Redline MTL in Honda tranny.
 

My transmission is getting a little harsh when shifting into 2nd,
particularly when cold. A friend with a VW says that his old tranny
(180k miles) shift a lot better after he put Redline MTL in it.

Somewhere I believe I have heard or read that people have experienced
premature failure of the transmission seals after putting in Redline
MTL. Is there something to this, or is this something I have dreamt?

Re: Redline MTL in Honda tranny.
 

Randolph wrote:
> My transmission is getting a little harsh when shifting into 2nd,
> particularly when cold. A friend with a VW says that his old tranny
> (180k miles) shift a lot better after he put Redline MTL in it.
>
> Somewhere I believe I have heard or read that people have experienced
> premature failure of the transmission seals after putting in Redline
> MTL. Is there something to this, or is this something I have dreamt?

_only_ use honda z1 atf in a honda automatic transmission. they use
different clutch mechanisms to any other type of automatic and they need
a specialized fluid accordingly.

Re: Redline MTL in Honda tranny.
 

Randolph wrote:
> My transmission is getting a little harsh when shifting into 2nd,
> particularly when cold. A friend with a VW says that his old tranny
> (180k miles) shift a lot better after he put Redline MTL in it.
>
> Somewhere I believe I have heard or read that people have experienced
> premature failure of the transmission seals after putting in Redline
> MTL. Is there something to this, or is this something I have dreamt?

_only_ use honda z1 atf in a honda automatic transmission. they use
different clutch mechanisms to any other type of automatic and they need
a specialized fluid accordingly.

Re: Redline MTL in Honda tranny.
 

On Tue, 30 Nov 2004 03:40:01 GMT, Randolph <trash@junkmail.com> wrote:

>My transmission is getting a little harsh when shifting into 2nd,
>particularly when cold. A friend with a VW says that his old tranny
>(180k miles) shift a lot better after he put Redline MTL in it.
>
>Somewhere I believe I have heard or read that people have experienced
>premature failure of the transmission seals after putting in Redline
>MTL. Is there something to this, or is this something I have dreamt?


I have read/heard that also....believe the Honda fluid is best for the
synchros.

However, I ran Redline MTL in my 5 speed Acura Integra and when I
traded the car with close to 90,000 miles, it was still shifting
smooth as can be. Perhaps I was lucky, perhaps it takes longer for
the problems to crop up; I don't know.

If in doubt, change your manual tranny fluid to Honda MTL and see if
that clears things up.

Re: Redline MTL in Honda tranny.
 

On Tue, 30 Nov 2004 03:40:01 GMT, Randolph <trash@junkmail.com> wrote:

>My transmission is getting a little harsh when shifting into 2nd,
>particularly when cold. A friend with a VW says that his old tranny
>(180k miles) shift a lot better after he put Redline MTL in it.
>
>Somewhere I believe I have heard or read that people have experienced
>premature failure of the transmission seals after putting in Redline
>MTL. Is there something to this, or is this something I have dreamt?


I have read/heard that also....believe the Honda fluid is best for the
synchros.

However, I ran Redline MTL in my 5 speed Acura Integra and when I
traded the car with close to 90,000 miles, it was still shifting
smooth as can be. Perhaps I was lucky, perhaps it takes longer for
the problems to crop up; I don't know.

If in doubt, change your manual tranny fluid to Honda MTL and see if
that clears things up.

Re: Redline MTL in Honda tranny.
 

I forgot to state that the transmission a a manual 5-speed. Kind of
important. isn't it?

jim beam wrote:
>
> Randolph wrote:
> > My transmission is getting a little harsh when shifting into 2nd,
> > particularly when cold. A friend with a VW says that his old tranny
> > (180k miles) shift a lot better after he put Redline MTL in it.
> >
> > Somewhere I believe I have heard or read that people have experienced
> > premature failure of the transmission seals after putting in Redline
> > MTL. Is there something to this, or is this something I have dreamt?
>
> _only_ use honda z1 atf in a honda automatic transmission. they use
> different clutch mechanisms to any other type of automatic and they need
> a specialized fluid accordingly.

