Rust in 91 Accord
08-19-2006, 12:46 AM
#31
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Re: Rust in 91 Accord
"TeGGeR®" wrote:
>
> dgk <dgk@somewhere.com> wrote in
> news:f7qbe217crrd634osrvj943bboibl61b11@4ax.com:
>
> > On Fri, 18 Aug 2006 01:52:18 +0000 (UTC), "TeGGeR®"
> > <tegger@tegger.c0m> wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > I'm guessing here but I would think that several factors come into
> > play, with salt being number one on the playlist and freezing being
> > number two. Salt seems to just eat metal, and freezing water cracks
> > open our roads. So salt and water get into tiny cracks and start the
> > wonderful recycling process.
>
> Sort of. But freezing has nothing to do with it. With concrete, yes. With
> cars, no.
>
Ahhhhh... But every freezing cycle causes water to expand and any that
becomes trapped tends to slowly take metal parts apart only to allow
more water to enter and the cycle repeats itself. Water laced with salt
is an insidious compound that one in the rust belt would wish had
typical physical properties such as contracting instead of expanding...
> >
> > What is odd about what I've observed with the Accord is that I don't
> > see that damage on the front wheelwells, and those are going to get
> > the same amount of crud as the rears. That's why I figured that those
> > rear wells are a weak spot.
>
> Water paths is what does it. Water migrates to the rear. And it takes
> forever to evaporate from enclosed panels...
>
> >
> > When I first got the Accord, I paid a body shop around $300 to kill
> > the rust that I saw.
>
> Yes, they killed the stuff you could see. They could do nothing about the
> stuff you (and they) could NOT see, which is 99% of the problem.
>
Sort of like a beach being cleared because a shark's fin is spotted.
For every one that is sighted, a dozen or more are never seen.
> The guy was honest though and said that it would
> > delay the rust but that it really wasn't possible to cure it without
> > spending much more.
> >
>
> You cannot kill it once it starts. You can only prevent it from occurring
> in the first place.
>
> --
> TeGGeR®
>
> The Unofficial Honda/Acura FAQ
> www.tegger.com/hondafaq/
08-19-2006, 12:46 AM
#32
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Re: Rust in 91 Accord
"TeGGeR®" wrote:
>
> dgk <dgk@somewhere.com> wrote in
> news:f7qbe217crrd634osrvj943bboibl61b11@4ax.com:
>
> > On Fri, 18 Aug 2006 01:52:18 +0000 (UTC), "TeGGeR®"
> > <tegger@tegger.c0m> wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > I'm guessing here but I would think that several factors come into
> > play, with salt being number one on the playlist and freezing being
> > number two. Salt seems to just eat metal, and freezing water cracks
> > open our roads. So salt and water get into tiny cracks and start the
> > wonderful recycling process.
>
> Sort of. But freezing has nothing to do with it. With concrete, yes. With
> cars, no.
>
Ahhhhh... But every freezing cycle causes water to expand and any that
becomes trapped tends to slowly take metal parts apart only to allow
more water to enter and the cycle repeats itself. Water laced with salt
is an insidious compound that one in the rust belt would wish had
typical physical properties such as contracting instead of expanding...
> >
> > What is odd about what I've observed with the Accord is that I don't
> > see that damage on the front wheelwells, and those are going to get
> > the same amount of crud as the rears. That's why I figured that those
> > rear wells are a weak spot.
>
> Water paths is what does it. Water migrates to the rear. And it takes
> forever to evaporate from enclosed panels...
>
> >
> > When I first got the Accord, I paid a body shop around $300 to kill
> > the rust that I saw.
>
> Yes, they killed the stuff you could see. They could do nothing about the
> stuff you (and they) could NOT see, which is 99% of the problem.
>
Sort of like a beach being cleared because a shark's fin is spotted.
For every one that is sighted, a dozen or more are never seen.
> The guy was honest though and said that it would
> > delay the rust but that it really wasn't possible to cure it without
> > spending much more.
> >
>
> You cannot kill it once it starts. You can only prevent it from occurring
> in the first place.
>
> --
> TeGGeR®
>
> The Unofficial Honda/Acura FAQ
> www.tegger.com/hondafaq/
08-19-2006, 12:46 AM
#33
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Re: Rust in 91 Accord
"TeGGeR®" wrote:
>
> dgk <dgk@somewhere.com> wrote in
> news:f7qbe217crrd634osrvj943bboibl61b11@4ax.com:
>
> > On Fri, 18 Aug 2006 01:52:18 +0000 (UTC), "TeGGeR®"
> > <tegger@tegger.c0m> wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > I'm guessing here but I would think that several factors come into
> > play, with salt being number one on the playlist and freezing being
> > number two. Salt seems to just eat metal, and freezing water cracks
> > open our roads. So salt and water get into tiny cracks and start the
> > wonderful recycling process.
>
> Sort of. But freezing has nothing to do with it. With concrete, yes. With
> cars, no.
>
Ahhhhh... But every freezing cycle causes water to expand and any that
becomes trapped tends to slowly take metal parts apart only to allow
more water to enter and the cycle repeats itself. Water laced with salt
is an insidious compound that one in the rust belt would wish had
typical physical properties such as contracting instead of expanding...
> >
> > What is odd about what I've observed with the Accord is that I don't
> > see that damage on the front wheelwells, and those are going to get
> > the same amount of crud as the rears. That's why I figured that those
> > rear wells are a weak spot.
>
> Water paths is what does it. Water migrates to the rear. And it takes
> forever to evaporate from enclosed panels...
>
> >
> > When I first got the Accord, I paid a body shop around $300 to kill
> > the rust that I saw.
>
> Yes, they killed the stuff you could see. They could do nothing about the
> stuff you (and they) could NOT see, which is 99% of the problem.
>
Sort of like a beach being cleared because a shark's fin is spotted.
For every one that is sighted, a dozen or more are never seen.
> The guy was honest though and said that it would
> > delay the rust but that it really wasn't possible to cure it without
> > spending much more.
