Re: Request opinions on my sort-of-new Accord
"Jeff Strickland" <crwlrjeff@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:h92sq0$e7g$1@news.eternal-september.org... > > "hls" <hls@nospam.nix> wrote in message > news:VP2dnUKDuNYDbCnXnZ2dnUVZ_t2dnZ2d@giganews.com ... > Having said all of that, I can't help but wonder why none of the Honda > forums are included in your crosspost. Because I dont go through and edit the newsgroups addresses, I guess. Maybe my newsgroup supplier filters them. I havent a clue. I dont have a Honda. My son is the Honda fan. My wife and I primarily drive Toyotas now, have about 7-8 different cars on the tax roles. I test drove Hondas the last couple of times we bought new cars, but they had a harsher ride feel than the Toyotas IMO. Nice, but not my cuppa... People like Sharx35 are probably best ignored. I have killfiled Mike Hunt over many newsgroups. |
Re: Request opinions on my sort-of-new Accord
On 09/21/2009 11:17 AM, hls wrote:
> > "jim beam" <me@privacy.net> wrote in message > news:meKdnVFqzeV0binXnZ2dnUVZ_jednZ2d@speakeasy.ne t... >> On 09/19/2009 07:56 AM, hls wrote: >>> >>> "jim beam" <me@privacy.net> wrote in message >>>>> >>>>> Almost any rotors CAN warp if they are mistreated seriously enough. >>>> >>>> but that almost never happens. even if you get those disks cherry red, >>>> you'll have a real hard time warping them. >>> >>> >>> I have seen it happen rather frequently. >> >> you've seen the symptoms of the braking problem, but i'll bet you >> haven't seen [or measured] actual disk warpage. > > Yes, I have. You are apparently not paying attention. i was paying attention. absent your presenting any info on how you determined that warpage has actually occurred, and to what extent it had happened, there is nothing to distinguish what you describe from the much more common problem i'm describing. how did you make the differentiation? |
Re: Request opinions on my sort-of-new Accord
"jim beam" <me@privacy.net> wrote in message news:N6OdnQd- >> Yes, I have. You are apparently not paying attention. > > i was paying attention. absent your presenting any info on how you > determined that warpage has actually occurred, and to what extent it had > happened, there is nothing to distinguish what you describe from the > much more common problem i'm describing. how did you make the > differentiation? Chocked them up in the brake lathe and measured the side variation. You CAN measure the thickness variation, but I did not do that. Should have. |
Re: Request opinions on my sort-of-new Accord
In article <xXTsm.44417$Db2.1666@edtnps83>, sharx35@hotmail.com says...
> Indeed, yes. The rest of you are pansy, Honda-driving faggots. > Wanna remove your pov spec Toyota out of the Luxury lane, you are blocking the progress of the Lexus drivers. -- Carl Robson Get cashback on your purchases Topcashback http://www.TopCashBack.co.uk/skraggy_uk/ref/index.htm Greasypalm http://www.greasypalm.co.uk/r/?l=1006553 |
Re: Request opinions on my sort-of-new Accord
On 09/26/2009 06:03 AM, hls wrote:
> > "jim beam" <me@privacy.net> wrote in message news:N6OdnQd- >>> Yes, I have. You are apparently not paying attention. >> >> i was paying attention. absent your presenting any info on how you >> determined that warpage has actually occurred, and to what extent it >> had happened, there is nothing to distinguish what you describe from >> the much more common problem i'm describing. how did you make the >> differentiation? > > Chocked them up in the brake lathe and measured the side variation. that doesn't necessarily mean the disk is warped - it could just as easily be a seating problem, just like i described. > You > CAN measure the thickness variation, but I did not do that. Should have. if you didn't measure it, you can't say for sure that you have the correct diagnosis, merely that you had symptoms - and there is more than one cause of those symptoms, as i've said all along. |
Re: Request opinions on my sort-of-new Accord
"Otis" <rev_otis_mcnatt@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:46e0adf3-8842-4fee-8280-b338ff4c231d@m11g2000vbl.googlegroups.com... > General questions which is why I included five NG's. > > I've actually had the car for almost a year (bought 9-25-08). > > The car had a mild steering wheel shimmy at 60-70 mph that > I noticed driving it home from the dealership the day I bought it. > The car had not been sitting on the lot long ( a week or so, being > recently delivered), so I doubt there were flat spots on the tires. > I decided to let it go and forget about it. Still, you don't expect > this with a brand new car with six miles on it and equipped with > Michelins. The shimmy pretty much stayed, but as I said, > it is mild. I rotated the tires at about 6500 miles a couple of > months ago, which is when the little Honda Maintenance Minder > told me to (cross to front as the manual said). > > Since then, I've noticed that, along with the usual shimmy, it