Re: Redline MTL in Honda tranny.
 

I forgot to state that the transmission a a manual 5-speed. Kind of
important. isn't it?

jim beam wrote:
>
> Randolph wrote:
> > My transmission is getting a little harsh when shifting into 2nd,
> > particularly when cold. A friend with a VW says that his old tranny
> > (180k miles) shift a lot better after he put Redline MTL in it.
> >
> > Somewhere I believe I have heard or read that people have experienced
> > premature failure of the transmission seals after putting in Redline
> > MTL. Is there something to this, or is this something I have dreamt?
>
> _only_ use honda z1 atf in a honda automatic transmission. they use
> different clutch mechanisms to any other type of automatic and they need
> a specialized fluid accordingly.

Re: Redline MTL in Honda tranny.
 

Randolph wrote:
> I forgot to state that the transmission a a manual 5-speed. Kind of
> important. isn't it?
>
> jim beam wrote:
>
>>Randolph wrote:
>>
>>>My transmission is getting a little harsh when shifting into 2nd,
>>>particularly when cold. A friend with a VW says that his old tranny
>>>(180k miles) shift a lot better after he put Redline MTL in it.
>>>
>>>Somewhere I believe I have heard or read that people have experienced
>>>premature failure of the transmission seals after putting in Redline
>>>MTL. Is there something to this, or is this something I have dreamt?
>>
>>_only_ use honda z1 atf in a honda automatic transmission. they use
>>different clutch mechanisms to any other type of automatic and they need
>>a specialized fluid accordingly.

kinda.

Re: Redline MTL in Honda tranny.
 

Randolph wrote:
> I forgot to state that the transmission a a manual 5-speed. Kind of
> important. isn't it?
>
> jim beam wrote:
>
>>Randolph wrote:
>>
>>>My transmission is getting a little harsh when shifting into 2nd,
>>>particularly when cold. A friend with a VW says that his old tranny
>>>(180k miles) shift a lot better after he put Redline MTL in it.
>>>
>>>Somewhere I believe I have heard or read that people have experienced
>>>premature failure of the transmission seals after putting in Redline
>>>MTL. Is there something to this, or is this something I have dreamt?
>>
>>_only_ use honda z1 atf in a honda automatic transmission. they use
>>different clutch mechanisms to any other type of automatic and they need
>>a specialized fluid accordingly.

kinda.

Re: Redline MTL in Honda tranny.
 

Randolph wrote:
> I forgot to state that the transmission a a manual 5-speed. Kind of
> important. isn't it?
>

------------------

Mentioning your mileage is a helpful idea too. Your old tranny lube may
just be exhausted. (or some clown already put non-honda stuff in it)Put
in Honda MTF and see. It's not like you're buying five gallons :-)

'Curly'

Re: Redline MTL in Honda tranny.
 

Randolph wrote:
> I forgot to state that the transmission a a manual 5-speed. Kind of
> important. isn't it?
>

------------------

Mentioning your mileage is a helpful idea too. Your old tranny lube may
just be exhausted. (or some clown already put non-honda stuff in it)Put
in Honda MTF and see. It's not like you're buying five gallons :-)

'Curly'

Re: Redline MTL in Honda tranny.
 

motsco_ _ wrote:
>
> Mentioning your mileage is a helpful idea too. Your old tranny lube may
> just be exhausted. (or some clown already put non-honda stuff in it)Put
> in Honda MTF and see. It's not like you're buying five gallons :-)
>
> 'Curly'

Good point. '94 Civic Si, mileage now at 104k, transmission fluid
replaced about every 30k, last time at 94k at independent shop that
swore they used Honda MTL. No noticeable change in tranny behavior after
the 94k change.

Googleing, I found that the complaint was not seal failures as I
remembered, but a bearing cage failure. I found one report of this, but
no cause and effect analysis. I found a number of reports from people
having used Redline MTL in Hondas over long distances with no issues.
Redline tech support recommends their MTL for the Civic in Northern
California's moderate climate.