> >
>
> You cannot kill it once it starts. You can only prevent it from occurring
> in the first place.
>
> --
> TeGGeR®
>
> The Unofficial Honda/Acura FAQ
> www.tegger.com/hondafaq/
08-19-2006, 12:46 AM
#34
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Re: Rust in 91 Accord
"TeGGeR®" wrote:
>
> dgk <dgk@somewhere.com> wrote in
> news:f7qbe217crrd634osrvj943bboibl61b11@4ax.com:
>
> > On Fri, 18 Aug 2006 01:52:18 +0000 (UTC), "TeGGeR®"
> > <tegger@tegger.c0m> wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > I'm guessing here but I would think that several factors come into
> > play, with salt being number one on the playlist and freezing being
> > number two. Salt seems to just eat metal, and freezing water cracks
> > open our roads. So salt and water get into tiny cracks and start the
> > wonderful recycling process.
>
> Sort of. But freezing has nothing to do with it. With concrete, yes. With
> cars, no.
>
Ahhhhh... But every freezing cycle causes water to expand and any that
becomes trapped tends to slowly take metal parts apart only to allow
more water to enter and the cycle repeats itself. Water laced with salt
is an insidious compound that one in the rust belt would wish had
typical physical properties such as contracting instead of expanding...
> >
> > What is odd about what I've observed with the Accord is that I don't
> > see that damage on the front wheelwells, and those are going to get
> > the same amount of crud as the rears. That's why I figured that those
> > rear wells are a weak spot.
>
> Water paths is what does it. Water migrates to the rear. And it takes
> forever to evaporate from enclosed panels...
>
> >
> > When I first got the Accord, I paid a body shop around $300 to kill
> > the rust that I saw.
>
> Yes, they killed the stuff you could see. They could do nothing about the
> stuff you (and they) could NOT see, which is 99% of the problem.
>
Sort of like a beach being cleared because a shark's fin is spotted.
For every one that is sighted, a dozen or more are never seen.
> The guy was honest though and said that it would
> > delay the rust but that it really wasn't possible to cure it without
> > spending much more.
> >
>
> You cannot kill it once it starts. You can only prevent it from occurring
> in the first place.
>
> --
> TeGGeR®
>
> The Unofficial Honda/Acura FAQ
> www.tegger.com/hondafaq/
08-19-2006, 01:34 AM
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Re: Rust in 91 Accord
On Fri, 18 Aug 2006 12:35:13 -0400, dgk wrote:
> On Fri, 18 Aug 2006 01:52:18 +0000 (UTC), "TeGGeR®"
> <tegger@tegger.c0m> wrote:
>
>>NomoreRGS <fishman@fish.net> wrote in
>>news:cp4ae21o8tj9dt5rtbcmrf1iglhs16oijj@4ax.co m:
>>
>>> My 91Accord only started to show signs of rust here this year. In the
>>> last two months it finally came through. Two or three orange spots on
>>> the white paint on each side.
>>>
>>> Defect? I think not! I don't know of any car of this age without
>>> obvious rust.
>>
>>
>>
>>Mine. I have no rust at all. It's a '91 with 272,000 miles.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>> Most have heavy rust in some areas, others have rust
>>> through.
>>
>>
>>
>>That's because of two things:
>>1) Neglect, and
>>2) inadequate rustproofing.
>
>
> I'm guessing here but I would think that several factors come into
> play, with salt being number one on the playlist and freezing being
> number two. Salt seems to just eat metal, and freezing water cracks
> open our roads. So salt and water get into tiny cracks and start the
> wonderful recycling process.
Frequent washing in the winter is essential. I bring my car to a Delta
Sonic (Automatic car wash) once weekly in the winter to remove salt and
dirt from the underbody.
And before Winter, make sure you have a good, solid coat of wax on the car.
Including the door jams and wheel wells. The wax will keep the water from
penetrating.
I just got rid of a 97 Dodge Caravan. The only rust on the body was in the
back right corner, where there was a dent and removed paint years ago. The
rest of the car looked like new.
--
Joseph M. LaVigne
jlavigne@hits-buffalo.com
http://www.thelavignefamily.us/MyPipePages/ - 8/19/2006 1:31:13 AM
Tobacconist Brick and Mortar Database: http://bam.tobaccocellar.org/
Man is the best computer we can put aboard a spacecraft ... and the only
one that can be mass produced with unskilled labor.
--Wernher von Braun
> On Fri, 18 Aug 2006 01:52:18 +0000 (UTC), "TeGGeR®"
> <tegger@tegger.c0m> wrote:
>
>>NomoreRGS <fishman@fish.net> wrote in
>>news:cp4ae21o8tj9dt5rtbcmrf1iglhs16oijj@4ax.co m:
>>
>>> My 91Accord only started to show signs of rust here this year. In the
>>> last two months it finally came through. Two or three orange spots on
>>> the white paint on each side.
>>>
>>> Defect? I think not! I don't know of any car of this age without
>>> obvious rust.
>>
>>
>>
>>Mine. I have no rust at all. It's a '91 with 272,000 miles.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>> Most have heavy rust in some areas, others have rust
>>> through.
>>
>>
>>
>>That's because of two things:
>>1) Neglect, and
>>2) inadequate rustproofing.
>
>
> I'm guessing here but I would think that several factors come into
> play, with salt being number one on the playlist and freezing being
> number two. Salt seems to just eat metal, and freezing water cracks
> open our roads. So salt and water get into tiny cracks and start the
> wonderful recycling process.
Frequent washing in the winter is essential. I bring my car to a Delta
Sonic (Automatic car wash) once weekly in the winter to remove salt and
dirt from the underbody.
And before Winter, make sure you have a good, solid coat of wax on the car.
Including the door jams and wheel wells. The wax will keep the water from
penetrating.
I just got rid of a 97 Dodge Caravan. The only rust on the body was in the
back right corner, where there was a dent and removed paint years ago. The
rest of the car looked like new.