gets > a good deal worse when I press the brake at highway speeds. > I doubt very seriously that the rotors are warped, but that the wheels > were somehow not completely balanced at the factory. And maybe > crossing the tires at rotation made the effect worse. That's my > guess. > I took the car out to the dlership today, explained, and the guy > wanted > to check the brakes (he said three hours for some reason) and possibly > *turn* the rotors. Why? I've never had rotors turned in my life; > if they > got too grooved I'd just replace them. Considering the time, and his > talking about turning rotors, I decided to hold off for now. Do you > think > I should take the car in and have them at least check the balance > on the wheels (free till the 1 year anniversary of purchase)? I could > just see those guys working on the car, and driving off with it > *worse* > than before. I've had this happen occasionally over the years. > > And a-n-o-t-h-e-r thing..... > > I was recently talking casually to a guy who runs a body shop. We > were near my Accord and he immediately mentioned that the gap > between the hood and fender on the left was not the same as the > corresponding gap on the right side of the hood. And sure enough, > it wasn't, and very noticeable even though I never noticed. He said > that was very unusual for Honda and even asked me if the car had > been wrecked. Pic link below. There is sunlight reflection a > little > on the left gap, but you should still be able to see it. The gap on > left is noticeably bigger than the one on the right. The hood > opens and closes nicely and everything seems tight and right, > but it does look kind of bad. What do you guys think? Should > I complain to Honda about it? Thanks a lot. > > http://s603.photobucket.com/albums/t...t=GEDC0178.jpg Don't discount the fact you may have a bad axle. Very rare but it does happen. Be careful on what you do yourself to try to fix your shimmy problem. If it doesn't fix the problem and you then go to your dealer he may see that you've tampered with it and assume you caused the problem with the work you've done. If in the course of diagnosis at your dealership they rebalance your tires ask if they have a wheel balancer that measures "road force variation". This usually measures a pull to one side or another due to a defect in manufacturing of the tire and can often indicate an out of round condition on a tire that may cause your problem. If I were you I'd have the hood realigned. Someone else might notice the different gap and assume you've been in an accident. It's an easy fix of loosening the bolts on the hood hinges and realigning. Also, if it were mine I'd want my new car to run and look like a new car. Good luck. |
Re: Request opinions on my sort-of-new Accord
On Sep 28, 10:51 pm, "HowardH" <howa...@cybrstar.com> wrote:
> "Otis" <rev_otis_mcn...@yahoo.com> wrote in message > > news:46e0adf3-8842-4fee-8280-b338ff4c231d@m11g2000vbl.googlegroups.com... > > > > > General questions which is why I included five NG's. > > > I've actually had the car for almost a year (bought 9-25-08). > > > The car had a mild steering wheel shimmy at 60-70 mph that > > I noticed driving it home from the dealership the day I bought it. > > The car had not been sitting on the lot long ( a week or so, being > > recently delivered), so I doubt there were flat spots on the tires. > > I decided to let it go and forget about it. Still, you don't expect > > this with a brand new car with six miles on it and equipped with > > Michelins. The shimmy pretty much stayed, but as I said, > > it is mild. I rotated the tires at about 6500 miles a couple of > > months ago, which is when the little Honda Maintenance Minder > > told me to (cross to front as the manual said). > > > Since then, I've noticed that, along with the usual shimmy, it gets > > a good deal worse when I press the brake at highway speeds. > > I doubt very seriously that the rotors are warped, but that the wheels > > were somehow not completely balanced at the factory. And maybe > > crossing the tires at rotation made the effect worse. That's my > > guess. > > I took the car out to the dlership today, explained, and the guy > > wanted > > to check the brakes (he said three hours for some reason) and possibly > > *turn* the rotors. Why? I've never had rotors turned in my life; > > if they > > got too grooved I'd just replace them. Considering the time, and his > > talking about turning rotors, I decided to hold off for now. Do you > > think > > I should take the car in and have them at least check the balance > > on the wheels (free till the 1 year anniversary of purchase)? I could > > just see those guys working on the car, and driving off with it > > *worse* > > than before. I've had this happen occasionally over the years. > > > And a-n-o-t-h-e-r thing..... > > > I was recently talking casually to a guy who runs a body shop. We > > were near my Accord and he immediately mentioned that