I'll change to Redline MTL some time in the next week or so unless
someone points out a compelling reason not to.

Thanks for all your thoughts and comments.

Re: Redline MTL in Honda tranny.
 

motsco_ _ wrote:
>
> Mentioning your mileage is a helpful idea too. Your old tranny lube may
> just be exhausted. (or some clown already put non-honda stuff in it)Put
> in Honda MTF and see. It's not like you're buying five gallons :-)
>
> 'Curly'

Good point. '94 Civic Si, mileage now at 104k, transmission fluid
replaced about every 30k, last time at 94k at independent shop that
swore they used Honda MTL. No noticeable change in tranny behavior after
the 94k change.

Googleing, I found that the complaint was not seal failures as I
remembered, but a bearing cage failure. I found one report of this, but
no cause and effect analysis. I found a number of reports from people
having used Redline MTL in Hondas over long distances with no issues.
Redline tech support recommends their MTL for the Civic in Northern
California's moderate climate.

I'll change to Redline MTL some time in the next week or so unless
someone points out a compelling reason not to.

Thanks for all your thoughts and comments.

Re: Redline MTL in Honda tranny.
 

motsco_ _ wrote:
> Randolph wrote:
>
>> I forgot to state that the transmission a a manual 5-speed. Kind of
>> important. isn't it?
>>
>
> ------------------
>
> Mentioning your mileage is a helpful idea too. Your old tranny lube may
> just be exhausted. (or some clown already put non-honda stuff in it)Put
> in Honda MTF and see. It's not like you're buying five gallons :-)
>
> 'Curly'
>

I guess I was a clown for following the recommendation of 10w-40 for the
manual tranny in my '91 Civic in the owner's manual. I started using
Honda MTF after reading on RAMH that the older API rated oil was
appropriate, but the newer formulations have dropped some of the
ingredients that were good to the trannys before.

Mark

Re: Redline MTL in Honda tranny.
 

motsco_ _ wrote:
> Randolph wrote:
>
>> I forgot to state that the transmission a a manual 5-speed. Kind of
>> important. isn't it?
>>
>
> ------------------
>
> Mentioning your mileage is a helpful idea too. Your old tranny lube may
> just be exhausted. (or some clown already put non-honda stuff in it)Put
> in Honda MTF and see. It's not like you're buying five gallons :-)
>
> 'Curly'
>

I guess I was a clown for following the recommendation of 10w-40 for the
manual tranny in my '91 Civic in the owner's manual. I started using
Honda MTF after reading on RAMH that the older API rated oil was
appropriate, but the newer formulations have dropped some of the
ingredients that were good to the trannys before.

Mark

Re: Redline MTL in Honda tranny.
 

I'd play it safe and only use the Honda tranny oil. Considering that I live
up north (Canada) and the shifting quality is acceptable in extreme cold,
I'd stay with the Honda stuff. If shifting is poor in your car, I'd get the
oil flushed out (couple times if need be) until it gets back to normal.

Pars
98 Civic Hatch (5 speed, 210000km, original tranny & clutch).

>
> Good point. '94 Civic Si, mileage now at 104k, transmission fluid
> replaced about every 30k, last time at 94k at independent shop that
> swore they used Honda MTL. No noticeable change in tranny behavior after
> the 94k change.
>
> Googleing, I found that the complaint was not seal failures as I
> remembered, but a bearing cage failure. I found one report of this, but
> no cause and effect analysis. I found a number of reports from people
> having used Redline MTL in Hondas over long distances with no issues.
> Redline tech support recommends their MTL for the Civic in Northern
> California's moderate climate.
>
> I'll change to Redline MTL some time in the next week or so unless
> someone points out a compelling reason not to.
>
> Thanks for all your thoughts and comments.

Re: Redline MTL in Honda tranny.
 

I'd play it safe and only use the Honda tranny oil. Considering that I live
up north (Canada) and the shifting quality is acceptable in extreme cold,
I'd stay with the Honda stuff. If shifting is poor in your car, I'd get the
oil flushed out (couple times if need be) until it gets back to normal.