--
Joseph M. LaVigne
jlavigne@hits-buffalo.com
http://www.thelavignefamily.us/MyPipePages/ - 8/19/2006 1:31:13 AM
Tobacconist Brick and Mortar Database: http://bam.tobaccocellar.org/
Man is the best computer we can put aboard a spacecraft ... and the only
one that can be mass produced with unskilled labor.
--Wernher von Braun
08-19-2006, 01:34 AM
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Re: Rust in 91 Accord
On Fri, 18 Aug 2006 12:35:13 -0400, dgk wrote:
> On Fri, 18 Aug 2006 01:52:18 +0000 (UTC), "TeGGeR®"
> <tegger@tegger.c0m> wrote:
>
>>NomoreRGS <fishman@fish.net> wrote in
>>news:cp4ae21o8tj9dt5rtbcmrf1iglhs16oijj@4ax.co m:
>>
>>> My 91Accord only started to show signs of rust here this year. In the
>>> last two months it finally came through. Two or three orange spots on
>>> the white paint on each side.
>>>
>>> Defect? I think not! I don't know of any car of this age without
>>> obvious rust.
>>
>>
>>
>>Mine. I have no rust at all. It's a '91 with 272,000 miles.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>> Most have heavy rust in some areas, others have rust
>>> through.
>>
>>
>>
>>That's because of two things:
>>1) Neglect, and
>>2) inadequate rustproofing.
>
>
> I'm guessing here but I would think that several factors come into
> play, with salt being number one on the playlist and freezing being
> number two. Salt seems to just eat metal, and freezing water cracks
> open our roads. So salt and water get into tiny cracks and start the
> wonderful recycling process.
Frequent washing in the winter is essential. I bring my car to a Delta
Sonic (Automatic car wash) once weekly in the winter to remove salt and
dirt from the underbody.
And before Winter, make sure you have a good, solid coat of wax on the car.
Including the door jams and wheel wells. The wax will keep the water from
penetrating.
I just got rid of a 97 Dodge Caravan. The only rust on the body was in the
back right corner, where there was a dent and removed paint years ago. The
rest of the car looked like new.
--
Joseph M. LaVigne
jlavigne@hits-buffalo.com
http://www.thelavignefamily.us/MyPipePages/ - 8/19/2006 1:31:13 AM
Tobacconist Brick and Mortar Database: http://bam.tobaccocellar.org/
Man is the best computer we can put aboard a spacecraft ... and the only
one that can be mass produced with unskilled labor.
--Wernher von Braun
> On Fri, 18 Aug 2006 01:52:18 +0000 (UTC), "TeGGeR®"
> <tegger@tegger.c0m> wrote:
>
>>NomoreRGS <fishman@fish.net> wrote in
>>news:cp4ae21o8tj9dt5rtbcmrf1iglhs16oijj@4ax.co m:
>>
>>> My 91Accord only started to show signs of rust here this year. In the
>>> last two months it finally came through. Two or three orange spots on
>>> the white paint on each side.
>>>
>>> Defect? I think not! I don't know of any car of this age without
>>> obvious rust.
>>
>>
>>
>>Mine. I have no rust at all. It's a '91 with 272,000 miles.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>> Most have heavy rust in some areas, others have rust
>>> through.
>>
>>
>>
>>That's because of two things:
>>1) Neglect, and
>>2) inadequate rustproofing.
>
>
> I'm guessing here but I would think that several factors come into
> play, with salt being number one on the playlist and freezing being
> number two. Salt seems to just eat metal, and freezing water cracks
> open our roads. So salt and water get into tiny cracks and start the
> wonderful recycling process.
Frequent washing in the winter is essential. I bring my car to a Delta
Sonic (Automatic car wash) once weekly in the winter to remove salt and
dirt from the underbody.
And before Winter, make sure you have a good, solid coat of wax on the car.
Including the door jams and wheel wells. The wax will keep the water from
penetrating.
I just got rid of a 97 Dodge Caravan. The only rust on the body was in the
back right corner, where there was a dent and removed paint years ago. The
rest of the car looked like new.
--
Joseph M. LaVigne
jlavigne@hits-buffalo.com
http://www.thelavignefamily.us/MyPipePages/ - 8/19/2006 1:31:13 AM
Tobacconist Brick and Mortar Database: http://bam.tobaccocellar.org/
Man is the best computer we can put aboard a spacecraft ... and the only
one that can be mass produced with unskilled labor.
--Wernher von Braun
08-19-2006, 01:34 AM
#37
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Re: Rust in 91 Accord
On Fri, 18 Aug 2006 12:35:13 -0400, dgk wrote:
> On Fri, 18 Aug 2006 01:52:18 +0000 (UTC), "TeGGeR®"
> <tegger@tegger.c0m> wrote:
>
>>NomoreRGS <fishman@fish.net> wrote in
>>news:cp4ae21o8tj9dt5rtbcmrf1iglhs16oijj@4ax.co m:
>>
>>> My 91Accord only started to show signs of rust here this year. In the
>>> last two months it finally came through. Two or three orange spots on
>>> the white paint on each side.
>>>
>>> Defect? I think not! I don't know of any car of this age without
>>> obvious rust.
>>
>>
>>
>>Mine. I have no rust at all. It's a '91 with 272,000 miles.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>> Most have heavy rust in some areas, others have rust
>>> through.
>>
>>
>>
>>That's because of two things:
>>1) Neglect, and
>>2) inadequate rustproofing.
>
>
> I'm guessing here but I would think that several factors come into
> play, with salt being number one on the playlist and freezing being
> number two. Salt seems to just eat metal, and freezing water cracks
> open our roads. So salt and water get into tiny cracks and start the
> wonderful recycling process.
Frequent washing in the winter is essential. I bring my car to a Delta
Sonic (Automatic car wash) once weekly in the winter to remove salt and
dirt from the underbody.
And before Winter, make sure you have a good, solid coat of wax on the car.
Including the door jams and wheel wells. The wax will keep the water from
penetrating.
