Re: Redline MTL in Honda tranny.
 

motsco_ _ wrote:

> Abeness wrote:
>
>> Randolph wrote:
>>
>>> Mista Bone wrote:
>>>
>>>> Don't do it. Use the Honda MTL or Pennzoil Synchromesh.
>>>>
>>>> What tranny you have? A VW?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> '94 Civic Si 5 speed. Any particular reason you are adamant about not
>>> using Redline MTL?
>>
>>
>>
>> I'm interested in this issue myself. The manual specifies ordinary
>> 10w-30 or 10w-40. What's the need for Honda MTL? I recently bought
>> 10w-30 (thinner for winter) for my 94 Civic EX and was planning to
>> change it soon, since I doubt the prev owner ever did it.
>>
>> Lowest winter temps here are maybe 0 F. At about 30 last night and not
>> having driven it in a week, it was a tad difficult to get it into
>> first. 116K miles. I'll probably give the regular oil a shot and see
>> how it goes. If the that's in there now is ancient, as I suspect
>> after seeing the brake fluid, I expect I'll see improvement.
>
>
> ========================
>
> The manual you're quoting is NINE years old . . .The petroleum industry
> (and Honda) have come up with a lot of better ideas since then. They
> wouldn't be recommending anything that would be a step backwards, I'm
> sure.:-)
>

might some of the newer stuff actually be *too* good? as in too
slippery, etc?

Re: Redline MTL in Honda tranny.
 

SoCalMike wrote:

> > The manual you're quoting is NINE years old . . .The petroleum industry
> > (and Honda) have come up with a lot of better ideas since then. They
> > wouldn't be recommending anything that would be a step backwards, I'm
> > sure.:-)

> might some of the newer stuff actually be *too* good? as in too
> slippery, etc?

Using a synthetic motor oil in the transmission is a problem because it
is too slippery. The synthetic transmission fluids are formulated to
give appropriate friction for synchronizers etc.

Re: Redline MTL in Honda tranny.
 

SoCalMike wrote:

> > The manual you're quoting is NINE years old . . .The petroleum industry
> > (and Honda) have come up with a lot of better ideas since then. They
> > wouldn't be recommending anything that would be a step backwards, I'm
> > sure.:-)

> might some of the newer stuff actually be *too* good? as in too
> slippery, etc?

Using a synthetic motor oil in the transmission is a problem because it
is too slippery. The synthetic transmission fluids are formulated to
give appropriate friction for synchronizers etc.

Re: Redline MTL in Honda tranny.
 

SoCalMike wrote:
> might some of the newer stuff actually be *too* good? as in too
> slippery, etc?

How could it be too slippery? Once the gears are engaged, they ain't
gonna slip away from each other. Seems like it could only be an improvement.

Re: Redline MTL in Honda tranny.
 

SoCalMike wrote:
> might some of the newer stuff actually be *too* good? as in too
> slippery, etc?

How could it be too slippery? Once the gears are engaged, they ain't
gonna slip away from each other. Seems like it could only be an improvement.

Re: Redline MTL in Honda tranny.
 

SoCalMike wrote:
> hopefully. i replaced the tranny fluid on an old MG midget w/ 4speed
> manual and it made a pretty big difference. lost all its notchiness.
>
> and that was just replacing with the recommended 75/80wt gear oil.

We shall see.... <g>

Re: Redline MTL in Honda tranny.
 

SoCalMike wrote:
> hopefully. i replaced the tranny fluid on an old MG midget w/ 4speed
> manual and it made a pretty big difference. lost all its notchiness.
>
> and that was just replacing with the recommended 75/80wt gear oil.

We shall see.... <g>

Re: Redline MTL in Honda tranny.
 

Randolph wrote:
> Using a synthetic motor oil in the transmission is a problem because it
> is too slippery. The synthetic transmission fluids are formulated to
> give appropriate friction for synchronizers etc.

Hmmm, OK.

Re: Redline MTL in Honda tranny.
 

Randolph wrote:
> Using a synthetic motor oil in the transmission is a problem because it
> is too slippery. The synthetic transmission fluids are formulated to
> give appropriate friction for synchronizers etc.

Hmmm, OK.

Re: Redline MTL in Honda tranny.
 

Abeness wrote:
> SoCalMike wrote:
>
>> might some of the newer stuff actually be *too* good? as in too
>> slippery, etc?
>
>
> How could it be too slippery?

for the synchros to work effectively.

> Once the gears are engaged, they ain't
> gonna slip away from each other. Seems like it could only be an
> improvement.

Re: Redline MTL in Honda tranny.
 

Abeness wrote:
> SoCalMike wrote:
>
>> might some of the newer stuff actually be *too* good? as in too
>> slippery, etc?
>
>
> How could it be too slippery?

for the synchros to work effectively.

> Once the gears are engaged, they ain't
> gonna slip away from each other. Seems like it could only be an
> improvement.

Re: Redline MTL in Honda tranny.
 

"Randolph" <trash@junkmail.com> wrote in message
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>
> SoCalMike wrote:
>
>> > The manual you're quoting is NINE years old . . .The petroleum industry
>> > (and Honda) have come up with a lot of better ideas since then. They
>> > wouldn't be recommending anything that would be a step backwards, I'm
>> > sure.:-)
>
>> might some of the newer stuff actually be *too* good? as in too
>> slippery, etc?
>
> Using a synthetic motor oil in the transmission is a problem because it
> is too slippery. The synthetic transmission fluids are formulated to
> give appropriate friction for synchronizers etc.

Yep. This is a well known problem. Drivers are dismayed to find their
synchros suddenly very balky. Good thing a simple change of lubricant makes
it right again.

Mike

Re: Redline MTL in Honda tranny.
 

"Randolph" <trash@junkmail.com> wrote in message
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>
> SoCalMike wrote:
>
>> > The manual you're quoting is NINE years old . . .The petroleum industry
>> > (and Honda) have come up with a lot of better ideas since then. They
>> > wouldn't be recommending anything that would be a step backwards, I'm
>> > sure.:-)
>
>> might some of the newer stuff actually be *too* good? as in too
>> slippery, etc?
>
> Using a synthetic motor oil in the transmission is a problem because it
> is too slippery. The synthetic transmission fluids are formulated to
> give appropriate friction for synchronizers etc.

Yep. This is a well known problem. Drivers are dismayed to find their
synchros suddenly very balky. Good thing a simple change of lubricant makes
it right again.

Mike

Re: Redline MTL in Honda tranny.
 

"Abeness" <news@nada.x> wrote in message
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> SoCalMike wrote:
>> might some of the newer stuff actually be *too* good? as in too slippery,
>> etc?
>
> How could it be too slippery? Once the gears are engaged, they ain't gonna
> slip away from each other. Seems like it could only be an improvement.

Technically, the lubricant has too great a "film strength." Synchros are
dependent on controlled friction to operate and over-slippery lubricants
prevent the friction from happening. The effect is the same as completely
worn out synchros.

Mike

Re: Redline MTL in Honda tranny.
 

"Abeness" <news@nada.x> wrote in message
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> SoCalMike wrote:
>> might some of the newer stuff actually be *too* good? as in too slippery,
>> etc?
>
> How could it be too slippery? Once the gears are engaged, they ain't gonna
> slip away from each other. Seems like it could only be an improvement.

Technically, the lubricant has too great a "film strength." Synchros are
dependent on controlled friction to operate and over-slippery lubricants
prevent the friction from happening. The effect is the same as completely
worn out synchros.

Mike