Rear brake shoes in 2001 Odyssey
04-05-2006, 03:00 AM
#16
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Re: Rear brake shoes in 2001 Odyssey
BE wrote:
> 1) the rear shoes need alignment (?) and this is an every-7500 mile routine
> maintenance item (true???)
>
BS detector going off very loudly here. I have seen rear brakes get
noisy due to a build up of brake dust inside the drums. One of the many
ways disc brakes are superior is that with discs the dust mostly
migrates onto the alloy wheels while with drums much gets caught inside
. There are no alignment adjustments on modern drum brakes. If the
self adjusters are working correctly the brakes shoes should stay in
proper adjustment all by themselves. That said, pulling the drums once
a year and cleaning the junk out often helps!
> 2) the front pads, which are NOT honda product... These were replaced last
> summer and were AutoZone's best replacement pads. I installed them myself,
> with anti-squeak compound and careful cleaning of the caliper components.
>
> The service tech claims that these pads can damage Honda's disc rotors.
More BS. Dealer techs like to blame aftermarket parts as a matter of
policy, even when there is no good reason for it. Certainly there are
some junk bargain priced parts out there, but I doubt that this is the
case on your car.
On my Accord the dealer techs insisted that the rattle I was hearing
from the trunk was because I had aftermarket speakers in the rear deck.
I finally figured out that the problem was the torsion bar springs for
the rear trunk lid rattling on each other. I fixed it by slitting some
vinyl tubing and slipping the tubing over each bar. Rattle has been
100% gone for over a year now with my fix.
The original rotors on my Accord warped at about 15,000 miles. I had
been religious about proper wheel torque, etc. Dealer said tough luck.
So, first I pulled the rotors and had a machine shop turn them.
Within a week they warped again. Next I bought a pair of aftermarket
Brembo rotors and installed them. Now over 10,000 miles later the
brakes still work like a dream without a hint of vibration.
The point is, you cannot believe everything a technician, parts guy,
service writer, etc. tells you. Each has their own biases and agenda
and often the stuff they say simply isn't correct.
John
> 1) the rear shoes need alignment (?) and this is an every-7500 mile routine
> maintenance item (true???)
>
BS detector going off very loudly here. I have seen rear brakes get
noisy due to a build up of brake dust inside the drums. One of the many
ways disc brakes are superior is that with discs the dust mostly
migrates onto the alloy wheels while with drums much gets caught inside
. There are no alignment adjustments on modern drum brakes. If theself adjusters are working correctly the brakes shoes should stay in
proper adjustment all by themselves. That said, pulling the drums once
a year and cleaning the junk out often helps!
> 2) the front pads, which are NOT honda product... These were replaced last
> summer and were AutoZone's best replacement pads. I installed them myself,
> with anti-squeak compound and careful cleaning of the caliper components.
>
> The service tech claims that these pads can damage Honda's disc rotors.
More BS. Dealer techs like to blame aftermarket parts as a matter of
policy, even when there is no good reason for it. Certainly there are
some junk bargain priced parts out there, but I doubt that this is the
case on your car.
On my Accord the dealer techs insisted that the rattle I was hearing
from the trunk was because I had aftermarket speakers in the rear deck.
I finally figured out that the problem was the torsion bar springs for
the rear trunk lid rattling on each other. I fixed it by slitting some
vinyl tubing and slipping the tubing over each bar. Rattle has been
100% gone for over a year now with my fix.
The original rotors on my Accord warped at about 15,000 miles. I had
been religious about proper wheel torque, etc. Dealer said tough luck.
So, first I pulled the rotors and had a machine shop turn them.
Within a week they warped again. Next I bought a pair of aftermarket
Brembo rotors and installed them. Now over 10,000 miles later the
brakes still work like a dream without a hint of vibration.
The point is, you cannot believe everything a technician, parts guy,
service writer, etc. tells you. Each has their own biases and agenda
and often the stuff they say simply isn't correct.
