Re: reccomended maintence schedule
"Realistically, if I changed my brake fluid every 30,000 miles (as
recommended in the manual) and changed my oil/transmission fluid/ coolant whenever the dealer or Maintenance Minder advised me, well my Ford would last forever, too." Is that a bad thing? Isn't the basis of any car performance, safety, and RELIABILITY? What a lot of Honda dealers in my area are doing now is making all maintence-minder requested service free for cars bought at their dealership. I got my 2007 Ody at Schaefer and Strohminger Honda in Fallston, MD, and I won't have to pay for any service the maintence minder requests until I reach 120,000 miles -- that's at least a good eight years for me. |
Re: reccomended maintence schedule
"Realistically, if I changed my brake fluid every 30,000 miles (as
recommended in the manual) and changed my oil/transmission fluid/ coolant whenever the dealer or Maintenance Minder advised me, well my Ford would last forever, too." Is that a bad thing? Isn't the basis of any car performance, safety, and RELIABILITY? What a lot of Honda dealers in my area are doing now is making all maintence-minder requested service free for cars bought at their dealership. I got my 2007 Ody at Schaefer and Strohminger Honda in Fallston, MD, and I won't have to pay for any service the maintence minder requests until I reach 120,000 miles -- that's at least a good eight years for me. |
Re: reccomended maintence schedule
rpms0605@yahoo.com wrote in
news:20070112233137634-0500@news1.news.adelphia.net: > > > Several of these replies almost sound like they're coming from Honda > dealers. Not mine. I just happen to own a Honda. And I happen to trust Honda's judgement better than my own, for the most part. > I guess I am a bit suspicious of this "Maintenance Minder" > device. Do you really think it has sensors located throughout the > engine and transmission? Do you think it makes economic sense for > Honda to install such complicated and sophisticated instrumentation on > a $17, 000 car? I'm a mechanical engineer and my guess is that this > system simply takes note of the mileage and temperature and averages > it out to tell you to change the oil. Sort of a gimmick, if you ask > me. High-end cars like Mercedes actually do now have sensors that sample oil quality and recommend replacement based on an actual analysis. Honda and most other makers do it by calculation. The calculations are arrived at by considering driving habits and ambient temperatures. The algorithms used are fairly sophisticated. Your objection sounds like the ones expressed by steel-furnace men a hundred years ago, when pyrometers were being introduced to help better control furnace temperatures. The furnace men were insulted, figuring they were being told they didn't know what they were doing. Of course, it turned out the pyrometers were far more accurate than human eyes, which is why all furnaces mow have pyrometers. > Now, i hate to sound suspicious but when an owners manual claims > you can only use Honda brand fluids and they also program their > Maintenance Minder to tell you when they need changing, well, I wonder > how much influence the Honda dealers had during the programming > routine of this Maintenance Minder? None at all. Honda assumes the dealers are following factory procedure, which may or may not actually be the case. Honda and its dealers have a love-hate relationship. Mercedes got into trouble a few years ago for just this. The oil monitoring system of the time was expecting factory-specific synthetic oil, but the dealers were installing regular oil. The result was heavy sludging and a class-action lawsuit. Honda dealers are independent companies that have purchased a Honda franchise from Honda. They are under no obligation to use Honda repair parts, use Honda tools or follow Honda procedures. This is one reason you'll find wide variance in dealer quality. -- Tegger The Unofficial Honda/Acura FAQ www.tegger.com/hondafaq/ |
Re: reccomended maintence schedule
rpms0605@yahoo.com wrote in
news:20070112233137634-0500@news1.news.adelphia.net: > > > Several of these replies almost sound like they're coming from Honda > dealers. Not mine. I just happen to own a Honda. And I happen to trust Honda's judgement better than my own, for the most part. > I guess I am a bit suspicious of this "Maintenance Minder" > device. Do you really think it has sensors located throughout the > engine and transmission? Do you think it makes economic sense for > Honda to install such complicated and sophisticated instrumentation on > a $17, 000 car? I'm a mechanical engineer and my guess is that this > system simply takes note of the mileage and temperature and averages > it out to tell you to change the oil. Sort of a gimmick, if you ask > me. High-end cars like Mercedes actually do now have sensors that sample oil quality and recommend replacement based on an actual analysis. Honda and most other makers do it by calculation. The calculations are arrived at by considering driving habits and ambient temperatures. The algorithms used are fairly sophisticated. Your objection sounds like the ones expressed by steel-furnace men a hundred years ago, when pyrometers were being introduced to help better control furnace temperatures. The furnace men were insulted, figuring they were being told they didn't know what they were doing. Of course, it turned out the pyrometers were far more accurate than human eyes, which is why all furnaces mow have pyrometers. > Now, i hate to sound suspicious but when an owners manual claims > you can only use Honda brand fluids and they also program their > Maintenance Minder to tell you when they need changing, well, I wonder > how much influence the Honda dealers had during the programming > routine of this Maintenance Minder? None at all. Honda assumes the dealers are following factory procedure, which may or may not actually be the case. Honda and its dealers have a love-hate relationship. Mercedes got into trouble a few years ago for just this. The oil monitoring system of the time was expecting factory-specific synthetic oil, but the dealers were installing regular oil. The result was heavy sludging and a class-action lawsuit. Honda dealers are independent companies that have purchased a Honda franchise from Honda. They are under no obligation to use Honda repair parts, use Honda tools or follow Honda procedures. This is one reason you'll find wide variance in dealer quality. -- Tegger The Unofficial Honda/Acura FAQ www.tegger.com/hondafaq/ |
