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Results of Weekend Shopping for a New Car For My Mother
Earlier this month I asked for advice regarding a new car for my Mother to
replace a Ford Freestyle that was totaled in an accident. I mostly was looking for advice regarding the Toyota Venza and Highlander. Well we finally went shopping and my Mother is getting a new Highlander. We visited dealerships for Toyota, Honda, and Ford. We eliminated Nissan and GM from the shopping trip before we began, Where my Mother lives there are not any other choices within reasonable driving distance. We started out at the Toyota Dealership. First car was a Venza. I really liked this, but my Mother seemed completely uninterested. I am not sure why, but it was pretty much out of the running immediately. Next was the Highlander. This seemed to be an immediate hit. My Mother didn't want the third row seat, but it seems that is almost a universal option. I still preferred the Venza, but I wasn't the buyer. Next we visited the Honda dealer. The Pilot was immediately eliminated as wildly overpriced. My Mother liked the CR-V but it seems that dealers load them all up with options that jack up the price. To get one equipped reasonably you ended up with a sun roof my Mother didn't want and a price higher than the Highlander. The Ford dealer was last on the list. We immediately dismissed the Flex as too weird. My Sister liked the Edge and tried to find reasons why my Mother should get it. Unfortunately the dealer had none properly equipped for my Mother. The MSRP on the Edge was the highest of the vehicles we considered, but there were rebates that made the price competitive with the Highlander and the CR-V. I was really impressed with the new Taurus and thought my Mother should consider it, but She was firm in wanting something taller. I'll add a few comments oon the Taurus later. So in the end we finally settled on the Highlander. The Highlander was the cheapest of the vehicles (4 cylinder, cloth seats, third row seats). The CR-V was the most expensive, noisiest, smallest, but best equipped (leather seats, sun roof, electronic temperature control). The Edge had the best seating, biggest, most powerful engine, most attractive (to me), but got the worst gas mileage, and was hard to find properly equipped for my Mother. All the dealerships were very co-operative and none were busy. I believe my Mother will be happy with the Highlander. It is a little dull, but it has good room, decent gas mileage and the reliability is likely to be comparable to the Fords she is used to (can't be better, since she hasn't had a problem with a Ford in a decade). I was in agreement with the Highlander as the best choice. It was the closest of the vehicles to the Freestyle (aka Taurus X) that she owned. Too bad Ford decided to stop making those, I think if they still made them, we would have just got another. While the salesmen at the Ford dealer were trying to find a suitable Edge, I sent a long time looking at a new Taurus. The one I looked at was a very expensive Limited model with almost every option. It was $35K....way more than I would consider paying for the car. Still, it was very nice. Looks great, well assembled. My only gripe is with the width of the center console. I can't figure why companies (not just Ford) have to install consoles that eat up a third of the front passenger space. Because of the ridiculously wide console, the hip space available to front seat passengers is no better than in my much smaller Fusion. Other than this, I really liked the car. If I was in the market for a new car, I'd definitely be interested in a new Taurus - but not a Limited! Ed |
Re: Results of Weekend Shopping for a New Car For My Mother
On Sun, 18 Oct 2009 11:38:26 -0400, "C. E. White"
<cewhite3@mindspring.com> wrote: >Earlier this month I asked for advice regarding a new car for my Mother to >replace a Ford Freestyle that was totaled in an accident. I mostly was >looking for advice regarding the Toyota Venza and Highlander. Well we >finally went shopping and my Mother is getting a new Highlander I'm not disagreeing with your mom's choice but why does she need an SUV?? What were her needs from a technical perspective? |
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On 2009-10-18, Ashton Crusher <demi@moore.net> wrote:
> On Sun, 18 Oct 2009 11:38:26 -0400, "C. E. White" ><cewhite3@mindspring.com> wrote: > >>Earlier this month I asked for advice regarding a new car for my Mother to >>replace a Ford Freestyle that was totaled in an accident. I mostly was >>looking for advice regarding the Toyota Venza and Highlander. Well we >>finally went shopping and my Mother is getting a new Highlander > > I'm not disagreeing with your mom's choice but why does she need an > SUV?? What were her needs from a technical perspective? She didn't feel that smaller cars used enough gas... -- Joe - Linux User #449481/Ubuntu User #19733 joe at hits - buffalo dot com "Hate is baggage, life is too short to go around pissed off all the time..." - Danny, American History X |
Re: Results of Weekend Shopping for a New Car For My Mother
"Ashton Crusher" <demi@moore.net> wrote in message news:sm4nd5508255058r6g9uqtmqcpuulg2mb2@4ax.com... > On Sun, 18 Oct 2009 11:38:26 -0400, "C. E. White" > <cewhite3@mindspring.com> wrote: > >>Earlier this month I asked for advice regarding a new car for my Mother to >>replace a Ford Freestyle that was totaled in an accident. I mostly was >>looking for advice regarding the Toyota Venza and Highlander. Well we >>finally went shopping and my Mother is getting a new Highlander > > I'm not disagreeing with your mom's choice but why does she need an > SUV?? What were her needs from a technical perspective? For parking lot bumper car? |
Re: Results of Weekend Shopping for a New Car For My Mother
C. E. White wrote:
> Earlier this month I asked for advice regarding a new car for my Mother > to replace a Ford Freestyle that was totaled in an accident. I mostly > was looking for advice regarding the Toyota Venza and Highlander. Well > we finally went shopping and my Mother is getting a new Highlander. > > We visited dealerships for Toyota, Honda, and Ford. We eliminated Nissan > and GM from the shopping trip before we began, Where my Mother lives > there are not any other choices within reasonable driving distance. > > We started out at the Toyota Dealership. First car was a Venza. I really > liked this, but my Mother seemed completely uninterested. I am not sure > why, but it was pretty much out of the running immediately. Next was the > Highlander. This seemed to be an immediate hit. My Mother didn't want > the third row seat, but it seems that is almost a universal option. I > still preferred the Venza, but I wasn't the buyer. > > Next we visited the Honda dealer. The Pilot was immediately eliminated > as wildly overpriced. My Mother liked the CR-V but it seems that dealers > load them all up with options that jack up the price. To get one > equipped reasonably you ended up with a sun roof my Mother didn't want > and a price higher than the Highlander. > > The Ford dealer was last on the list. We