John
04-05-2006, 03:00 AM
#17
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Re: Rear brake shoes in 2001 Odyssey
BE wrote:
> 1) the rear shoes need alignment (?) and this is an every-7500 mile routine
> maintenance item (true???)
>
BS detector going off very loudly here. I have seen rear brakes get
noisy due to a build up of brake dust inside the drums. One of the many
ways disc brakes are superior is that with discs the dust mostly
migrates onto the alloy wheels while with drums much gets caught inside
. There are no alignment adjustments on modern drum brakes. If the
self adjusters are working correctly the brakes shoes should stay in
proper adjustment all by themselves. That said, pulling the drums once
a year and cleaning the junk out often helps!
> 2) the front pads, which are NOT honda product... These were replaced last
> summer and were AutoZone's best replacement pads. I installed them myself,
> with anti-squeak compound and careful cleaning of the caliper components.
>
> The service tech claims that these pads can damage Honda's disc rotors.
More BS. Dealer techs like to blame aftermarket parts as a matter of
policy, even when there is no good reason for it. Certainly there are
some junk bargain priced parts out there, but I doubt that this is the
case on your car.
On my Accord the dealer techs insisted that the rattle I was hearing
from the trunk was because I had aftermarket speakers in the rear deck.
I finally figured out that the problem was the torsion bar springs for
the rear trunk lid rattling on each other. I fixed it by slitting some
vinyl tubing and slipping the tubing over each bar. Rattle has been
100% gone for over a year now with my fix.
The original rotors on my Accord warped at about 15,000 miles. I had
been religious about proper wheel torque, etc. Dealer said tough luck.
So, first I pulled the rotors and had a machine shop turn them.
Within a week they warped again. Next I bought a pair of aftermarket
Brembo rotors and installed them. Now over 10,000 miles later the
brakes still work like a dream without a hint of vibration.
The point is, you cannot believe everything a technician, parts guy,
service writer, etc. tells you. Each has their own biases and agenda
and often the stuff they say simply isn't correct.
John
> 1) the rear shoes need alignment (?) and this is an every-7500 mile routine
> maintenance item (true???)
>
BS detector going off very loudly here. I have seen rear brakes get
noisy due to a build up of brake dust inside the drums. One of the many
ways disc brakes are superior is that with discs the dust mostly
migrates onto the alloy wheels while with drums much gets caught inside
. There are no alignment adjustments on modern drum brakes. If theself adjusters are working correctly the brakes shoes should stay in
proper adjustment all by themselves. That said, pulling the drums once
a year and cleaning the junk out often helps!
> 2) the front pads, which are NOT honda product... These were replaced last
> summer and were AutoZone's best replacement pads. I installed them myself,
> with anti-squeak compound and careful cleaning of the caliper components.
>
> The service tech claims that these pads can damage Honda's disc rotors.
More BS. Dealer techs like to blame aftermarket parts as a matter of
policy, even when there is no good reason for it. Certainly there are
some junk bargain priced parts out there, but I doubt that this is the
case on your car.
On my Accord the dealer techs insisted that the rattle I was hearing
from the trunk was because I had aftermarket speakers in the rear deck.
I finally figured out that the problem was the torsion bar springs for
the rear trunk lid rattling on each other. I fixed it by slitting some
vinyl tubing and slipping the tubing over each bar. Rattle has been
100% gone for over a year now with my fix.
The original rotors on my Accord warped at about 15,000 miles. I had
been religious about proper wheel torque, etc. Dealer said tough luck.
So, first I pulled the rotors and had a machine shop turn them.
Within a week they warped again. Next I bought a pair of aftermarket
Brembo rotors and installed them. Now over 10,000 miles later the
brakes still work like a dream without a hint of vibration.
The point is, you cannot believe everything a technician, parts guy,
service writer, etc. tells you. Each has their own biases and agenda
and often the stuff they say simply isn't correct.