the gap > > between the hood and fender on the left was not the same as the > > corresponding gap on the right side of the hood. And sure enough, > > it wasn't, and very noticeable even though I never noticed. He said > > that was very unusual for Honda and even asked me if the car had > > been wrecked. Pic link below. There is sunlight reflection a > > little > > on the left gap, but you should still be able to see it. The gap on > > left is noticeably bigger than the one on the right. The hood > > opens and closes nicely and everything seems tight and right, > > but it does look kind of bad. What do you guys think? Should > > I complain to Honda about it? Thanks a lot. > > >http://s603.photobucket.com/albums/t...n=view¤t.... > > Don't discount the fact you may have a bad axle. Very rare but it does > happen. > Be careful on what you do yourself to try to fix your shimmy problem. If it > doesn't fix the problem and you then go to your dealer he may see that > you've tampered with it and assume you caused the problem with the work > you've done. I've decided for now to just live with it. After checking with some Honda forums, I've learned that this is not that uncommon, surprisingly. As I said, it is pretty minor, and I am reluctant to have them start working on it. But I completely agree with what you said about doing work and giving Honda an excuse. > If I were you I'd have the hood realigned. Someone else might notice the > different gap and assume you've been in an accident. It's an easy fix of > loosening the bolts on the hood hinges and realigning. > Also, if it were mine I'd want my new car to run and look like a new car. > Good luck. Thanks. As far as the gap thing. Haven't decided. I actually went to a nearby dealership and looked at some '09s the other night, checking gaps, and believe it or not, I saw other brand new cars on the lot that did not have the exact same amount of gap. One of the Accords sitting right out front had nearly the same problem with gap that my car has. The difference in gap width was almost as bad as with mine; same sides too. One thing though...you mentioned getting the hood realigned. My body shop friend said it would be an easy fix and he mentioned that the passenger side fender would just be unbolted and moved in a little. But I pointed out that if that was done, the fender would no longer be flush with the door edge. He then said something to the effect that that end wouldn't be moved much, etc. But in that case, the fender and hood edges would no longer be nicely parallel, as they are now..... So what you seem to be saying would make more sense, i.e. moving the hood slightly over. Then again, if that were done, would the hood still close nice and precise as it does now? |
Re: Request opinions on my sort-of-new Accord
"Otis" <rev_otis_mcnatt@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:5e0d8e3f-df18-41bf-9252-4013a5a95a30@l13g2000yqb.googlegroups.com... On Sep 28, 10:51 pm, "HowardH" <howa...@cybrstar.com> wrote: > "Otis" <rev_otis_mcn...@yahoo.com> wrote in message > > news:46e0adf3-8842-4fee-8280-b338ff4c231d@m11g2000vbl.googlegroups.com... > > > > > General questions which is why I included five NG's. > > > I've actually had the car for almost a year (bought 9-25-08). > > > The car had a mild steering wheel shimmy at 60-70 mph that > > I noticed driving it home from the dealership the day I bought it. > > The car had not been sitting on the lot long ( a week or so, being > > recently delivered), so I doubt there were flat spots on the tires. > > I decided to let it go and forget about it. Still, you don't expect > > this with a brand new car with six miles on it and equipped with > > Michelins. The shimmy pretty much stayed, but as I said, > > it is mild. I rotated the tires at about 6500 miles a couple of > > months ago, which is when the little Honda Maintenance Minder > > told me to (cross to front as the manual said). > > > Since then, I've noticed that, along with the usual shimmy, it gets > > a good deal worse when I press the brake at highway speeds. > > I doubt very seriously that the rotors are warped, but that the wheels > > were somehow not completely balanced at the factory. And maybe > > crossing the tires at rotation made the effect worse. That's my > > guess. > > I took the car out to the dlership today, explained, and the guy > > wanted > > to check the brakes (he said three hours for some reason) and possibly > > *turn* the rotors. Why? I've never had rotors turned in my life; > > if they > > got too grooved I'd just replace them. Considering the time, and his > > talking about turning rotors, I decided to hold off for now. Do you > > think > > I should take the car in and have them at least check the balance > > on the wheels (free till the 1 year anniversary of purchase)? I could > > just see those guys working on the car, and driving off with it > > *worse* > > than before. I've had this happen occasionally over the