immediately dismissed the Flex > as too weird. My Sister liked the Edge and tried to find reasons why my > Mother should get it. Unfortunately the dealer had none properly > equipped for my Mother. The MSRP on the Edge was the highest of the > vehicles we considered, but there were rebates that made the price > competitive with the Highlander and the CR-V. I was really impressed > with the new Taurus and thought my Mother should consider it, but She > was firm in wanting something taller. I'll add a few comments oon the > Taurus later. > > So in the end we finally settled on the Highlander. The Highlander was > the cheapest of the vehicles (4 cylinder, cloth seats, third row seats). > The CR-V was the most expensive, noisiest, smallest, but best equipped > (leather seats, sun roof, electronic temperature control). The Edge had > the best seating, biggest, most powerful engine, most attractive (to > me), but got the worst gas mileage, and was hard to find properly > equipped for my Mother. All the dealerships were very co-operative and > none were busy. I believe my Mother will be happy with the Highlander. > It is a little dull, but it has good room, decent gas mileage and the > reliability is likely to be comparable to the Fords she is used to > (can't be better, since she hasn't had a problem with a Ford in a > decade). I was in agreement with the Highlander as the best choice. It > was the closest of the vehicles to the Freestyle (aka Taurus X) that she > owned. Too bad Ford decided to stop making those, I think if they still > made them, we would have just got another. > > While the salesmen at the Ford dealer were trying to find a suitable > Edge, I sent a long time looking at a new Taurus. The one I looked at > was a very expensive Limited model with almost every option. It was > $35K....way more than I would consider paying for the car. Still, it was > very nice. Looks great, well assembled. My only gripe is with the width > of the center console. I can't figure why companies (not just Ford) have > to install consoles that eat up a third of the front passenger space. > Because of the ridiculously wide console, the hip space available to > front seat passengers is no better than in my much smaller Fusion. Other > than this, I really liked the car. If I was in the market for a new car, > I'd definitely be interested in a new Taurus - but not a Limited! If you preferred the Venza (as stated in the third paragraph of your post), why would you be interested in a Taurus? Does bad judgment run in your family? My apologies for leaving Ed's entire post in my reply, I did it to back up what I referred to in my response. |
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Brian Smith wrote:
> C. E. White wrote: <...> > If you preferred the Venza (as stated in the third paragraph of your > post), why would you be interested in a Taurus? Does bad judgment run in > your family? He thought the Venza was a better choice for his mother, not himself. For himself, he liked the Taurus. Jeff > My apologies for leaving Ed's entire post in my reply, I did it to > back up what I referred to in my response. |
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dr_jeff wrote:
> > He thought the Venza was a better choice for his mother, not himself. > For himself, he liked the Taurus. He didn't say that about the Venza at all. |
Re: Results of Weekend Shopping for a New Car For My Mother
Brian Smith wrote:
> dr_jeff wrote: >> >> He thought the Venza was a better choice for his mother, not himself. >> For himself, he liked the Taurus. > > He didn't say that about the Venza at all. Perhaps not. But it was clear from the context, perhaps including previous posts. |
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"Ashton Crusher" <demi@moore.net> wrote in message news:sm4nd5508255058r6g9uqtmqcpuulg2mb2@4ax.com... > On Sun, 18 Oct 2009 11:38:26 -0400, "C. E. White" > <cewhite3@mindspring.com> wrote: > >>Earlier this month I asked for advice regarding a new car for my >>Mother to >>replace a Ford Freestyle that was totaled in an accident. I mostly >>was >>looking for advice regarding the Toyota Venza and Highlander. Well >>we >>finally went shopping and my Mother is getting a new Highlander > > I'm not disagreeing with your mom's choice but why does she need an > SUV?? What were her needs from a technical perspective? Maybe it was a preference as opposed to a technical need. |
Re: Results of Weekend Shopping for a New Car For My Mother
See what you started now, ya old fart????? 8^)
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Re: Results of Weekend Shopping for a New Car For My Mother
"Ashton Crusher" <demi@moore.net> wrote in message news:sm4nd5508255058r6g9uqtmqcpuulg2mb2@4ax.com... > On Sun, 18 Oct 2009 11:38:26 -0400, "C. E. White" > <cewhite3@mindspring.com> wrote: > >>Earlier this month I asked for advice regarding a new car for my >>Mother to >>replace a Ford Freestyle that was totaled in an accident. I mostly >>was >>looking for advice regarding the Toyota Venza and Highlander. Well >>we >>finally went shopping and my Mother is getting a new Highlander > > I'm not disagreeing with your mom's choice but why does she need an > SUV?? What were her needs from a technical perspective? First of all, the Highlnader is not an SUV. You might get away with calling it a "Crossover" but in no way is it an SUV. In my opinion, it is nothing more than a Camry Station Wagon. Of the vehicles we looked at, the Edge was the closest thing to an SUV and it wasn't particularly close, although Ford tries to pitch it as one. The Venza is called a car, but the only substantial difference between it and the Highlander is the height of the roof and the level of standard equipment. The CR-V would like to pretend to be an SUV, but it misses the mark by hundreds of miles. It is just a Civic Station Wagon with an AWD option. Even the Pilot, although a nice vehicle, can't be considered a legitimate SUV. Anything that is primarily front wheel drive and has very limited towing capacity is just a station wagon (or I guess a "Crossover" which in my mind is the new name for "Station Wagon"). My Mother never said she wanted an SUV. She just wanted something that she could sit up in and see out of. Until she got a Freestyle, my Mother always drove a full size vehicles (Galaxie, LTD, Grand Marquis, etc.). The Freestyle was the smallest car she had ever owned, and at least it gave her a decent view. Most cars that claim to be full size these days wouldn't have qaulified as an intermediate in the 60's and they all tend to place you very low and don't provide a very good view of the road in a world dominated by large trucks and SUVs (my Mom lives in a rural area and more than half the vehicles are large trucks or SUVs). Anyhow, if you think a front wheel drive, four cylinder Highlander is an SUV, I think you are using a different definition of an SUV than would be reasonable. Ed |