John
04-05-2006, 09:11 AM
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Re: Rear brake shoes in 2001 Odyssey
jim beam <nospam@example.net> wrote in
news:hd6dne1vNJ5JqK7ZnZ2dnUVZ_tGdnZ2d@speakeasy.ne t:
> BE wrote:
>
>> Does Honda
>> have them make a warning scrape when it's almost time?
>
> front disk pads, yes, but not for rear shoes.
Clarification: Honda puts a SQUEAL tab on the inner _disc_ brake pads only.
The drums have no such feature.
No brake I know of utters a "scrape" noise unless they are already down to
the steel backing, or there is lots of rust.
--
TeGGeR®
The Unofficial Honda/Acura FAQ
www.tegger.com/hondafaq/
news:hd6dne1vNJ5JqK7ZnZ2dnUVZ_tGdnZ2d@speakeasy.ne t:
> BE wrote:
>
>> Does Honda
>> have them make a warning scrape when it's almost time?
>
> front disk pads, yes, but not for rear shoes.
Clarification: Honda puts a SQUEAL tab on the inner _disc_ brake pads only.
The drums have no such feature.
No brake I know of utters a "scrape" noise unless they are already down to
the steel backing, or there is lots of rust.
--
TeGGeR®
The Unofficial Honda/Acura FAQ
www.tegger.com/hondafaq/
04-05-2006, 09:11 AM
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Re: Rear brake shoes in 2001 Odyssey
jim beam <nospam@example.net> wrote in
news:hd6dne1vNJ5JqK7ZnZ2dnUVZ_tGdnZ2d@speakeasy.ne t:
> BE wrote:
>
>> Does Honda
>> have them make a warning scrape when it's almost time?
>
> front disk pads, yes, but not for rear shoes.
Clarification: Honda puts a SQUEAL tab on the inner _disc_ brake pads only.
The drums have no such feature.
No brake I know of utters a "scrape" noise unless they are already down to
the steel backing, or there is lots of rust.
--
TeGGeR®
The Unofficial Honda/Acura FAQ
www.tegger.com/hondafaq/
news:hd6dne1vNJ5JqK7ZnZ2dnUVZ_tGdnZ2d@speakeasy.ne t:
> BE wrote:
>
>> Does Honda
>> have them make a warning scrape when it's almost time?
>
> front disk pads, yes, but not for rear shoes.
Clarification: Honda puts a SQUEAL tab on the inner _disc_ brake pads only.
The drums have no such feature.
No brake I know of utters a "scrape" noise unless they are already down to
the steel backing, or there is lots of rust.
--
TeGGeR®
The Unofficial Honda/Acura FAQ
www.tegger.com/hondafaq/
04-05-2006, 10:07 AM
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Re: Rear brake shoes in 2001 Odyssey
Yes, the shoes on the rear wheels are factory-original. I am the only owner
of this van.
Be
On 4/4/06 10:13 PM, in article
hd6dne1vNJ5JqK7ZnZ2dnUVZ_tGdnZ2d@speakeasy.net, "jim beam"
<nospam@example.net> wrote:
> BE wrote:
>> Hello,
>>
>> Our car has 40K miles (pretty low) and lots of that has been highway. I am
>> hearing a metal scraping sound that goes away after the car is driven for 10
>> minutes. The front disc brake pads are about 8 months old - and the sound is
>> obviously coming from the back wheels.
>
> are you sure these are honda oem brake shoes? did you buy this vehicle
> new? i've had similar experiences a number of times with after-market
> rear shoes, and each time they've been permanently fixed by using honda
> oem shoes. i suggest you do the same. particularly as they're so cheap
> and offer so much more beneficial anti-fade characteristics.
>
>>
>> Is it possible that these shoes could be worn out at 40K miles?
>
> unlikely.
>
>> Does Honda
>> have them make a warning scrape when it's almost time?
>
> front disk pads, yes, but not for rear shoes.
>
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Be
>>
of this van.