I just got rid of a 97 Dodge Caravan. The only rust on the body was in the
back right corner, where there was a dent and removed paint years ago. The
rest of the car looked like new.
--
Joseph M. LaVigne
jlavigne@hits-buffalo.com
http://www.thelavignefamily.us/MyPipePages/ - 8/19/2006 1:31:13 AM
Tobacconist Brick and Mortar Database: http://bam.tobaccocellar.org/
Man is the best computer we can put aboard a spacecraft ... and the only
one that can be mass produced with unskilled labor.
--Wernher von Braun
> On Fri, 18 Aug 2006 01:52:18 +0000 (UTC), "TeGGeR®"
> <tegger@tegger.c0m> wrote:
>
>>NomoreRGS <fishman@fish.net> wrote in
>>news:cp4ae21o8tj9dt5rtbcmrf1iglhs16oijj@4ax.co m:
>>
>>> My 91Accord only started to show signs of rust here this year. In the
>>> last two months it finally came through. Two or three orange spots on
>>> the white paint on each side.
>>>
>>> Defect? I think not! I don't know of any car of this age without
>>> obvious rust.
>>
>>
>>
>>Mine. I have no rust at all. It's a '91 with 272,000 miles.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>> Most have heavy rust in some areas, others have rust
>>> through.
>>
>>
>>
>>That's because of two things:
>>1) Neglect, and
>>2) inadequate rustproofing.
>
>
> I'm guessing here but I would think that several factors come into
> play, with salt being number one on the playlist and freezing being
> number two. Salt seems to just eat metal, and freezing water cracks
> open our roads. So salt and water get into tiny cracks and start the
> wonderful recycling process.
Frequent washing in the winter is essential. I bring my car to a Delta
Sonic (Automatic car wash) once weekly in the winter to remove salt and
dirt from the underbody.
And before Winter, make sure you have a good, solid coat of wax on the car.
Including the door jams and wheel wells. The wax will keep the water from
penetrating.
I just got rid of a 97 Dodge Caravan. The only rust on the body was in the
back right corner, where there was a dent and removed paint years ago. The
rest of the car looked like new.
--
Joseph M. LaVigne
jlavigne@hits-buffalo.com
http://www.thelavignefamily.us/MyPipePages/ - 8/19/2006 1:31:13 AM
Tobacconist Brick and Mortar Database: http://bam.tobaccocellar.org/
Man is the best computer we can put aboard a spacecraft ... and the only
one that can be mass produced with unskilled labor.
--Wernher von Braun
08-19-2006, 01:34 AM
#38
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Re: Rust in 91 Accord
On Fri, 18 Aug 2006 12:35:13 -0400, dgk wrote:
> On Fri, 18 Aug 2006 01:52:18 +0000 (UTC), "TeGGeR®"
> <tegger@tegger.c0m> wrote:
>
>>NomoreRGS <fishman@fish.net> wrote in
>>news:cp4ae21o8tj9dt5rtbcmrf1iglhs16oijj@4ax.co m:
>>
>>> My 91Accord only started to show signs of rust here this year. In the
>>> last two months it finally came through. Two or three orange spots on
>>> the white paint on each side.
>>>
>>> Defect? I think not! I don't know of any car of this age without
>>> obvious rust.
>>
>>
>>
>>Mine. I have no rust at all. It's a '91 with 272,000 miles.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>> Most have heavy rust in some areas, others have rust
>>> through.
>>
>>
>>
>>That's because of two things:
>>1) Neglect, and
>>2) inadequate rustproofing.
>
>
> I'm guessing here but I would think that several factors come into
> play, with salt being number one on the playlist and freezing being
> number two. Salt seems to just eat metal, and freezing water cracks
> open our roads. So salt and water get into tiny cracks and start the
> wonderful recycling process.
Frequent washing in the winter is essential. I bring my car to a Delta
Sonic (Automatic car wash) once weekly in the winter to remove salt and
dirt from the underbody.
And before Winter, make sure you have a good, solid coat of wax on the car.
Including the door jams and wheel wells. The wax will keep the water from
penetrating.
I just got rid of a 97 Dodge Caravan. The only rust on the body was in the
back right corner, where there was a dent and removed paint years ago. The
rest of the car looked like new.
--
Joseph M. LaVigne
jlavigne@hits-buffalo.com
http://www.thelavignefamily.us/MyPipePages/ - 8/19/2006 1:31:13 AM
Tobacconist Brick and Mortar Database: http://bam.tobaccocellar.org/
Man is the best computer we can put aboard a spacecraft ... and the only
one that can be mass produced with unskilled labor.
--Wernher von Braun
> On Fri, 18 Aug 2006 01:52:18 +0000 (UTC), "TeGGeR®"
> <tegger@tegger.c0m> wrote:
>
>>NomoreRGS <fishman@fish.net> wrote in
>>news:cp4ae21o8tj9dt5rtbcmrf1iglhs16oijj@4ax.co m:
>>
>>> My 91Accord only started to show signs of rust here this year. In the
>>> last two months it finally came through. Two or three orange spots on
>>> the white paint on each side.
>>>
>>> Defect? I think not! I don't know of any car of this age without
>>> obvious rust.
>>
>>
>>
>>Mine. I have no rust at all. It's a '91 with 272,000 miles.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>> Most have heavy rust in some areas, others have rust
>>> through.
>>
>>
>>
>>That's because of two things:
>>1) Neglect, and
>>2) inadequate rustproofing.
>
>
> I'm guessing here but I would think that several factors come into
> play, with salt being number one on the playlist and freezing being
> number two. Salt seems to just eat metal, and freezing water cracks
> open our roads. So salt and water get into tiny cracks and start the
> wonderful recycling process.
Frequent washing in the winter is essential. I bring my car to a Delta
Sonic (Automatic car wash) once weekly in the winter to remove salt and
dirt from the underbody.
And before Winter, make sure you have a good, solid coat of wax on the car.
Including the door jams and wheel wells. The wax will keep the water from
penetrating.