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"Brian Smith" <Halifax@NovaScotia.Canada> wrote in message news:hbga2v$3bd$1@news.datemas.de... > If you preferred the Venza (as stated in the third paragraph of your > post), why would you be interested in a Taurus? Does bad judgment > run in your family? Why won't I be intereseted in the Taurus. It seemed to be a nice car, very well assembled, and I am confident it would be at least as reliable as the Toyota Venza. I liked the Venza too, but more for my Mother than for me. She likes station wagons and the Venza seemed to meet her needs. There is no longer a Taurus wagon. I did at least get her to sit in the Taurus. She said it was a nice car, but I think she didn't like it for the same reason she didn't like the Venza. She wanted to sit up higher, which is why we ended up with the Highlander (which has essentially the same drive train as the Venza, but is just a little taller). As I said, if Ford still offered new Freestyles (or the Taurus X) we probably would have ended up in one of those. However, given my Mother's stated desires, it seems to me she purchased the best vehicle. My family as owned Fords for decades. I personaly have a Fusion and an F150. Neither has had even one problem. The Fusion has 60k trouble free miles. Given my very good experiences with Ford and my very poor past personal experience with Toyotas, why wouldn't I consider a Taurus? I know that current Toyota are a lot better than the junk they sold 20 years ago, so I have no concerns about my Mother buying one. Heck, if they made something I liked, I consider buying one also (for sure if I wanted a Station Wagon, the Venza would still be my number one choice). Ed |
Re: Results of Weekend Shopping for a New Car For My Mother
On Mon, 19 Oct 2009 07:50:41 -0400, "C. E. White"
<cewhite3@mindspring.com> wrote: > >"Brian Smith" <Halifax@NovaScotia.Canada> wrote in message >news:hbga2v$3bd$1@news.datemas.de... > >> If you preferred the Venza (as stated in the third paragraph of your >> post), why would you be interested in a Taurus? Does bad judgment >> run in your family? > >Why won't I be intereseted in the Taurus. It seemed to be a nice car, >very well assembled, and I am confident it would be at least as >reliable as the Toyota Venza. I liked the Venza too, but more for my >Mother than for me. She likes station wagons and the Venza seemed to >meet her needs. There is no longer a Taurus wagon. I did at least get >her to sit in the Taurus. She said it was a nice car, but I think she >didn't like it for the same reason she didn't like the Venza. She >wanted to sit up higher, which is why we ended up with the Highlander >(which has essentially the same drive train as the Venza, but is just >a little taller). As I said, if Ford still offered new Freestyles (or >the Taurus X) we probably would have ended up in one of those. >However, given my Mother's stated desires, it seems to me she >purchased the best vehicle. > >My family as owned Fords for decades. I personaly have a Fusion and an >F150. Neither has had even one problem. The Fusion has 60k trouble >free miles. Given my very good experiences with Ford and my very poor >past personal experience with Toyotas, why wouldn't I consider a >Taurus? I know that current Toyota are a lot better than the junk they >sold 20 years ago, so I have no concerns about my Mother buying one. >Heck, if they made something I liked, I consider buying one also (for >sure if I wanted a Station Wagon, the Venza would still be my number >one choice). > >Ed > > Why is all this gooble de gook stuff posted in this newsgroup anyhoo ? |
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"Stewart" <gortamus36@yahoo.com> wrote in news:hbgn0s$p0f$1@news.eternal-
september.org: > > "Ashton Crusher" <demi@moore.net> wrote in message > news:sm4nd5508255058r6g9uqtmqcpuulg2mb2@4ax.com... >> On Sun, 18 Oct 2009 11:38:26 -0400, "C. E. White" >> <cewhite3@mindspring.com> wrote: >> >>>Earlier this month I asked for advice regarding a new car for my >>>Mother to >>>replace a Ford Freestyle that was totaled in an accident. I mostly >>>was >>>looking for advice regarding the Toyota Venza and Highlander. Well >>>we >>>finally went shopping and my Mother is getting a new Highlander >> >> I'm not disagreeing with your mom's choice but why does she need an >> SUV?? What were her needs from a technical perspective? > > Maybe it was a preference as opposed to a technical need. > > > "maybe"?? Most likely. She likely would not "feel safe" in a small car,and wanted "to sit up high". -- Jim Yanik jyanik at localnet dot com |
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On Oct 18, 4:14 pm, Ashton Crusher <d...@moore.net> wrote:
> I'm not disagreeing with your mom's choice but why does she need an > SUV?? What were her needs from a technical perspective? Small cars can be hard to get in and out of as joints age. My parents hate lifts in my civic. And I find it hard when sitiff after sporting events. |
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rick++ wrote:
> On Oct 18, 4:14 pm, Ashton Crusher <d...@moore.net> wrote: > >> I'm not disagreeing with your mom's choice but why does she need an >> SUV?? What were her needs from a technical perspective? > > Small cars can be hard to get in and out of as joints age. > My parents hate lifts in my civic. And I find it hard when > sitiff after sporting events. One thing that makes it much easier, for front seat passengers anyway are two door cars with larger doors. 4 door small cars can be a pain. I remember a 2 door Rabbit I had, which was much easier to get in and out of than a 4 door Rabbit with much smaller doors. |
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"C. E. White" <cewhite3@mindspring.com> wrote in message news:5Ladna_RF5o50kbXnZ2dnUVZ_oSdnZ2d@earthlink.co m... > Next we visited the Honda dealer. The Pilot was immediately eliminated as > wildly overpriced. My Mother liked the CR-V but it seems that dealers load > them all up with options that jack up the price. To get one equipped > reasonably you ended up with a sun roof my Mother didn't want and a price > higher than the Highlander. I've never shopped for a CR-V, I'm happy with the Accord basic configurations and you can mostly get them as-is. Mostly, I wanted to suggest that after you've looked at all the vehicles, shop via the Internet. It's a good way to get closer to what you want with minimal sales floor gamesmanship, and often better prices, too. J. |
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Imagine, people in a free country, spending their own money to buy the
vehicle they believe is the best for their them. From what we see going on among all the Socialists and the Environuts running our government in Washington today, that may soon change. LOL "rick++" <rick303@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:8ccf834c-678a-4ca7-8a6b-d6d574813efd@m1g2000vbi.googlegroups.com... > On Oct 18, 4:14 pm, Ashton Crusher <d...@moore.net> wrote: > >> I'm not disagreeing with your mom's choice but why does she need an >> SUV?? What were her needs from a technical perspective? > > Small cars can be hard to get in and out of as joints age. > My parents hate lifts in my civic. And I find it hard when > sitiff after sporting events. > |
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Have you lost much weight since then?