Be
On 4/4/06 10:13 PM, in article
hd6dne1vNJ5JqK7ZnZ2dnUVZ_tGdnZ2d@speakeasy.net, "jim beam"
<nospam@example.net> wrote:
> BE wrote:
>> Hello,
>>
>> Our car has 40K miles (pretty low) and lots of that has been highway. I am
>> hearing a metal scraping sound that goes away after the car is driven for 10
>> minutes. The front disc brake pads are about 8 months old - and the sound is
>> obviously coming from the back wheels.
>
> are you sure these are honda oem brake shoes? did you buy this vehicle
> new? i've had similar experiences a number of times with after-market
> rear shoes, and each time they've been permanently fixed by using honda
> oem shoes. i suggest you do the same. particularly as they're so cheap
> and offer so much more beneficial anti-fade characteristics.
>
>>
>> Is it possible that these shoes could be worn out at 40K miles?
>
> unlikely.
>
>> Does Honda
>> have them make a warning scrape when it's almost time?
>
> front disk pads, yes, but not for rear shoes.
>
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Be
>>
04-05-2006, 10:07 AM
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Re: Rear brake shoes in 2001 Odyssey
Yes, the shoes on the rear wheels are factory-original. I am the only owner
of this van.
Be
On 4/4/06 10:13 PM, in article
hd6dne1vNJ5JqK7ZnZ2dnUVZ_tGdnZ2d@speakeasy.net, "jim beam"
<nospam@example.net> wrote:
> BE wrote:
>> Hello,
>>
>> Our car has 40K miles (pretty low) and lots of that has been highway. I am
>> hearing a metal scraping sound that goes away after the car is driven for 10
>> minutes. The front disc brake pads are about 8 months old - and the sound is
>> obviously coming from the back wheels.
>
> are you sure these are honda oem brake shoes? did you buy this vehicle
> new? i've had similar experiences a number of times with after-market
> rear shoes, and each time they've been permanently fixed by using honda
> oem shoes. i suggest you do the same. particularly as they're so cheap
> and offer so much more beneficial anti-fade characteristics.
>
>>
>> Is it possible that these shoes could be worn out at 40K miles?
>
> unlikely.
>
>> Does Honda
>> have them make a warning scrape when it's almost time?
>
> front disk pads, yes, but not for rear shoes.
>
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Be
>>
of this van.
Be
On 4/4/06 10:13 PM, in article
hd6dne1vNJ5JqK7ZnZ2dnUVZ_tGdnZ2d@speakeasy.net, "jim beam"
<nospam@example.net> wrote:
> BE wrote:
>> Hello,
>>
>> Our car has 40K miles (pretty low) and lots of that has been highway. I am
>> hearing a metal scraping sound that goes away after the car is driven for 10
>> minutes. The front disc brake pads are about 8 months old - and the sound is
>> obviously coming from the back wheels.
>
> are you sure these are honda oem brake shoes? did you buy this vehicle
> new? i've had similar experiences a number of times with after-market
> rear shoes, and each time they've been permanently fixed by using honda
> oem shoes. i suggest you do the same. particularly as they're so cheap
> and offer so much more beneficial anti-fade characteristics.
>
>>
>> Is it possible that these shoes could be worn out at 40K miles?
>
> unlikely.
>
>> Does Honda
>> have them make a warning scrape when it's almost time?
>
> front disk pads, yes, but not for rear shoes.
>
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Be
>>
04-05-2006, 07:45 PM
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Re: Rear brake shoes in 2001 Odyssey
"BE" <n3wsr3ad3r_|@|_sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
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> Yes, the shoes on the rear wheels are factory-original. I am the only
> owner
> of this van.
>
> Be
We have a 2000 Odyssey EX and at 50,000 miles the rear drum brakes started
making noise. Upon inspection, the shoes looked brand new. It seems the
drums got glazed over and when the shoe hit the drum it made the noise.
04-05-2006, 07:45 PM
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Re: Rear brake shoes in 2001 Odyssey
"BE" <n3wsr3ad3r_|@|_sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
news:C0593966.48E87%n3wsr3ad3r_|@|_sbcglobal.net.. .