years. > > > And a-n-o-t-h-e-r thing..... > > > I was recently talking casually to a guy who runs a body shop. We > > were near my Accord and he immediately mentioned that the gap > > between the hood and fender on the left was not the same as the > > corresponding gap on the right side of the hood. And sure enough, > > it wasn't, and very noticeable even though I never noticed. He said > > that was very unusual for Honda and even asked me if the car had > > been wrecked. Pic link below. There is sunlight reflection a > > little > > on the left gap, but you should still be able to see it. The gap on > > left is noticeably bigger than the one on the right. The hood > > opens and closes nicely and everything seems tight and right, > > but it does look kind of bad. What do you guys think? Should > > I complain to Honda about it? Thanks a lot. > > >http://s603.photobucket.com/albums/t...n=view¤t... > > Don't discount the fact you may have a bad axle. Very rare but it does > happen. > Be careful on what you do yourself to try to fix your shimmy problem. If > it > doesn't fix the problem and you then go to your dealer he may see that > you've tampered with it and assume you caused the problem with the work > you've done. I've decided for now to just live with it. After checking with some Honda forums, I've learned that this is not that uncommon, surprisingly. As I said, it is pretty minor, and I am reluctant to have them start working on it. But I completely agree with what you said about doing work and giving Honda an excuse. > If I were you I'd have the hood realigned. Someone else might notice the > different gap and assume you've been in an accident. It's an easy fix of > loosening the bolts on the hood hinges and realigning. > Also, if it were mine I'd want my new car to run and look like a new car. > Good luck. Thanks. As far as the gap thing. Haven't decided. I actually went to a nearby dealership and looked at some '09s the other night, checking gaps, and believe it or not, I saw other brand new cars on the lot that did not have the exact same amount of gap. One of the Accords sitting right out front had nearly the same problem with gap that my car has. The difference in gap width was almost as bad as with mine; same sides too. One thing though...you mentioned getting the hood realigned. My body shop friend said it would be an easy fix and he mentioned that the passenger side fender would just be unbolted and moved in a little. But I pointed out that if that was done, the fender would no longer be flush with the door edge. He then said something to the effect that that end wouldn't be moved much, etc. But in that case, the fender and hood edges would no longer be nicely parallel, as they are now..... So what you seem to be saying would make more sense, i.e. moving the hood slightly over. Then again, if that were done, would the hood still close nice and precise as it does now? *********** Properly done, yes. -- Ray O (correct punctuation to reply) |
Re: Request opinions on my sort-of-new Accord
"So what you seem to be saying would make more sense,
i.e. moving the hood slightly over. Then again, if that were done, would the hood still close nice and precise as it does now?" Yes, it will close normally, if not better. |
Re: Request opinions on my sort-of-new Accord
Sharx35 wrote:
> > "Steve" <no@spam.thanks> wrote in message >> >> One ricemobile owner dissing another ricemobile of a different flavor. >> That right there is FUNNY. >> > > In these parts, Hondas are the favorite vehicles of Asian gang members. Honda == Toyota for all practical purposes. Who cares? |
Re: Request opinions on my sort-of-new Accord
"jim beam" <me@privacy.net> wrote in message news:hpqdne_tpoNguF3XnZ2dnUVZ_iwAAAAA@speakeasy.ne t... > On 09/26/2009 06:03 AM, hls wrote: >> >> "jim beam" <me@privacy.net> wrote in message news:N6OdnQd- >>>> Yes, I have. You are apparently not paying attention. >>> >>> i was paying attention. absent your presenting any info on how you >>> determined that warpage has actually occurred, and to what extent it >>> had happened, there is nothing to distinguish what you describe from >>> the much more common problem i'm describing. how did you make the >>> differentiation? >> >> Chocked them up in the brake lathe and measured the side variation. > > that doesn't necessarily mean the disk is warped - it could just as easily > be a seating problem, just like i described. > > >> You >> CAN measure the thickness variation, but I did not do that. Should have. > > if you didn't measure it, you can't say for sure that you have the correct > diagnosis, merely that you had symptoms - and there is more than one cause > of those symptoms, as i've said all along. Truing on the brake lathe cured the problems. It has not been a seating problem. Problem has occurred some weeks to months AFTER tires were rotated, etc., A seating problem would be immediate. |
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