"SMS" <scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote in message news:4adc9b1a$0$1594$742ec2ed@news.sonic.net... > rick++ wrote: >> On Oct 18, 4:14 pm, Ashton Crusher <d...@moore.net> wrote: >> >>> I'm not disagreeing with your mom's choice but why does she need an >>> SUV?? What were her needs from a technical perspective? >> >> Small cars can be hard to get in and out of as joints age. >> My parents hate lifts in my civic. And I find it hard when >> sitiff after sporting events. > > One thing that makes it much easier, for front seat passengers anyway are > two door cars with larger doors. 4 door small cars can be a pain. I > remember a 2 door Rabbit I had, which was much easier to get in and out of > than a 4 door Rabbit with much smaller doors. |
Re: Results of Weekend Shopping for a New Car For My Mother
On Mon, 19 Oct 2009 07:34:30 -0400, "C. E. White"
<cewhite3@mindspring.com> wrote: > >"Ashton Crusher" <demi@moore.net> wrote in message >news:sm4nd5508255058r6g9uqtmqcpuulg2mb2@4ax.com.. . >> On Sun, 18 Oct 2009 11:38:26 -0400, "C. E. White" >> <cewhite3@mindspring.com> wrote: >> >>>Earlier this month I asked for advice regarding a new car for my >>>Mother to >>>replace a Ford Freestyle that was totaled in an accident. I mostly >>>was >>>looking for advice regarding the Toyota Venza and Highlander. Well >>>we >>>finally went shopping and my Mother is getting a new Highlander >> >> I'm not disagreeing with your mom's choice but why does she need an >> SUV?? What were her needs from a technical perspective? > >First of all, the Highlnader is not an SUV. You might get away with >calling it a "Crossover" but in no way is it an SUV. In my opinion, it >is nothing more than a Camry Station Wagon. Of the vehicles we looked >at, the Edge was the closest thing to an SUV and it wasn't >particularly close, although Ford tries to pitch it as one. The Venza >is called a car, but the only substantial difference between it and >the Highlander is the height of the roof and the level of standard >equipment. The CR-V would like to pretend to be an SUV, but it misses >the mark by hundreds of miles. It is just a Civic Station Wagon with >an AWD option. Even the Pilot, although a nice vehicle, can't be >considered a legitimate SUV. Anything that is primarily front wheel >drive and has very limited towing capacity is just a station wagon (or >I guess a "Crossover" which in my mind is the new name for "Station >Wagon"). > >My Mother never said she wanted an SUV. She just wanted something that >she could sit up in and see out of. Until she got a Freestyle, my >Mother always drove a full size vehicles (Galaxie, LTD, Grand Marquis, >etc.). The Freestyle was the smallest car she had ever owned, and at >least it gave her a decent view. Most cars that claim to be full size >these days wouldn't have qaulified as an intermediate in the 60's and >they all tend to place you very low and don't provide a very good view >of the road in a world dominated by large trucks and SUVs (my Mom >lives in a rural area and more than half the vehicles are large trucks >or SUVs). > >Anyhow, if you think a front wheel drive, four cylinder Highlander is >an SUV, I think you are using a different definition of an SUV than >would be reasonable. > >Ed > I know nothing about Highlanders except that I've seen pictures of them. Sounds like you got her what she needed. |
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On Mon, 19 Oct 2009 07:34:30 -0400, C. E. White wrote:
>> I'm not disagreeing with your mom's choice but why does she need an >> SUV?? What were her needs from a technical perspective? > > First of all, the Highlnader is not an SUV. You might get away with > calling it a "Crossover That's what it's marketed as. Two or 4WD, but around here they run 5-1 in favor of AWD. |
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On Oct 19, 11:12 pm, Hachiroku ハチロク <Tru...@e86.GTS> wrote:
> On Mon, 19 Oct 2009 07:34:30 -0400, C. E. White wrote: > >> I'm not disagreeing with your mom's choice but why does she need an > >> SUV?? What were her needs from a technical perspective? > > > First of all, the Highlnader is not an SUV. You might get away with > > calling it a "Crossover > > That's what it's marketed as. Two or 4WD, but around here they run 5-1 in > favor of AWD. On the Toyota webpage it is in the SUV section, but they don't have a crossover section. At the dealers we looked at they had plenty of 2WD or AWD (seemed to be more 2WD than AWD). My Mother lives in a relatively flat area, it snows no more than a few days a year, and she has no need to go on bad dirt roads. Her Freestyle was AWD, but I don't think she knew or cared and I saw no reason to pay extra for AWD for the new Highlander. If things are bad enough that 4WD is required, she still has my Dad's '99 4WD Ranger available. Ed |
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"Ed White" <ce.white3@gmail.com> wrote in message news:856ff4de-f170-4411-a2a0-f034529c661c@p36g2000vbn.googlegroups.com... > On Oct 19, 11:12 pm, Hachiroku ハチロク <Tru...@e86.GTS> wrote: >> On Mon, 19 Oct 2009 07:34:30 -0400, C. E. White wrote: >> >> I'm not disagreeing with your mom's choice but why does she need an >> >> SUV?? What were her needs from a technical perspective? >> >> > First of all, the Highlnader is not an SUV. You might get away with >> > calling it a "Crossover >> >> That's what it's marketed as. Two or 4WD, but around here they run 5-1 in >> favor of AWD. > > On the Toyota webpage it is in the SUV section, but they don't have a > crossover section. > > At the dealers we looked at they had plenty of 2WD or AWD (seemed to > be more 2WD than AWD). My Mother lives in a relatively flat area, it > snows no more than a few days a year, and she has no need to go on bad > dirt roads. Her Freestyle was AWD, but I don't think she knew or cared > and I saw no reason to pay extra for AWD for the new Highlander. If > things are bad enough that 4WD is required, she still has my Dad's '99 > 4WD Ranger available. > > Ed Having the Ranger, why does she need to have TWO vehicles? |
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On Mon, 19 Oct 2009 14:01:19 -0400, "Mike Hunter"