> Yes, the shoes on the rear wheels are factory-original. I am the only
> owner
> of this van.
>
> Be
We have a 2000 Odyssey EX and at 50,000 miles the rear drum brakes started
making noise. Upon inspection, the shoes looked brand new. It seems the
drums got glazed over and when the shoe hit the drum it made the noise.
04-05-2006, 10:23 PM
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Re: Rear brake shoes in 2001 Odyssey
On 4/5/06 6:45 PM, in article io2dneNBV84Uy6nZnZ2dneKdnZydnZ2d@adelphia.com,
"Bob Palmer" <jenbobkatelyn@adelphia.net> wrote:
>
> "BE" <n3wsr3ad3r_|@|_sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
> news:C0593966.48E87%n3wsr3ad3r_|@|_sbcglobal.net.. .
>> Yes, the shoes on the rear wheels are factory-original. I am the only
>> owner
>> of this van.
>>
>> Be
> We have a 2000 Odyssey EX and at 50,000 miles the rear drum brakes started
> making noise. Upon inspection, the shoes looked brand new. It seems the
> drums got glazed over and when the shoe hit the drum it made the noise.
>
What glazes the drum over? How to remediate it? If you were to remove the
drums, for example, and thoroughly clean them wiith brake parts cleaner,
would that take care of whatever is stuck to them?
Be
"Bob Palmer" <jenbobkatelyn@adelphia.net> wrote:
>
> "BE" <n3wsr3ad3r_|@|_sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
> news:C0593966.48E87%n3wsr3ad3r_|@|_sbcglobal.net.. .
>> Yes, the shoes on the rear wheels are factory-original. I am the only
>> owner
>> of this van.
>>
>> Be
> We have a 2000 Odyssey EX and at 50,000 miles the rear drum brakes started
> making noise. Upon inspection, the shoes looked brand new. It seems the
> drums got glazed over and when the shoe hit the drum it made the noise.
>
What glazes the drum over? How to remediate it? If you were to remove the
drums, for example, and thoroughly clean them wiith brake parts cleaner,
would that take care of whatever is stuck to them?
Be
04-05-2006, 10:23 PM
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Re: Rear brake shoes in 2001 Odyssey
On 4/5/06 6:45 PM, in article io2dneNBV84Uy6nZnZ2dneKdnZydnZ2d@adelphia.com,
"Bob Palmer" <jenbobkatelyn@adelphia.net> wrote:
>
> "BE" <n3wsr3ad3r_|@|_sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
> news:C0593966.48E87%n3wsr3ad3r_|@|_sbcglobal.net.. .
>> Yes, the shoes on the rear wheels are factory-original. I am the only
>> owner
>> of this van.
>>
>> Be
> We have a 2000 Odyssey EX and at 50,000 miles the rear drum brakes started
> making noise. Upon inspection, the shoes looked brand new. It seems the
> drums got glazed over and when the shoe hit the drum it made the noise.
>
What glazes the drum over? How to remediate it? If you were to remove the
drums, for example, and thoroughly clean them wiith brake parts cleaner,
would that take care of whatever is stuck to them?
Be
"Bob Palmer" <jenbobkatelyn@adelphia.net> wrote:
>
> "BE" <n3wsr3ad3r_|@|_sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
> news:C0593966.48E87%n3wsr3ad3r_|@|_sbcglobal.net.. .
>> Yes, the shoes on the rear wheels are factory-original. I am the only
>> owner
>> of this van.
>>
>> Be
> We have a 2000 Odyssey EX and at 50,000 miles the rear drum brakes started
> making noise. Upon inspection, the shoes looked brand new. It seems the
> drums got glazed over and when the shoe hit the drum it made the noise.
>
What glazes the drum over? How to remediate it? If you were to remove the
drums, for example, and thoroughly clean them wiith brake parts cleaner,
would that take care of whatever is stuck to them?
Be