Re: reccomended maintence schedule
rpms0605@yahoo.com wrote in
news:20070112233137634-0500@news1.news.adelphia.net: > > > Several of these replies almost sound like they're coming from Honda > dealers. Not mine. I just happen to own a Honda. And I happen to trust Honda's judgement better than my own, for the most part. > I guess I am a bit suspicious of this "Maintenance Minder" > device. Do you really think it has sensors located throughout the > engine and transmission? Do you think it makes economic sense for > Honda to install such complicated and sophisticated instrumentation on > a $17, 000 car? I'm a mechanical engineer and my guess is that this > system simply takes note of the mileage and temperature and averages > it out to tell you to change the oil. Sort of a gimmick, if you ask > me. High-end cars like Mercedes actually do now have sensors that sample oil quality and recommend replacement based on an actual analysis. Honda and most other makers do it by calculation. The calculations are arrived at by considering driving habits and ambient temperatures. The algorithms used are fairly sophisticated. Your objection sounds like the ones expressed by steel-furnace men a hundred years ago, when pyrometers were being introduced to help better control furnace temperatures. The furnace men were insulted, figuring they were being told they didn't know what they were doing. Of course, it turned out the pyrometers were far more accurate than human eyes, which is why all furnaces mow have pyrometers. > Now, i hate to sound suspicious but when an owners manual claims > you can only use Honda brand fluids and they also program their > Maintenance Minder to tell you when they need changing, well, I wonder > how much influence the Honda dealers had during the programming > routine of this Maintenance Minder? None at all. Honda assumes the dealers are following factory procedure, which may or may not actually be the case. Honda and its dealers have a love-hate relationship. Mercedes got into trouble a few years ago for just this. The oil monitoring system of the time was expecting factory-specific synthetic oil, but the dealers were installing regular oil. The result was heavy sludging and a class-action lawsuit. Honda dealers are independent companies that have purchased a Honda franchise from Honda. They are under no obligation to use Honda repair parts, use Honda tools or follow Honda procedures. This is one reason you'll find wide variance in dealer quality. -- Tegger The Unofficial Honda/Acura FAQ www.tegger.com/hondafaq/ |
Re: reccomended maintence schedule
rpms0605@yahoo.com wrote in
news:20070112233137634-0500@news1.news.adelphia.net: > > > Several of these replies almost sound like they're coming from Honda > dealers. Not mine. I just happen to own a Honda. And I happen to trust Honda's judgement better than my own, for the most part. > I guess I am a bit suspicious of this "Maintenance Minder" > device. Do you really think it has sensors located throughout the > engine and transmission? Do you think it makes economic sense for > Honda to install such complicated and sophisticated instrumentation on > a $17, 000 car? I'm a mechanical engineer and my guess is that this > system simply takes note of the mileage and temperature and averages > it out to tell you to change the oil. Sort of a gimmick, if you ask > me. High-end cars like Mercedes actually do now have sensors that sample oil quality and recommend replacement based on an actual analysis. Honda and most other makers do it by calculation. The calculations are arrived at by considering driving habits and ambient temperatures. The algorithms used are fairly sophisticated. Your objection sounds like the ones expressed by steel-furnace men a hundred years ago, when pyrometers were being introduced to help better control furnace temperatures. The furnace men were insulted, figuring they were being told they didn't know what they were doing. Of course, it turned out the pyrometers were far more accurate than human eyes, which is why all furnaces mow have pyrometers. > Now, i hate to sound suspicious but when an owners manual claims > you can only use Honda brand fluids and they also program their > Maintenance Minder to tell you when they need changing, well, I wonder > how much influence the Honda dealers had during the programming > routine of this Maintenance Minder? None at all. Honda assumes the dealers are following factory procedure, which may or may not actually be the case. Honda and its dealers have a love-hate relationship. Mercedes got into trouble a few years ago for just this. The oil monitoring system of the time was expecting factory-specific synthetic oil, but the dealers were installing regular oil. The result was heavy sludging and a class-action lawsuit. Honda dealers are independent companies that have purchased a Honda franchise from Honda. They are under no obligation to use Honda repair parts, use Honda tools or follow Honda procedures. This is one reason you'll find wide variance in dealer quality. -- Tegger The Unofficial Honda/Acura FAQ www.tegger.com/hondafaq/ |
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