Pars
98 Civic Hatch (5 speed, 210000km, original tranny & clutch).

>
> Good point. '94 Civic Si, mileage now at 104k, transmission fluid
> replaced about every 30k, last time at 94k at independent shop that
> swore they used Honda MTL. No noticeable change in tranny behavior after
> the 94k change.
>
> Googleing, I found that the complaint was not seal failures as I
> remembered, but a bearing cage failure. I found one report of this, but
> no cause and effect analysis. I found a number of reports from people
> having used Redline MTL in Hondas over long distances with no issues.
> Redline tech support recommends their MTL for the Civic in Northern
> California's moderate climate.
>
> I'll change to Redline MTL some time in the next week or so unless
> someone points out a compelling reason not to.
>
> Thanks for all your thoughts and comments.

Re: Redline MTL in Honda tranny.
 

Don't do it. Use the Honda MTL or Pennzoil Synchromesh.

What tranny you have? A VW?
"Randolph" <trash@junkmail.com> wrote in message
news:41ABEC70.7CFC988D@junkmail.com...
> My transmission is getting a little harsh when shifting into 2nd,
> particularly when cold. A friend with a VW says that his old tranny
> (180k miles) shift a lot better after he put Redline MTL in it.
>
> Somewhere I believe I have heard or read that people have experienced
> premature failure of the transmission seals after putting in Redline
> MTL. Is there something to this, or is this something I have dreamt?

Re: Redline MTL in Honda tranny.
 

Don't do it. Use the Honda MTL or Pennzoil Synchromesh.

What tranny you have? A VW?
"Randolph" <trash@junkmail.com> wrote in message
news:41ABEC70.7CFC988D@junkmail.com...
> My transmission is getting a little harsh when shifting into 2nd,
> particularly when cold. A friend with a VW says that his old tranny
> (180k miles) shift a lot better after he put Redline MTL in it.
>
> Somewhere I believe I have heard or read that people have experienced
> premature failure of the transmission seals after putting in Redline
> MTL. Is there something to this, or is this something I have dreamt?

Re: Redline MTL in Honda tranny.
 

Mista Bone wrote:
>
> Don't do it. Use the Honda MTL or Pennzoil Synchromesh.
>
> What tranny you have? A VW?

'94 Civic Si 5 speed. Any particular reason you are adamant about not
using Redline MTL?

Re: Redline MTL in Honda tranny.
 

Mista Bone wrote:
>
> Don't do it. Use the Honda MTL or Pennzoil Synchromesh.
>
> What tranny you have? A VW?

'94 Civic Si 5 speed. Any particular reason you are adamant about not
using Redline MTL?

Re: Redline MTL in Honda tranny.
 

Randolph wrote:

> Mista Bone wrote:
>
>>Don't do it. Use the Honda MTL or Pennzoil Synchromesh.
>>
>>What tranny you have? A VW?
>
>
> '94 Civic Si 5 speed. Any particular reason you are adamant about not
> using Redline MTL?

I'm interested in this issue myself. The manual specifies ordinary
10w-30 or 10w-40. What's the need for Honda MTL? I recently bought
10w-30 (thinner for winter) for my 94 Civic EX and was planning to
change it soon, since I doubt the prev owner ever did it.

Lowest winter temps here are maybe 0 F. At about 30 last night and not
having driven it in a week, it was a tad difficult to get it into first.
116K miles. I'll probably give the regular oil a shot and see how it
goes. If the that's in there now is ancient, as I suspect after
seeing the brake fluid, I expect I'll see improvement.

Re: Redline MTL in Honda tranny.
 

Randolph wrote:

> Mista Bone wrote:
>
>>Don't do it. Use the Honda MTL or Pennzoil Synchromesh.
>>
>>What tranny you have? A VW?
>
>
> '94 Civic Si 5 speed. Any particular reason you are adamant about not
> using Redline MTL?

I'm interested in this issue myself. The manual specifies ordinary
10w-30 or 10w-40. What's the need for Honda MTL? I recently bought
10w-30 (thinner for winter) for my 94 Civic EX and was planning to
change it soon, since I doubt the prev owner ever did it.