<Mikehunt2@lycos,com> wrote: >Imagine, people in a free country, spending their own money to buy the >vehicle they believe is the best for their them. From what we see going >on among all the Socialists and the Environuts running our government in >Washington today, that may soon change. LOL Hey Mike. You still haven't answered my question about whether the socialist government should have let GM go without a bailout. And speaking of communists, what do you thin about the Chinese buying Hummer? I think they are suckers just like the people who bought them one at a time. > > > > >"rick++" <rick303@hotmail.com> wrote in message >news:8ccf834c-678a-4ca7-8a6b-d6d574813efd@m1g2000vbi.googlegroups.com... >> On Oct 18, 4:14 pm, Ashton Crusher <d...@moore.net> wrote: >> >>> I'm not disagreeing with your mom's choice but why does she need an >>> SUV?? What were her needs from a technical perspective? >> >> Small cars can be hard to get in and out of as joints age. >> My parents hate lifts in my civic. And I find it hard when >> sitiff after sporting events. >> > |
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"Jim Yanik" <jyanik@abuse.gov> wrote in message news:Xns9CA95654F38F0jyaniklocalnetcom@216.168.3.4 4... > "Stewart" <gortamus36@yahoo.com> wrote in > news:hbgn0s$p0f$1@news.eternal- > september.org: > >> >> "Ashton Crusher" <demi@moore.net> wrote in message >> news:sm4nd5508255058r6g9uqtmqcpuulg2mb2@4ax.com... >>> On Sun, 18 Oct 2009 11:38:26 -0400, "C. E. White" >>> <cewhite3@mindspring.com> wrote: >>> >>>>Earlier this month I asked for advice regarding a new car for my >>>>Mother to >>>>replace a Ford Freestyle that was totaled in an accident. I mostly >>>>was >>>>looking for advice regarding the Toyota Venza and Highlander. Well >>>>we >>>>finally went shopping and my Mother is getting a new Highlander >>> >>> I'm not disagreeing with your mom's choice but why does she need >>> an >>> SUV?? What were her needs from a technical perspective? >> >> Maybe it was a preference as opposed to a technical need. >> >> >> > > "maybe"?? Most likely. > She likely would not "feel safe" in a small car,and wanted "to sit > up > high". > OK, maybe I understated just a tad..... > -- > Jim Yanik > jyanik > at > localnet > dot com |
Re: Results of Weekend Shopping for a New Car For My Mother
Sharx35 wrote:
> > "Ed White" <ce.white3@gmail.com> wrote in message > news:856ff4de-f170-4411-a2a0-f034529c661c@p36g2000vbn.googlegroups.com... >> On Oct 19, 11:12 pm, Hachiroku ハチロク <Tru...@e86.GTS> wrote: >>> On Mon, 19 Oct 2009 07:34:30 -0400, C. E. White wrote: >>> >> I'm not disagreeing with your mom's choice but why does she need an >>> >> SUV?? What were her needs from a technical perspective? >>> >>> > First of all, the Highlnader is not an SUV. You might get away with >>> > calling it a "Crossover >>> >>> That's what it's marketed as. Two or 4WD, but around here they run >>> 5-1 in >>> favor of AWD. >> >> On the Toyota webpage it is in the SUV section, but they don't have a >> crossover section. >> >> At the dealers we looked at they had plenty of 2WD or AWD (seemed to >> be more 2WD than AWD). My Mother lives in a relatively flat area, it >> snows no more than a few days a year, and she has no need to go on bad >> dirt roads. Her Freestyle was AWD, but I don't think she knew or cared >> and I saw no reason to pay extra for AWD for the new Highlander. If >> things are bad enough that 4WD is required, she still has my Dad's '99 >> 4WD Ranger available. >> >> Ed > > Having the Ranger, why does she need to have TWO vehicles? It's not her Ranger. It's her husband's. Apparently, she needs her own car. Jeff |
Re: Results of Weekend Shopping for a New Car For My Mother
"Sharx35" <sharx35@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:kwuDm.49692$PH1.6230@edtnps82... > > "Ed White" <ce.white3@gmail.com> wrote in message > news:856ff4de-f170-4411-a2a0-f034529c661c@p36g2000vbn.googlegroups.com... >> On Oct 19, 11:12 pm, Hachiroku ハチロク <Tru...@e86.GTS> wrote: >>> On Mon, 19 Oct 2009 07:34:30 -0400, C. E. White wrote: >>> >> I'm not disagreeing with your mom's choice but why does she >>> >> need an >>> >> SUV?? What were her needs from a technical perspective? >>> >>> > First of all, the Highlnader is not an SUV. You might get away >>> > with >>> > calling it a "Crossover >>> >>> That's what it's marketed as. Two or 4WD, but around here they run >>> 5-1 in >>> favor of AWD. >> >> On the Toyota webpage it is in the SUV section, but they don't have >> a >> crossover section. >> >> At the dealers we looked at they had plenty of 2WD or AWD (seemed >> to >> be more 2WD than AWD). My Mother lives in a relatively flat area, >> it >> snows no more than a few days a year, and she has no need to go on >> bad >> dirt roads. Her Freestyle was AWD, but I don't think she knew or >> cared >> and I saw no reason to pay extra for AWD for the new Highlander. If >> things are bad enough that 4WD is required, she still has my Dad's >> '99 >> 4WD Ranger available. >> >> Ed > > Having the Ranger, why does she need to have TWO vehicles? > > My brother has 7 vehicles. I have know people with many more. > |
Re: Results of Weekend Shopping for a New Car For My Mother
"Sharx35" <sharx35@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:kwuDm.49692$PH1.6230@edtnps82... > > "Ed White" <ce.white3@gmail.com> wrote in message > news:856ff4de-f170-4411-a2a0-f034529c661c@p36g2000vbn.googlegroups.com... >> On Oct 19, 11:12 pm, Hachiroku ハチロク <Tru...@e86.GTS> wrote: >>> On Mon, 19 Oct 2009 07:34:30 -0400, C. E. White wrote: >>> >> I'm not disagreeing with your mom's choice but why does she need an >>> >> SUV?? What were her needs from a technical perspective? >>> >>> > First of all, the Highlnader is not an SUV. You might get away with >>> > calling it a "Crossover >>> >>> That's what it's marketed as. Two or 4WD, but around here they run 5-1 >>> in >>> favor of AWD. >> >> On the Toyota webpage it is in the SUV section, but they don't have a >> crossover section. >> >> At the dealers we looked at they had plenty of 2WD or AWD (seemed to >> be more 2WD than AWD). My Mother lives in a relatively flat area, it >> snows no more than a few days a year, and she has no need to go on bad >> dirt roads. Her Freestyle was AWD, but I don't think she knew or cared >> and I saw no reason to pay extra for AWD for the new Highlander. If >> things are bad enough that 4WD is required, she still has my Dad's '99 >> 4WD Ranger available. >> >> Ed > > Having the Ranger, why does she need to have TWO vehicles? The Ranger is 11 years old and beat to crap. However, we use it on the farm for typical farm things. It is not worth a lot but is very useful for farm chores. It would not be suitable for my Mom and her bridge laying buddies. Ed |