I just got rid of a 97 Dodge Caravan. The only rust on the body was in the
back right corner, where there was a dent and removed paint years ago. The
rest of the car looked like new.
--
Joseph M. LaVigne
jlavigne@hits-buffalo.com
http://www.thelavignefamily.us/MyPipePages/ - 8/19/2006 1:31:13 AM
Tobacconist Brick and Mortar Database: http://bam.tobaccocellar.org/
Man is the best computer we can put aboard a spacecraft ... and the only
one that can be mass produced with unskilled labor.
--Wernher von Braun
08-19-2006, 12:52 PM
#39
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Re: Rust in 91 Accord
dgk wrote:
> On Fri, 18 Aug 2006 01:52:18 +0000 (UTC), "TeGGeR®"
> <tegger@tegger.c0m> wrote:
>
>> NomoreRGS <fishman@fish.net> wrote in
>> news:cp4ae21o8tj9dt5rtbcmrf1iglhs16oijj@4ax.com:
>>
>>> My 91Accord only started to show signs of rust here this year. In
>>> the last two months it finally came through. Two or three orange
>>> spots on the white paint on each side.
>>>
>>> Defect? I think not! I don't know of any car of this age without
>>> obvious rust.
>>
>>
>>
>> Mine. I have no rust at all. It's a '91 with 272,000 miles.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>> Most have heavy rust in some areas, others have rust
>>> through.
>>
>>
>>
>> That's because of two things:
>> 1) Neglect, and
>> 2) inadequate rustproofing.
>
>
> I'm guessing here but I would think that several factors come into
> play, with salt being number one on the playlist and freezing being
> number two. Salt seems to just eat metal, and freezing water cracks
> open our roads. So salt and water get into tiny cracks and start the
> wonderful recycling process.
>
> What is odd about what I've observed with the Accord is that I don't
> see that damage on the front wheelwells, and those are going to get
> the same amount of crud as the rears. That's why I figured that those
> rear wells are a weak spot.
>
> When I first got the Accord, I paid a body shop around $300 to kill
> the rust that I saw. The guy was honest though and said that it would
> delay the rust but that it really wasn't possible to cure it without
> spending much more.
There was a recall of earlier accords due to premature rusting of the front
wheel wells that had something to do with the sound dampening in them and
the way they held moisture. They must have done a good job fixing the
problem.
My old '79 hatchback got 2 new fenders and a paint job for free.
Also, some areas do not have the environmental extremes that others do.
California seems to be a haven for classic cars.......
> On Fri, 18 Aug 2006 01:52:18 +0000 (UTC), "TeGGeR®"
> <tegger@tegger.c0m> wrote:
>
>> NomoreRGS <fishman@fish.net> wrote in
>> news:cp4ae21o8tj9dt5rtbcmrf1iglhs16oijj@4ax.com:
>>
>>> My 91Accord only started to show signs of rust here this year. In
>>> the last two months it finally came through. Two or three orange
>>> spots on the white paint on each side.
>>>
>>> Defect? I think not! I don't know of any car of this age without
>>> obvious rust.
>>
>>
>>
>> Mine. I have no rust at all. It's a '91 with 272,000 miles.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>> Most have heavy rust in some areas, others have rust
>>> through.
>>
>>
>>
>> That's because of two things:
>> 1) Neglect, and
>> 2) inadequate rustproofing.
>
>
> I'm guessing here but I would think that several factors come into
> play, with salt being number one on the playlist and freezing being
> number two. Salt seems to just eat metal, and freezing water cracks
> open our roads. So salt and water get into tiny cracks and start the
> wonderful recycling process.
>
> What is odd about what I've observed with the Accord is that I don't
> see that damage on the front wheelwells, and those are going to get
> the same amount of crud as the rears. That's why I figured that those
> rear wells are a weak spot.
>
> When I first got the Accord, I paid a body shop around $300 to kill
> the rust that I saw. The guy was honest though and said that it would
> delay the rust but that it really wasn't possible to cure it without
> spending much more.
There was a recall of earlier accords due to premature rusting of the front
wheel wells that had something to do with the sound dampening in them and
the way they held moisture. They must have done a good job fixing the
problem.
My old '79 hatchback got 2 new fenders and a paint job for free.
Also, some areas do not have the environmental extremes that others do.
California seems to be a haven for classic cars.......
08-19-2006, 12:52 PM
#40
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Posts: n/a
Re: Rust in 91 Accord
dgk wrote:
> On Fri, 18 Aug 2006 01:52:18 +0000 (UTC), "TeGGeR®"
> <tegger@tegger.c0m> wrote:
>
>> NomoreRGS <fishman@fish.net> wrote in
>> news:cp4ae21o8tj9dt5rtbcmrf1iglhs16oijj@4ax.com:
>>
>>> My 91Accord only started to show signs of rust here this year. In
>>> the last two months it finally came through. Two or three orange
>>> spots on the white paint on each side.
>>>
>>> Defect? I think not! I don't know of any car of this age without
>>> obvious rust.
>>
>>
>>
>> Mine. I have no rust at all. It's a '91 with 272,000 miles.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>> Most have heavy rust in some areas, others have rust
>>> through.
>>
>>
>>
>> That's because of two things:
>> 1) Neglect, and
>> 2) inadequate rustproofing.
>
>
> I'm guessing here but I would think that several factors come into
> play, with salt being number one on the playlist and freezing being
> number two. Salt seems to just eat metal, and freezing water cracks
> open our roads. So salt and water get into tiny cracks and start the
> wonderful recycling process.
>
> What is odd about what I've observed with the Accord is that I don't
> see that damage on the front wheelwells, and those are going to get
> the same amount of crud as the rears. That's why I figured that those
> rear wells are a weak spot.
>
> When I first got the Accord, I paid a body shop around $300 to kill
> the rust that I saw. The guy was honest though and said that it would
> delay the rust but that it really wasn't possible to cure it without
> spending much more.