Lowest winter temps here are maybe 0 F. At about 30 last night and not
having driven it in a week, it was a tad difficult to get it into first.
116K miles. I'll probably give the regular oil a shot and see how it
goes. If the that's in there now is ancient, as I suspect after
seeing the brake fluid, I expect I'll see improvement.

Re: Redline MTL in Honda tranny.
 

Abeness wrote:
> Randolph wrote:
>
>> Mista Bone wrote:
>>
>>> Don't do it. Use the Honda MTL or Pennzoil Synchromesh.
>>>
>>> What tranny you have? A VW?
>>
>>
>>
>> '94 Civic Si 5 speed. Any particular reason you are adamant about not
>> using Redline MTL?
>
>
> I'm interested in this issue myself. The manual specifies ordinary
> 10w-30 or 10w-40. What's the need for Honda MTL? I recently bought
> 10w-30 (thinner for winter) for my 94 Civic EX and was planning to
> change it soon, since I doubt the prev owner ever did it.
>
> Lowest winter temps here are maybe 0 F. At about 30 last night and not
> having driven it in a week, it was a tad difficult to get it into first.
> 116K miles. I'll probably give the regular oil a shot and see how it
> goes. If the that's in there now is ancient, as I suspect after
> seeing the brake fluid, I expect I'll see improvement.

========================

The manual you're quoting is NINE years old . . .The petroleum industry
(and Honda) have come up with a lot of better ideas since then. They
wouldn't be recommending anything that would be a step backwards, I'm
sure.:-)


'Curly'

Re: Redline MTL in Honda tranny.
 

Abeness wrote:
> Randolph wrote:
>
>> Mista Bone wrote:
>>
>>> Don't do it. Use the Honda MTL or Pennzoil Synchromesh.
>>>
>>> What tranny you have? A VW?
>>
>>
>>
>> '94 Civic Si 5 speed. Any particular reason you are adamant about not
>> using Redline MTL?
>
>
> I'm interested in this issue myself. The manual specifies ordinary
> 10w-30 or 10w-40. What's the need for Honda MTL? I recently bought
> 10w-30 (thinner for winter) for my 94 Civic EX and was planning to
> change it soon, since I doubt the prev owner ever did it.
>
> Lowest winter temps here are maybe 0 F. At about 30 last night and not
> having driven it in a week, it was a tad difficult to get it into first.
> 116K miles. I'll probably give the regular oil a shot and see how it
> goes. If the that's in there now is ancient, as I suspect after
> seeing the brake fluid, I expect I'll see improvement.

========================

The manual you're quoting is NINE years old . . .The petroleum industry
(and Honda) have come up with a lot of better ideas since then. They
wouldn't be recommending anything that would be a step backwards, I'm
sure.:-)


'Curly'

Re: Redline MTL in Honda tranny.
 

motsco_ _ wrote:
> The manual you're quoting is NINE years old . . .The petroleum industry
> (and Honda) have come up with a lot of better ideas since then. They
> wouldn't be recommending anything that would be a step backwards, I'm
> sure.:-)

True enough. I suppose the question is, however, whether what the manual
recommends is sufficient. Obviously it was, at the time.

Re: Redline MTL in Honda tranny.
 

motsco_ _ wrote:
> The manual you're quoting is NINE years old . . .The petroleum industry
> (and Honda) have come up with a lot of better ideas since then. They
> wouldn't be recommending anything that would be a step backwards, I'm
> sure.:-)

True enough. I suppose the question is, however, whether what the manual
recommends is sufficient. Obviously it was, at the time.

Re: Redline MTL in Honda tranny.
 

