote:
>
>> "kevin" <powershot80@gmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:497c8423$0$5484$9a566e8b@news.aliant.net...
>
>> > When did Canada become a 3rd world country.
>>
>> Dunno, but America became a third world country on 20 January 2009.
>>
> Why?

Agree or not, surely you know what happens 1/20 every four years.

Re: Why does the auto industry turn out such crap??
 

On Sun, 25 Jan 2009 12:44:46 -0500, "Mike Hunter"
<mikehunt2@lycos/com> wrote:

>> The American automakers have also been in collusion with the oil
>> companies by not having their products deliver higher miles per
>> gallon.
>
>Evidence, please.

Don't expect him to do your research for you, Mike.

Re: Why does the auto industry turn out such crap??
 

On Mon, 26 Jan 2009 21:33:14 -0500, "Ed Pawlowski" <esp@snet.net>
wrote:

>
>"larry moe 'n curly" <larrymoencurly@my-deja.com> wrote in message
>news:d8fc418e-a75c-4ac1-8b4a-c2f57eddb76c@z28g2000prd.googlegroups.com...
>>
>>
>> CharlesTheCurmudgeon wrote:
>>
>>> "kevin" <powershot80@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>> news:497c8423$0$5484$9a566e8b@news.aliant.net...
>>
>>> > When did Canada become a 3rd world country.
>>>
>>> Dunno, but America became a third world country on 20 January 2009.
>>>
>> Why?
>
>Agree or not, surely you know what happens 1/20 every four years.
>
Perhaps it just became a "civilized" country??????

Re: Why does the auto industry turn out such crap??
 

On Mon, 26 Jan 2009 06:57:20 -0800 (PST), 9DodgeFan cast forth these pearls
of wisdom...:

> ...and in don't believe the first source:
> http://www.leftlanenews.com/400-hp-1...ema-debut.html
>
> Mr. Palmear's shop is on the south edge of Napoleon, OH; it's called
> "Horsepower Sales."

PT Barnum had an expression about stuff like this. Mr. Palmear, or anyone
else can claim all they want to claim. Until his claims are demonstrated,
it's all bull.

--

-Mike-
mmarlowREMOVE@alltel.net