There was a recall of earlier accords due to premature rusting of the front
wheel wells that had something to do with the sound dampening in them and
the way they held moisture. They must have done a good job fixing the
problem.
My old '79 hatchback got 2 new fenders and a paint job for free.
Also, some areas do not have the environmental extremes that others do.
California seems to be a haven for classic cars.......
> On Fri, 18 Aug 2006 01:52:18 +0000 (UTC), "TeGGeR®"
> <tegger@tegger.c0m> wrote:
>
>> NomoreRGS <fishman@fish.net> wrote in
>> news:cp4ae21o8tj9dt5rtbcmrf1iglhs16oijj@4ax.com:
>>
>>> My 91Accord only started to show signs of rust here this year. In
>>> the last two months it finally came through. Two or three orange
>>> spots on the white paint on each side.
>>>
>>> Defect? I think not! I don't know of any car of this age without
>>> obvious rust.
>>
>>
>>
>> Mine. I have no rust at all. It's a '91 with 272,000 miles.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>> Most have heavy rust in some areas, others have rust
>>> through.
>>
>>
>>
>> That's because of two things:
>> 1) Neglect, and
>> 2) inadequate rustproofing.
>
>
> I'm guessing here but I would think that several factors come into
> play, with salt being number one on the playlist and freezing being
> number two. Salt seems to just eat metal, and freezing water cracks
> open our roads. So salt and water get into tiny cracks and start the
> wonderful recycling process.
>
> What is odd about what I've observed with the Accord is that I don't
> see that damage on the front wheelwells, and those are going to get
> the same amount of crud as the rears. That's why I figured that those
> rear wells are a weak spot.
>
> When I first got the Accord, I paid a body shop around $300 to kill
> the rust that I saw. The guy was honest though and said that it would
> delay the rust but that it really wasn't possible to cure it without
> spending much more.
There was a recall of earlier accords due to premature rusting of the front
wheel wells that had something to do with the sound dampening in them and
the way they held moisture. They must have done a good job fixing the
problem.
My old '79 hatchback got 2 new fenders and a paint job for free.
Also, some areas do not have the environmental extremes that others do.
California seems to be a haven for classic cars.......
08-19-2006, 12:52 PM
#41
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Re: Rust in 91 Accord
dgk wrote:
> On Fri, 18 Aug 2006 01:52:18 +0000 (UTC), "TeGGeR®"
> <tegger@tegger.c0m> wrote:
>
>> NomoreRGS <fishman@fish.net> wrote in
>> news:cp4ae21o8tj9dt5rtbcmrf1iglhs16oijj@4ax.com:
>>
>>> My 91Accord only started to show signs of rust here this year. In
>>> the last two months it finally came through. Two or three orange
>>> spots on the white paint on each side.
>>>
>>> Defect? I think not! I don't know of any car of this age without
>>> obvious rust.
>>
>>
>>
>> Mine. I have no rust at all. It's a '91 with 272,000 miles.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>> Most have heavy rust in some areas, others have rust
>>> through.
>>
>>
>>
>> That's because of two things:
>> 1) Neglect, and
>> 2) inadequate rustproofing.
>
>
> I'm guessing here but I would think that several factors come into
> play, with salt being number one on the playlist and freezing being
> number two. Salt seems to just eat metal, and freezing water cracks
> open our roads. So salt and water get into tiny cracks and start the
> wonderful recycling process.
>
> What is odd about what I've observed with the Accord is that I don't
> see that damage on the front wheelwells, and those are going to get
> the same amount of crud as the rears. That's why I figured that those
> rear wells are a weak spot.
>
> When I first got the Accord, I paid a body shop around $300 to kill
> the rust that I saw. The guy was honest though and said that it would
> delay the rust but that it really wasn't possible to cure it without
> spending much more.
There was a recall of earlier accords due to premature rusting of the front
wheel wells that had something to do with the sound dampening in them and
the way they held moisture. They must have done a good job fixing the
problem.
My old '79 hatchback got 2 new fenders and a paint job for free.
Also, some areas do not have the environmental extremes that others do.
California seems to be a haven for classic cars.......
> On Fri, 18 Aug 2006 01:52:18 +0000 (UTC), "TeGGeR®"
> <tegger@tegger.c0m> wrote:
>
>> NomoreRGS <fishman@fish.net> wrote in
>> news:cp4ae21o8tj9dt5rtbcmrf1iglhs16oijj@4ax.com:
>>
>>> My 91Accord only started to show signs of rust here this year. In
>>> the last two months it finally came through. Two or three orange
>>> spots on the white paint on each side.
>>>
>>> Defect? I think not! I don't know of any car of this age without
>>> obvious rust.
>>
>>
>>
>> Mine. I have no rust at all. It's a '91 with 272,000 miles.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>> Most have heavy rust in some areas, others have rust
>>> through.
>>
>>
>>
>> That's because of two things:
>> 1) Neglect, and
>> 2) inadequate rustproofing.
>
>
> I'm guessing here but I would think that several factors come into
> play, with salt being number one on the playlist and freezing being
> number two. Salt seems to just eat metal, and freezing water cracks
> open our roads. So salt and water get into tiny cracks and start the
> wonderful recycling process.
>
> What is odd about what I've observed with the Accord is that I don't
> see that damage on the front wheelwells, and those are going to get
> the same amount of crud as the rears. That's why I figured that those
> rear wells are a weak spot.
>
> When I first got the Accord, I paid a body shop around $300 to kill
> the rust that I saw. The guy was honest though and said that it would
> delay the rust but that it really wasn't possible to cure it without
> spending much more.
There was a recall of earlier accords due to premature rusting of the front
wheel wells that had something to do with the sound dampening in them and
the way they held moisture. They must have done a good job fixing the
problem.
My old '79 hatchback got 2 new fenders and a paint job for free.
Also, some areas do not have the environmental extremes that others do.
California seems to be a haven for classic cars.......