Re: Results of Weekend Shopping for a New Car For My Mother
"dr_jeff" <utz@msu.edu> wrote in message news:_tydnQhuVo_ti0LXnZ2dnUVZ_rGdnZ2d@giganews.com ... > Sharx35 wrote: >> >> "Ed White" <ce.white3@gmail.com> wrote in message >> news:856ff4de-f170-4411-a2a0-f034529c661c@p36g2000vbn.googlegroups.com... >>> On Oct 19, 11:12 pm, Hachiroku ハチロク <Tru...@e86.GTS> wrote: >>>> On Mon, 19 Oct 2009 07:34:30 -0400, C. E. White wrote: >>>> >> I'm not disagreeing with your mom's choice but why does she need an >>>> >> SUV?? What were her needs from a technical perspective? >>>> >>>> > First of all, the Highlnader is not an SUV. You might get away with >>>> > calling it a "Crossover >>>> >>>> That's what it's marketed as. Two or 4WD, but around here they run >>>> 5-1 in >>>> favor of AWD. >>> >>> On the Toyota webpage it is in the SUV section, but they don't have a >>> crossover section. >>> >>> At the dealers we looked at they had plenty of 2WD or AWD (seemed to >>> be more 2WD than AWD). My Mother lives in a relatively flat area, it >>> snows no more than a few days a year, and she has no need to go on bad >>> dirt roads. Her Freestyle was AWD, but I don't think she knew or cared >>> and I saw no reason to pay extra for AWD for the new Highlander. If >>> things are bad enough that 4WD is required, she still has my Dad's '99 >>> 4WD Ranger available. >>> >>> Ed >> >> Having the Ranger, why does she need to have TWO vehicles? > > It's not her Ranger. It's her husband's. Apparently, she needs her own > car. Actually it is my Mother's (my Father passed away a few years back). But as I said in another post, it is old and beat up and not really the sort of vehicle a little old lady uses to haul her friends to their bridge games. Ed |
Re: Results of Weekend Shopping for a New Car For My Mother
"C. E. White" <cewhite3remove@mindspring.com> wrote in message news:r7adnV3dTcrRVkLXnZ2dnUVZ_rudnZ2d@earthlink.co m... > > "Sharx35" <sharx35@hotmail.com> wrote in message > news:kwuDm.49692$PH1.6230@edtnps82... >> >> "Ed White" <ce.white3@gmail.com> wrote in message >> news:856ff4de-f170-4411-a2a0-f034529c661c@p36g2000vbn.googlegroups.com... >>> On Oct 19, 11:12 pm, Hachiroku ハチロク <Tru...@e86.GTS> wrote: >>>> On Mon, 19 Oct 2009 07:34:30 -0400, C. E. White wrote: >>>> >> I'm not disagreeing with your mom's choice but why does she need an >>>> >> SUV?? What were her needs from a technical perspective? >>>> >>>> > First of all, the Highlnader is not an SUV. You might get away with >>>> > calling it a "Crossover >>>> >>>> That's what it's marketed as. Two or 4WD, but around here they run 5-1 >>>> in >>>> favor of AWD. >>> >>> On the Toyota webpage it is in the SUV section, but they don't have a >>> crossover section. >>> >>> At the dealers we looked at they had plenty of 2WD or AWD (seemed to >>> be more 2WD than AWD). My Mother lives in a relatively flat area, it >>> snows no more than a few days a year, and she has no need to go on bad >>> dirt roads. Her Freestyle was AWD, but I don't think she knew or cared >>> and I saw no reason to pay extra for AWD for the new Highlander. If >>> things are bad enough that 4WD is required, she still has my Dad's '99 >>> 4WD Ranger available. >>> >>> Ed >> >> Having the Ranger, why does she need to have TWO vehicles? > > The Ranger is 11 years old and beat to crap. However, we use it on the > farm for typical farm things. It is not worth a lot but is very useful for > farm chores. It would not be suitable for my Mom and her bridge laying > buddies. I meant bridge playing...not laying. I suppose a Ranger would be a good vehicle for someone building a bridge :) Ed |
Re: Results of Weekend Shopping for a New Car For My Mother
"C. E. White" <cewhite3remove@mindspring.com> wrote in message news:9Z-dnf5e5L81VkLXnZ2dnUVZ_tydnZ2d@earthlink.com... <snipped> >>> Having the Ranger, why does she need to have TWO vehicles? >> >> It's not her Ranger. It's her husband's. Apparently, she needs her own >> car. > > Actually it is my Mother's (my Father passed away a few years back). But > as I said in another post, it is old and beat up and not really the sort > of vehicle a little old lady uses to haul her friends to their bridge > games. > > Ed Come to think of it, I don't see many little old ladies riding the back of truck beds... -- Ray O (correct punctuation to reply) |
Re: Results of Weekend Shopping for a New Car For My Mother
On 2009-10-22, C. E. White <cewhite3remove@mindspring.com> wrote:
>> >> It's not her Ranger. It's her husband's. Apparently, she needs her own >> car. > > Actually it is my Mother's (my Father passed away a few years back). But as > I said in another post, it is old and beat up and not really the sort of > vehicle a little old lady uses to haul her friends to their bridge games. Why not? Plenty of room in the back for plenty of the old ninnies... ;-) -- Joe - Linux User #449481/Ubuntu User #19733 joe at hits - buffalo dot com "Hate is baggage, life is too short to go around pissed off all the time..." - Danny, American History X |
Re: Results of Weekend Shopping for a New Car For My Mother
On Wed, 21 Oct 2009 23:02:45 -0400, C. E. White wrote:
> It would not be suitable for my Mom and her bridge laying > buddies. I would think someone who does bridge laying would want a dump truck! ;p |
Re: Results of Weekend Shopping for a New Car For My Mother
"Stewart" <gortamus36@yahoo.com> wrote in