Abeness wrote:

> Randolph wrote:
>
>> Mista Bone wrote:
>>
>>> Don't do it. Use the Honda MTL or Pennzoil Synchromesh.
>>>
>>> What tranny you have? A VW?
>>
>>
>>
>> '94 Civic Si 5 speed. Any particular reason you are adamant about not
>> using Redline MTL?
>
>
> I'm interested in this issue myself. The manual specifies ordinary
> 10w-30 or 10w-40. What's the need for Honda MTL? I recently bought
> 10w-30 (thinner for winter) for my 94 Civic EX and was planning to
> change it soon, since I doubt the prev owner ever did it.

i wonder if a regular mobil1 synth would work.
>
> Lowest winter temps here are maybe 0 F. At about 30 last night and not
> having driven it in a week, it was a tad difficult to get it into first.
> 116K miles. I'll probably give the regular oil a shot and see how it
> goes. If the that's in there now is ancient, as I suspect after
> seeing the brake fluid, I expect I'll see improvement.

hopefully. i replaced the tranny fluid on an old MG midget w/ 4speed
manual and it made a pretty big difference. lost all its notchiness.

and that was just replacing with the recommended 75/80wt gear oil.

Re: Redline MTL in Honda tranny.
 

Abeness wrote:

> Randolph wrote:
>
>> Mista Bone wrote:
>>
>>> Don't do it. Use the Honda MTL or Pennzoil Synchromesh.
>>>
>>> What tranny you have? A VW?
>>
>>
>>
>> '94 Civic Si 5 speed. Any particular reason you are adamant about not
>> using Redline MTL?
>
>
> I'm interested in this issue myself. The manual specifies ordinary
> 10w-30 or 10w-40. What's the need for Honda MTL? I recently bought
> 10w-30 (thinner for winter) for my 94 Civic EX and was planning to
> change it soon, since I doubt the prev owner ever did it.

i wonder if a regular mobil1 synth would work.
>
> Lowest winter temps here are maybe 0 F. At about 30 last night and not
> having driven it in a week, it was a tad difficult to get it into first.
> 116K miles. I'll probably give the regular oil a shot and see how it
> goes. If the that's in there now is ancient, as I suspect after
> seeing the brake fluid, I expect I'll see improvement.

hopefully. i replaced the tranny fluid on an old MG midget w/ 4speed
manual and it made a pretty big difference. lost all its notchiness.

and that was just replacing with the recommended 75/80wt gear oil.

Re: Redline MTL in Honda tranny.
 

motsco_ _ wrote:

> Abeness wrote:
>
>> Randolph wrote:
>>
>>> Mista Bone wrote:
>>>
>>>> Don't do it. Use the Honda MTL or Pennzoil Synchromesh.
>>>>
>>>> What tranny you have? A VW?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> '94 Civic Si 5 speed. Any particular reason you are adamant about not
>>> using Redline MTL?
>>
>>
>>
>> I'm interested in this issue myself. The manual specifies ordinary
>> 10w-30 or 10w-40. What's the need for Honda MTL? I recently bought
>> 10w-30 (thinner for winter) for my 94 Civic EX and was planning to
>> change it soon, since I doubt the prev owner ever did it.
>>
>> Lowest winter temps here are maybe 0 F. At about 30 last night and not
>> having driven it in a week, it was a tad difficult to get it into
>> first. 116K miles. I'll probably give the regular oil a shot and see
>> how it goes. If the that's in there now is ancient, as I suspect
>> after seeing the brake fluid, I expect I'll see improvement.
>
>
> ========================
>
> The manual you're quoting is NINE years old . . .The petroleum industry
> (and Honda) have come up with a lot of better ideas since then. They
> wouldn't be recommending anything that would be a step backwards, I'm
> sure.:-)
>

might some of the newer stuff actually be *too* good? as in too
slippery, etc?