08-19-2006, 12:52 PM
#42
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Re: Rust in 91 Accord
dgk wrote:
> On Fri, 18 Aug 2006 01:52:18 +0000 (UTC), "TeGGeR®"
> <tegger@tegger.c0m> wrote:
>
>> NomoreRGS <fishman@fish.net> wrote in
>> news:cp4ae21o8tj9dt5rtbcmrf1iglhs16oijj@4ax.com:
>>
>>> My 91Accord only started to show signs of rust here this year. In
>>> the last two months it finally came through. Two or three orange
>>> spots on the white paint on each side.
>>>
>>> Defect? I think not! I don't know of any car of this age without
>>> obvious rust.
>>
>>
>>
>> Mine. I have no rust at all. It's a '91 with 272,000 miles.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>> Most have heavy rust in some areas, others have rust
>>> through.
>>
>>
>>
>> That's because of two things:
>> 1) Neglect, and
>> 2) inadequate rustproofing.
>
>
> I'm guessing here but I would think that several factors come into
> play, with salt being number one on the playlist and freezing being
> number two. Salt seems to just eat metal, and freezing water cracks
> open our roads. So salt and water get into tiny cracks and start the
> wonderful recycling process.
>
> What is odd about what I've observed with the Accord is that I don't
> see that damage on the front wheelwells, and those are going to get
> the same amount of crud as the rears. That's why I figured that those
> rear wells are a weak spot.
>
> When I first got the Accord, I paid a body shop around $300 to kill
> the rust that I saw. The guy was honest though and said that it would
> delay the rust but that it really wasn't possible to cure it without
> spending much more.
There was a recall of earlier accords due to premature rusting of the front
wheel wells that had something to do with the sound dampening in them and
the way they held moisture. They must have done a good job fixing the
problem.
My old '79 hatchback got 2 new fenders and a paint job for free.
Also, some areas do not have the environmental extremes that others do.
California seems to be a haven for classic cars.......
> On Fri, 18 Aug 2006 01:52:18 +0000 (UTC), "TeGGeR®"
> <tegger@tegger.c0m> wrote:
>
>> NomoreRGS <fishman@fish.net> wrote in
>> news:cp4ae21o8tj9dt5rtbcmrf1iglhs16oijj@4ax.com:
>>
>>> My 91Accord only started to show signs of rust here this year. In
>>> the last two months it finally came through. Two or three orange
>>> spots on the white paint on each side.
>>>
>>> Defect? I think not! I don't know of any car of this age without
>>> obvious rust.
>>
>>
>>
>> Mine. I have no rust at all. It's a '91 with 272,000 miles.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>> Most have heavy rust in some areas, others have rust
>>> through.
>>
>>
>>
>> That's because of two things:
>> 1) Neglect, and
>> 2) inadequate rustproofing.
>
>
> I'm guessing here but I would think that several factors come into
> play, with salt being number one on the playlist and freezing being
> number two. Salt seems to just eat metal, and freezing water cracks
> open our roads. So salt and water get into tiny cracks and start the
> wonderful recycling process.
>
> What is odd about what I've observed with the Accord is that I don't
> see that damage on the front wheelwells, and those are going to get
> the same amount of crud as the rears. That's why I figured that those
> rear wells are a weak spot.
>
> When I first got the Accord, I paid a body shop around $300 to kill
> the rust that I saw. The guy was honest though and said that it would
> delay the rust but that it really wasn't possible to cure it without
> spending much more.
There was a recall of earlier accords due to premature rusting of the front
wheel wells that had something to do with the sound dampening in them and
the way they held moisture. They must have done a good job fixing the
problem.
My old '79 hatchback got 2 new fenders and a paint job for free.
Also, some areas do not have the environmental extremes that others do.
California seems to be a haven for classic cars.......
08-21-2006, 08:52 AM
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Re: Rust in 91 Accord
Grumpy AuContraire <Grumpster@GrumpyvilleNOT.com> wrote in
news:44E69826.F515090A@GrumpyvilleNOT.com:
>
>
> "TeGGeR®" wrote:
>>
>> dgk <dgk@somewhere.com> wrote in
>> news:f7qbe217crrd634osrvj943bboibl61b11@4ax.com:
>>
>> > On Fri, 18 Aug 2006 01:52:18 +0000 (UTC), "TeGGeR®"
>> > <tegger@tegger.c0m> wrote:
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > I'm guessing here but I would think that several factors come into
>> > play, with salt being number one on the playlist and freezing being
>> > number two. Salt seems to just eat metal, and freezing water cracks
>> > open our roads. So salt and water get into tiny cracks and start
>> > the wonderful recycling process.
>>
>> Sort of. But freezing has nothing to do with it. With concrete, yes.
>> With cars, no.
>>
>
>
> Ahhhhh... But every freezing cycle causes water to expand and any
> that becomes trapped tends to slowly take metal parts apart only to
> allow more water to enter and the cycle repeats itself.
I suppose so, but the mere presence of water is enough. Water in the
pinchwelds takes ages to evaporate, so all that oxygen has all the time in
the world to munch away at your metal.
In fact, rust occurs when the water is NOT frozen.
--
TeGGeR®
The Unofficial Honda/Acura FAQ
www.tegger.com/hondafaq/
news:44E69826.F515090A@GrumpyvilleNOT.com:
>
>
> "TeGGeR®" wrote:
>>
>> dgk <dgk@somewhere.com> wrote in
>> news:f7qbe217crrd634osrvj943bboibl61b11@4ax.com:
>>
>> > On Fri, 18 Aug 2006 01:52:18 +0000 (UTC), "TeGGeR®"
>> > <tegger@tegger.c0m> wrote:
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > I'm guessing here but I would think that several factors come into
>> > play, with salt being number one on the playlist and freezing being
>> > number two. Salt seems to just eat metal, and freezing water cracks
>> > open our roads. So salt and water get into tiny cracks and start
>> > the wonderful recycling process.
>>
>> Sort of. But freezing has nothing to do with it. With concrete, yes.
>> With cars, no.
>>
>
>
> Ahhhhh... But every freezing cycle causes water to expand and any
> that becomes trapped tends to slowly take metal parts apart only to
> allow more water to enter and the cycle repeats itself.