news:hbodit$hhg$1@news.eternal-september.org: > > "Sharx35" <sharx35@hotmail.com> wrote in message > news:kwuDm.49692$PH1.6230@edtnps82... >> >> "Ed White" <ce.white3@gmail.com> wrote in message >> news:856ff4de-f170-4411-a2a0- f034529c661c@p36g2000vbn.googlegroups.com >> ... >>> On Oct 19, 11:12 pm, Hachiroku ハチロク <Tru...@e86.GTS> >>> wrote: >>>> On Mon, 19 Oct 2009 07:34:30 -0400, C. E. White wrote: >>>> >> I'm not disagreeing with your mom's choice but why does she >>>> >> need an >>>> >> SUV?? What were her needs from a technical perspective? >>>> >>>> > First of all, the Highlnader is not an SUV. You might get away >>>> > with >>>> > calling it a "Crossover >>>> >>>> That's what it's marketed as. Two or 4WD, but around here they run >>>> 5-1 in >>>> favor of AWD. >>> >>> On the Toyota webpage it is in the SUV section, but they don't have >>> a >>> crossover section. >>> >>> At the dealers we looked at they had plenty of 2WD or AWD (seemed >>> to >>> be more 2WD than AWD). My Mother lives in a relatively flat area, >>> it >>> snows no more than a few days a year, and she has no need to go on >>> bad >>> dirt roads. Her Freestyle was AWD, but I don't think she knew or >>> cared >>> and I saw no reason to pay extra for AWD for the new Highlander. If >>> things are bad enough that 4WD is required, she still has my Dad's >>> '99 >>> 4WD Ranger available. >>> >>> Ed >> >> Having the Ranger, why does she need to have TWO vehicles? >> >> > > My brother has 7 vehicles. I have know people with many more. >> > > > heck I have three rangers with out counting anyother of my other stuff. KB -- THUNDERSNAKE #9 Protect your rights or "Lose" them The 2nd Admendment guarantees the others |
Re: Results of Weekend Shopping for a New Car For My Mother
On Wed, 21 Oct 2009 18:47:06 -0700, Stewart wrote:
>> Having the Ranger, why does she need to have TWO vehicles? >> >> >> > My brother has 7 vehicles. I have know people with many more. Hey. I ain't yer brother! |
Re: Results of Weekend Shopping for a New Car For My Mother
"Hachiroku ????" <Trueno@e86.GTS> wrote in message news:pan.2009.10.22.23.44.57.415813@e86.GTS... > On Wed, 21 Oct 2009 18:47:06 -0700, Stewart wrote: > >>> Having the Ranger, why does she need to have TWO vehicles? >>> >>> >>> >> My brother has 7 vehicles. I have know people with many more. > > Hey. I ain't yer brother! > > > Well, 5 are registered as classics.... |
Re: Results of Weekend Shopping for a New Car For My Mother
"Kevin" <kevyNOSPAM@netins.net> wrote in message news:Xns9CACBD385A5DDkevyNOSPAMnetinsnet@167.142.2 25.136... > "Stewart" <gortamus36@yahoo.com> wrote in > news:hbodit$hhg$1@news.eternal-september.org: > >> >> "Sharx35" <sharx35@hotmail.com> wrote in message >> news:kwuDm.49692$PH1.6230@edtnps82... >>> >>> "Ed White" <ce.white3@gmail.com> wrote in message >>> news:856ff4de-f170-4411-a2a0- > f034529c661c@p36g2000vbn.googlegroups.com >>> ... >>>> On Oct 19, 11:12 pm, Hachiroku ハチロク <Tru...@e86.GTS> >>>> wrote: >>>>> On Mon, 19 Oct 2009 07:34:30 -0400, C. E. White wrote: >>>>> >> I'm not disagreeing with your mom's choice but why does she >>>>> >> need an >>>>> >> SUV?? What were her needs from a technical perspective? >>>>> >>>>> > First of all, the Highlnader is not an SUV. You might get away >>>>> > with >>>>> > calling it a "Crossover >>>>> >>>>> That's what it's marketed as. Two or 4WD, but around here they run >>>>> 5-1 in >>>>> favor of AWD. >>>> >>>> On the Toyota webpage it is in the SUV section, but they don't have >>>> a >>>> crossover section. >>>> >>>> At the dealers we looked at they had plenty of 2WD or AWD (seemed >>>> to >>>> be more 2WD than AWD). My Mother lives in a relatively flat area, >>>> it >>>> snows no more than a few days a year, and she has no need to go on >>>> bad >>>> dirt roads. Her Freestyle was AWD, but I don't think she knew or >>>> cared >>>> and I saw no reason to pay extra for AWD for the new Highlander. If >>>> things are bad enough that 4WD is required, she still has my Dad's >>>> '99 >>>> 4WD Ranger available. >>>> >>>> Ed >>> >>> Having the Ranger, why does she need to have TWO vehicles? >>> >>> >> >> My brother has 7 vehicles. I have know people with many more. >>> >> >> >> > > heck I have three rangers with out counting anyother of my other > stuff. KB > Little wonder that consumer debt is at an all time high and the savings rate is at an all time low. Does anyone here know what FRUGAL means? > -- > THUNDERSNAKE #9 > > Protect your rights or "Lose" them > The 2nd Admendment guarantees the others |
Re: Results of Weekend Shopping for a New Car For My Mother
"Sharx35" <sharx35@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:rYfEm.49052$Db2.48681@edtnps83... > > "Kevin" <kevyNOSPAM@netins.net> wrote in message > news:Xns9CACBD385A5DDkevyNOSPAMnetinsnet@167.142.2 25.136... >> "Stewart" <gortamus36@yahoo.com> wrote in >> news:hbodit$hhg$1@news.eternal-september.org: >> >>> >>> "Sharx35" <sharx35@hotmail.com> wrote in message >>> news:kwuDm.49692$PH1.6230@edtnps82... >>>> >>>> "Ed White" <ce.white3@gmail.com> wrote in message >>>> news:856ff4de-f170-4411-a2a0- >> f034529c661c@p36g2000vbn.googlegroups.com >>>> ... >>>>> On Oct 19, 11:12 pm, Hachiroku ハチロク <Tru...@e86.GTS> >>>>> wrote: >>>>>> On Mon, 19 Oct 2009 07:34:30 -0400, C. E. White wrote: >>>>>> >> I'm not disagreeing with your mom's choice but why does she >>>>>> >> need an >>>>>> >> SUV?? What were her needs from a technical perspective? >>>>>> >>>>>> > First of all, the Highlnader is not an SUV. You might get >>>>>> > away >>>>>> > with >>>>>> > calling it a "Crossover >>>>>> >>>>>> That's what it's marketed as. Two or 4WD, but around here they >>>>>> run >>>>>> 5-1 in >>>>>> favor of AWD. >>>>> >>>>> On the Toyota webpage it is in the SUV section, but they don't >>>>> have >>>>> a >>>>> crossover section. >>>>> >>>>> At the dealers we looked at they had plenty of 2WD or AWD >>>>> (seemed >>>>> to >>>>> be more 2WD than AWD). My Mother lives in a relatively flat >>>>> area, >>>>> it >>>>> snows no more than a few days a year, and she has no need to go >>>>> on >>>>> bad >>>>> dirt roads. Her Freestyle was AWD, but I don't think she knew or >>>>> cared >>>>> and I saw no reason to pay extra for AWD for the new Highlander. >>>>> If >>>>> things are bad enough that 4WD is required, she still has my >>>>> Dad's >>>>> '99 >>>>> 4WD Ranger available. >>>>> >>>>> Ed >>>> >>>> Having the Ranger, why does she need to have TWO vehicles? >>>> >>>> >>> >>> My brother has 7 vehicles. I have know people with many more. >>>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> heck I have three rangers with out counting anyother of my other >> stuff. KB >> > > Little wonder that consumer debt is at an all time high and the > savings rate is at an all time low. Does anyone here know what > FRUGAL means? > Rebuilding old cars is an industrious endevor. >> -- >> THUNDERSNAKE #9 >> >> Protect your rights or "Lose" them >> The 2nd Admendment guarantees the others > > > |