Re: Redline MTL in Honda tranny.
 

motsco_ _ wrote:

> Abeness wrote:
>
>> Randolph wrote:
>>
>>> Mista Bone wrote:
>>>
>>>> Don't do it. Use the Honda MTL or Pennzoil Synchromesh.
>>>>
>>>> What tranny you have? A VW?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> '94 Civic Si 5 speed. Any particular reason you are adamant about not
>>> using Redline MTL?
>>
>>
>>
>> I'm interested in this issue myself. The manual specifies ordinary
>> 10w-30 or 10w-40. What's the need for Honda MTL? I recently bought
>> 10w-30 (thinner for winter) for my 94 Civic EX and was planning to
>> change it soon, since I doubt the prev owner ever did it.
>>
>> Lowest winter temps here are maybe 0 F. At about 30 last night and not
>> having driven it in a week, it was a tad difficult to get it into
>> first. 116K miles. I'll probably give the regular oil a shot and see
>> how it goes. If the that's in there now is ancient, as I suspect
>> after seeing the brake fluid, I expect I'll see improvement.
>
>
> ========================
>
> The manual you're quoting is NINE years old . . .The petroleum industry
> (and Honda) have come up with a lot of better ideas since then. They
> wouldn't be recommending anything that would be a step backwards, I'm
> sure.:-)
>

might some of the newer stuff actually be *too* good? as in too
slippery, etc?

Re: Redline MTL in Honda tranny.
 

SoCalMike wrote:

> > The manual you're quoting is NINE years old . . .The petroleum industry
> > (and Honda) have come up with a lot of better ideas since then. They
> > wouldn't be recommending anything that would be a step backwards, I'm
> > sure.:-)

> might some of the newer stuff actually be *too* good? as in too
> slippery, etc?

Using a synthetic motor oil in the transmission is a problem because it
is too slippery. The synthetic transmission fluids are formulated to
give appropriate friction for synchronizers etc.

Re: Redline MTL in Honda tranny.
 

SoCalMike wrote:

> > The manual you're quoting is NINE years old . . .The petroleum industry
> > (and Honda) have come up with a lot of better ideas since then. They
> > wouldn't be recommending anything that would be a step backwards, I'm
> > sure.:-)

> might some of the newer stuff actually be *too* good? as in too
> slippery, etc?

Using a synthetic motor oil in the transmission is a problem because it
is too slippery. The synthetic transmission fluids are formulated to
give appropriate friction for synchronizers etc.

Re: Redline MTL in Honda tranny.
 

SoCalMike wrote:
> might some of the newer stuff actually be *too* good? as in too
> slippery, etc?

How could it be too slippery? Once the gears are engaged, they ain't
gonna slip away from each other. Seems like it could only be an improvement.

Re: Redline MTL in Honda tranny.
 

SoCalMike wrote:
> might some of the newer stuff actually be *too* good? as in too
> slippery, etc?

How could it be too slippery? Once the gears are engaged, they ain't
gonna slip away from each other. Seems like it could only be an improvement.

Re: Redline MTL in Honda tranny.
 

SoCalMike wrote:
> hopefully. i replaced the tranny fluid on an old MG midget w/ 4speed
> manual and it made a pretty big difference. lost all its notchiness.
>
> and that was just replacing with the recommended 75/80wt gear oil.

We shall see.... <g>

Re: Redline MTL in Honda tranny.
 

SoCalMike wrote:
> hopefully. i replaced the tranny fluid on an old MG midget w/ 4speed
> manual and it made a pretty big difference. lost all its notchiness.
>
> and that was just replacing with the recommended 75/80wt gear oil.

We shall see.... <g>

Re: Redline MTL in Honda tranny.
 

Randolph wrote:
> Using a synthetic motor oil in the transmission is a problem because it
> is too slippery. The synthetic transmission fluids are formulated to
> give appropriate friction for synchronizers etc.

Hmmm, OK.

Re: Redline MTL in Honda tranny.
 

Randolph wrote:
> Using a synthetic motor oil in the transmission is a problem because it
> is too slippery. The synthetic transmission fluids are formulated to
> give appropriate friction for synchronizers etc.

Hmmm, OK.

Re: Redline MTL in Honda tranny.
 

Abeness wrote:
> SoCalMike wrote:
>
>> might some of the newer stuff actually be *too* good? as in too
>> slippery, etc?
>
>
> How could it be too slippery?

for the synchros to work effectively.

> Once the gears are engaged, they ain't
> gonna slip away from each other. Seems like it could only be an
> improvement.