I suppose so, but the mere presence of water is enough. Water in the
pinchwelds takes ages to evaporate, so all that oxygen has all the time in
the world to munch away at your metal.
In fact, rust occurs when the water is NOT frozen.
--
TeGGeR®
The Unofficial Honda/Acura FAQ
www.tegger.com/hondafaq/
08-21-2006, 08:52 AM
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Re: Rust in 91 Accord
Grumpy AuContraire <Grumpster@GrumpyvilleNOT.com> wrote in
news:44E69826.F515090A@GrumpyvilleNOT.com:
>
>
> "TeGGeR®" wrote:
>>
>> dgk <dgk@somewhere.com> wrote in
>> news:f7qbe217crrd634osrvj943bboibl61b11@4ax.com:
>>
>> > On Fri, 18 Aug 2006 01:52:18 +0000 (UTC), "TeGGeR®"
>> > <tegger@tegger.c0m> wrote:
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > I'm guessing here but I would think that several factors come into
>> > play, with salt being number one on the playlist and freezing being
>> > number two. Salt seems to just eat metal, and freezing water cracks
>> > open our roads. So salt and water get into tiny cracks and start
>> > the wonderful recycling process.
>>
>> Sort of. But freezing has nothing to do with it. With concrete, yes.
>> With cars, no.
>>
>
>
> Ahhhhh... But every freezing cycle causes water to expand and any
> that becomes trapped tends to slowly take metal parts apart only to
> allow more water to enter and the cycle repeats itself.
I suppose so, but the mere presence of water is enough. Water in the
pinchwelds takes ages to evaporate, so all that oxygen has all the time in
the world to munch away at your metal.
In fact, rust occurs when the water is NOT frozen.
--
TeGGeR®
The Unofficial Honda/Acura FAQ
www.tegger.com/hondafaq/
news:44E69826.F515090A@GrumpyvilleNOT.com:
>
>
> "TeGGeR®" wrote:
>>
>> dgk <dgk@somewhere.com> wrote in
>> news:f7qbe217crrd634osrvj943bboibl61b11@4ax.com:
>>
>> > On Fri, 18 Aug 2006 01:52:18 +0000 (UTC), "TeGGeR®"
>> > <tegger@tegger.c0m> wrote:
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > I'm guessing here but I would think that several factors come into
>> > play, with salt being number one on the playlist and freezing being
>> > number two. Salt seems to just eat metal, and freezing water cracks
>> > open our roads. So salt and water get into tiny cracks and start
>> > the wonderful recycling process.
>>
>> Sort of. But freezing has nothing to do with it. With concrete, yes.
>> With cars, no.
>>
>
>
> Ahhhhh... But every freezing cycle causes water to expand and any
> that becomes trapped tends to slowly take metal parts apart only to
> allow more water to enter and the cycle repeats itself.
I suppose so, but the mere presence of water is enough. Water in the
pinchwelds takes ages to evaporate, so all that oxygen has all the time in
the world to munch away at your metal.
In fact, rust occurs when the water is NOT frozen.
--
TeGGeR®
The Unofficial Honda/Acura FAQ
www.tegger.com/hondafaq/
08-21-2006, 08:52 AM
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Re: Rust in 91 Accord
Grumpy AuContraire <Grumpster@GrumpyvilleNOT.com> wrote in
news:44E69826.F515090A@GrumpyvilleNOT.com:
>
>
> "TeGGeR®" wrote:
>>
>> dgk <dgk@somewhere.com> wrote in
>> news:f7qbe217crrd634osrvj943bboibl61b11@4ax.com:
>>
>> > On Fri, 18 Aug 2006 01:52:18 +0000 (UTC), "TeGGeR®"
>> > <tegger@tegger.c0m> wrote:
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > I'm guessing here but I would think that several factors come into
>> > play, with salt being number one on the playlist and freezing being
>> > number two. Salt seems to just eat metal, and freezing water cracks
>> > open our roads. So salt and water get into tiny cracks and start
>> > the wonderful recycling process.
>>
>> Sort of. But freezing has nothing to do with it. With concrete, yes.
>> With cars, no.
>>
>
>
> Ahhhhh... But every freezing cycle causes water to expand and any
> that becomes trapped tends to slowly take metal parts apart only to
> allow more water to enter and the cycle repeats itself.
I suppose so, but the mere presence of water is enough. Water in the
pinchwelds takes ages to evaporate, so all that oxygen has all the time in
the world to munch away at your metal.
In fact, rust occurs when the water is NOT frozen.
--
TeGGeR®
The Unofficial Honda/Acura FAQ
www.tegger.com/hondafaq/
news:44E69826.F515090A@GrumpyvilleNOT.com:
>
>
> "TeGGeR®" wrote:
>>
>> dgk <dgk@somewhere.com> wrote in
>> news:f7qbe217crrd634osrvj943bboibl61b11@4ax.com:
>>
>> > On Fri, 18 Aug 2006 01:52:18 +0000 (UTC), "TeGGeR®"
>> > <tegger@tegger.c0m> wrote:
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > I'm guessing here but I would think that several factors come into
>> > play, with salt being number one on the playlist and freezing being
>> > number two. Salt seems to just eat metal, and freezing water cracks
>> > open our roads. So salt and water get into tiny cracks and start
>> > the wonderful recycling process.
>>
>> Sort of. But freezing has nothing to do with it. With concrete, yes.
>> With cars, no.
>>
>
>
> Ahhhhh... But every freezing cycle causes water to expand and any
> that becomes trapped tends to slowly take metal parts apart only to
> allow more water to enter and the cycle repeats itself.
I suppose so, but the mere presence of water is enough. Water in the
pinchwelds takes ages to evaporate, so all that oxygen has all the time in
the world to munch away at your metal.
In fact, rust occurs when the water is NOT frozen.
--
TeGGeR®
The Unofficial Honda/Acura FAQ
www.tegger.com/hondafaq/