Re: Results of Weekend Shopping for a New Car For My Mother
"Stewart" <gortamus36@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:hbtkkk$639$1@news.eternal-september.org... > > "Sharx35" <sharx35@hotmail.com> wrote in message > news:rYfEm.49052$Db2.48681@edtnps83... >> >> "Kevin" <kevyNOSPAM@netins.net> wrote in message >> news:Xns9CACBD385A5DDkevyNOSPAMnetinsnet@167.142.2 25.136... >>> "Stewart" <gortamus36@yahoo.com> wrote in >>> news:hbodit$hhg$1@news.eternal-september.org: >>> >>>> >>>> "Sharx35" <sharx35@hotmail.com> wrote in message >>>> news:kwuDm.49692$PH1.6230@edtnps82... >>>>> >>>>> "Ed White" <ce.white3@gmail.com> wrote in message >>>>> news:856ff4de-f170-4411-a2a0- >>> f034529c661c@p36g2000vbn.googlegroups.com >>>>> ... >>>>>> On Oct 19, 11:12 pm, Hachiroku ハチロク <Tru...@e86.GTS> >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> On Mon, 19 Oct 2009 07:34:30 -0400, C. E. White wrote: >>>>>>> >> I'm not disagreeing with your mom's choice but why does she >>>>>>> >> need an >>>>>>> >> SUV?? What were her needs from a technical perspective? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> > First of all, the Highlnader is not an SUV. You might get away >>>>>>> > with >>>>>>> > calling it a "Crossover >>>>>>> >>>>>>> That's what it's marketed as. Two or 4WD, but around here they run >>>>>>> 5-1 in >>>>>>> favor of AWD. >>>>>> >>>>>> On the Toyota webpage it is in the SUV section, but they don't have >>>>>> a >>>>>> crossover section. >>>>>> >>>>>> At the dealers we looked at they had plenty of 2WD or AWD (seemed >>>>>> to >>>>>> be more 2WD than AWD). My Mother lives in a relatively flat area, >>>>>> it >>>>>> snows no more than a few days a year, and she has no need to go on >>>>>> bad >>>>>> dirt roads. Her Freestyle was AWD, but I don't think she knew or >>>>>> cared >>>>>> and I saw no reason to pay extra for AWD for the new Highlander. If >>>>>> things are bad enough that 4WD is required, she still has my Dad's >>>>>> '99 >>>>>> 4WD Ranger available. >>>>>> >>>>>> Ed >>>>> >>>>> Having the Ranger, why does she need to have TWO vehicles? >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> My brother has 7 vehicles. I have know people with many more. >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> heck I have three rangers with out counting anyother of my other >>> stuff. KB >>> >> >> Little wonder that consumer debt is at an all time high and the savings >> rate is at an all time low. Does anyone here know what FRUGAL means? >> > > Rebuilding old cars is an industrious endevor. No question about it. Far too many fools just dump a vehicle after 2 to 4 years, literally throwing away tens of thousands of dollars in depreciation. >>> -- >>> THUNDERSNAKE #9 >>> >>> Protect your rights or "Lose" them >>> The 2nd Admendment guarantees the others >> >> >> > > |
Re: Results of Weekend Shopping for a New Car For My Mother
"Sharx35" <sharx35@hotmail.com> wrote in
news:rYfEm.49052$Db2.48681@edtnps83: > > "Kevin" <kevyNOSPAM@netins.net> wrote in message > news:Xns9CACBD385A5DDkevyNOSPAMnetinsnet@167.142.2 25.136... >> "Stewart" <gortamus36@yahoo.com> wrote in >> news:hbodit$hhg$1@news.eternal-september.org: >> >>> >>> "Sharx35" <sharx35@hotmail.com> wrote in message >>> news:kwuDm.49692$PH1.6230@edtnps82... >>>> >>>> "Ed White" <ce.white3@gmail.com> wrote in message >>>> news:856ff4de-f170-4411-a2a0- >> f034529c661c@p36g2000vbn.googlegroups.com >>>> ... >>>>> On Oct 19, 11:12 pm, Hachiroku ハチロク <Tru...@e86.GTS> >>>>> wrote: >>>>>> On Mon, 19 Oct 2009 07:34:30 -0400, C. E. White wrote: >>>>>> >> I'm not disagreeing with your mom's choice but why does she >>>>>> >> need an >>>>>> >> SUV?? What were her needs from a technical perspective? >>>>>> >>>>>> > First of all, the Highlnader is not an SUV. You might get away >>>>>> > with >>>>>> > calling it a "Crossover >>>>>> >>>>>> That's what it's marketed as. Two or 4WD, but around here they >>>>>> run 5-1 in >>>>>> favor of AWD. >>>>> >>>>> On the Toyota webpage it is in the SUV section, but they don't >>>>> have a >>>>> crossover section. >>>>> >>>>> At the dealers we looked at they had plenty of 2WD or AWD (seemed >>>>> to >>>>> be more 2WD than AWD). My Mother lives in a relatively flat area, >>>>> it >>>>> snows no more than a few days a year, and she has no need to go on >>>>> bad >>>>> dirt roads. Her Freestyle was AWD, but I don't think she knew or >>>>> cared >>>>> and I saw no reason to pay extra for AWD for the new Highlander. >>>>> If things are bad enough that 4WD is required, she still has my >>>>> Dad's '99 >>>>> 4WD Ranger available. >>>>> >>>>> Ed >>>> >>>> Having the Ranger, why does she need to have TWO vehicles? >>>> >>>> >>> >>> My brother has 7 vehicles. I have know people with many more. >>>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> heck I have three rangers with out counting anyother of my other >> stuff. KB >> > > Little wonder that consumer debt is at an all time high and the > savings rate is at an all time low. Does anyone here know what FRUGAL > means? > >> -- >> THUNDERSNAKE #9 >> >> Protect your rights or "Lose" them >> The 2nd Admendment guarantees the others > > > all of my stuff is all paid for. no new stuff here. I wager I have less in all 3 than most have in one. KB -- THUNDERSNAKE #9 Protect your rights or "Lose" them The 2nd Admendment guarantees the others |
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